October 30, 20204 yr Seems that Mavrek and Krueger are run by the same guy - Bobby Krueger. Both outfits appear to put out impressive projects. This is a very exciting vision for that dead space along W25th. This is great.
October 30, 20204 yr 36 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said: Seems that Mavrek and Krueger are run by the same guy - Bobby Krueger. Both outfits appear to put out impressive projects. This is a very exciting vision for that dead space along W25th. This is great. Yes, and he moved back to Cleveland. So even though he runs both companies (one in Chicago, one here), he lives here. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 30, 20204 yr Cool projects, but of course Chicago commands higher rents so developers can invest more in their buildings.
October 31, 20204 yr 19 hours ago, mtnbikefan said: Cool projects, but of course Chicago commands higher rents so developers can invest more in their buildings. Columbus rent on average is dramatically cheaper than ours by comparison but they still have higher quality builds than us.
October 31, 20204 yr ^ Still with this “Columbus has better build than us” stuff? As I’ve said before, it’s not true. Anyone can cherry pick certain projects in Cleveland that are bad and compare them to good projects in Columbus. Overall, both cities have some good projects and some bad. Columbus doesn’t have a Beacon and a Lumen. At least, not yet. I’m very happy with most of the new build and rehabs in Tremont and think they can compare with anywhere else in the state.
October 31, 20204 yr 20 minutes ago, X said: And it's off topic, at any rate. Edited to be more Tremont centric.
November 14, 20204 yr Saw this ad on my FB feed: https://www.facebook.com/220062825997454/posts/287011775969225/?d=n
November 15, 20204 yr Looks like the "Taps & Tails" project mentioned several pages upthread has a recent update: Quote Barking News! Construction is back on schedule and we are HIRING!! Taps & Tails is looking for dog loving Bartenders and Bark Rangers to join our pack at Cleveland’s first dog park! Job descriptions and applications can be found under our Career tab on our website: www.tapsandtailsdogbar.com If you have already expressed interest and emailed us with your information, we will be reaching out to you shortly! Cheers! https://www.facebook.com/TapsandTails/photos/a.321001439286174/412305210155796/
November 16, 20204 yr On 11/14/2020 at 3:15 PM, MuRrAy HiLL said: Saw this ad on my FB feed: https://www.facebook.com/220062825997454/posts/287011775969225/?d=n Just wanted to let you know that the link is NOT working...
November 16, 20204 yr 7 hours ago, Larry1962 said: Just wanted to let you know that the link is NOT working... It was for Electric Gardens and showed a rooftop rendering with the skyline in the distance.
November 21, 20204 yr For easier viewing.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 24, 20204 yr On 7/20/2020 at 11:05 PM, KJP said: Thanks again to @tykaps! MONDAY, JULY 20, 2020 West Side gem may sparkle again as Arch at St. Michaels Considered by some historic preservationists as one of the rare architectural gems on the city's West Side, St. Michael School is in the hands of local interests seeking to restore the luster to this weathered jewel. The five-story school building with its statues of saints and other ornaments was threatened with demolition when the property fell into foreclosure nearly three years ago. But last year, a group of investors acquired the property at 3146 Scranton Rd. to save and restore the building. The group, led by SoTre Properties' Managing Partner Eric Lutzo along with Kim F. Bixenstine and her husband Bart. Lutzo of Shaker Heights, engaged CHN Housing Partners of Cleveland to purchase and redevelop the site. Hiti, DiFrancesco & Siebold, Inc. of Cleveland is the project's architect. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/07/west-side-gem-may-sparkle-again-as-arch.html This project should appear on Design-Review by Christmas. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 2, 20204 yr I just can’t take these people seriously, because they never propose a viable alternative...that is if they propose anything at all 🙄 Someone can cross post this in Cudell if they want but I’m too lazy 🙃
