27 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

Wouldn't their grocery section compete with Heinens? 

Do small urban targets have much of a grocery section?  I don't know.  I never been in one.

22 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Do small urban targets have much of a grocery section?  I don't know.  I never been in one.

The ones I've been to in Boston have mostly been grocery stores. But they also varied in size. Some of them had limited grocery selection (the one by Boston University comes to mind). Others like the one in Fenway park and the North Quincy T station had a full grocery store. 

13 minutes ago, Kurtis said:

The ones I've been to in Boston have mostly been grocery stores. But they also varied in size. Some of them had limited grocery selection (the one by Boston University comes to mind). Others like the one in Fenway park and the North Quincy T station had a full grocery store. 

 

 

yes and also they are not always on the main drag, but kind of offset nearby.

 

i was thinking of one of the earliest city targets in u of m's dinkytown in mpls.

 

the nyc versions are not on main drag high streets either.

 

it seems they really are aiming at being there totally just for locals.

10 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

 

 

 

the nyc versions are not on main drag high streets either.

 

it seems they really are aiming at being there totally just for locals.

actually, aren't they? The nearest one to me is on 14th St and Ave A; there's one on 2nd Ave in Kips Bay; another on 3rd Ave around 70th on the Upper East Side; one across the street from Macy's on 34th St. (probably the largest one in NYC and very popular with tourists as well as locals). There's one across from the WTC, although a lot of people miss seeing it because that one is a little out of the main path on Greenwich St. (I think).  Isn't there one going in on the west side around Chelsea? I'm surprised there's not one there yet. Wherever they open they do great business. In fact, even during the peak pandemic days last year they were always busy. 

3 minutes ago, eastvillagedon said:

actually, aren't they? The nearest one to me is on 14th St and Ave A; there's one on 2nd Ave in Kips Bay; another on 3rd Ave around 70th on the Upper East Side; one across the street from Macy's on 34th St. (probably the largest one in NYC and very popular with tourists as well as locals). There's one across from the WTC, although a lot of people miss seeing it because that one is a little out of the main path on Greenwich St. (I think).  Isn't there one going in on the west side around Chelsea? I'm surprised there's not one there yet. Wherever they open they do great business. In fact, even during the peak pandemic days last year they were always busy. 

 

i dk which are which on all of them, they are popping up everywhere now. i was thinking of the one in tribeca, that i know is a city target -- nobody even knows its there. there is a city target grocery coming to union square too i heard, that will be pretty prime.

10 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

i dk which are which on all of them, they are popping up everywhere now. i was thinking of the one in tribeca, that i know is a city target -- nobody even knows its there. there is a city target grocery coming to union square too i heard, that will be pretty prime.

yeah, the Tribeca store is the one near the WTC. I think it was the first in Manhattan, and it is hard to find. But not as hard to find as the Marshall's located nearby, which is sort of hidden in a canyon on a virtual side street (in the shadow of 1 WTC, not far from that arts center you posted a pic of recently). I guess they really don't need customers lol

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

 

i dk which are which on all of them, they are popping up everywhere now. i was thinking of the one in tribeca, that i know is a city target -- nobody even knows its there. there is a city target grocery coming to union square too i heard, that will be pretty prime.

 

So if they're everywhere, we can have one at May Co. or Tower City and one at at the Huntington Bldg!  If we could only have one my vote would be at the Huntington Bldg--closer to more residents. far from the apts. in the Warehouse District, yes, but there is more residential density around 12/13 St and Euclid/Chester.

4 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

So if they're everywhere, we can have one at May Co. or Tower City and one at at the Huntington Bldg!  If we could only have one my vote would be at the Huntington Bldg--closer to more residents. far from the apts. in the Warehouse District, yes, but there is more residential density around 12/13 St and Euclid/Chester.

Isn’t the most condensed downtown population in the Warehouse district? Plus you’ll have the finished SW Tower in a few years. Regardless, I’ll take any of the three spots.

1 hour ago, stpats44113 said:

Isn’t the most condensed downtown population in the Warehouse district? Plus you’ll have the finished SW Tower in a few years. Regardless, I’ll take any of the three spots.

