Any word on tenants??? Where do you see update I missed it?.... What about Cooper's hawk, to,orange? And REI and container store?

My question with the downsize it is due to the fact they will remake the saks wing? I have always thought they should esp 1st floor

For you streetwear heads:

 

http://www.cleveland.com/kristel/index.ssf/2014/12/new_mens_store_in_ohio_city_xh.html#incart_river

For you streetwear heads:

 

http://www.cleveland.com/kristel/index.ssf/2014/12/new_mens_store_in_ohio_city_xh.html#incart_river

 

Looks cool. Not sure it's my taste (or price range), but still.

For you streetwear heads:

 

http://www.cleveland.com/kristel/index.ssf/2014/12/new_mens_store_in_ohio_city_xh.html#incart_river

 

Looks cool. Not sure it's my taste (or price range), but still.

 

Yeah, I was a streetwear connoisseur 5 years ago.  Today, much less so.  The store is sweet though and it says a lot about the direction of the retail environment in Ohio City.  I hope this is an indicator that W. 25th can/is becoming an actual retail destination outside of just bars and restaurants.

Too bad the immediate context across the street is a front parking loaded Pizza Hut and a Chinese Buffet.  Wish we could build off this sort of new retail investment and density to its fullest.

Looks like they have some good raw denim made in the USA. This is URBAN Ohio, find something you like and support a local retailer

http://www.cleveland.com/beachwood/index.ssf/2014/12/beachwood_place_expansion_plan_4.html#incart_river

 

Beachwood Place update from dec 3

Ikea eyes Cleveland: Potential land deal in Brooklyn, but retailer isn't making commitments

Print Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer

on December 19, 2014 at 9:32 AM, updated December 19, 2014 at 9:33 AM

 

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The Plain Dealer Publishing Co. has signed a contract to sell 16 acres in the suburb of Brooklyn to Ikea. In an interview this week, Plain Dealer General Manager Virginia Wang confirmed that a contract exists. But she cautioned that the timeline is uncertain. The deal involves lots of contingencies. And a purchase agreement doesn't necessarily mean that a project will happen.

 

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"We've said for quite a while that we are very interested in the Cleveland metropolitan area," Roth (Ikea spokesman) said. "We have many customers there, and we are evaluating opportunities. I can't speak specifically about any of the opportunities, even if you may be aware of one of them. I can say, at this time, we have not committed to a timeframe, let alone a specific location."

 

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http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/12/ikea_eyes_cleveland_potential.html

*dies from happiness*

Hope they're just being cautious and the deal is closer than they're leading on :):):)

am i the only one who doesnt care about retail popping up in Brooklyn? i get the whole ikea obsession, but doesnt help our city at all really. FOrgive me for being a debbie downer on the topic, as I am not a big shopper.

If you're not a shopper, than maybe you don't get how this is good. I have traveled to both Cincy and PA specifically just to go to Ikea. When I was in ATL, I went out of my way to go there.I've met my sister at the one in Chicago. It's a shopping destination. It draws people. It's not like they're just putting up a dollar store.

If you're not a shopper, than maybe you don't get how this is good. I have traveled to both Cincy and PA specifically just to go to Ikea. When I was in ATL, I went out of my way to go there.I've met my sister at the one in Chicago. It's a shopping destination. It draws people. It's not like they're just putting up a dollar store.

They're not going to draw people like they once did when there is a location within two hours of everyone.  I could see back when there was just one in Canton, Michigan, and Chicago, that was differenct.  But now with Pitt, Cincy, maybe CLE, Detroit, it's not going to draw the people regionally like it once did.  Just like Casino's.  I'm sure Buffalo is next on their list. 

They're not going to draw people like they once did when there is a location within two hours of everyone.  I could see back when there was just one in Canton, Michigan, and Chicago, that was differenct.  But now with Pitt, Cincy, maybe CLE, Detroit, it's not going to draw the people regionally like it once did.  Just like Casino's.  I'm sure Buffalo is next on their list. 

 

True, but it'll still be nice to not have to leave Cuyahoga county just to pick up a skänka or a dombås!

