February 1Feb 1 13 hours ago, surfohio said: It is disheartening that even billionaire Dan Gilbert can’t even get things going…at least not on a timeline that suits my lifespan. At this point I would just go opposite world and make K-Mart the anchor and license a bunch of dead or near-death franchises like Arthur Treachers, Radio Shack, Rax, Hooters etc. Make it like a ghostly retail visit into yesteryear. The last time I recall being there was there was 2018 when I took my daughter up to 42. It had declined a lot from its late 90s heyday when I was there at least once a month. I can't imagine it's better now the way brick and mortar has slid. That's actually not a bad idea, if done right. Retro mall. Add a couple places that are still more or less viable like Spencer's. (?).
February 1Feb 1 2 hours ago, JB said: Or just make it the train station again. Bunch of foot traffic that way. Not with 2 overnight trains and a second Trump administration... I would love to see it though. Bring in the CVSR and multiple daily Amtraks and we're talking.
February 1Feb 1 2 hours ago, E Rocc said: The last time I recall being there was there was 2018 when I took my daughter up to 42. It had declined a lot from its late 90s heyday when I was there at least once a month. I can't imagine it's better now the way brick and mortar has slid. That's actually not a bad idea, if done right. Retro mall. Add a couple places that are still more or less viable like Spencer's. (?). LOL, and the food court could feature things like Kenny Kings, Royal Castle, Mawby's, Boukair's, Clarks, etc.
February 1Feb 1 15 minutes ago, urb-a-saurus said: LOL, and the food court could feature things like Kenny Kings, Royal Castle, Mawby's, Boukair's, Clarks, etc. Gotta have an Orange Julius!
February 1Feb 1 3 hours ago, Cleburger said: Not with 2 overnight trains and a second Trump administration... I would love to see it though. Bring in the CVSR and multiple daily Amtraks and we're talking. Yep that’s what I meant, not what we currently have.
February 1Feb 1 20 hours ago, surfohio said: It is disheartening that even billionaire Dan Gilbert can’t even get things going…at least not on a timeline that suits my lifespan. At this point I would just go opposite world and make K-Mart the anchor and license a bunch of dead or near-death franchises like Arthur Treachers, Radio Shack, Rax, Hooters etc. Make it like a ghostly retail visit into yesteryear. To be honest though, they really have not spent a lot of dollars on redevelopment and repositioning Tower City. They purchased the pieces sure, but that place needs a renovation in the tens of millions of dollars and a clear vision for what it's supposed to be, to actually turn it around. I feel like they've just been experimenting before a huge capital investment, but we will see.
February 1Feb 1 4 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said: LOL, and the food court could feature things like Kenny Kings, Royal Castle, Mawby's, Boukair's, Clarks, etc. York Steak House. Though I always hit the Chinese-Cajun hybrid place when I went there.
February 1Feb 1 7 hours ago, E Rocc said: That's actually not a bad idea, if done right. Retro mall. Add a couple places that are still more or less viable like Spencer's. (?). At least "retro mall" is something unique that can be marketed, as opposed to the whole lot of nothing right now.
February 5Feb 5 On 2/1/2025 at 10:15 AM, urb-a-saurus said: LOL, and the food court could feature things like Kenny Kings, Royal Castle, Mawby's, Boukair's, Clarks, etc. Ok, this is awesome. But it will have a shelf life of about 30 years when most of us Gen X'ers are gone. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 5Feb 5 2 minutes ago, KJP said: Ok, this is awesome. But it will have a shelf life of about 30 years when most of us Gen X'ers are gone. That's as long as any mall's shelf life these days, it seems.
February 6Feb 6 14 hours ago, KJP said: Ok, this is awesome. But it will have a shelf life of about 30 years when most of us Gen X'ers are gone. Not if Gen Alpha falls in love with them all again like Gen X did in the 80s! Lol.
February 6Feb 6 And I should have said "Totally awesome" like "Radical." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 6Feb 6 1 hour ago, KJP said: And I should have said "Totally awesome" like "Radical." gnarly dude
February 6Feb 6 2 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said: Not if Gen Alpha falls in love with them all again like Gen X did in the 80s! Lol. Alpha likes to be able to socially disengage instataneously. So probably not.
