2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

As much as I wish Dave’s would stay, maybe with all of the attention this closing is getting it will get on the radar of the folks down the turnpike in Pittsburgh. There’s certainly cheaper ways for the Big Bird to get publicity, but the good will it would create with shoppers in the region would be 💰

49 minutes ago, brtshrcegr said:

As much as I wish Dave’s would stay, maybe with all of the attention this closing is getting it will get on the radar of the folks down the turnpike in Pittsburgh. There’s certainly cheaper ways for the Big Bird to get publicity, but the good will it would create with shoppers in the region would be 💰

Supposedly, Dave's will be providing shuttle bus service from their soon to be former location to the Dave's supermarket in Euclid.

FWIW The other day, I asked a staff member in the downtown Heinens if the lower-level rotunda was ever going to go back to what it was originally. She said that they’ve been told some ‘refurb’ will be done by Memorial Day. 

15 hours ago, brtshrcegr said:

As much as I wish Dave’s would stay, maybe with all of the attention this closing is getting it will get on the radar of the folks down the turnpike in Pittsburgh. There’s certainly cheaper ways for the Big Bird to get publicity, but the good will it would create with shoppers in the region would be 💰

Whatever Dave's does is already "on the radar" of Giant Eagle.  Dave's and Giant Eagle are very closely linked as Giant Eagle is their wholesale supplier.  I understand that the main distribution warehouse has Giant Eagle offices on one side and Dave's on the other.  In addition, there is a very distinct pattern where Giant Eagle stores are located and where Dave's are located.  They do not compete with each other.  Also, Giant Eagle has basically pulled out of places like the City of Cleveland, Euclid and Richmond Heights, yet those are locations for Dave's.  One of the reasons why Giant Eagle pulled out of the Buckeye neighborhood was due to shoplifting.  A manager at the former Willoughby Hills Giant Eagle at the Shoppes of Willoughby Hills (now closed) once told me that they were getting clobbered by shoplifting.  If shoplifters were confronted, the employees were threatened.  That was a big reason why they pulled out.  Theft was the reason behind Sam's Club leaving the Shoppes of Willoughby Hills as well.

Coming to Beachwood, right next to Zumiez.


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I went to Beachwood Place a few times this weekend. Granted there are some vacancies, but it didn't seem like there were significantly more than usual. One of the department store's adjacent lower floors is pretty barren - I forgot which - but that's the only thing that really stuck out. Also, Dillard's has done a nice job spacing the racks, and it looks like there's improved lighting. 

 

That the Starbucks is still closed defies reason. 

 

My dad likes the North bar too. I'm not a hoppy IPA fan, but it was fun going to happy hour there nonetheless. Like old times at McCormicks (yeah I know that one is still empty).

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Walmart in Mayfield Heights will close in May do to financial underperformance.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/04/walmart-will-close-its-mayfield-heights-store-in-may-2nd-ohio-store-closing-this-year.html

Opening by Memorial Day, Downtown Heinens. 

An ice cream shop is a great re-use of the original coffee shop space (I believe that is where they plan to put this). I think it will be pretty popular! Glad to see the Rotunda opened up for full activation again 

This makes me happy!!! Now I don't have to walk to OC for my Mitchells Fix!!!

7 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Walmart in Mayfield Heights will close in May do to financial underperformance.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/04/walmart-will-close-its-mayfield-heights-store-in-may-2nd-ohio-store-closing-this-year.html

The reasons given for the closure of the Mayfield Heights Walmart could have been taken from the same statement given when Sam's Club pulled out of Willoughby Hills.  Per a Sam's Club manager, the inability to control theft and associated losses played a huge role in closing that Sam's Club.  The Mayfield Heights Walmart always seems to be busy.  Out of control theft will cause financial under performance.  The same thing happened to the Garfield Heights Walmart that closed a few years ago.

