January 28, 20196 yr Apparently Coldwater Creek is making a brick and mortar comeback and will be opening at Legacy Village as well as Lovesac
January 28, 20196 yr 8 minutes ago, osu87 said: Apparently Coldwater Creek is making a brick and mortar comeback and will be opening at Legacy Village as well as Lovesac Jesus....how 'meh' can we get here
January 29, 20196 yr Lovesac? I assume that that's not safe to google at work. especially an image search....
January 30, 20196 yr Now THAT'S the kind of Lakewood I knew and loved when I moved here 22 years ago...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 18, 20196 yr On 2/15/2019 at 3:49 PM, osu87 said: Rumor is J crew will be moving to Pinecrest From Beachwood? ?♂️ So much for no poaching
February 18, 20196 yr Question. Can someone explain the difference in the retail scene between Cleveland and Columbus? Both have about the same population in their counties (although headed in different directions) so I wouldn't think size is the issue. I understand L Brands is based there and that helps but there are L brand stores in Cincy that still haven't touched down in Cleveland, the larger market. Growing retail stores that haven't opened stores in Ohio yet seem to choose Columbus first before here consistently and that confuses me as well. The tone between the Cleveland retail thread and Columbus are completely different, they have new stores opening in their retail centers, we have stores that are simply reshuffling. Is it down to the developers of these retail centers dropping the ball? Oversaturation? Demographics? I'm genuinely confused.
February 18, 20196 yr 24 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Question. Can someone explain the difference in the retail scene between Cleveland and Columbus? Both have about the same population in their counties (although headed in different directions) so I wouldn't think size is the issue. I understand L Brands is based there and that helps but there are L brand stores in Cincy that still haven't touched down in Cleveland, the larger market. Growing retail stores that haven't opened stores in Ohio yet seem to choose Columbus first before here consistently and that confuses me as well. The tone between the Cleveland retail thread and Columbus are completely different, they have new stores opening in their retail centers, we have stores that are simply reshuffling. Is it down to the developers of these retail centers dropping the ball? Oversaturation? Demographics? I'm genuinely confused. Most of the retail in Columbus is centered around short north/high north near the OSU campus, catering to the massive student population. In most tier 2 cities, the that 3 C's are it's definitely a struggle to land large brand retailers in the urban core. What I have definitely noticed is that Columbus and Cincy definitely have a local growing brick and mortar retail community that has been added through gentrification and various start up accelator programs.
February 18, 20196 yr Large national chains are looking at growth rates as much as at population or income.
February 18, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said: Question. Can someone explain the difference in the retail scene between Cleveland and Columbus? Both have about the same population in their counties (although headed in different directions) so I wouldn't think size is the issue. I understand L Brands is based there and that helps but there are L brand stores in Cincy that still haven't touched down in Cleveland, the larger market. Growing retail stores that haven't opened stores in Ohio yet seem to choose Columbus first before here consistently and that confuses me as well. The tone between the Cleveland retail thread and Columbus are completely different, they have new stores opening in their retail centers, we have stores that are simply reshuffling. Is it down to the developers of these retail centers dropping the ball? Oversaturation? Demographics? I'm genuinely confused. Columbus also has three malls or major shopping areas, Tuttle, Polaris and Easton. Westland and Eastland malls are dead malls. Cleveland has Crocker Park, Great Northern, South Park, Great Lakes Mall, Beachwood Mall, Legacy Village, Eton Collection and Pinecrest. Not to mention other large retail draws and Power Centers like Golden gate/Eastgate. There are too many retail centers for the current retail landscape. The eastern Cuyahoga County area has some of the best demographics at a national level. I've heard the Saks and Nordstrom there have above average sales per foot. That saidI think the oversaturation of retail centers and X's point about growth rates have something to do with it. Columbus is also a test market for a lot of brands, so there may be something to that as well.