 

In all seriousness, it's awesome to hear they're considering a site close to the heart of the core county of our region.  Even if it doesn't draw people from Youngstown or Toledo, it'll definitely bring retail dollars in from Medina and Akron, and I still think that's a win.

Of course I would prefer an IKEA in the city, but Brooklyn really isn't a bad location. Brooklyn is closer to Cleveland's downtown than Pittsburgh's IKEA is to its downtown. I hope this happens, and soon.

I would of course prefer it in the city as well, but what available land does the city have that fits Ikea's requirements? I don't even think Steelyard has as much available land left as they would need. IKEA developments are massive. Regardless, this is a big deal for the region and we should all be cheering for this to happen

I'd have my doubts about this happening quickly. They'll be going after land that Brooklyn owns through their development corporation, undeveloped sections of the American Greetings complex, and have to negotiate with the railroad to build an overpass and skywalk, or some such. Then of course they could just be using the PD for some loud leverage.

It's also probably closer to downtown that Toronto's Ikea, and certainly Detroit's Ikea.

Good thing MJM got the scoop on this one.  She'd have lost some street cred around here if someone beat her to a RE story involving the PD!  ha

Probably the best available site. Hope it happens.

I'm going to ask this even though I'm sure there will be those that laugh, but what is the hype around ikea? It's a furniture store, right? With build your own furniture? What am I missing, besides the umlaut?

I'm going to ask this even though I'm sure there will be those that laugh, but what is the hype around ikea? It's a furniture store, right? With build your own furniture? What am I missing, besides the umlaut?

 

Laugh?  Have you seen my rants about that dump?

 

I don't get the hype either.

I'm going to ask this even though I'm sure there will be those that laugh, but what is the hype around ikea? It's a furniture store, right? With build your own furniture? What am I missing, besides the umlaut?

I was thinking the same thing.  Any other big box store like Home Depot, Lowe's, Wal-Mart, etc. and everyone is screaming and hollering about sprawl, huge parking lots, and the little local store is being hurt.  But when Ikea comes along it's viewed as miraculous.  Perhaps because it is European that a lot of people see it as OK, but let's be honest, it is another big box store. I will certainly welcome it to the Cleveland market and have enjoyed my previous trip to the one in Pittsburgh, but I too am amused by all the hype.

I'm going to ask this even though I'm sure there will be those that laugh, but what is the hype around ikea? It's a furniture store, right? With build your own furniture? What am I missing, besides the umlaut?

I was thinking the same thing.  Any other big box store like Home Depot, Lowe's, Wal-Mart, etc. and everyone is screaming and hollering about sprawl, huge parking lots, and the little local store is being hurt.  But when Ikea comes along it's viewed as miraculous.  Perhaps because it is European that a lot of people see it as OK, but let's be honest, it is another big box store. I will certainly welcome it to the Cleveland market and have enjoyed my previous trip to the one in Pittsburgh, but I too am amused by all the hype.

 

Its more than a big box store.  People from Toledo won't drive to Cleveland to go to Home Depot, but they will make the trek for Ikea.  It's a regional big box, only available in select markets.  I've known girls that take overnight trips to Pittsburgh just to go to IKEA, and also have dinner, drinks, etc.  This is great news for Cleveland.

Whether IKEA is everyone's cup of tea or not, it is a hugely successful giant, worldwide. It is destination/event shopping due to the large assortment, trendy design and reasonable prices. These stores are generally the size of two or three Target stores so there is much to see.  Perfect for outfitting that first apartment or home, a kid's room, a spare bedroom, a dorm room, etc.... (We buy bowls, curtains, frames. Lamps, knick knacks., etc...)

 

The Brooklyn location is less about adjacent demographics (the Beachwood location also rumored would have incomes 2-3x this location) and more about the central, easily accessible, visible location to which thousands will flock weekly from east and west on 480, Akron/Canton on 77, Columbus on 71, etc...

 

CLE should have had one long ago (CLE/NEO is the last of the top 25 metros to have one built or announced . ), but good it is getting one now.

Probably the best available site. Hope it happens.

 

What about some of that undeveloped land in Garfield Heights that has been earmarked for retail but sat vacant? That's also right there on I-480 near I-77 and not far from I-271 in a pretty centrally-located location.

