^they've been there for years. finally being priced out of the neighborhood?

 

Sign of the times. Same with RAM Electronics. Gone!

^they've been there for years. finally being priced out of the neighborhood?

 

Sign of the times. Same with RAM Electronics. Gone!

 

As cool as Unique Thrift was, If this leads to better design and density for that particular parcel, then I'm all for it

 

^they've been there for years. finally being priced out of the neighborhood?

 

Sign of the times. Same with RAM Electronics. Gone!

 

As cool as Unique Thrift was, If this leads to better design and density for that particular parcel, then I'm all for it

 

That would be a demolition I think most of us would support.

^they've been there for years. finally being priced out of the neighborhood?

 

Sign of the times. Same with RAM Electronics. Gone!

 

As cool as Unique Thrift was, If this leads to better design and density for that particular parcel, then I'm all for it

 

That would be a demolition I think most of us would support.

 

And the gas station next to it too.

 

By the way, there has not been density on that corner for over 50 years. I know from having grown up in OC that back in the mid-sixties (at least) there was a Pick-N-Pay grocery store there. My mom use to send me there all the time to get groceries. Pick-N-Pay eventually became Finanst (another grocery store chain), then at some point the grocery store closed. I do not know what, if anything, was in the building after the Finanst closed, or how long the building sat empty before the Unique Thrift opened.

 

Just thinking (dreaming) on my part, but it would be really great to see density put back into this location. A mix-use project of some sort that would help to marry the Market Square Area of OC with the emerging area west of Fulton Road.

 

The down side to loosing the Unique Thrift is with the needy. Where are those Clevelander's who have a need for a Unique Thrift in the OC/Clark-Fulton, or other nearby neighborhoods going to go for the things they have found there in the past. I do not know of any large thrift stores like Unique Thrift anywhere else in the area of OC/Clark-Fulton that is accessible by bus for them.

Finast, now there's a name I haven't heard in ages! My mom still occasionally slips up and mentions Finast or Rini-Rego when she's going to the grocery store.

ongoing sears/kmart troubles:

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/04/investing/sears-bankruptcy-rumors-kmart/index.html

 

 

also, bass pro shops aquiring cabelas:

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/bass-pro-shops-to-acquire-cabelas-1475500278

Yes! I was so excited when I saw the news story today for the Container Store. I practically ran back into work to tell all my coworkers lol. I've had so much fun at this store when I go down to Nashville.

 

you should be. its great news. this is a big box store that is absolutely, completely useful for everybody.

ongoing sears/kmart troubles:

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/04/investing/sears-bankruptcy-rumors-kmart/index.html

 

 

also, bass pro shops aquiring cabelas:

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/bass-pro-shops-to-acquire-cabelas-1475500278

 

My company sells product to Kmart/Sears and the suppliers of our type are all selling carefully and watching closely how quickly they pay. No stock if suppliers jittery could lead to them closing...

 

As for Bass Pro/Cabela's, this would seem to put into doubt or delay the planned Bass Pro in Boston Heights (next to new Costco and Arhaus HQ), which never broke ground, despite Costco being on Bass Pro Drive (though this store would be almost 1 hour from the Cabela's in Avon and would serve south CLE/CAK..

^ i dk, it would seem that would be a great place for a bass shop to contrast to cabelas, no?

 

i am really bummed about sears. i love their clothing selection, especially for sturdy work and winter clothing. i would miss that.

 

which reminds me, cle needs a ragstock. they have a cool mix of new and used winter wear. it would go over great in the area. i think they are from the twin cities and the nearest one is in illinois. they probably would not be too hard to entice them to open s shop or three around ne ohio.

The down side to loosing the Unique Thrift is with the needy. Where are those Clevelander's who have a need for a Unique Thrift in the OC/Clark-Fulton' date=' or other nearby neighborhoods going to go for the things they have found there in the past. I do not know of any large thrift stores like Unique Thrift anywhere else in the area of OC/Clark-Fulton that is accessible by bus for them.[/quote']

 

There's a Unique Thrift Store on Fulton, just north of Memphis. At least there used to be.....the last time i was on there was maybe over 20 years ago.