9 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

The reasons given for the closure of the Mayfield Heights Walmart could have been taken from the same statement given when Sam's Club pulled out of Willoughby Hills.  Per a Sam's Club manager, the inability to control theft and associated losses played a huge role in closing that Sam's Club.  The Mayfield Heights Walmart always seems to be busy.  Out of control theft will cause financial under performance.  The same thing happened to the Garfield Heights Walmart that closed a few years ago.

That makes me wonder how the Steelyard Commons Walmart manages to survive?  It's often been joked about as being the worst Walmart in America.

And it makes me wonder if there's any data to back those claims.

I went to Beachwood Place a few times this weekend. Granted there are some vacancies, but it didn't seem like there were significantly more than usual. One of the department store's adjacent lower floors is pretty barren - I forgot which - but that's the only thing that really stuck out. Also, Dillard's has done a nice job spacing the racks, and it looks like there's improved lighting. 
 
That the Starbucks is still closed defies reason. 
 
My dad likes the North bar too. I'm not a hoppy IPA fan, but it was fun going to happy hour there nonetheless. Like old times at McCormicks (yeah I know that one is still empty).

You are probably talking about the Nordstrom wing which has the Microsoft Store empty (which may be due to them suddenly closing and still having a lease obligation), the Justice space and I believe another. The first two are large spaces, giving off a more barren feel. The other stores over there also don’t draw a lot of traffic versus the 2 other wings. As far as I was told, the Starbucks space is empty because they chose to leave due to “safety issues” for their baristas. They still had a lease and are still honoring it and paying their rent. (It also may be to prevent competition from opening in that space).


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3 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

You are probably talking about the Nordstrom wing which has the Microsoft Store empty (which may be due to them suddenly closing and still having a lease obligation), the Justice space and I believe another. The first two are large spaces, giving off a more barren feel. The other stores over there also don’t draw a lot of traffic versus the 2 other wings. As far as I was told, the Starbucks space is empty because they chose to leave due to “safety issues” for their baristas. They still had a lease and are still honoring it and paying their rent. (It also may be to prevent competition from opening in that space).


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Microsoft closed all stores a few years ago, chain-wide, which left large holes in many malls, unfortunately - at a time when mall retail was already challenged. 

 

As for Starbucks, at last check (confirmed by app check today), formely busy Starbucks mall locations at Belden Village in Canton and Summit Mall in Fairlawn were still also closed and sitting empty - not just the tiny Beachwood Place location - so it seems keeping mall locations idle, for whatever reason, is somewhat common.

1 hour ago, eyehrtfood said:

Microsoft closed all stores a few years ago, chain-wide, which left large holes in many malls, unfortunately - at a time when mall retail was already challenged. 

 

As for Starbucks, at last check (confirmed by app check today), formely busy Starbucks mall locations at Belden Village in Canton and Summit Mall in Fairlawn were still also closed and sitting empty - not just the tiny Beachwood Place location - so it seems keeping mall locations idle, for whatever reason, is somewhat common.

That reason for Starbucks closing literally came from the employees mouth, it was what they were told. 

I can understand Starbucks' concerns... but it still feels strange. The Starbucks was such a tiny shop (75 square feet?) so rent must have been comparable negligible to other stores. I bet they were pulling $2500 a day or so (figure $6/person on average, 35-45 people per hour, 10 hours a day). Just a guess.

 

One problem with Beachwood Place is that it's boring. I get the days of bookstores, record shops and electronic stores are dead, but my god there is no variety there. Food, clothes, jewels, repeat and rinse. No wonder my dad hates going.

 

Not a direct criticism of Beachwood Place; just a frustrated observation on these changing times.

17 hours ago, X said:

And it makes me wonder if there's any data to back those claims.

One would think that a manager from Sam's Club (whom I knew) would have the "data" of what caused another nearby Sam's Club to close.  As for the Willoughby Hills shopping center where the closed Sam's Club was located, it was very obvious that theft was a massive problem that other retailers faced.  Between seeing numerous "incidents" involving shoplifters being confronted over their acts, increased uniformed security and other changes to discourage theft put into place, it was a big problem.  The nearby former Twin Value (once located in Euclid) was hit very hard by theft and it was the big reason why they pulled out of the area.  When K-Mart moved into that location, it was more of the same.