What about some of that undeveloped land in Garfield Heights that has been earmarked for retail but sat vacant? That's also right there on I-480 near I-77 and not far from I-271 in a pretty centrally-located location.

 

Allow me to refresh your memory....

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/03/city_view_shopping_center_in_g.html

The local furniture stores can't be happy about the idea.  There will be an inevitable 'Wal-Mart' effect.  For every customer who was willing to drive to Pittsburgh, there probably were at least 10 (or many more) who weren't.

For what I would have spent on a single crib alone at any typical baby store, at Ikea, I got: crib that converts into a toddler bed, which my son at 5 is STILL using as he hasn't outgrown it yet, crib rail covers, a very nice, big, two-drawer dresser with a removable changing table top that converts it into a regular dresser, and a sturdy wood toybox. Other than the bottom of the drawers being a thin particle board type material that sagged and had to be flipped over, i have had ZERO problems with any of this furniture. Their cribs are as highly rated for safety as some of the top brands in the country that go for many hundred dollars more. All of the furniture matches and is a nice neutral wood. I could not have even afforded JUST a crib for what I paid for all that furniture at Ikea.

 

It's a way to buy things that are functional and fashionable (if their stuff suits your fashion) but affordable. You don't have to like it, but denying their international appeal is not giving them the credit they are due.

What about some of that undeveloped land in Garfield Heights that has been earmarked for retail but sat vacant? That's also right there on I-480 near I-77 and not far from I-271 in a pretty centrally-located location.

 

Allow me to refresh your memory....

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/03/city_view_shopping_center_in_g.html

 

Oh, no, I'm perfectly aware of that. But on the other side of the freeway--not on the former landfill--is open land available for development. It's actually called "Bridgeview Crossing," and there has been some recent talk of putting an outlet center there. However it's been slow-going but if Ikea came in and put in an offer I'm sure they could obtain the land. I'm just uncertain if there is enough space.

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Clevelander17[/member] is referring to this.

http://www.craigrealtygroup.com/App_Assets/CMSDocs/LeasingBrochures/LeasingBrochure-cleveland.pdf

 

Also I'm glad for Brooklyn if it comes. Better than Beachwood or Westlake who must be in panic mode that it's not them.

^ I think a developer is trying to put outlet stores there

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140511/SUB1/305119981/outlet-mall-inches-forward

 

Re Ikea: I wasn't trying to bag on the concept. I have never been in one, and I've heard a lot of people (particularly on this board) speak in reverent tones about the store, so there must be something to it. I was just trying to understand what makes it so special to people.

Think Trader Joes. People drive ridiculous distances to get to one despite plenty of closer alternatives.

That's a good parallel example.

^ I think a developer is trying to put outlet stores there

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140511/SUB1/305119981/outlet-mall-inches-forward

 

Re Ikea: I wasn't trying to bag on the concept. I have never been in one, and I've heard a lot of people (particularly on this board) speak in reverent tones about the store, so there must be something to it. I was just trying to understand what makes it so special to people.

 

Yeah but it seems like there's been quite a lot of foot-dragging with that development. Something needs to happen with that plot of land...it really is a prime piece of real estate with high visibility, and Garfield Heights needs the revenue. Of course I would prefer office space, but that's unlikely, so the next best thing would be something high profile. The Ikea idea is a stretch, just thinking outside the box a bit.

For what I would have spent on a single crib alone at any typical baby store, at Ikea, I got: crib that converts into a toddler bed, which my son at 5 is STILL using as he hasn't outgrown it yet, crib rail covers, a very nice, big, two-drawer dresser with a removable changing table top that converts it into a regular dresser, and a sturdy wood toybox. Other than the bottom of the drawers being a thin particle board type material that sagged and had to be flipped over, i have had ZERO problems with any of this furniture. Their cribs are as highly rated for safety as some of the top brands in the country that go for many hundred dollars more. All of the furniture matches and is a nice neutral wood. I could not have even afforded JUST a crib for what I paid for all that furniture at Ikea.

