Well Von Maur isn't bad (between Macy's and Nordstrom) and besides what else is down there these days (in terms of department stores)? I'm saying he should court Von Maur as a start since they are interested, but just as a stepping stone to better retail like the upscale designer boutiques and Neiman Marcus or Bloomingdales.A department store like that could go a long way to anchor any new retail developments in downtown.

i think cleveland needs more stores like target, best buy etc. in the city. im not talkin about wal mart big stores or more steelyard commons, but urban stores built at street level. this has been done in other cities and is lacking in cleveland, where all those types of stores are waaaaaay out in the burbs.

^yeah we definitely need those types in Cleveland in a true urban setting. I hope the Case development in University Circle will cover at least a nice two story bookstore, that also sells DVD's and music.

i think cleveland needs more stores like target, best buy etc. in the city. im not talkin about wal mart big stores or more steelyard commons, but urban stores built at street level. this has been done in other cities and is lacking in cleveland, where all those types of stores are waaaaaay out in the burbs.

 

right after our market demand for space and retail reaches that of chicago, keep dreaming.

i think cleveland needs more stores like target, best buy etc. in the city. im not talkin about wal mart big stores or more steelyard commons, but urban stores built at street level. this has been done in other cities and is lacking in cleveland, where all those types of stores are waaaaaay out in the burbs.

 

right after our market demand for space and retail reaches that of chicago, keep dreaming.

 

This is an interesting idea. Really, BB and Target are primarily suburban stores. So while they do have urban locations, those are exceptions to the rule, I would think. I'd be curious to know how many people would need to live downtown before a Target store or something of that nature would be interested in locating itself downtown. I would assume with the area saturation, it'd need to be pretty high....What, like 50,000 people at least?

 

Whatever happens in downtown Cleveland is going to have to be more modest. Have you ever looked at many of the vacant storefronts downtown? Their on-street frontage is miniscule. In order for a modern retailer to do anything with most of the retail locations, especially on E.9 or Euclid, they'd have to rip the first-floor facades off and knock down walls. The Gap on Main Street in Hudson has bigger windows and more street space than pretty much any location in downtown Cleveland.

 

 

That's an important point, jamiec. As for the market demand needed to get Target in pocket, someone better tell Stark, because he believes they can make it downtown (once his development and the others are in place).

I heard a couple years ago that Target actually was considering a prime downtown space. Of particular interest to me, they had an urban model that would couple their traditional lines with homegrown products, i.e. incorporating local artists' work into their small home furnishings (wall art, lamps, etc.). I'm not exactly sure how strong their interest ever was ... whether the interest was actually coming primarily from Target or if certain city leaders were pushing the idea. But obviously that didn't work out, and someone else is slated to use the space that was initially being scoped out on their behalf.

^^ Who and where?

I heard about that too. I believe CSU was involved in the planning. It was supposed to be in the Warehouse District, I think, but it fell through probably because of a lack of site control or financing. Stark's big enough to overcome both those obstacles, I would hope.

I initially heard talk of the Higbee building; that was right about the time that Forest City was really bemoaning its vacancy there and right before GCP and CVB signed on to take the space.

It is Federated's policy to only operate downtown stores in the largest metro markets. Cleveland does not fit with their policy. Columbus has a downtown store because they inherited it from May. It remains to be seen how long the store in columbus stays open since it does not necessarily fit with their corporate policy. Cinci will have a store as long as it remains a HQ city. It goes with the priviledge of having the corporate parent in town.

 

However, it is interesting to note that the flagship Macy's in Cinci is not downtown but rather in Kenwood.

 

Macy's had an ad in today's Washington Post about their expansion around the country. Their flagship stores, according to the ad, were in New York, San Francisco, Minneapolis and Atlanta. No mention of Cincy.

He means the flagship Macy's IN Cincinnati.  Not that Cincinnati has a flagship Macy's.

Gotcha!

But wait, isn't it a bit misleading to say 'flagship' store...if it isn't really one? It's just a downtown store.