 

As for the Mayfield Heights Walmart that is closing, that store's parking lot always has a lot of cars in it.  It would be one thing if it was empty nearly all the time, but that isn't the case.  Just from that simple observation that gives a strong indication that the something else is negatively impacting the finances of the operation.  The Mayfield Heights police reports have numerous reports of theft.  Though not the same Walmart, the South Euclid Walmart (Oakwood Commons on Warrensville Center Road) has a large number of police reports for shoplifting activity.

20 hours ago, cle_guy90 said:

That makes me wonder how the Steelyard Commons Walmart manages to survive?  It's often been joked about as being the worst Walmart in America.

Curious if the reasoning behind the Steelyard Commons Walmart and even the Oakwood Commons Walmart may have some significant legal "strings" attached to their operations staying open.  Once those legalities expire, perhaps they could be ones that close.  South Euclid's residents complain that their Walmart places quite a bit of a demand on their police department.  Supposedly, Cleveland Heights doesn't miss that their store closed when Oakwood opened.

28 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

One would think that a manager from Sam's Club (whom I knew) would have the "data" of what caused another nearby Sam's Club to close.  As for the Willoughby Hills shopping center where the closed Sam's Club was located, it was very obvious that theft was a massive problem that other retailers faced.  Between seeing numerous "incidents" involving shoplifters being confronted over their acts, increased uniformed security and other changes to discourage theft put into place, it was a big problem.  The nearby former Twin Value (once located in Euclid) was hit very hard by theft and it was the big reason why they pulled out of the area.  When K-Mart moved into that location, it was more of the same.

 

As for the Mayfield Heights Walmart that is closing, that store's parking lot always has a lot of cars in it.  It would be one thing if it was empty nearly all the time, but that isn't the case.  Just from that simple observation that gives a strong indication that the something else is negatively impacting the finances of the operation.  The Mayfield Heights police reports have numerous reports of theft.  Though not the same Walmart, the South Euclid Walmart (Oakwood Commons on Warrensville Center Road) has a large number of police reports for shoplifting activity.

 

So, none that you're gonna share with us.  Got it.

1 hour ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

One would think that a manager from Sam's Club (whom I knew) would have the "data" of what caused another nearby Sam's Club to close.  As for the Willoughby Hills shopping center where the closed Sam's Club was located, it was very obvious that theft was a massive problem that other retailers faced.  Between seeing numerous "incidents" involving shoplifters being confronted over their acts, increased uniformed security and other changes to discourage theft put into place, it was a big problem.  The nearby former Twin Value (once located in Euclid) was hit very hard by theft and it was the big reason why they pulled out of the area.  When K-Mart moved into that location, it was more of the same.

 

As for the Mayfield Heights Walmart that is closing, that store's parking lot always has a lot of cars in it.  It would be one thing if it was empty nearly all the time, but that isn't the case.  Just from that simple observation that gives a strong indication that the something else is negatively impacting the finances of the operation.  The Mayfield Heights police reports have numerous reports of theft.  Though not the same Walmart, the South Euclid Walmart (Oakwood Commons on Warrensville Center Road) has a large number of police reports for shoplifting activity.

Mayfield store is far smaller than today's supercenter model, without full grocery line, etc... = outdated by their standards which could also play into this. 

1 hour ago, eyehrtfood said:

Mayfield store is far smaller than today's supercenter model, without full grocery line, etc... = outdated by their standards which could also play into this. 

This is true. And I guess they're willing to bet shoppers are willing to travel to Eastlake or Mentor, Macedonia, and most likely, South Euclid to continue patronizing them. Guess they're not scared of the Target, Giant Eagle or all the other shops in that Goldengate/Mayfield shopping strip over there snatching their customers.