December 2, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, Enginerd said: I just can’t take these people seriously, because they never propose a viable alternative...that is if they propose anything at all 🙄 Someone can cross post this in Cudell if they want but I’m too lazy 🙃 so, just to put forward a slightly different POV. and I should posit that I don't agree with all the parking arguments made (although I think some Parking would be nice) nor do I think this debate merits some of the vitriol at city planners that I have seen/read. My concern about the project is that it looks like bland architecture. Not the kind where it is a challenging design and debate is natural. I get that. Aesthetics are subjective. But this just is like a blasé approach that doesn't speak to anything whatsoever. This feels especially like a lost opportunity given the investment nearby in historic buildings and new construction. I just get the sense that this design fails to exceed any minimum threshold standards for quality design and placemaking. More density is a very worthwhile goal, but only in the context of a quality project that enhances the street life. While the building might hold the corner in form, where are the first floor uses and entrances that help it feel more welcoming. Does this height compliment the existing historic church? While it is very reasonable to disagree on any of these points, or an aesthetic issue, can anyone really state this rendering represents anything remotely aspirational about the future of the neighborhood? Is the absence of parking an excuse to not have to come up with an aspirational design? If so, Planning should make that more clear. I feel like that is exactly, whether intentional or unintentional, what the various oversight boards and planners who have green-lighted this are saying Tremont should be past the point of just accepting any project because we are woebegotten Cleveland and grateful for the investment. There's no reason why it can't ask for something more challenging and thoughtful and that 50 years from now will hold up to scrutiny
December 2, 20204 yr 54 minutes ago, misterjoshr said: so, just to put forward a slightly different POV. and I should posit that I don't agree with all the parking arguments made (although I think some Parking would be nice) nor do I think this debate merits some of the vitriol at city planners that I have seen/read. My concern about the project is that it looks like bland architecture. Not the kind where it is a challenging design and debate is natural. I get that. Aesthetics are subjective. But this just is like a blasé approach that doesn't speak to anything whatsoever. This feels especially like a lost opportunity given the investment nearby in historic buildings and new construction. I just get the sense that this design fails to exceed any minimum threshold standards for quality design and placemaking. More density is a very worthwhile goal, but only in the context of a quality project that enhances the street life. While the building might hold the corner in form, where are the first floor uses and entrances that help it feel more welcoming. Does this height compliment the existing historic church? While it is very reasonable to disagree on any of these points, or an aesthetic issue, can anyone really state this rendering represents anything remotely aspirational about the future of the neighborhood? Is the absence of parking an excuse to not have to come up with an aspirational design? If so, Planning should make that more clear. I feel like that is exactly, whether intentional or unintentional, what the various oversight boards and planners who have green-lighted this are saying Tremont should be past the point of just accepting any project because we are woebegotten Cleveland and grateful for the investment. There's no reason why it can't ask for something more challenging and thoughtful and that 50 years from now will hold up to scrutiny I think argument over design is always okay, especially with different tastes. My question to you is what style/design do you think is more appropriate for the West Blvd. structure? I personally think at the very least this structure won't stick out in the neighborhood and fits in well with the design of the other West. Blvd homes on that stretch, and on the other end will also increase density.
December 2, 20204 yr I was only referring to the Tremont Plan. Not familiar enough w/ the context on West Blvd
December 2, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, misterjoshr said: I was only referring to the Tremont Plan. Not familiar enough w/ the context on West Blvd Ahhhh. Got it.