But wait, isn't it a bit misleading to say 'flagship' store...if it isn't really one? It's just a downtown store.

 

And it's not even downtown.

From the 09.28.06 PD

 

Urban revival: why it's tough

Thursday, September 28, 2006

Sam Fulwood III

Plain Dealer Columnist

 

From the parking lot outside his office, Tim Tramble surveyed the surrounding urban landscape.

 

Motorists pumped gas at the Shell station on the northwest corner of Kinsman Road and 93rd Street. A KFC squatted at the southeast corner. Farther up Kinsman, a McDonald's sat on a hill, and to the east loomed the imposing 4th District police station ...

 

... More at http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/sam_fulwood/index.ssf?/base/opinion/1159432219254700.xml&coll=2

Makes you wonder when Old Sam is going to have an original idea.

The "flagship" store is in Kenwood, not downtown.  They are meaning local-only "flagship."  I'm sure Cleveland's "flagship" will be at Beachwood or Columbus' will be at Polaris or Easton.

 

And fyi, there are flagship stores in cities that aren't downtown as well, such as Lennox Square in Atlanta and Beverly Hills, which is not near downtown Los Angeles.

Retailers do that all the time.  The term "flagship" generally refers to the largest store in the market.  The DC Macy's flagship is the Metro Center store, which was recently Hechts, although this store is not one of their "national" flagship stores.  It's just larger than any of the other stores in the DC area.  I worked on a store for Polo Ralph Lauren in Chevy Chase, Maryland, which was their DC flagship, although it was most definitely not THE flagship in Manhattan. 

 

Retailers do that all the time.  The term "flagship" generally refers to the largest store in the market.  The DC Macy's flagship is the Metro Center store, which was recently Hechts, although this store is not one of their "national" flagship stores.  It's just larger than any of the other stores in the DC area.  I worked on a store for Polo Ralph Lauren in Chevy Chase, Maryland, which was their DC flagship, although it was most definitely not THE flagship in Manhattan. 

 

 

Bingo.

Now I'm really confused.

 

How can Cincinnati have the privilige of having a flagship store because Federated is HQ'd there, if every city from Akron to Albequerque now has a flagship Macy's? Mind you, not a 'flagship' Macy's, but a flagship Macy's. What's the privilige? I think the orginial post meant that Cincy had a 'flagship' Macy's? Am I wrong? Jesus, maybe this I why I shop at K-Mart. I don't think too many cities tout their flagship or 'flagship' K-Mart that much. ;)

Retailers do that all the time.  The term "flagship" generally refers to the largest store in the market.  The DC Macy's flagship is the Metro Center store, which was recently Hechts, although this store is not one of their "national" flagship stores.  It's just larger than any of the other stores in the DC area.  I worked on a store for Polo Ralph Lauren in Chevy Chase, Maryland, which was their DC flagship, although it was most definitely not THE flagship in Manhattan. 

 

 

Ah yes, Chevy Chase....always catering to those middle class folk. Only a matter of time before they put gates up on Connecticut Ave. to keep the 'riff-raff' out. If you do happen be in the the DC area, I recommend the Annandale K-Mart. Hot Korean babes galore, and no pretentiousness at all. Of course I am from Parma. :)

Now I'm really confused.

 

How can Cincinnati have the privilige of having a flagship store because Federated is HQ'd there, if every city from Akron to Albequerque now has a flagship Macy's? Mind you, not a 'flagship' Macy's, but a flagship Macy's. What's the privilige? I think the orginial post meant that Cincy had a 'flagship' Macy's? Am I wrong? Jesus, maybe this I why I shop at K-Mart. I don't think too many cities tout their flagship or 'flagship' K-Mart that much. ;)

 

The post simply implied that the "flagship" store was in Kenwood.  It wasn't meant to say that a flagship Macy's was in Cincinnati.

This was mentioned on the random cleveland developments thread, but the porn shop on W.9th appears to be closing. It will reopen as the Style Lounge of Premium Denim.