The one near Memphis has been gone for years.  It's a dollar Tree now

Alex and Ani Francesca's and alter'd state are open at beachwood place, now interestingly enough the Francesca's over at legacy is still open but Soma intimates and yogurt Vi I saw are now closed.

Alex and Ani Francesca's and alter'd state are open at beachwood place, now interestingly enough the Francesca's over at legacy is still open but Soma intimates and yogurt Vi I saw are now closed.

 

Soma remodeling/reopening November at Legacy, and Z Gallerie under construction for Nov opening, though Picciones' jewelers now gone.

 

Evereve (was "Hot Mama") opened in old Aeropostale spot at Beachwood last week, with thelong-awaited high profile Zara clothing store rumored to be opening, in a very big 2-story interior/exterior space, around 1st half November, the first if its kind from east coast to Chicago. A pretty big get for Beachwood.

 

As no other exterior expansion, beyond Zara's Saks-adjacent location , will be started this year at BP, the mall is blocking off future construction areas with fencing and paving to allow parking this Fall, with construction to resume in 2017.

Alex and Ani Francesca's and alter'd state are open at beachwood place, now interestingly enough the Francesca's over at legacy is still open but Soma intimates and yogurt Vi I saw are now closed.

 

Soma remodeling/reopening November at Legacy, and Z Gallerie under construction for Nov opening, though Picciones' jewelers now gone.

 

Evereve (was "Hot Mama") opened in old Aeropostale spot at Beachwood last week, with thelong-awaited high profile Zara clothing store rumored to be opening, in a very big 2-story interior/exterior space, around 1st half November, the first if its kind from east coast to Chicago. A pretty big get for Beachwood.

 

As no other exterior expansion, beyond Zara's Saks-adjacent location , will be started this year at BP, the mall is blocking off future construction areas with fencing and paving to allow parking this Fall, with construction to resume in 2017.

 

So is that the extent of what they have been building on the exterior of the Mall?  I just assumed it was something more.....

Apparently nobody bothered to tell Columbus or Cincinnati (or Target) that urban retail is dead.

 

Responding here, in the interest of keeping the development threads on "Target."

 

So why do you think that Cleveland can't get an urban Target? What is their draw range? Does Cincinnati or Columbus have one?

The exterior Beachwood Place construction finished for 2016 will include Zara and an attached and enclosed loading dock (to south) from what I believe. Nothing more.

Apparently nobody bothered to tell Columbus or Cincinnati (or Target) that urban retail is dead.

 

Responding here, in the interest of keeping the development threads on "Target."

 

So why do you think that Cleveland can't get an urban Target? What is their draw range? Does Cincinnati or Columbus have one?

 

 

cleveland can and most certainly will get an urban target downtown. there are now different sized targets being tested and rolled out besides the usual big box size, including the smaller targetexpress, the mini-sized citytarget and even a flexible format sized target, all for urban areas and for college town markets. so one of those formats will come along.

San Diego neighborhood doesn't want Target Express, gets one anyway!

 

I'd really love to see one open downtown. I'ts a sad fact that neither in Lakewood nor downtown CLE is there place where I can buy a pair of socks.

San Diego neighborhood doesn't want Target Express, gets one anyway!

 

I'd really love to see one open downtown. I'ts a sad fact that neither in Lakewood nor downtown CLE is there place where I can buy a pair of socks.

 

Almost any tailor sells socks (dress socks that is). I've bought socks from the tailor on East 2nd and Prospect.

San Diego neighborhood doesn't want Target Express, gets one anyway!

 

I'd really love to see one open downtown. I'ts a sad fact that neither in Lakewood nor downtown CLE is there place where I can buy a pair of socks.

 

Geiger's and, well, Geiger's... might be 10-20 bucks a pair though

 

So why do you think that Cleveland can't get an urban Target? What is their draw range? Does Cincinnati or Columbus have one?