December 18, 20204 yr Moving this to the correct neighborhood thread: 44 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said: Plans for the Mavrek development. It’s hard to keep track of all the projects going on. https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2020/12/chicago-by-way-of-cleveland-developers-plan-170-new-apartments-between-tremont-ohio-city-neighborhoods.html This thing looks great! "CLEVELAND, Ohio — A trio of Cleveland natives who run a Chicago development company are plotting their first inroads into the local market with plans to build 171 new apartments between the Tremont and Ohio City neighborhoods. Renderings provided to cleveland.com and The Plain Dealer show that the project, which Mavrek dubbed “TREO,” would include a five-story, 150,000-square-foot building that wraps around a courtyard. The ground floor of the building facing West 25th Street will have room for commercial space, which fellow Mavrek Principal Bobby Krueger said could house a café or minute medical clinic." "The renderings also include what would be new city street that connects West 25th Street and West 20th Street, which aligns with Swift Avenue and Moltke Court. Friedberg said the developers plan to build two underground parking levels." Great quote from developer Friedberg: “I had grown up going downtown [Cleveland] and envisioning adding a building to the skyline,” Friedberg, 32, said. “I’m not doing that quite yet. This is the first part of that journey.” View of southwest corner from West 25th: View from the south - West 25th on the left, West 20th along the right, new connector street in the foreground. Downtown skyline would be top right of this image. View from the northeast (downtown directly behind you from this perspective). Looks like there's a resident common area patio in the northeast corner of the top floor with the best views - that's a nice touch. For reference, here's what that stretch looks like now: https://goo.gl/maps/jCXTi37uhSpLpVR67 https://goo.gl/maps/RwDQ9BpxtDPSxTn49 When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
December 18, 20204 yr 7 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Moving this to the correct neighborhood thread: This thing looks great! "CLEVELAND, Ohio — A trio of Cleveland natives who run a Chicago development company are plotting their first inroads into the local market with plans to build 171 new apartments between the Tremont and Ohio City neighborhoods. Renderings provided to cleveland.com and The Plain Dealer show that the project, which Mavrek dubbed “TREO,” would include a five-story, 150,000-square-foot building that wraps around a courtyard. The ground floor of the building facing West 25th Street will have room for commercial space, which fellow Mavrek Principal Bobby Krueger said could house a café or minute medical clinic." "The renderings also include what would be new city street that connects West 25th Street and West 20th Street, which aligns with Swift Avenue and Moltke Court. Friedberg said the developers plan to build two underground parking levels." Great quote from developer Friedberg: “I had grown up going downtown [Cleveland] and envisioning adding a building to the skyline,” Friedberg, 32, said. “I’m not doing that quite yet. This is the first part of that journey.” View of southwest corner from West 25th: View from the south - West 25th on the left, West 20th along the right, new connector street in the foreground. Downtown skyline would be top right of this image. View from the northeast (downtown directly behind you from this perspective). Looks like there's a resident common area patio in the northeast corner of the top floor with the best views - that's a nice touch. For reference, here's what that stretch looks like now: https://goo.gl/maps/jCXTi37uhSpLpVR67 https://goo.gl/maps/RwDQ9BpxtDPSxTn49 Much better looking than much of the four and five story apartment buildings being proposed all over town.
December 18, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, Htsguy said: Much better looking than much of the four and five story apartment buildings being proposed all over town. Looks like a @misterjoshr building. I like it.
December 18, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, math said: Is the Porco building coming down too? No, this is all north of Porco. That's a new road in the rendering, parallel to Potter (where Porco is). If you are looking at the map, the new road will align w Swift (at W25th) and Moltke Ct (at W 20th). The structures that would be demo'd will be that trashy tow truck building on W 25th and the three houses on the west side of W 20th (if they're even still there - I'm looking at streetview, but it might be out of date). When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
December 18, 20204 yr 7 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: No, this is all north of Porco. That's a new road in the rendering, parallel to Potter (where Porco is). If you are looking at the map, the new road will align w Swift (at W25th) and Moltke Ct (at W 20th). The structures that would be demo'd will be that trashy tow truck building on W 25th and the three houses on the west side of W 20th (if they're even still there - I'm looking at streetview, but it might be out of date). The trashy tow truck junk yard was recently demolished. Side note. Looking at Google earth, I always feel bad for that old building across the street that was rendered obsolete by the bridge. I suppose if you added a couple floors to it, and added a storefront space fronting 25th, it could be brought back to use. Edited December 18, 20204 yr by marty15
December 18, 20204 yr 45 minutes ago, marty15 said: The trashy tow truck junk yard was recently demolished. Side note. Looking at Google earth, I always feel bad for that old building across the street that was rendered obsolete by the bridge. I suppose if you added a couple floors to it, and added a storefront space fronting 25th, it could be brought back to use. There are plans for the old building across the street... Just hold tight, you'll see something for that building within the next few months
December 18, 20204 yr I have no idea what data people are looking at that supports all of this but who cares -- this looks great and is really exciting
December 18, 20204 yr That’s an interesting comment, nothing exceeds like excess I suppose. Edited December 18, 20204 yr by w28th
December 19, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, misterjoshr said: I have no idea what data people are looking at that supports all of this but who cares -- this looks great and is really exciting They're probably looking at the same data that's causing you to add more inventory, wouldn't ya think? 😉 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 19, 20204 yr I won’t deviate from the positive narrative — my bad. We never would have done more if we weren’t able to subsidize the rents with our funding. It is why we moved away from the market rate model. But I end up doing a lot of the tours etc so I may be too close to situation to be objective about the market. that all said this project looks great and if anyone could blow it out of the park, it this kind of project. It is super exciting, a very cool design and great for the neighborhood. Carry on!