 

I'd say E.13 area has more people than warehouse district. WHD has 4-6 story bldgs and only so many. E. 13 area has Lumen, Chesterfield, Reserve Square, Statler Hotel Bldg, Bohn Tower, ParkView Apts., CLE Athletic Club, and a bunch of lower rise bldgs around there, not to mention CSU just a few blocks further east.

this would also be interesting to have around downtown cle — kinda related to this city target/grocery concept, an amazon go x starbucks just opened in nyc midtown. 

 

amazon go has teamed up with starbucks kiosks the past few years, but now one has a full fledged starbucks.

 

they say more of these ‘just walk out’ tech starbucks pickup x amazon go teamup shops are to come:

 

"Our goal with this new store concept is to give our customers the ability to choose which experience is right for them as they go through their day," explained Katie Young, senior vice president of global growth and development at Starbucks, "whether it is utilizing the Starbucks and Amazon apps to purchase food and beverages on the go, or deciding to stay in the lounge for the traditional third place experience Starbucks is known for."

 

more:

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/starbucks-amazon-go-store

The old Norton Furniture location could work pretty good as well, assuming the rest of the building gets rehabbed as well. It's surrounded by parking lots that are begging to be developed into more CSU dorms or the Edge sized buildings.

Not as exciting as a downtown Target but:

 

Room Service, a boutique at the Van Aken District, will be opening a new location in the 2,200 SF, two-story rear building of 5222 Lorain Ave according to a permit for its renovation.

^ Nice to see things creep further down Lorain and into previously empty buildings.  Is that the same business that was on W25th and closed down a year or two ago?

1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ Nice to see things creep further down Lorain and into previously empty buildings.  Is that the same business that was on W25th and closed down a year or two ago?

Looks like it. Hopefully this new location works out better for them.

18 hours ago, tykaps said:

Not as exciting as a downtown Target but:

 

Room Service, a boutique at the Van Aken District, will be opening a new location in the 2,200 SF, two-story rear building of 5222 Lorain Ave according to a permit for its renovation.

 

Hmm. There was a Greek restaurant planned for that space. Wonder what happened....

14 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Hmm. There was a Greek restaurant planned for that space. Wonder what happened....

Greek Village is now opening down the street at 4617 Lorain Ave! (old Lorain furniture building)

 

 

Urban streetwear stores Xhibition and the Complex Shop will be opening in Tower City. It seems like the complex shop will just be one of the All Star Game pop ups Bedrock referenced earlier.

Also two of the local shops 360 streetwear and Jaxson's closet seems to have opened.

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I don't not understand the fascination of Target and Trader Joe's on this forum?  I guess I'll equate it to me wanting a Barney's [rest in peace] Downtown.  Today, I would be happy with a Bloomies or Nordstrom.

 

On 12/7/2021 at 7:58 PM, tykaps said:

Not as exciting as a downtown Target but:

 

Room Service, a boutique at the Van Aken District, will be opening a new location in the 2,200 SF, two-story rear building of 5222 Lorain Ave according to a permit for its renovation.

A permit was uploaded for the front building at 5222 Lorain Ave. It'll be a coffee bar on the first floor.

big retailers are splitting off or looking at splitting off their businesses:

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/could-nordstrom-next-retailer-split-154932008.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACKvNQKVtaaBANroRj8hHKS09tmdw_ulp3itD84Nlu5q87gknvemV07xdaAuxzuGMFWbn4A9UYugvXntR5fSa09ZBTJmQ14qsZDFbUs6w60V-IW8NvyuOU0x_ApqVx1hks0X0_neJeDU59dbry8l82Gq30NYBVM9S5k6U4WW_Crf

 

Is Downtown Cleveland in Target’s bullseye?

By Ken Prendergast / December 27, 2021

 

The upscale discount retail giant Target is in expansion mode. It is focusing on locations in downtowns, near colleges and dense suburbs for small, urban-format stores. But will downtown Cleveland or perhaps University Circle be under consideration?

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/12/27/is-downtown-cleveland-in-targets-bullseye/

 

Wow, the responses to my Target story on the Facebook downtown Cleveland and the architectural discussion groups are truly dispiriting. So much racism, ignorance, hatred and love of parking. Funny how these all seemed to be intertwined.