February 18, 20196 yr On 2/6/2019 at 9:36 PM, freethink said: Your move... https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2019/01/02/rick-doody-of-coastal-taco-and-lindeys-lake-house-to-open-new-concept-in-lakewood 2 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: Question. Can someone explain the difference in the retail scene between Cleveland and Columbus? Both have about the same population in their counties (although headed in different directions) so I wouldn't think size is the issue. I understand L Brands is based there and that helps but there are L brand stores in Cincy that still haven't touched down in Cleveland, the larger market. Growing retail stores that haven't opened stores in Ohio yet seem to choose Columbus first before here consistently and that confuses me as well. The tone between the Cleveland retail thread and Columbus are completely different, they have new stores opening in their retail centers, we have stores that are simply reshuffling. Is it down to the developers of these retail centers dropping the ball? Oversaturation? Demographics? I'm genuinely confused. First off, the key shopping centers in the Cleveland market draw from the larger Cleveland/Akron/Canton area - which is 1+MM larger in population than annexed "Columbus"... Based on that population Cleveland is far worse off in upscale retail of the kind I think is being referred to here. With that said... This retail junkie thinks a few things are at play here.. Columbus is younger and growing - a plus to retailers. It may have several key shopping areas, but Easton is the main event... Easton (Steiner) had a blank slate of outer ring land to work with and essentially created the lifestyle (upscale, outdoor) center as the country now knows it - and they are relentless in trying to draw new retailers that normally would not think "Columbus"... boxing well above its (otherwise) retail weight. Easton is also a huge draw to the many convention visitors as well as those attending state events (something Columbus reaps the huge rewards app state capital) - while Polaris (the area) had another big tract of land to build the mall, IKEA (which would have been in CLE earlier/at all had the EPA not thwarted Brooklyn suburb plans), Top Golf and more - all 15 mins from Easton. Both areas serve different purposes but would say the areas directly compete for the same retailers... The complement or have additional outlets. "Cleveland" on the other hand, though a larger market and with the 3 major sports teams, etc... is an older market, not growing much. While much of the Cleveland eastern suburbs have the kind of demographics ($$$) that retailers love - Cleveland also has the peculiar position of having what has to be about the largest # of major lifestyle centers (4) of pretty much any city in the country (LA-aside, perhaps...) -Legacy Village, Eton, Pinecrest (all run by local developers who haven't hit the big time like Steiner did with Easton can = don't have the weight or will to convince retailers they have to be in their centers..) + Crocker Park (the most Easton like of the bunch, but the second choice for retailers seeking the east side demographics, 45 mins away). Add in Beachwood Place, still in holding as a new owner takes control of former GGP properties -and instead of the Columbus scenario of two major shopping areas - Easton and Polaris (and maybe Tuttle as a weak 3rd... - you have 5 in CLE (Eton, Pinecrest, Legacy, Crocker, Beachwood) + a major local mall in Strongsville's SouthPark + big local draws at Summit Mall in Akron and Belden Village in Canton. Long story short, if Cleveland had ONE major lifestyle center/mall like Easton - didn't have the east/west/Akron/Canton segementation that it has, and had decelopers who knew how to lease like Steiner - it would be a huge draw/powerhouse... But the available land and the retail market is too fragmented and too already-announced (With that said, retailers/restaurants like Shake Shack and LL Bean have in recent years opened their first Ohio stores in CLE - while Restoration Hardware Gallery, True Foods Kitchen and others (despite being in plans for Pinecrest and Beachwood Place in recent years) will open in Columbus first.) And so it goes... (Note: J. Crew IS exercising its right to relocate to Pinecrest after 22 years at Beachwood Place - as noted above and Eton IS planning to expand to the west.... past Trader Joe's...) Edited February 18, 20196 yr by eyehrtfood
February 18, 20196 yr Bottom line is Columbus is growing and Cleveland isn’t. It drives me crazy, but it’s the way it is
February 18, 20196 yr 45 minutes ago, mack34 said: Bottom line is Columbus is growing and Cleveland isn’t. It drives me crazy, but it’s the way it is You sure? Let's see what the 2020 data shows. There are some leading indicators from 2017 and especially 2018 that suggest something rather important has happened here in the last year or two. I don't know if it's sustainable, but considering that significant job growth is occurring across 8 of 10 measured sectors, that the 9th ("Other") is flat and the 10th ("Info services") is the smallest sector locally, I would say it might just be sustainable depending on the national economy. Edited February 18, 20196 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 21, 20196 yr On 2/18/2019 at 1:17 PM, eyehrtfood said: (With that said, retailers/restaurants like Shake Shack and LL Bean have in recent years opened their first Ohio stores in CLE - while Restoration Hardware Gallery, True Foods Kitchen and others (despite being in plans for Pinecrest and Beachwood Place in recent years) will open in Columbus first.) Don't forget, picky Euro retailer "we will never go into smaller (ie: fat people) US markets"... Zara, also opened the first Ohio store at Beachwood Place. CLE was actually one of the first smaller markets in the country for Zara to open in. Edited February 21, 20196 yr by metrocity
February 21, 20196 yr On 2/18/2019 at 2:17 PM, eyehrtfood said: Cleveland is far worse off in upscale retail of the kind I think is being referred to here. But where do people from Columbus have to go to get them some Hermès? ?
