18 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

I’ve often wondered if things continue at this rate at Beachwood if Nordstrom or Saks would ever jump ship and move to the west side (like Crocker Park area) ...?  Maybe not a valid concern but always been a thought in my mind. 

 

I'll bet Nordstrom goes to Eton or Pinecrest instead.

1 minute ago, KJP said:

 

I'll bet Nordstrom goes to Eton or Pinecrest instead.

Downtown??? maybe

43 minutes ago, freefourur said:

Downtown??? maybe

They’d probably leave the region before opening downtown. 

19 minutes ago, JSC216 said:

They’d probably leave the region before opening downtown. 

yeah, i know it

13 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I'll bet Nordstrom goes to Eton or Pinecrest instead.

True--way more OLD money on the east side.  

13 hours ago, JSC216 said:

They’d probably leave the region before opening downtown. 

 

In Indianapolis, Nordstrom moved from a failing downtown mail to the suburbs maybe 10 years ago - so stores have moved in recent years in Midwest just the opposite way.  Indy's suburbs booming in a way CLE wouldn't understand.

 

I think Beachwood Place just going through a rough retail time when many chains closing some or all stores + a few perhaps underperforming stores specific to this mall (as has every mall)  - but just hitting all at once = perception isn't a good one. 

 

I'd think the anchors are OK (Nord more than Saks) but would think they'd have concerns and demand some action by mall owners. I could see Saks closing in the market if things remained bad. I could see Nord relocating... though Pinecrest is only east side current shopping where it would fit.

 

Note: Saks already cut stor size by 5K-10K SF when it closed the in-mall sections mayne 5-7 years ago. Also, Nordstrom Beachwood is big by current new Nord store standards.... 3 floors and around 210K SF if I recall when current Nord prototype is 2 floors and 140K SF (Cbus, PIT, Indy)

 

I could see Crocker being a second store but not the only store if Nordstrom ever moved.

 

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said:

 

In Indianapolis, Nordstrom moved from a failing downtown mail to the suburbs maybe 10 years ago - so stores have moved in recent years in Midwest just the opposite way.  Indy's suburbs booming in a way CLE wouldn't understand.

 

I think Beachwood Place just going through a rough retail time when many chains closing some or all stores + a few perhaps underperforming stores specific to this mall (as has every mall)  - but just hitting all at once = perception isn't a good one. 

 

I'd think the anchors are OK (Nord more than Saks) but would think they'd have concerns and demand some action by mall owners. I could see Saks closing in the market if things remained bad. I could see Nord relocating... though Pinecrest is only east side current shopping where it would fit.

 

Note: Saks already cut stor size by 5K-10K SF when it closed the in-mall sections mayne 5-7 years ago. Also, Nordstrom Beachwood is big by current new Nord store standards.... 3 floors and around 210K SF if I recall when current Nord prototype is 2 floors and 140K SF (Cbus, PIT, Indy)

 

I could see Crocker being a second store but not the only store if Nordstrom ever moved.

 

 

 

 

 

Indianapolis has places like Carmel, where much of my family lives. But I think culturally there's a difference, though, too. Indianapolis' "yuppies" are moving to Carmel and a handful of other suburbs, where walkability is still an option but, to be frank, there's less diversity. 

 

I think the trend in Cleveland retail is starkly different from that of Indy. 

1 hour ago, eyehrtfood said:

 Indy's suburbs booming in a way CLE wouldn't understand.

 

 

Please explain! I know nothing about Indianapolis.

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/01/20/end-of-the-line-for-petersons-nuts-on-carnegie

 

No more Petersons ? I haven't been there in years. I'm sure they would have done much better business if they were in a more central downtown location. 

3 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

Indianapolis has places like Carmel, where much of my family lives. But I think culturally there's a difference, though, too. Indianapolis' "yuppies" are moving to Carmel and a handful of other suburbs, where walkability is still an option but, to be frank, there's less diversity. 

 

I think the trend in Cleveland retail is starkly different from that of Indy. 

 

I'm from Indiana. My 4 siblings and most of their kids live in Carmel/adjacent - which I once thought I'd like - but don't. They live their lives within an area about 3 miles this way and that way - rarely venturing outside -  because everything they need they feel is in that perfect little Carmel strip mall box. They are adding much retail but Indy is the king of bad/abandoned strip malls. 