 

Target recently announced stores across from UC and OSU.

Apparently nobody bothered to tell Columbus or Cincinnati (or Target) that urban retail is dead.

 

Responding here, in the interest of keeping the development threads on "Target."

 

So why do you think that Cleveland can't get an urban Target? What is their draw range? Does Cincinnati or Columbus have one?

 

Steelyard?

^That store definitely isn't urban. The Cbus and Cincy ones are actually going to be small and up to the curb. I think it's the "Target Express" model, which is smaller than a CityTarget.

Apparently nobody bothered to tell Columbus or Cincinnati (or Target) that urban retail is dead.

 

Responding here, in the interest of keeping the development threads on "Target."

 

So why do you think that Cleveland can't get an urban Target? What is their draw range? Does Cincinnati or Columbus have one?

 

Steelyard?

 

I don't agree that the Steelyard Target would be a deterrent in getting a smaller format urban Target in downtown CLE. As CSU, and downtown in general add more living units, and thus population, I think there will be enough of a population/demand that an urban Target will open a store downtown. Most likely in the CSU area of Chester Ave., or Euclid Ave. as part of a mixed-use project. IMO it must be in a location that is easy to walk to, or on an RTA line (even the free shuttle route).

 

As an added bonus for a downtown urban Target, an increase in hotel guest would also be a selling point for a downtown Target. Hotel guess are always needing things they either cannot take on a plane, or forgot to pack.

San Diego neighborhood doesn't want Target Express, gets one anyway!

 

I'd really love to see one open downtown. I'ts a sad fact that neither in Lakewood nor downtown CLE is there place where I can buy a pair of socks.

 

Discount Drug Martin on Detroit Ave near City Hall has socks and just about everything else.

Last Saturday I strolled through the 5th Street Arcades and was pleasantly surprised at the amount and vitality of retail there--quite a bit of foot traffic even on a nice day outside.  I have a tendency to walk down 4th street all the time between Euclid and Prospect but, in the future, will pay more attention to 5th Street.  Does anyone have any info or stats on how the 5th Street Arcades are doing retial-wise?  Financially?

I'ts a sad fact that neither in Lakewood nor downtown CLE is there place where I can buy a pair of socks.

 

Downtown:

Geiger's, Brooks Brothers, M. Lang, any of the half dozen shoe stores in Tower City

So why do you think that Cleveland can't get an urban Target? What is their draw range? Does Cincinnati or Columbus have one?

 

Target recently announced stores across from UC and OSU.

 

Don't scare me like that, originally took that to mean University Circle ;)

 

And not noteworthy retail news, but Family Dollar is going into the old Aldi's on Pearl in Brooklyn Centre. I'd imagine that they'll close their Old Brooklyn location on Pearl, less than a mile south...

^ i dk, it would seem that would be a great place for a bass shop to contrast to cabelas, no?

 

i am really bummed about sears. i love their clothing selection, especially for sturdy work and winter clothing. i would miss that.

 

which reminds me, cle needs a ragstock. they have a cool mix of new and used winter wear. it would go over great in the area. i think they are from the twin cities and the nearest one is in illinois. they probably would not be too hard to entice them to open s shop or three around ne ohio.

 

there's a ragstock in ann arbor but the best one is in chicago (boystown).  i saw a seven hills EMS uniform there.

San Diego neighborhood doesn't want Target Express, gets one anyway!

 

I'd really love to see one open downtown. I'ts a sad fact that neither in Lakewood nor downtown CLE is there place where I can buy a pair of socks.

^ I suppose the fact that I can't name a single store that's inside Tower City is an indictment on me lol.

^ I suppose the fact that I can't name a single store that's inside Tower City is an indictment on me lol.

In Lakewood: Dollar General, Family Dollar, Marc's. I mean they're not gourmet socks, but they're sock socks.

And I'll again note Discount Drug Mart. It's a department store. Not a luxury one at all. But it's got darn near everything in there. Clothing. Shoes. Jewelry. Groceries. Toys. Lawn & garden. Houseware. Hardware. Everything.