February 21, 20196 yr Should I have to re-title this thread "Columbus: Retail News II?!?!?" "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 21, 20196 yr Coincidentally enough, I hear a - yet to be verified - rumor that the short list of tenants for the Euclid Grand include: Apple, Swarovski, Lululemon, and Saks Off Fifth. I will try to confirm that with someone I know, so don't yet rely on that information - but a fun little speculation nugget nonetheless. In my opinion, if you land at least 2 of those, that changes the whole dynamic for Geiger's sustainability and the future of retail down that strip of Euclid.
February 21, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Coincidentally enough, I hear a - yet to be verified - rumor that the short list of tenants for the Euclid Grand include: Apple, Swarovski, Lululemon, and Saks Off Fifth. I will try to confirm that with someone I know, so don't yet rely on that information - but a fun little speculation nugget nonetheless. In my opinion, if you land at least 2 of those, that changes the whole dynamic for Geiger's sustainability and the future of retail down that strip of Euclid. Excuse me what? This sounds extremely unlikely, not only by demographics but also logistically. Euclid Grand is not designed for stores that size and would need to undergo some extreme renovation.
February 21, 20196 yr 10 minutes ago, tklg said: Excuse me what? This sounds extremely unlikely, not only by demographics but also logistically. Euclid Grand is not designed for stores that size and would need to undergo some extreme renovation. Like I said, unverified and speculative, just figured I'd share. . But the lady I heard it from works for a commercial realty company downtown and would, at the very least, know better than I.
February 21, 20196 yr What??? If a single one of those were true I would be astounded! Edited February 21, 20196 yr by mrclifton88
February 21, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, tklg said: Excuse me what? This sounds extremely unlikely, not only by demographics but also logistically. Euclid Grand is not designed for stores that size and would need to undergo some extreme renovation. I agree it's unlikely, but re. the extreme renovation, may I introduce you to this thread: Edited February 21, 20196 yr by StapHanger
February 21, 20196 yr Trying to tamp down on my hopefully not premature excitement over a possible Off 5th downtown... In such a scenario, I wonder if they would then close up the location in dump of Aurora Farms? The Pittsburgh market has two Off 5th's, but they don't have a Saks. Although, San Antonio has two along with a Saks.
February 21, 20196 yr That would be pretty amazing but I cant help but think this is extremely unlikely, at least with the current makeup of downtown. I wonder, YABO713, if you can ask your source for a bit more info?
February 21, 20196 yr 4 hours ago, tklg said: ahh I was confused with Euclid Grand The JHB is Euclid Grand...
February 22, 20196 yr 23 hours ago, mrclifton88 said: That would be pretty amazing but I cant help but think this is extremely unlikely, at least with the current makeup of downtown. I wonder, YABO713, if you can ask your source for a bit more info? Actually, this seems plausible. I was originally thinking euclid grand arcade. If 925 Building finishes makeover along with the rest of Euclid residential projects, the demographics could support these retail operations when combined with the CBD work force.
February 22, 20196 yr ^I can't blame you, because the names are hilariously confusing at this point, but note that these are four separate buildings: *"Euclid Grand" (the JHB project) *The Arcade (the big arcade on the north side of Euclid) *Euclid Arcade (one of the "5th Street Arcades" *Grand Arcade ( in the Warehouse District and not really an arcade)
February 26, 20196 yr @YABO713 got married last weekend so we won't hear from him for a while. But I know others here have good ears too. So if there's anything you want to share by PM, you know I'll keep your ID off the record. ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 20, 20196 yr So the new again Coldwater Creek will be next to Soft Surroundings at Legacy Village and Lovesac in the old Francesca’s space there
March 22, 20196 yr ZGallerie at Legacy Village is closing once again this is the second time they have been at Legacy Village they just filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection again on March 11, They will close 17 of their stores under restructuring
April 4, 20196 yr CLEVELAND WANTS TO BAN DOLLAR STORES FROM CITY Lawmakers say the stores have little selection of fresh foods and pay workers lower wages than grocery stores https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-wants-to-ban-dollar-stores-from-city/95-11b81231-e022-4c21-80ba-45a54985b717 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 4, 20196 yr I would be curious to see how this legislation is written. I can't imagine something like this standing in court.