 

It's a way to buy things that are functional and fashionable (if their stuff suits your fashion) but affordable. You don't have to like it, but denying their international appeal is not giving them the credit they are due.

 

Nobody is denying their 'international appeal'.  It's just not the be all end all of furniture stores.  Wal-Mart has widespread appeal, obviously...... yet many of us don't like shopping there even if we can 'Walmartize' a room for half the price of a local store.

Okay folks, this isn't the thread to discuss the merits of IKEA.

I'm not sure adding an IKEA to the market will be good or bad.  Sure, it may lure folks from Akron-Canton, Sandusky etc, but at the same time, it may close family run furniture stores like Basista and Kaplans.  In any event, being that IKEA, if they do build in Cleveland, will exist in all of America's top 25 metro areas, the days of attracting folks from all over for an IKEA has come to an end.  Like I said up-thread, very similar to Casino's.

I'm not sure adding an IKEA to the market will be good or bad.  Sure, it may lure folks from Akron-Canton, Sandusky etc, but at the same time, it may close family run furniture stores like Basista and Kaplans.  In any event, being that IKEA, if they do build in Cleveland, will exist in all of America's top 25 metro areas, the days of attracting folks from all over for an IKEA has come to an end.  Like I said up-thread, very similar to Casino's.

 

I suggest two things:

 

1.  A thread dedicated to IKEA and it's merits in Cleveland.

 

2.  Actually going to an IKEA, because there is no comparison to local furniture stores.  It offers a much large selection of ALL home goods, including decorators items, curtains, etc.  Furniture is only one component (which is also self-assemble, so once again not the same as local furniture competitors).

this is a very good site for an ikea as it is about as good as it can get. would be wise of them to go forward with it.

Yeah but it seems like there's been quite a lot of foot-dragging with that development. Something needs to happen with that plot of land...it really is a prime piece of real estate with high visibility, and Garfield Heights needs the revenue. Of course I would prefer office space, but that's unlikely, so the next best thing would be something high profile. The Ikea idea is a stretch, just thinking outside the box a bit.

 

Bridgeview is badly tangled in legal disputes. I suspect IKEA wants a site they can own free and clear -- today.

Yeah but it seems like there's been quite a lot of foot-dragging with that development. Something needs to happen with that plot of land...it really is a prime piece of real estate with high visibility, and Garfield Heights needs the revenue. Of course I would prefer office space, but that's unlikely, so the next best thing would be something high profile. The Ikea idea is a stretch, just thinking outside the box a bit.

 

Bridgeview is badly tangled in legal disputes. I suspect IKEA wants a site they can own free and clear -- today.

 

A Gordian knot would be a better word.  No major corp is going to want anything to do with that.

 

Plus the site is unfairly tagged with the same reputation as Methane Hills.

Yeah but it seems like there's been quite a lot of foot-dragging with that development. Something needs to happen with that plot of land...it really is a prime piece of real estate with high visibility, and Garfield Heights needs the revenue. Of course I would prefer office space, but that's unlikely, so the next best thing would be something high profile. The Ikea idea is a stretch, just thinking outside the box a bit.

 

Bridgeview is badly tangled in legal disputes. I suspect IKEA wants a site they can own free and clear -- today.

 

A Gordian knot would be a better word.  No major corp is going to want anything to do with that.

 

Plus the site is unfairly tagged with the same reputation as Methane Hills.

 

Eh, it does sound like a corporation is moving forward with the outlet mall at that location and there should be progress in 2015. It's just taking forever and it's wishful thinking on my part to see Ikea swoop in and put their Greater Cleveland location there.

 

No one will ever accuse Garfield Heights leadership of being forward-thinking. Even despite the battles over the pathway of I-480 through the city that occurred half a century ago, GH ended up with a prime asset (its location) that it hasn't been able to capitalize on. Regardless, for a regional draw like Ikea, the difference between Brooklyn and say Garfield Heights is negligible. There are other retailers that probably would prefer closer proximity to the Gates Mills-Beachwood-Pepper Pike-Chagrin Falls-Solon-Aurora-Hudson corridor than to the westside, but for Ikea it doesn't matter, they get that crowd just by showing up someplace in Northeast Ohio.