February 6Feb 6 loganberry books looking good — https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFte7SUpMTX/?igsh=MXdlcDBlZWt2dHozNA==
February 13Feb 13 Pinecrest bought by North Carolina firm By Ken Prendergast / February 13, 2025 Tanger, a publicly traded owner and operator of outlet and open-air retail shopping centers, has acquired Pinecrest, a 640,000-square-foot open-air, grocery-anchored, mixed-use center at Harvard Road and Interstate 271 in Greater Cleveland’s eastern suburb of Orange Village. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2025/02/13/pinecrest-bought-by-north-carolina-firm/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 16Feb 16 On 2/13/2025 at 2:43 PM, ExPatClevGuy said: Tanger is well positioned to lure additional new top retailers to the center. How many vacancies does Pinecrest even have? With how spread out some of the developments are is there room for expansion? If that's the case, someone needs to convince them to take over the Galleria since the W is going in there. Edited February 16Feb 16 by MyPhoneDead
February 16Feb 16 13 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: How many vacancies does Pinecrest even have? With how spread out some of the developments are is there room for expansion? If that's the case, someone needs to convince them to take over the Galleria since the W is going in there. 13 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: How many vacancies does Pinecrest even have? With how spread out some of the developments are is there room for expansion? If that's the case, someone needs to convince them to take over the Galleria since the W is going in there. Also, maybe now that they have entered the market, Dan Gilbert could entice them to help fill the ground floor retail inside Tower City and around it on W Prospect and W Huron. It may be too soon now, but more likely once Bedrock Phase 1A and 1B, and the entire Riverfront infrastructure, are completed or underway (awaiting news on Phase 1B?). It's seems possible given Gilbert's amazing new retail success in Detroit.
February 16Feb 16 1 hour ago, Willo said: Also, maybe now that they have entered the market, Dan Gilbert could entice them to help fill the ground floor retail inside Tower City and around it on W Prospect and W Huron. It may be too soon now, but more likely once Bedrock Phase 1A and 1B, and the entire Riverfront infrastructure, are completed or underway (awaiting news on Phase 1B?). It's seems possible given Gilbert's amazing new retail success in Detroit. I think filling those outdoor spaces on Prospect would have a much bigger effect than people could imagine. Edited February 16Feb 16 by MyPhoneDead
February 16Feb 16 4 hours ago, Willo said: Also, maybe now that they have entered the market, Dan Gilbert could entice them to help fill the ground floor retail inside Tower City and around it on W Prospect and W Huron. It may be too soon now, but more likely once Bedrock Phase 1A and 1B, and the entire Riverfront infrastructure, are completed or underway (awaiting news on Phase 1B?). It's seems possible given Gilbert's amazing new retail success in Detroit. Downtown retail in Detroit works because of the huge size of the metro, and much higher population that either lives, works and spends time in downtown Detroit compared to Cleveland. On my visit there, I got this vibe from suburbanites that they enjoy spending time in downtown Detroit, and it continues to have momentum of development. Suburbanites in NEO act like they want nothing to do with downtown and would prefer everything be moved to a site off the freeway like Pinecrest. I know we all like to tout downtown CLE population numbers, but reality is, the numbers are miniscule to what it needs to have any chance of sustainable retail. All I hear about Heinens is that it's hanging by a thread
February 16Feb 16 Downtown retail and retail in general is a tricky business. We all love the nostalgia for brick and mortar locations but we all love the convenience of online shopping. Everyone is figuring out how to make it work.
February 17Feb 17 February 11, 2025 02:27 PM Indoor, year-round vendor Market 42 to open in April ALEXANDRA GOLDEN A space in Brunswick that hopes to open the first week of April is designed to give guests the ability to experience some of the food and products of Greece without traveling all that way. paywall -- https://www.crainscleveland.com/retail/market-42-open-pearl-road-brunswick Market 42 at 2099 Pearl Road in Brunswick is aiming to open the first week of April.