 

 

Edited January 20, 20205 yr by eyehrtfood

Does anyone know when Peterson's nuts closed downtown? It looks like King nut moved Peterson's to their headquarters and now their website barely even mentions them. I'll miss Peterson's before Indians games...

I haven't seen anything directly related to the Cleveland location and I cannot recall if this location is one that is run by Kroger

 

 

Lucky’s Closing 32 Stores, Laying Off Associates

 

In what appears to be a developing story, on the heels of The Kroger Co.'s decision to divest its interest in Lucky’s Market, the Boulder, Colo.-based natural food retailer is apparently planning to shutter as many as 32 of its 39 stores in 10 states and lay off the staffs of the affected locations, according to a burst of social media messages, various local news reports and a source with knowledge of the matter.

 

Continue reading here: https://progressivegrocer.com/luckys-closing-32-stores-laying-associates

 

Also from USAToday: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/21/luckys-market-store-closings-colorado-chain-closing-stores/4531859002/

Yikes! That would be a big blow... must be some serious mis-management because the Cleveland location is always busy.  

 

If it does close, I can only hope that another grocer wants to fill the space. 

3 minutes ago, ML11 said:

Yikes! That would be a big blow... must be some serious mis-management because the Cleveland location is always busy.  

 

If it does close, I can only hope that another grocer wants to fill the space. 

Please not Giant Eagle.  Please not Giant Eagle.  Please....

I thought Giant Eagle had a store on the property previously, then shut it down to drive people to the larger store at W117 and I-90, and then actively fought to keep any competing grocers out. 

 

At the very least, I hope Lucky's has demonstrated to other grocers (hello Heinens or Trader Joe's?) that there are more than enough customers in the area who want an alternative to Giant Eagle.  

10 minutes ago, ML11 said:

I thought Giant Eagle had a store on the property previously, then shut it down to drive people to the larger store at W117 and I-90, and then actively fought to keep any competing grocers out. 

 

At the very least, I hope Lucky's has demonstrated to other grocers (hello Heinens or Trader Joe's?) that there are more than enough customers in the area who want an alternative to Giant Eagle.  

Both of those brands are limited to higher end markets, especially Trader Joe’s which has insane market requirements. 

42 minutes ago, musky said:

I haven't seen anything directly related to the Cleveland location and I cannot recall if this location is one that is run by Kroger

 

 

Lucky’s Closing 32 Stores, Laying Off Associates

 

In what appears to be a developing story, on the heels of The Kroger Co.'s decision to divest its interest in Lucky’s Market, the Boulder, Colo.-based natural food retailer is apparently planning to shutter as many as 32 of its 39 stores in 10 states and lay off the staffs of the affected locations, according to a burst of social media messages, various local news reports and a source with knowledge of the matter.

 

Continue reading here: https://progressivegrocer.com/luckys-closing-32-stores-laying-associates

 

Also from USAToday: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/21/luckys-market-store-closings-colorado-chain-closing-stores/4531859002/

 

Ouch. Those odds are not good. That Lucky's is better than Trader Joes. And a million times better than Giant Eagle. 

I live in Lakewood and received a flyer from Lucky's in the mail which had discounts for each week. Something like 20% off for one week and other discounts for other weeks. I thought it might be a sign that we aren't doing well.  But who knows. 

10 minutes ago, JSC216 said:

Both of those brands are limited to higher end markets, especially Trader Joe’s which has insane market requirements. 

 

if I may put in my 2 cents: the irony of Trader Joe's is that it is not very expensive. In fact, on staples, the store brands are actually cheaper (in some case much more so) than established supermarket chains. There's a reason TJ stores are always so busy! I see people who appear to be from a very wide variety of demographic groups shopping there whenever I go (unlike Whole Foods, for example?). I still cannot understand why there aren't more in Ohio, especially in the 3C's. I think at least two more could be added in the Cleveland area alone. But I do know (probably from past info on this website) that they do have strict "market requirements," as you put it. 

17 minutes ago, freefourur said:

I live in Lakewood and received a flyer from Lucky's in the mail which had discounts for each week. Something like 20% off for one week and other discounts for other weeks. I thought it might be a sign that we aren't doing well.  But who knows. 