December 19, 20204 yr As long as all levels of government subsidize suburban development and now exurban development, I don't mind competing against them by subsidizing urban redevelopment. If interested, we discuss it some more here: "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 19, 20204 yr This looks pretty good but I wish the W 25th St side had a more active streetfront.
December 20, 20204 yr Electric Gardens, Towpath Trail/Camp Cleveland and misc new construction update from my walk along the Towpath today. Lots of great stuff going on, and Electric Gardens especially is really progressing! I love the black textured facade and abundance of windows. This development is also a BEAST - it really takes up such a huge chunk of land and towpath frontage. I love it! Side note: even in today’s gross weather, there were still walkers, joggers and cyclists out on the towpath. It’s great to see people using and enjoying this asset year round, regardless of weather.
December 21, 20204 yr I'm so glad to see a new burst in activity in Tremont this past 2 years or so. After being the initial hot neighborhood it seemed like activity, especially in multifamily, slowed down tremendously as things moved up to OC/Detroit Shoreway. Now its come flooding back!
December 22, 20204 yr Overall, I like Electric Gardens. I like the massing and the color scheme. What I don't like are the groups of vertical stripes punctuating the facade at regular intervals. Vertical stripes like that look very 60's-70's dated to me.
December 22, 20204 yr 42 minutes ago, jeremyck01 said: Overall, I like Electric Gardens. I like the massing and the color scheme. What I don't like are the groups of vertical stripes punctuating the facade at regular intervals. Vertical stripes like that look very 60's-70's dated to me. Agreed. Reminds me of the old facade on the easternmost building of the Euclid Grand renovation.
December 23, 20204 yr On 12/20/2020 at 6:14 PM, urbanetics_ said: Electric Gardens, Towpath Trail/Camp Cleveland and misc new construction update from my walk along the Towpath today. Lots of great stuff going on, and Electric Gardens especially is really progressing! I love the black textured facade and abundance of windows. This development is also a BEAST - it really takes up such a huge chunk of land and towpath frontage. I love it! Side note: even in today’s gross weather, there were still walkers, joggers and cyclists out on the towpath. It’s great to see people using and enjoying this asset year round, regardless of weather. @urbanetics_Thanks for posting these - crazy how much the area is changing. Did it look like the Towpath bridge over Literary Road was close to completion? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 23, 20204 yr ^It appeared to be very close! I wouldn’t be surprised to see it opened sometime sooner than later.