April 4, 20196 yr Article about trying to keep Beachwood mall viable. https://www.cleveland.com/community/2019/04/beachwood-mayor-horwitz-says-zoning-changes-needed-to-keep-mall-commercial-areas-viable.html
April 8, 20196 yr Thought this would be relevant here. I created a petition for a City-Target in downtown CLE. Please sign if you think this would be great for the city ? thanks. http://chng.it/Kq892fPV7q
April 8, 20196 yr On 4/3/2019 at 10:48 PM, X said: I would be curious to see how this legislation is written. I can't imagine something like this standing in court. I searched the meeting agendas for this but couldn't find it. Maybe someone with better city council searching mojo could find it.
April 8, 20196 yr 35 minutes ago, Cavalier Attitude said: I searched the meeting agendas for this but couldn't find it. Maybe someone with better city council searching mojo could find it. You can put a cap on types of uses. The city I work for have a cap on gas stations and we have enforced it. Im sure it's been challenged in court as most cities have this.
April 9, 20196 yr You can put a cap on types of uses. But I can't imagine that "dollar store" is going to hold up as a special type beyond general convenience retail.
April 9, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, X said: You can put a cap on types of uses. But I can't imagine that "dollar store" is going to hold up as a special type beyond general convenience retail. Unsure, but we did do it for loan and title stores. However said stores got around it by getting called something else in state legistlation. Money talks.
April 9, 20196 yr You can restrict activities, but those restrictions have to apply equally to businesses. So are we going to restrict selling assorted goods for a dollar?
April 9, 20196 yr While I don't know what the city's ordinance says, in order for it to pass legal muster, it can require that all stores with permits to sell grocery items must offer at least X percent of their retail display area to consumables with at least X percent nutritional value, or something like that. I don't see how the city could legally block stores from operating based on their corporate names or that they seek to offer retail items at very low prices. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 9, 20196 yr Dollar Tree and Dollar General are not even the same concept! I have never been in Family Dollar so I’m not too familiar with them. This ban makes no sense. These stores aren’t putting grocery stores out of business, they are filling a retail need that was not being fulfilled previously. Are they fine with convenient stores and drug stores selling similar products at inflated prices?
April 9, 20196 yr A good (relatively short) podcast about dollar stores, and how Dollar Tree and Dollar General have decided to go in different strategic directions.
April 20, 20196 yr Speaking of Dollar General they are rolling out a new concept called DGX which is geared toward downtown urban residents. And according to design review one is slated for Reserve Square. It is a signage request from December. Does anyone know if this has opened. I don't see it listed on a location search. I mean it's not a City Target, but if Target doesn't believe in us maybe DG does. Here is a story about DGX. https://www.moderncities.com/article/2018-jan-dollar-general-investing-in-cities-with-dgx-concept
April 20, 20196 yr Not Cleveland-specific, but general context for the city: "While a new report by investment firm USB estimates 75,000 more U.S. stores could close by 2026 as the shift to online shopping expands, it appears that the grocery sector continues bucking that trend." https://www.nreionline.com/retail/despite-retail-apocalypse-us-grocery-store-openings-jumped-30-percent-2018
April 20, 20196 yr On 4/3/2019 at 10:14 PM, KJP said: CLEVELAND WANTS TO BAN DOLLAR STORES FROM CITY Lawmakers say the stores have little selection of fresh foods and pay workers lower wages than grocery stores https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/cleveland-wants-to-ban-dollar-stores-from-city/95-11b81231-e022-4c21-80ba-45a54985b717 Dumbest idea ever. I recall Forbes railing against the mom and pop stores on the Triv show around 2000 or so, and being tempted to call to suggest that with the clout he and his colleagues had they could start their own stores that wouldn't face the challenges the small independents do. The dollar stores, to a degree, have managed this.
April 20, 20196 yr 43 minutes ago, Pugu said: Not Cleveland-specific, but general context for the city: "While a new report by investment firm USB estimates 75,000 more U.S. stores could close by 2026 as the shift to online shopping expands, it appears that the grocery sector continues bucking that trend." https://www.nreionline.com/retail/despite-retail-apocalypse-us-grocery-store-openings-jumped-30-percent-2018 Perishability is still a factor holding back online shopping. But also, the grocery stores have been a hell of a lot more proactive about recognizing the disdain a significant part of their customer base has for in-person shopping, especially during crowded periods. Late hours, delivery services, pickup arrangements, and even self-checkouts are the result.
April 28, 20196 yr Noticed that Sephora is going to be opening next to pottery barn at Pinecrest I assume it will be leaving Beachwood Place then.
May 4, 20196 yr On 4/27/2019 at 9:48 PM, osu87 said: Noticed that Sephora is going to be opening next to pottery barn at Pinecrest I assume it will be leaving Beachwood Place then. Who knows. Sephora is like Starbucks and The Gap, they love to over-saturate a market.
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