 

I don't think that's the case, they've been sending discount flyers out (at least in my neighborhood) since they've opened. Heinens doesn't mail them, but they post discounts on their site weekly. It's common practice.

So....

 

26 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

I don't think that's the case, they've been sending discount flyers out (at least in my neighborhood) since they've opened. Heinens doesn't mail them, but they post discounts on their site weekly. It's common practice.

Good to hear. 

Both Ohio stores are staying open.

Despite the rapid number of closures at Beachwood over the last couple months, I'm optimistic that they'll be able to fill at least the smaller spaces fairly quickly.  New York & Company and Akira moved in not long after J. Crew and the other tenant vacated.  I could see fast-growing brands like Aerie or even Hollister's Gilly Hicks coming to Beachwood.  Mall ownership has said numerous times over the years how they've had to turn away prospective tenants due to such a high occupancy rate.  With spaces of all sizes now available, here's their chance.

Edited January 21, 20205 yr by SgtBarone

 

I was in there tonight. Talked to one of their managers. He said their store has outperformed their numbers every quarter they’ve been open. 

One more coming blow to Beachwood Place: the Papyrus card/gift store is closing all nationwide stores - so the upper level will soon have another vacancy..

 

Also, the Hanna Andersson kids clothing store recently closed - though appears the Crocker Park location staying open... another not-good sign...

*Ahem*

 

New store being built = Development thread

 

Retailer opening in newly built space = gray area, but probably best for Retail thread

 

Store (potentially) closing = Retail thread

 

?

 

 

 

Huge relief that it's staying open, and glad to hear that it's doing so well (which I'd expect given the crowds I see there all the time.)

 

Also nice to see it outperforming other locations throughout the country, although it doesn't take a genius to know that you should never go up against Publix in Florida. 

On 1/20/2020 at 1:36 PM, YABO713 said:

 

Indianapolis has places like Carmel, where much of my family lives. But I think culturally there's a difference, though, too. Indianapolis' "yuppies" are moving to Carmel and a handful of other suburbs, where walkability is still an option but, to be frank, there's less diversity. 

 

I think the trend in Cleveland retail is starkly different from that of Indy. 

 

a bit off topic I know, but another kind of culture thrives in Carmel, Indiana, home to a major performing arts center. I'm not sure how this was located there, but I know Michael Feinstein was one of the people instrumental in getting this built. Have you ever been there? 

 

https://thecenterpresents.org/

17 hours ago, eastvillagedon said:

 

a bit off topic I know, but another kind of culture thrives in Carmel, Indiana, home to a major performing arts center. I'm not sure how this was located there, but I know Michael Feinstein was one of the people instrumental in getting this built. Have you ever been there? 

 

https://thecenterpresents.org/

 

Lol yes, we're going to catch the mods wrath - nonetheless, the entire town center is branded as an "arts district", though, to be frank, there isn't much by way of artisans outside a couple local shops and the center. It's a really walkable town center. 

 

However, to come back in the mods good graces, a couple of the smaller artisan there do exist solely because of the arts district designation. I know Gordon Square brands itself as such, as does Waterloo in Colinwood, but I'd love to see an art-oriented retail center open as a branch-off of the Uptown expansion in Cleveland, within walking distance of UC and Little Italy

Till next time.  

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 20205 yr by Snar Adams

^Great the holes are being filled, but that exchange of brands takes the mall one step closer to Great Northern/ Great Lakes level. 

1 hour ago, Snar Adams said:

Enjoy:

 

 

Grest info.... but the former "Maggie" space being filled - they mean "Maggiano's" or am I forgetting a store named "Maggie"???

Edited January 24, 20205 yr by eyehrtfood

Why are gap kids and baby gap shuttering?

2 hours ago, BelievelandD1 said:

Why are gap kids and baby gap shuttering?

As I understand it Gap is in the process of closing a significant number of stores nationwide.

19 hours ago, eyehrtfood said:

Grest info.... but the former "Maggie" space being filled - they mean "Maggiano's" or am I forgetting a store named "Maggie"???

I can’t see this picture so I have no idea what this meansI can’t see this picture so I have no idea what this means

I really think beachwood place needs a restaurant like yard house

On 1/19/2020 at 3:06 PM, TBideon said:

Abercrombie and Buckle also closed at Beachwood Place? How did I miss that.