Yeah but it seems like there's been quite a lot of foot-dragging with that development. Something needs to happen with that plot of land...it really is a prime piece of real estate with high visibility, and Garfield Heights needs the revenue. Of course I would prefer office space, but that's unlikely, so the next best thing would be something high profile. The Ikea idea is a stretch, just thinking outside the box a bit.

 

Bridgeview is badly tangled in legal disputes. I suspect IKEA wants a site they can own free and clear -- today.

 

A Gordian knot would be a better word.  No major corp is going to want anything to do with that.

 

Plus the site is unfairly tagged with the same reputation as Methane Hills.

 

Eh, it does sound like a corporation is moving forward with the outlet mall at that location and there should be progress in 2015. It's just taking forever and it's wishful thinking on my part to see Ikea swoop in and put their Greater Cleveland location there.

 

No one will ever accuse Garfield Heights leadership of being forward-thinking. Even despite the battles over the pathway of I-480 through the city that occurred half a century ago, GH ended up with a prime asset (its location) that it hasn't been able to capitalize on. Regardless, for a regional draw like Ikea, the difference between Brooklyn and say Garfield Heights is negligible. There are other retailers that probably would prefer closer proximity to the Gates Mills-Beachwood-Pepper Pike-Chagrin Falls-Solon-Aurora-Hudson corridor than to the westside, but for Ikea it doesn't matter, they get that crowd just by showing up someplace in Northeast Ohio.

 

That's an understatement about their "leadership", they almost reach Maple Heights levels at times.  Not continuing Transportation Blvd down to Rockside didn't help City View one bit.

 

Brooklyn can play a little dirty with that perception and others if GH becomes a competitor.  When Walmart bailed on City View they talked about "safety" but weren't specific.

That's an understatement about their "leadership", they almost reach Maple Heights levels at times.  Not continuing Transportation Blvd down to Rockside didn't help City View one bit.

 

Brooklyn can play a little dirty with that perception and others if GH becomes a competitor.  When Walmart bailed on City View they talked about "safety" but weren't specific.

 

Brooklyn doesn't exactly have the most stellar reputation of quality leadership, either. And I wonder how much taxes come into play when Ikea is looking for a site?

 

FWIW, Transportation Boulevard is still slated to be expanded. Hopefully it happens sometime in my lifetime.

Meanwhile, Randall Park Mall, once the largest mall in the World is slated to have its demolition begin TOMORROW.

Meanwhile, Randall Park Mall, once the largest mall in the World is slated to have its demolition begin TOMORROW.

 

And Beachwood Place had an example of what led to RPM's decline come out:

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/large-fight-breaks-out-at-beachwood-place-mall

 

Indoor malls were once a good idea, but they are in decline wherever loitering, which they can't really control gracefully, is an issue.

I'd say incidents like the one you mentioned above at Beachwood, plus Beachwood mall itself helped lead to the demise of Randall.

 

I've been hearing of more crime at Beachwood and really am surprised General Growth has let it get as bad as it has, which for the most part is pretty mild.

 

That said the difference with Beachwood is it has quite a few stores that are only in that one location. Not least of which are Saks and Nordstrom.

 

Another difference is Randall had to contend with Beachwood, Severance, Richmond, Parmatown and Euclid Square malls in its heyday. Beachwood doesn't really have any competition.

 

I wonder if increasing crime, real or perceived has led some retailers to skip Beachwood and go to Eton?

I'd say incidents like the one you mentioned above at Beachwood, plus Beachwood mall itself helped lead to the demise of Randall.

 

I've been hearing of more crime at Beachwood and really am surprised General Growth has let it get as bad as it has, which for the most part is pretty mild.

 

That said the difference with Beachwood is it has quite a few stores that are only in that one location. Not least of which are Saks and Nordstrom.

 

Another difference is Randall had to contend with Beachwood, Severance, Richmond, Parmatown and Euclid Square malls in its heyday. Beachwood doesn't really have any competition.

 

I wonder if increasing crime, real or perceived has led some retailers to skip Beachwood and go to Eton?

 

Or Legacy.

 

Don't Saks and Nordstrom have exterior entrances as well as those inside the mall?