 

Also in regards to Warehouse District retail, I believe that Nabici Collection is closed on W.9th and the space was taken over by the newer Suite Life boutique next door. Nabici is moving from their Beachwood location to Eton and openning an e-commerce website that is overdue by a month according to the website.

What the heck is the Style Lounge of Premium Denim? A club or a jeans store?

^Any more it's probably a combination of the two - a concept that I don't care for. If I'm shelling out good $$$ for a decent pair of jeans, I don't need 1. attitude from the minimum wage twit behind the counter and 2. a perforated eardrum from the pounding music. I've also noticed these places tend to mix up the mens and womens clothing - not.cool.at.all.

^get used to it. that is a hot trend, esp for jeans shops. annoying indeed.

 

personally, ive been dodging all that kind of nonsense & going back to gap jeans lately.

 

^get used to it. that is a hot trend, esp for jeans shops. annoying indeed.

 

personally, ive been dodging all that kind of nonsense & going back to gap jeans lately.

 

 

There is one of these in every major shopping point in NYC.  I hate going into these kinds of stores.  It's a bunch of kids...selling sneakers, jeans, and attitude!  Not cute! 

What the heck is the Style Lounge of Premium Denim? A club or a jeans store?

 

I've decided to open up my own little mini-mart in Ohio City. I'm gonna call it the Style Lounge of Premium Chips and Pop. Its a lifestyle that I'll be selling.

Filene's to open in Harvard Park

Shop for Charity event kicks off grand opening

Wednesday, October 18, 2006

Kim Crow

Style Editor, Plain Dealer

 

Bargain hunters, ready your credit cards of choice. Filene's Basement, the discount clothier known for its chic label offerings, opens its first Greater Cleveland store Thursday, Oct. 26.

More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com

 

 

 

I'm guessing that if they did open a store on the west side, it would be at the new Westgate. Both Chagrin Highlands and Westgate are Jacob properties.

^get used to it. that is a hot trend, esp for jeans shops. annoying indeed.

 

personally, ive been dodging all that kind of nonsense & going back to gap jeans lately.

 

 

There is one of these in every major shopping point in NYC.  I hate going into these kinds of stores.  It's a bunch of kids...selling sneakers, jeans, and attitude!  Not cute! 

 

tell me about it mts. i spent all last weekend in them shopping with my 15y.o. visiting-from-dayton niece. ugh. if i hear "bring sexy back" one more time....lol!

 

 

i am surprized to hear above that is the first filenes to open in the area.

 

^get used to it. that is a hot trend, esp for jeans shops. annoying indeed.

 

personally, ive been dodging all that kind of nonsense & going back to gap jeans lately.

 

 

There is one of these in every major shopping point in NYC.  I hate going into these kinds of stores.  It's a bunch of kids...selling sneakers, jeans, and attitude!  Not cute! 

 

tell me about it mts. i spent all last weekend in them shopping with my 15y.o. visiting-from-dayton niece. ugh. if i hear "bring sexy back" one more time....lol!

 

 

i am surprized to hear above that is the first filenes to open in the area.

 

 

the sad part about this en vogue term is that none of the people using the "phrase" are sexy...nor were they around when folks actually were sexy!  OK!!  Those "jean stores" were only once down on lower broadway, or Fulton Street in Brooklyn.  Now these "urban sports stores" are EVERYWHERE and they all sell the same God awful shit!

 

Filenes in the 'burbs --  What a joke!

Regarding "SexyBack" - I find it disturbing that today's kids apparently don't know musical composition. I mean, do people really need to be told "Take it to the chorus" and "Take to the bridge"? :roll:

^get used to it. that is a hot trend, esp for jeans shops. annoying indeed.

 

personally, ive been dodging all that kind of nonsense & going back to gap jeans lately.

 

 

There is one of these in every major shopping point in NYC.  I hate going into these kinds of stores.  It's a bunch of kids...selling sneakers, jeans, and attitude!  Not cute! 

 

so what you guys are telling me is that downtown cleveland is getting its abercrombie back?