12 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

This is true. And I guess they're willing to bet shoppers are willing to travel to Eastlake or Mentor, Macedonia, and most likely, South Euclid to continue patronizing them. Guess they're not scared of the Target, Giant Eagle or all the other shops in that Goldengate/Mayfield shopping strip over there snatching their customers.

Or it could be theft! But that's unpopular to say. 

2 hours ago, X said:

 

So, none that you're gonna share with us.  Got it.

Sort of hard to go back to managers and employees of stores when they have now been closed for several years; in the case of Sam's Club it closed about 13 years ago.  Heard enough from multiple different sources stating the theft problem from Sam's Club was well-known common knowledge.  Retail-wise, it was probably common knowledge of the problems it faced as no retailer had any interest in moving in.  Aside from short-term events like walking with dinosaurs, it sat empty for a decade before a wholesale produce operation moved in.  They don't deal with the general public and have limited hours.  Far easier to keep things like theft under control.  As for the the neighboring Giant Eagle that closed, one would have to be totally oblivious to not know what was happening.  They were one of the first Giant Eagle stores to offer safety escorts to cars, too. 

 

But I get it, if one doesn't see the cold hard facts on printed reports, it cannot be true.  Maybe go to these local police departments to see exactly how many reports get filed for these places.  The ones from Cleveland.com are by far a small number of incidents that get published.

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3 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

But I get it, if one doesn't see the cold hard facts on printed reports, it cannot be true.

 

No, but without cold hard facts on printed reports, it is not proven to be true.

On 4/20/2022 at 7:13 AM, eyehrtfood said:

Microsoft closed all stores a few years ago, chain-wide, which left large holes in many malls, unfortunately - at a time when mall retail was already challenged. 

 

As for Starbucks, at last check (confirmed by app check today), formely busy Starbucks mall locations at Belden Village in Canton and Summit Mall in Fairlawn were still also closed and sitting empty - not just the tiny Beachwood Place location - so it seems keeping mall locations idle, for whatever reason, is somewhat common.

“Safety issues” could’ve also been COVID-related. The shop has been temporarily closed since late 2020/early 2021.  Plus all of the fixtures/signage/furniture is still there.
 

In the meantime, at least Nordstrom’s eBar is open in the mall and Nervous Dog in LaPlace. The eBar baristas are always super friendly. 

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Nervous Dog is wonderful. My dad literally goes there every morning.

21 hours ago, eyehrtfood said:

Or it could be theft! But that's unpopular to say. 

Broach the subject to some and either they are in denial or don't have a problem with it (perhaps they feel that is making the "big evil corporations pay").  Have to jump through hoops to prove a point, regardless if sources are reliable or one has directly seen it happening (either when police intervene or seeing change that are done to try to slow it).  Probably even if ample evidence is procured, someone would call it made up.  Yet, on other subjects that align to their thinking, less supporting information is treated as gospel. 

2 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Broach the subject to some and either they are in denial or don't have a problem with it (perhaps they feel that is making the "big evil corporations pay").  Have to jump through hoops to prove a point, regardless if sources are reliable or one has directly seen it happening (either when police intervene or seeing change that are done to try to slow it).  Probably even if ample evidence is procured, someone would call it made up.  Yet, on other subjects that align to their thinking, less supporting information is treated as gospel. 

 

So, you're not going to present any verifiable evidence?

27 minutes ago, X said:

 

So, you're not going to present any verifiable evidence?

Why should I?  For one, it is obvious that you won't take my word on activities that I have seen:  Multiple incidents of police dealing with  shoplifters and measures taken to try to stem theft.  I shouldn't have to track down employees of stores that have gone out of business or find someone who I haven't seen in years.  Even in the corporate offices, they may not be willing or bother with some random inquiry.  Since you have the doubts, why don't YOU go out and find it.  Besides, along the lines of a certain NFL quarterback, you seem perfectly fine in accepting statements from people that prosecutors found didn't provide enough "verifiable evidence" to file any charges.  Why is it okay to accept that but not something else?