 

Just terrible. 

 

And poor Gap, Baby Gap, Godiva and soon Pottery Barn. Jesus wept.

Abercrombie, Buckle, Gap, Baby Gap, Godiva, Pottery Barn, AND the Sperry store have closed in this month. I wonder if a plan similar to a Polaris (has a Dave and Busters attached to attract the family demographic back) would help them out. Also the Richmond Mall development coming down the pipeline which has residential attached may also poach from them. Beachwood may have to enact a similar plan as them (keep the mall though).

^Did Richmond Mall close? And it has residential now attached to what?

16 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Abercrombie, Buckle, Gap, Baby Gap, Godiva, Pottery Barn, AND the Sperry store have closed in this month. I wonder if a plan similar to a Polaris (has a Dave and Busters attached to attract the family demographic back) would help them out. Also the Richmond Mall development coming down the pipeline which has residential attached may also poach from them. Beachwood may have to enact a similar plan as them (keep the mall though).

And also closed: Hanna Andersson and soon-to-close Papyrus. However, many of the above are either large chain-wide store closures or relocations - so that's part of the story. 

 

I absolutely believe a Dave & Busters or similar could be a part of the near term Beachwood Place future as the leaked info seems to indicate tenants taking large front spaces.

 

Also, the leaked email, the recent Beachwood planning discussion, the already banned Rich nation Richmond-facing park and walkway  and other Brookfield re-developments   (see: Northbrook Court in nice northern Chicago suburbs as a model... outdoor shopping, residential, etc... ) make it clear there is external mall/lot development coming at Beachwoos Place and that Brookfield has a plan even if their silence is worrisome.

Edited January 25, 20205 yr by eyehrtfood

18 minutes ago, Pugu said:

^Did Richmond Mall close? And it has residential now attached to what?

No. I didn't mean to put attached but it has substantial residential eventually being built on the existing parking lot and the old sears.

Edited January 25, 20205 yr by MyPhoneDead

5 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said:

And also closed: Hanna Andersson and soon-to-close Papyrus. However, many of the above are either large chain-wide store closures or relocations - so that's part of the story. 

 

I absolutely believe a Dave & Busters or similar could be a part of the near term Beachwood Place future as the leaked info seems to indicate tenants taking large front spaces.

 

Also, the Beachwood planning discussion and other Brookfield re-developments   (see: Northbrook Court in nice northern Chicago suburbs as a model... outdoor shopping, residential, etc... 

I'm not sure whether to give the post a sad face for the first part or a thumbs up for the second sentence lol. 

Looks like Charlotte Russe is returning to Great Lakes Mall. The sign has been reinstalled and a “coming soon” sign is in the entrance. It’ll be nice to have that big space by Planet Fitness filled again. 

Bar Louie closed today at Southpark.  Houlihan's closed last month.  The front of the mall is going to look really bad.

What’s in the leaked email I haven’t seen anything about what the leak is, can anyone clarify

On 1/26/2020 at 4:26 PM, tvviewer said:

Bar Louie closed today at Southpark.  Houlihan's closed last month.  The front of the mall is going to look really bad.

Bar Louie filed for bankruptcy another bar Louie in Miamisburg Ohio closed also, so far Crocker park, Legacy Village, and downtown have stayed open

13 hours ago, osu87 said:

Bar Louie filed for bankruptcy another bar Louie in Miamisburg Ohio closed also, so far Crocker park, Legacy Village, and downtown have stayed open

 

i see they just closed one of three in nj too.

 

i had thought there was one in hoboken, but guess i was mistaken, they were near malls.

 

https://www.nj.com/business/2020/01/bar-louie-abruptly-closes-nj-location-files-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy.html

 

edit: it seems the hoboken site i was think of was tilted kilt, not bar louie. it was in a new development by the light rail station 2011-2016.

Edited January 28, 20205 yr by mrnyc

I just heard Lucky's declared bankruptcy, but then dug deeper and learned their new store on Clifton will remain open.

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/luckys-market-announces-chapter-11-filing-will-keep-cleveland-location-open/95-5c97c94d-1bde-4d47-b468-e8efc60021ff