52 minutes ago, KJP said:

Wow, the responses to my Target story on the Facebook downtown Cleveland and the architectural discussion groups are truly dispiriting. So much racism, ignorance, hatred and love of parking. Funny how these all seemed to be intertwined.

How many of those people even live downtown?

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Wow, the responses to my Target story on the Facebook downtown Cleveland and the architectural discussion groups are truly dispiriting. So much racism, ignorance, hatred and love of parking. Funny how these all seemed to be intertwined.

 

New to Facebook?

i just looked at the comments on the cleveland architecture group and most were in favor, only a few out of touch "olds"

18 minutes ago, X said:

 

New to Facebook?

 

New to trying to defend my articles from people arguing that they will get robbed or killed if they go downtown. So when I asked why they have such ignorance and hatred in their hearts, I got called a racist.

On 12/15/2021 at 10:47 PM, MyTwoSense said:

I don't not understand the fascination of Target and Trader Joe's on this forum?  I guess I'll equate it to me wanting a Barney's [rest in peace] Downtown.  Today, I would be happy with a Bloomies or Nordstrom.

 

i know, right

 

i haven't been to target since the pandemic started

 

and trader joe's only has a couple things i ever get

Jesus Christ. Either l'm out of touch or there are way too many delusional people out there. 

 

First off, thank you for your thorough and informative article Ken. That piece is exactly the reason why this forum is my go to for all things development. Secondly, for those who don't get the "fascination" with a city Target or those whose first reaction to the possibility of downtown shopping is a  knee jerk fear of crime...well l posit that the more office, government, residential, entertainment and yes, shopping the more healthy and vibrant you are. 

 

Shopping is a sign of life. It adds foot traffic to our sidewalks. It adds convenience to residents. It's good for the environment. 

 

I know l'm preaching to the choir to most of you but l guess l'm just frustrated by the  ignorance and negativity out there. I stopped reading Facebook awhile ago along with some other sites because of the vitriol. This forum still has sane posters and for that l am thankful.

Sorry, l meant downtown shopping is good the environment vs. driving to the mall.

On 12/15/2021 at 10:47 PM, MyTwoSense said:

I don't not understand the fascination of Target and Trader Joe's on this forum?  I guess I'll equate it to me wanting a Barney's [rest in peace] Downtown.  Today, I would be happy with a Bloomies or Nordstrom.

 

For me and probably many others downtown, Target is a place that I shop sometimes multiple times a week. It would have an enormous impact on foot traffic downtown, wherever it gets located. I do think the Centennial is an interesting option given its location near Heinen's, which currently is probably the most active 'retail' draw downtown. I wouldn't turn down a Nordstrom/Bloomies but I don't think we can quite go from having essentially no shopping downtown to THAT 😁

26 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

For me and probably many others downtown, Target is a place that I shop sometimes multiple times a week. It would have an enormous impact on foot traffic downtown, wherever it gets located. I do think the Centennial is an interesting option given its location near Heinen's, which currently is probably the most active 'retail' draw downtown. I wouldn't turn down a Nordstrom/Bloomies but I don't think we can quite go from having essentially no shopping downtown to THAT 😁

 

Right, Target is a hugely popular store. It would draw a crowd that other retailers surrounding it could benefit from.

 

Nordstrom or Bloomingdale's would be nice downtown, but most old school department stores are not in expansion mode as they are trying to just keep the lights on at existing stores right now. Stores that offer products people actually need are the ones growing. 

 

Given the relative absence of major retail in downtown, this could be a huge win! That's why people are excited.

Another interesting prospect for a potential Target location. 668 would also be a good spot.

 

16 minutes ago, urbanetics_ said:

Another interesting prospect for a potential Target location. 668 would also be a good spot.

 

So funny, 668 Euclid popped into my head this morning for this first time while reading Ken’s article as the potential best location.  I believe this is now filled with I Heart Radio, correct?

 

May Company remains my number 1 vote, either on the Prospect side or Euclid side. 

Only the dark blue space indicated in that above graphic is the iHeartMedia leased space. Looks like there’s still 16,000 left in the rest of the building - which would definitely be enough room for a smaller Target.