January 4, 20214 yr This bridge is definitely in need of some TLC... https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2021/01/bridge-project-on-clevelands-west-side-over-i-90-to-limit-traffic-over-for-14-months.html
January 8, 20214 yr 1021 Starkweather (one home in an anticipated cluster of four on this site - 2 of them, including this, having been built so far) is now listed for sale. This one is on the back of the site, with the future homes to be built up front along the street:
January 10, 20214 yr Here are some photos from a construction tour at Electric Gardens yesterday! Something absolutely crazy is that despite the building still under construction and not even a model unit available to see yet, the building is already 30% leased!!🤯 This is fantastic, and hopefully will prove the strength of the Tremont / entire Cleveland market while also demonstrating the power that trail and public space investments have on neighborhood development. A few of my thoughts from the tour: Every single unit, regardless of size, layout, location, etc, feels incredibly bright and spacious. The tall ceilings (that are even taller on the first floor), massive windows, and abundance of light make for really welcoming spaces. While the select views of downtown are definitely showstoppers, I found the industrial valley and surrounding neighborhood views to be just as unique and beautiful. I also love the ingenuity in the studios. Rather than one open room, there is a designated bedroom area with a divider wall, ultimately that will feature a modern wooden panel divider and a swivel TV so you can adjust it to either face into the bedroom or the living area. Very very cool and a great use of space. The two outdoor rooftop decks provide some pretty epic views too, and the literal door-to-trail connection to the towpath just can’t be beat. What a fantastic addition to the neighborhood.
January 11, 20214 yr Are they going to open those flanges on the exterior insulation in the second-to-last Electric Gardens pic? Is that a pre-inspection thing?
January 13, 20214 yr Thanks @urbanetics_for fantastic pics. This development and the neighborhood, in general, with its wonderful towpath, will be extremely desirable to exactly those young professionals that Cleveland must attract as it competes with other mid market cities, particularly in the Midwest- but also nationally. I have two cousins, ages 30 and 34- both, within the last 6 months, have decided to relocate back to the Cleveland area after living in San Antonio and Oklahoma - one having served in the military. The draw of family was a motivating factor but Cleveland offered many inducements - cost of living, culture, big league sports. Those attractions, which we all recognize, combined with new, interesting and unique urban neighborhoods in places like Tremont and Ohio City, can keep Cleveland a strong contender in the competition for these younger professionals. Exciting to see the leasing progress at this early stage, for Electric Gardens - those units look way cool with some absolutely stellar views.
January 26, 20214 yr On 10/29/2020 at 6:57 PM, KJP said: THURSDAY, OCTOBER 29, 2020 Chicago developer buys land to kick-off a new neighborhood in Tremont A Chicago developer this week has acquired about one acre of land to construct a new multi-family building on a stretch of West 25th Street that's been in between places for a long time. But the project could trigger more investment that might make this section of Tremont's Lincoln Heights neighborhood an actual destination. Ultimately, according to long-range plans, this western edge of Tremont could add 650 housing units, several ground-floor commercial tenants, through streets, hiking/biking trails and public spaces. The site is just north of Nestle USA's L.J. Minor factory. At full buildout, the new community could spread across about 10 acres. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/10/chicago-developer-buys-land-to-kick-off.html The first application for a demolition permit for the above project was submitted today. It's for a house at 2488 W. 20th St. Will probably see more demo permits submitted in the coming days. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 27, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: The first application for a demolition permit for the above project was submitted today. It's for a house at 2488 W. 20th St. Will probably see more demo permits submitted in the coming days. That’s an older site plan, right? It doesn’t show the new street between 25th and 20th that was mentioned in the article on Dec 18 upthread. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
January 27, 20214 yr Yes, that was a guideplan by Tremont West Development Corporation. It wasn't a developer's project plan. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 28, 20214 yr Got out for a walk on the Towpath today. I think on a different site the Electric Gardens building would be a home run but the all-black exterior and scale ... it’s like Emperor Palpatine’s barge crash-landed in Tremont. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
March 1, 20214 yr ^I really dislike this giant dark bldg. It would have been so much nicer if they bulit it as two or three separate bldgs and perhaps done something creative in between them like a playground or park for either the public or just residents or something other than more black building that creates one giant wall.
March 1, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Pugu said: ^I really dislike this giant dark bldg. It would have been so much nicer if they bulit it as two or three separate bldgs and perhaps done something creative in between them like a playground or park for either the public or just residents or something other than more black building that creates one giant wall. It was originally planned as being mostly white. Apparently no one liked that either.
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