 

4 hours ago, SgtBarone said:

“Safety issues” could’ve also been COVID-related. The shop has been temporarily closed since late 2020/early 2021.  Plus all of the fixtures/signage/furniture is still there.
 

In the meantime, at least Nordstrom’s eBar is open in the mall and Nervous Dog in LaPlace. The eBar baristas are always super friendly. 

Yeah I always thought it was covid related. They've been short of employees ever since. There was a bit last year where a ton of employees on the east side got sick, so most of their shops closed. I was working for the city of South Euclid then, and they told us that was the reason the location was closed. The Chagrin/Green location also closed at that time, despite being constantly busy throughout the pandemic. That location still has not reopened. The Eton location still hasn't reopened except for the drivethru, and the reasoning on the door last time I was there was lack of staff.

2 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Why should I?  For one, it is obvious that you won't take my word on activities that I have seen:  Multiple incidents of police dealing with  shoplifters and measures taken to try to stem theft.  I shouldn't have to track down employees of stores that have gone out of business or find someone who I haven't seen in years.  Even in the corporate offices, they may not be willing or bother with some random inquiry.  Since you have the doubts, why don't YOU go out and find it.  Besides, along the lines of a certain NFL quarterback, you seem perfectly fine in accepting statements from people that prosecutors found didn't provide enough "verifiable evidence" to file any charges.  Why is it okay to accept that but not something else?

 

 

One person's word vs 23 people's word is a big difference.  Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you've seen things, and maybe heard things, but without the perspective that comes from comparative data it's all anecdotal.  And given some people's biases, I am hesitant to believe anecdotes from random internet people.  Sorry.

12 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

Yeah I always thought it was covid related. They've been short of employees ever since. There was a bit last year where a ton of employees on the east side got sick, so most of their shops closed. I was working for the city of South Euclid then, and they told us that was the reason the location was closed. The Chagrin/Green location also closed at that time, despite being constantly busy throughout the pandemic. That location still has not reopened. The Eton location still hasn't reopened except for the drivethru, and the reasoning on the door last time I was there was lack of staff.

Both Chagrin/Green and Eton are back open with regular hours. But this wasn’t until recently. 

On 4/19/2022 at 1:29 PM, mrclifton88 said:

An ice cream shop is a great re-use of the original coffee shop space (I believe that is where they plan to put this). I think it will be pretty popular! Glad to see the Rotunda opened up for full activation again 

Looks like it’ll be adjacent to the former coffee shop; I counted 20 spaces in the coolers for different flavors 👍

On 4/19/2022 at 8:40 PM, cle_guy90 said:

That makes me wonder how the Steelyard Commons Walmart manages to survive?  It's often been joked about as being the worst Walmart in America.

 

Politics.   Wallyworld won't close it because it would be more of high profile closing than the others.

On 4/20/2022 at 10:17 AM, TBideon said:

I can understand Starbucks' concerns... but it still feels strange. The Starbucks was such a tiny shop (75 square feet?) so rent must have been comparable negligible to other stores. I bet they were pulling $2500 a day or so (figure $6/person on average, 35-45 people per hour, 10 hours a day). Just a guess.

 

One problem with Beachwood Place is that it's boring. I get the days of bookstores, record shops and electronic stores are dead, but my god there is no variety there. Food, clothes, jewels, repeat and rinse. No wonder my dad hates going.

 

Not a direct criticism of Beachwood Place; just a frustrated observation on these changing times.

 

I caught some flack in here for a similar observation of Beachwood Place years ago.   Found there was literally nothing I was interested in when taking budget (after Holly got done with the stuff she *was* interested in) into account.

On 4/19/2022 at 8:26 PM, LifeLongClevelander said:

The reasons given for the closure of the Mayfield Heights Walmart could have been taken from the same statement given when Sam's Club pulled out of Willoughby Hills.  Per a Sam's Club manager, the inability to control theft and associated losses played a huge role in closing that Sam's Club.  The Mayfield Heights Walmart always seems to be busy.  Out of control theft will cause financial under performance.  The same thing happened to the Garfield Heights Walmart that closed a few years ago.