 

It’s nice knowing that Downtown at least has so many possible / feasible options and locations - keeping my fingers crossed!

I would also vote for May Co Bldg since it was prevously  retail at one time.

28 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

I would also vote for May Co Bldg since it was prevously  retail at one time.

Not that matter’s much, but 688 Euclid was also perviously retail.  The old Taylor’s Department Store:

 

https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/242

 

 

5 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

Not that matter’s much, but 688 Euclid was also perviously retail.  The old Taylor’s Department Store:

 

https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/242

 

 

Ah. That was a bit before my time. I only remember Higbee's, May Co., Halle's and Sterling Lindner (with that huge Christmas tree).

 

Edited December 29, 20213 yr by LibertyBlvd

^ Hey no worries.  I think before all of our time :)

 

Check it out, basement of the 5th Street Arcade:

 

https://m.facebook.com/benzelman/posts/pcb.10220267439499469/

45 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

^ Hey no worries.  I think before all of our time :)

 

Check it out, basement of the 5th Street Arcade:

 

https://m.facebook.com/benzelman/posts/pcb.10220267439499469/

Wow, I can assure you - back when that space was Fitworks, it looked NOTHING like that! 😆

Big or small, national or local what these stores opening up quickly in Tower City shows me is if the will, effort and connections are there, you'll be able to attract tenants downtown.

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Eton Chagrin Boulevard update:

• Barely two weeks after Lucky Brand Jeans closed, a new tenant is already coming soon: national women's clothing store EVEREVE.  The current east side location is at Beachwood Place next to H&M, so I'm guessing it will be moving from there to Eton.
• A new unnamed steak house is advertised as "coming soon" to the former Fleming's space next to Lululemon.
• Eton's 80,000+ sq ft office tower is back to 100% occupancy following Launch Workplaces' opening late last year.  The former 2nd floor gym and management office had to move to unused spaces in the mall to make room.
• Restore Hyper Wellness has been doing well in the ~5 year vacant space formerly occupied by Penzey's Spices (the space briefly served as a temporary space for Lululemon while its store was being renovated just before COVID).
• Mabel's BBQ construction is coming along nicely at the former B-Spot space.  Signage is being installed.
• Finally, site prep work is well-underway for the next phase of Eton West End, starting with Erie Bank.

 

 

 

Bath & Body Works closed in Tower City and from what I heard from an employee it was forced upon them. They finished number 1 in the area in sales so it couldn't be performance. I hope Dan Gilbert didn't force them out because if he did It wouldn't make sense right before the All Star Game to lose a national tenant.

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Weird if they were forced out unless Gilbert has some amazing plan for Tower City which l doubt. And if there is some amazing plan it's gonna take quite awhile to implement. So why kick out a rent paying foot trafficking business now? Just weird.

Multiple tenants at Tower City were forced out and were doing well.

 

I'm no fan of McDonald's but that place was always busy.

 

As a former tenant of Tower City, I was never impressed with their ability to maintain the building and respond to business requests for service. Their attention to detail was abysmal.

It's a smart move by Gilbert to bring local at first.  He is testing the market.  

These businesses should lease other available storefronts downtown. 

It's a smart move by Gilbert to bring local at first.  He is testing the market.  

That's fine and all but when you have such a massive event such as the All Star game you should be playing your best hand. If you wanted to kick them out wait until after the All Star break.

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These businesses should lease other available storefronts downtown. 

You would think Gilbert would at least offer space at May Co. or something. Even the spaces on Prospect behind the Casino.

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56 minutes ago, cadmen said:

Weird if they were forced out unless Gilbert has some amazing plan for Tower City which l doubt. And if there is some amazing plan it's gonna take quite awhile to implement. So why kick out a rent paying foot trafficking business now? Just weird.

Bedrock seemed to me to be floundering at the time, not sure what to do with Tower City.  They forced shops out expecting Moreno's Blockchain concept to  happen and then it didn't. Simultaneously Gilbert got sick and the company was rudderless for a time. Now they've reversed course, it appears, repopulating storefronts; lately however, their actions, investing a modest amount of their own capital and talent in TC's future, seem more confident.  I'm optimistic.