March 5Mar 5 Moving this over to the retail thread, we have a few clues as to their site selection logic. The first 2 are locations they tried to make work, both significantly further west (480/Tiedeman and 480/Transportation - now the jail site?) but didn't work out for unrelated reasons. Also, there's been plenty of opportunity to pick up freeway visible sites in the Beachwood corridor along 271 during the past say 20 years. So why haven't they ever moved on any of those? Clearly based on their previous moves, they have a preference for something further west.
March 5Mar 5 10 minutes ago, JohnSummit said: Moving this over to the retail thread, we have a few clues as to their site selection logic. The first 2 are locations they tried to make work, both significantly further west (480/Tiedeman and 480/Transportation - now the jail site?) but didn't work out for unrelated reasons. Also, there's been plenty of opportunity to pick up freeway visible sites in the Beachwood corridor along 271 during the past say 20 years. So why haven't they ever moved on any of those? Clearly based on their previous moves, they have a preference for something further west. Well they have wanted to go there in the past. One person halted that. Marcia Fudge when she was mayor.
March 6Mar 6 2 hours ago, JohnSummit said: Moving this over to the retail thread, we have a few clues as to their site selection logic. The first 2 are locations they tried to make work, both significantly further west (480/Tiedeman and 480/Transportation - now the jail site?) but didn't work out for unrelated reasons. Also, there's been plenty of opportunity to pick up freeway visible sites in the Beachwood corridor along 271 during the past say 20 years. So why haven't they ever moved on any of those? Clearly based on their previous moves, they have a preference for something further west. They were mostly set for Garfield heights including Garfield heights making improvements to the transportation boulevard interchange - until IKEA as a corporation backed away from building large stores in the US about 5 years ago - assuming people will only shopping online. 2 years ago they indicated they were going to go eight full-size stores in the US in Cleveland seemed to be back on track.
March 8Mar 8 the super popular thrift store shopping trend is in full force — highland throwback thrifts has enlarged — https://www.instagram.com/reel/DG2_snzptez/?igsh=MWp5aW5kdjRsNXV3eg==
March 27Mar 27 Does anyone know where Arhaus is relocating at Crocker Park? I would not be surprised if it was the Barnes & Noble space. This would give Arhaus a more visible presence and allow for a two-story store since the upstairs space is listed "for lease".
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, Sapientone said: Does anyone know where Arhaus is relocating at Crocker Park? I would not be surprised if it was the Barnes & Noble space. This would give Arhaus a more visible presence and allow for a two-story store since the upstairs space is listed "for lease". The former Burntwood corner space and adjacent spaces to south that had Pulpo, popcorn place, etc .. as I understand it.
March 27Mar 27 11 hours ago, Sapientone said: Does anyone know where Arhaus is relocating at Crocker Park? I would not be surprised if it was the Barnes & Noble space. This would give Arhaus a more visible presence and allow for a two-story store since the upstairs space is listed "for lease". Wait, what happened to the Barnes & Noble?
March 27Mar 27 29 minutes ago, Geowizical said: Wait, what happened to the Barnes & Noble? I'm not sure anything did happen if anything Barnes & Noble has a resurgence and is renovating and upgrading stores across the country both in design and selection of books.
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, eyehrtfood said: I'm not sure anything did happen if anything Barnes & Noble has a resurgence and is renovating and upgrading stores across the country both in design and selection of books. I know they are still going at Mentor.
March 27Mar 27 Yeah I thought the same - I was confused, the og poster's wording was a little misleading lol
March 27Mar 27 1 hour ago, Geowizical said: Yeah I thought the same - I was confused, the og poster's wording was a little misleading lol Yea, I walked past about a month and a half ago and it was still open... all of it, but things can change fast, especially in retail.
March 28Mar 28 Leases expire and new tenants may be willing to pay more for a more visible location, or a tenant may no longer need as much space but still wants a presence in the market.