But are their socks organic and GMO free??

But are their socks organic and GMO free??

 

That's a constant source of concern!

 

Sincerely,

Al Gore

 

p.s. I will happily check discount Drug Mart, I have never been in there actually. Marcs....well I found it really awful. Maybe it deserves a second chance. Thanks for the advice!

i took these shots this past weekend --

 

this is the new 19k sqft target express that just opened in center city on chestnut/12th st in philadelphia in july -- yep it has a starbucks.

 

 

 

here is the back of it on sansom st

 

 

 

another one is opening on chestnut/19th st as well -- 21k (sqft).

 

and i think one by the museum and another somewhere else around downtown:

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/retail/20160721_Target_s_new_store_puts_a_bull_s-eye_on_Center_City.html

 

so basically these millennial focused mini-targets are well on their way to a downtown or college town campus area near you.

 

 

I go to City Targets relatively often; they aren't really geared just for millenials but rather everyone i.e. tourists, white and blue collar workforces, inner city populations, etc.

 

Now a Wal-Mart grocery store is more specific to the millenial market.

It would be absolutely amazing if Nucleus got a city Target...

Just testing the temperature here. But would forumers want a City Target more than a local store, like Discount Drug, or is City target considered a big "get." I understand what investment in our city by national chains means, but a local store that meets the need would be great to right?

 

I bring up Discount Drug because they were (are) interested in a downtown location, but the location they want won't be ready until the completion of another potential development.

Just testing the temperature here. But would forumers want a City Target more than a local store, like Discount Drug, or is City target considered a big "get." I understand what investment in our city by national chains means, but a local store that meets the need would be great to right?

 

I bring up Discount Drug because they were (are) interested in a downtown location, but the location they want won't be ready until the completion of another potential development.

 

Neither!  I'm not a millennial, but neither store appeals to me.  I would like one for residents, and to show we can support varying stores in a robust Downtown, but It's not something I believe is "all that" or a need.

 

There is a City Target by me in Westwood.  It's one of the original "city" Target before they dropped the sub brand names.  To me it's a gathering ground of poorly dressed bad smelling people.

Pay no never mind to MTS, unless the store has concierge parking, Dom Perignon served to gold card clients, and the decorative animals fart glitter, he ain't gonna set his Gucci loafers in there.

 

I think a City Target, although not a classy store, would be a statement that downtown Cleveland has arrived, and people would shop there just because a national retailer has finally come downtown.

 

Discount Drug Mart is seen as a low-income store in Lakewood, but it shed its ghetto rep when they moved into their new, larger store. And I must say that when I can't find what I'm looking for at most other stores in the area (even the full-size Target on West 117th at I-90), I can almost always find it at Drug Mart. So Drug Mart is probably much more useful than City Target, but City Target would probably get traffic just because of its name/rep.

 

Edit: I'm still trying to decipher which potential developments you're talking about in your second paragraph. Very intriguing!

I go to City Targets relatively often; they aren't really geared just for millenials but rather everyone i.e. tourists, white and blue collar workforces, inner city populations, etc.

 

Now a Wal-Mart grocery store is more specific to the millenial market.

 

 

that depends on how much you think the whole back to the city movement is millenial-based.

 

also, besides downtowns, dont forget the other major focus of these mini-targets are collegetown neighborhoods.

 

I would prefer a City Target. The reason is there are already two CVS stores downtown. Nothing wrong with Drug Mart, but I don't see them offering anything different.

 

A small target store on the other hand, I think would.

Pay no never mind to MTS, unless the store has concierge parking, Dom Perignon served to gold card clients, and the decorative animals fart glitter, he ain't gonna set his Gucci loafers in there.

 

I think a City Target, although not a classy store, would be a statement that downtown Cleveland has arrived, and people would shop there just because a national retailer has finally come downtown.