 

It was Bedford Wallyworld that closed a few years back, where it was newsworthy that they were very open about a big reason being what is politely called "shrinkage".    Both from customers and employees.   This after the Target across the street had already closed. 

 

They had only opened a few years earlier, and they were part of the reason that the Garfield Heights one closed.    While theft was another part of the reason Garfield closed, it was mainly due to soil (former landfill) issues and the fact that they could not expand their food selection because the Pittsburgh store had a contractual limit on other food stores going into that development

3 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

It was Bedford Wallyworld that closed a few years back, where it was newsworthy that they were very open about a big reason being what is politely called "shrinkage".    Both from customers and employees.   This after the Target across the street had already closed. 

 

They had only opened a few years earlier, and they were part of the reason that the Garfield Heights one closed.    While theft was another part of the reason Garfield closed, it was mainly due to soil (former landfill) issues and the fact that they could not expand their food selection because the Pittsburgh store had a contractual limit on other food stores going into that development

Thanks for clarifying the locations.  I did confuse the cities involved, but I was indeed thinking of the Walmart on Rockside in Bedford being closed for "shrinkage" issues.  The landfill situation was totally different and all I know is that I never want to live or work anyplace near one.  I don't care how well compacted a former landfill is, nor how well vented and "sealed" they may be.  Far too many horror stories from places like Love Canal where there were all sorts of cancers and illnesses.   Where the Mayfield Heights Walmart isn't a supercenter, if that store was constantly busy, one would come to the natural conclusion that other factors came into play.

Thought you all would like to see past downtown retailers. I was 22 years old in 1989 but had yet to make to make the full conversion to urbanista...

 

 

Wow I can’t imagine going to 200 Public Square to shop. The state of retail downtown continues to be pretty dismal. I always thought there should be a Malleys downtown. Didn’t realize there already was! 

There were two Malley's, unless it moved from the Bp Building to the Galleria a year later...

 

 

Looking at Harvard Park in Chagrin Highlands, HomeGoods is taking 3/4 of the space (28,095 sq ft) formerly occupied by Bed Bath & Beyond.  According to leasing documents, the remaining 10,000 sq ft is being negotiated:

 

https://goodmanrealestate.com/components/com_osproperty/document/1649430104_Warrensville Heights, OH - Harvard Park.pdf

 

Also, MatchSet Tennis is opening soon in the last vacant space in the main part of the plaza.  This store focuses on tennis, racquetball, and pickleball and has one other location in Dayton:

 

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/04/racket-sports-courted-new-players-mid-pandemic-new-tennis-store-platform-tennis-center-open-in-greater-cleveland-while-sport-soars.html

https://www.matchsettennis.com/

Free People Movement opened last Friday at Pinecrest in the former Gracylane space. This is the first FP Movement location in Ohio. 

Showcase, a Canadian specialty retailer focusing on trending products, is expanding to the U.S. with 27 new locations this summer, including Beachwood Place (Ohio's only location):

 

https://chainstoreage.com/canadian-retailer-showcase-open-27-us-stores-end-summer

One thing about Beachwood Place is they are good at attracting stores that are the first of its kind in Ohio (Zara, H&M Home etc.)


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14 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

One thing about Beachwood Place is they are good at attracting stores that are the first of its kind in Ohio (Zara, H&M Home etc.)


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Well on paper and in person it's still a viable mall. The other tenants that left either got better deals or aren't liking what current management is doing.

On 4/26/2022 at 9:59 PM, KJP said:

There were two Malley's, unless it moved from the Bp Building to the Galleria a year later...

 

 

 

There was one at 9th and Euclid on the NE corner as well.   That's where I caught the bus home in the early to mid 80s.

2 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Well on paper and in person it's still a viable mall. The other tenants that left either got better deals or aren't liking what current management is doing.

I know some key retailers confirmed as  paying no rent, only a % of sales, to keep them there. The way of the 2022 world, not just CLE retail.

I recall Eton doing something similar after its redevelopment.