March 31Mar 31 Randall Park Mall was supposed to entirely replace it, but has been an Amazon center for awhile now: https://pattonwilesfuller.com/property/southgate-usa/
March 31Mar 31 I remember Southgate, eating at Woolworth's or the Oriental Terrace, going to Sears and later, May's, etc. long before Severance opened in '63. My mom, ever the dedicated shopper, would drive all the way down there occasionally. It was impressive for its time. In fact, the whole route 8 corridor was very active. Remember Zayre and Uncle Bills? Is the site mixed use worthy today?
March 31Mar 31 2 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said: I remember Southgate, eating at Woolworth's or the Oriental Terrace, going to Sears and later, May's, etc. long before Severance opened in '63. My mom, ever the dedicated shopper, would drive all the way down there occasionally. It was impressive for its time. In fact, the whole route 8 corridor was very active. Remember Zayre and Uncle Bills? Is the site mixed use worthy today? I remember both, and the record store in that shopping center across from RPM where I believe I bought my first albums. It's still pretty active IIRC, I was there a few months ago.
March 31Mar 31 And don't forget Giant Tiger, later rebranded as Gaylord's. That entire shopping center across from RPM was occupied by Cook United subsidiaries - Uncle Bill's, Pick-N-Pay, JP Snodgrass, Record Theater, Sound Chamber and Stratford Jewelers, a catalogue order store. Edited March 31Mar 31 by LibertyBlvd
March 31Mar 31 On 2/16/2025 at 2:12 PM, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: Downtown retail in Detroit works because of the huge size of the metro, and much higher population that either lives, works and spends time in downtown Detroit compared to Cleveland. On my visit there, I got this vibe from suburbanites that they enjoy spending time in downtown Detroit, and it continues to have momentum of development. Suburbanites in NEO act like they want nothing to do with downtown and would prefer everything be moved to a site off the freeway like Pinecrest. I know we all like to tout downtown CLE population numbers, but reality is, the numbers are miniscule to what it needs to have any chance of sustainable retail. All I hear about Heinens is that it's hanging by a thread Well it's settled then. Your "vibe" defines the attitudes of two metros with a combined population of over 7,000,000 people. Thanks for the info.
March 31Mar 31 48 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: And don't forget Giant Tiger, later rebranded as Gaylord's. That entire shopping center across from RPM was occupied by Cook United subsidiaries - Uncle Bill's, Pick-N-Pay, JP Snodgrass, Record Theater, Sound Chamber and Stratford Jewelers, a catalogue order store. If I had a dollar for every time I was asked if my family owned J.P. Snodgrass I would have about as much money as if we did. :) Cook was based in Maple Heights about a mile from my house which made it more ironic. I recall just happening to be looking out my bedroom window when they had their big fire and a propane tank went airborne.
March 31Mar 31 I worked at Cook from 1975 - 1987. I don't remember the fire. It must have happened prior to my time there.
March 31Mar 31 44 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: I worked at Cook from 1975 - 1987. I don't remember the fire. It must have happened prior to my time there. I'm going to guess around 1970. For a long time after, one could see a slight color transition on the dock door of the steel warehouse, because another tank went through it and the lower half had to be replaced.
April 24Apr 24 Chick-fil-A opening first storefront in Cleveland Other small commercial projects emerging, too By Ken Prendergast / April 24, 2025 Amid all of the big development news happening around town, there’s lots of smaller commercial projects that can have a big impact on individual neighborhoods. And nearly all of these are new or expanded commercial offerings that are due to pop up on the landscape in the coming months. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2025/04/24/chick-fil-a-opening-first-storefront-in-cleveland/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 24Apr 24 2 hours ago, Whipjacka said: Encore Lounge looks small. what's it gonna be? Don't know what the theme is, but the floor plan shows it would have a bar along the long wall, a U-shaped seating lounge at one end and a standard seating/table area in front of the bar. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 25Apr 25 Eton has 5 new openings coming soon: https://www.crainscleveland.com/retail/vuori-announces-first-cleveland-location-eton Eton Chagrin Boulevard announces new tenants Vuori Chopt Cold Stone-Planet Smoothie Maestro Musicians Academy Israel International Naive Art Gallery pop-up
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