 

Discount Drug Mart is seen as a low-income store in Lakewood, but it shed its ghetto rep when they moved into their new, larger store. And I must say that when I can't find what I'm looking for at most other stores in the area (even the full-size Target on West 117th at I-90), I can almost always find it at Drug Mart. So Drug Mart is probably much more useful than City Target, but City Target would probably get traffic just because of its name/rep.

 

Edit: I'm still trying to decipher which potential developments you're talking about in your second paragraph. Very intriguing!

 

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All, please note.  There is no such thing as "city" or "express" target.  It's just Target, period.

City Target for sure. I love Drug Mart for their massive and odd assortment of stuff, but you literally cannot get 90% of the stuff a Target shopper would want there. It's more like well, if it's an emergency, like I'm out an my sock ripped and I'll take ANY pair of socks, I could buy some at Drug Mart to get through the rest of the day. Whereas Target is more like, ok, I want some new workout socks and some new dress socks and some knee socks with coffee pots or bugs on them or something fun like that, and I need to get some of my new lotion and some nice candles and my kid needs a new backpack.

 

There is a reason moms joke about the "$100 rule" at Target - like it's hard to go shopping there and spend less than that because you always see more things you forgot you needed (or that you just "want"). Drug Mart, to me, is more like, ok if there's nowhere else around that's a real store, I'll get the item at a drugstore.

 

The only drugstore I actually go out of my way to shop at is Walgreens as they have some of the bath/shower products I like, the specific hair products I like, and Target is too far away for those things if I just need to stop real quick on my way home. I think CVS and Walgreens have much better offerings than DrugMart. Drug Mart wins on variety, but that's it.

Although Downtown Cleveland has an increasing population, I just don't see a Target surviving down there at this point. Even an express-target.  That's still an awfully big store.

 

It's interesting though that Downtown Cleveland (and most downtowns of similar population) don't really have a practical place to buy household items and that doesn't seem to get addressed. I'm thinking of electronics likes TVs, laptops, tablets, housewares and even small furniture.

^ that's probably true. greater center city philadelphia, which is a stretch because that is bigger than what you think of as center city as it goes from south philly up to temple, northern liberties and fishtown, has like 200k residents. however, cinci and cols are getting targets near their campus areas, so dont forget the college campus focus is there for these stores as well.

 

 

 

All, please note.  There is no such thing as "city" or "express" target.  It's just Target, period.

 

 

no and yes. there most certainly were city target and target express stores for the past two years, up until a couple months ago when they dropped all that. the very first one was in dinkytown in minneapolis and it was a target express. now they all are just called target publically and flexible format targets internally.

 

it was the right thing to do because publically everyone just calls them target anyway.

 

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^ that's probably true. greater center city philadelphia, which is a stretch because that is bigger than what you think of as center city as it goes from south philly up to temple, northern liberties and fishtown, has like 200k residents. however, cinci and cols are getting targets near their campus areas, so dont forget the college campus focus is there for these stores as well.

 

 

 

All, please note.  There is no such thing as "city" or "express" target.  It's just Target, period.

 

 

no and yes. there most certainly were city target and target express stores for the past two years, up until a couple months ago when they dropped all that. the very first one was in dinkytown in minneapolis and it was a target express. now they all are just called target publically and flexible format targets internally.

 

it was the right thing to do because publically everyone just calls them target anyway.

 

Today there is not such thing.  Per Target [professional hat on] a couple months ago, had a brand meeting about our portfolio of products. The original stores as I indicated earlier, were "city" or "express", however according to Targets own research, guests just used the term "Target", as people thought the stores were less than or had irregular or inferior products.  Some guest equated them to "outlets' where they off loaded overstock or poorly selling merchandise, so they decided to drop "city" and "express" and customize each store at a local level. [professional hat off]

 

We're saying the same thing, but I've given context.

 

This is why I believe a store can do well and will help attracting more people to live Downtown. A good location would be the bottom of the East Flats and in the high teen/low 20s on Carniege, Prospect, Chester or Payne.  Reserve Square could be a great spot.

^  Flats East Bank would be a pretty bad location for a Target, imo. Too far removed from the majority of downtown households