^get used to it. that is a hot trend, esp for jeans shops. annoying indeed.

 

personally, ive been dodging all that kind of nonsense & going back to gap jeans lately.

 

 

There is one of these in every major shopping point in NYC.  I hate going into these kinds of stores.  It's a bunch of kids...selling sneakers, jeans, and attitude!  Not cute! 

 

 

 

so what you guys are telling me is that downtown cleveland is getting its abercrombie back?

Ewwww!  I cringe at the thought of seeing one of those stores!  But for the greater good of Cleveland's retail economy....bring it back.

okay, the store concept aside. is it not better that we see a denim store rather than a porn shop? nothing against porn or people who like porn, but denim is an upgrade for the neighborhood.

okay, the store concept aside. is it not better that we see a denim store rather than a porn shop? nothing against porn or people who like porn, but denim is an upgrade for the neighborhood.

 

maybe i go through more porn that denim.

Is this denim place open yet? I might need to get on the Rapid this weekend to check out the new retail down there. I can't afford any of that boutique stuff though. Put a TJ Maxx down there, and I'm sold ;)

Shit, you all seem a little too pissed that there is retail opening up downtown.  If you don't like that kind of store, don't go to it.  Better a store that isn't anywhere else in the area, than a porn store or empty storefront.  I'm surprised by your reaction.

okay, the store concept aside. is it not better that we see a denim store rather than a porn shop? nothing against porn or people who like porn, but denim is an upgrade for the neighborhood.

 

yeah, but I'll sure miss the Style Lounge of Premium Porn.

I'm outraged!! haha. I'd just like a store downtown besides the Gap that I can afford to shop at and has stuff I like. I hope they do awesome and make lots of money, but I'd like some options, too.

Ditto

Shit, you all seem a little too pissed that there is retail opening up downtown.  If you don't like that kind of store, don't go to it.  Better a store that isn't anywhere else in the area, than a porn store or empty storefront.  I'm surprised by your reaction.

To this..

Is this denim place open yet? I might need to get on the Rapid this weekend to check out the new retail down there. I can't afford any of that boutique stuff though. Put a TJ Maxx down there, and I'm sold ;)

 

No I don't think its open yet. Too bad Filene's isn't downtown. It would be the perfect addition to Euclid in my opinion. 

Is this denim place open yet? I might need to get on the Rapid this weekend to check out the new retail down there. I can't afford any of that boutique stuff though. Put a TJ Maxx down there, and I'm sold ;)

 

No I don't think its open yet. Too bad Filene's isn't downtown. It would be the perfect addition to Euclid in my opinion. 

 

not to mention that downtown could support:

Filenes

Marshalls

Burlington Coat Factory

TJ Saxx

Old Navy

Bed, Bath & Beyond

The Container Shop

 

these are the kinds of stores that should be open in the warehouse district or the Prospect side of Playhouse Sqaure

 

"If you don't like that kind of store, don't go to it."

 

Thanks, chief - duly noted.

 

I'm not pissed that there is retail opening up downtown - I never ever said that. I simply made a comment about a certain concept of retail that isn't my cup of tea, but I totally understand that "the kids seem to love it". I'm thrilled it's going there, I'll probably stop in at some point and lord only knows if I see a pair of jeans that I like (preferably $80 or less), I'll likely be a buying customer. I'm simply asking - no matter what store it is, no matter where it's located, for merchandise that's easy to sift through and a simple acknowledgement that I've walked in the door and might have disposable income at hand. I say that from working in retail and knowing what I like when I shop. Others may not care about that stuff - I do. This place may end up being a great funky place for the kids yet provide customer service for people like me - let's hope so.

 

I was talking about current trends in retail. You're the one who is translating that into some anti-downtown retail mentality - not me.

[....(preferably $80 or less),....

 

Looking for another $4.98 bargain...huh???  :roll:  :wink:  LOL

  ROFLMAO!!!

Anybody remember what used to be there before the porn shop?

 

Alterhouse!

Nine-of-Clubs!

 

Whooo, those were some good times!