Anybody remember what used to be there before the porn shop?

 

Alterhouse!

Nine-of-Clubs!

 

Whooo, those were some good times!

 

Well if IIRC they were all porn shops in the 80s

You are mistaken.

 

Unless you mean, unofficially. :wink:

You are mistaken.

 

Unless you mean, unofficially. :wink:

 

West 6 and west 9 north of St. Clair and the Malls area going west to the river was porn and gay clubs.  I don't remember anything else down there.

I'm telling you, the spot where the current porn shop is was a place called Nine of Clubs. One of the Dj's, Anjela Verdon (sp), then went to the flats and opened Aquilon/Lift/Millenium/Planet X/Whiskey/Smart Bar/etc. That is when the Nine became Alterhouse.

When I came back to Cleveland from the Air Force in 1998ish, Nine of Clubs was still there. I do not remember when Alterhouse took over and shut down to become the current porn shop.

You can read more about it at these two sites:

http://www.tikibars.net/writings/nineofclubs.html

http://www.nineofclubbers.com/

 

And that is that, the end!

This has gone off topic long enough. Sorry I brought it up.

 

Anyone buy jeans yet?

^you are correct and "the 9" was my hangout and one of my fav clubs ever. however, mts is referring to previous to that, when it was the very very famous disco club traxx.

^you are correct and "the 9" was my hangout and one of my fav clubs ever. however, mts is referring to previous to that, when it was the very very famous disco club traxx.

 

OH GOD...the memories!!  I loved that place...and im a wallflower!

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.

Way to much fun.

It's coming back to me like it was...

From Crain's Cleveland Business, 10/12/06:

 

 

Target project underway in Amherst

By LESLIE STROOPE

1:23 pm, October 12, 2006

 

Construction has started on a 35-acre retail center, which will be anchored with a Target department store, in Amherst.

 

McGill Property Group project manager Matt McGill said construction crews have already begun to clear the land on the Target site near the interchange of Ohio Route 2 and Oak Point Road for its “Shops at Deerfield” development.

 

Solon-based McGill is planning to have 250,000 square feet of retail space, half of which will be a Target store, said Mr. McGill. The development also has parcels on its perimeter for banks and restaurants.

 

...

 

More at:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061012/FREE/61012009/1058/rss06&rssfeed=rss06

 

can someone tell me what exactly all these people who are supposed to move into these new residential developments in that area are going to do for a living? there is no place in ohio, if in all of america, where employment prospects are so bleak. they have lost over three thousand jobs in a just a few years! its a disaster zone --- the only thing comparable is the great depression! i guess i just do not understand the speculative real estate world.

 

I have some family in Northwest Indiana, which reminds me a lot of Lorain County. Similar rural landscape, similar sprawling development patters, and similar economic hardship from the loss of once prosperous manufacturing. It is really weird out there because you have all these places around Gary, IN like Valparaiso and Crown Point that are kind of booming with residential developments and homes of unnessarily large proportions. I always thought to myself, why and how is this happening? Where do these people come from and where are they are working? This is NOT sprawl from Chicago.

 

After observing my own relatives and their peers who are pretty well off in that region, it became pretty obvious to me that no matter how depressed a region is it will still support proffessional people; doctors and lawyers. It is interesting because there isn't much of middle class in these places. The other thing about this class of professional people in depressed blue-collar/rural areas is how noveau rich their lifestyles are compared to professional people in metropolitan areas. They are way more superficial, stuck up, showy, and materialistic. Ridiculous McMansion houses, sports cars, jewlery, swimming pools, and even airplanes. 

This was mentioned on the random cleveland developments thread, but the porn shop on W.9th appears to be closing. It will reopen as the Style Lounge of Premium Denim.

 

Also in regards to Warehouse District retail, I believe that Nabici Collection is closed on W.9th and the space was taken over by the newer Suite Life boutique next door. Nabici is moving from their Beachwood location to Eton and openning an e-commerce website that is overdue by a month according to the website.

 

Nabici became Brigade (http://www.clothingbrigade.com/)...Nabici downtown never carried very good labels anyway (unfortunately the Beachwood location had better clothes IMHO). However, Brigade has some decent stuff.

 

Also, Nabici does have an e-commerce site with a different URL: http://www.retrader.ca/nabici/

- I think it is cool that there is going to be a place to buy premium denim downtown since choices are limited to lame Gap and their skinny black pants.  You guys should stop poo-pooing it before it even opens....Jeez...btw, that kind of attitude is part of what makes the midwest "conservative".  Speaking of the Gap, this is hilarious...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VbClaPdPmA

 

- The newstand/porn shop wasn't so bad, it was actually one of the few places that you could buy newspapers from other cities.  When I was at RTA I ducked in there to buy a Washington Post, and my boss saw me coming out with a bag. 

 

- Nine of Clubs was a great place!

^^ I checked the Brigade site - not too bad. I saw a shirt I'd like to pick up for my S.O.*

 

Skinny black pants - such a lovely trend, suitable for emaciated @ssless twinks :roll:

 

*I guess I'm jaded from having worked in menswear - my rant isn't directed at any specific place, but this is an example of areas that need improvement. So I saw the shirt and gave them a call asking if they had it in stock. The person answering was really nice, but said "we keep a light inventory to keep it fresh, but come on down and check us out - we have great prices". I'm sure they do have a fresh inventory and from the looks of it, their prices are decent. However, when you see something on a store's site - one is naturally inclined to think they have it in stock. If their site said "Not all items in stock" or "Items shown are representative of inventory, please visit for more", I could totally understand. I don't mind having to go to the store to actually buy it, but at least offer customers the convenience of browsing your inventory ahead of time. Had the shirt been in stock, they'd have a guaranteed sale (and likely more if I found something else I wanted).

 

As much as everyone poo-poos chains, etc., you can't deny that they have a successful business model and much of that is directly linked to online sales. Let me put it this way - I could check the menswear section at nordstrom.com (which carries just as funky stuff as Brigade at similar prices), find something I want, call to see if it's in stock, and within minutes have an answer. I want to support downtown and independent retail but they need to offer customer service that's competitive and makes it just as easy to shop there as any of the chains.

Try working as "Team Leader" of the women's accessories department at a NYC Urban Outfitters.  Ladies would call up asking if we had a particular pair of earrings and then try to describe them and I swear I could never find what they were looking for.  Most often, they'd be at another NYC UO and would be trying to find something that was out of stock that they'd seen online or would be looking for a different size in something they were holding in their hand.  The problem with accessories was that we'd have our inventory list and it'd say that we had one in stock, but you could never find them!  It's not like keeping track of a pair of jeans.  Earrings would be stuffed inside jean pockets, crammed behind a fitting room bench, in the vacuum, you name it!

^or in my pocket as I help your shrinkage numbers

Try working as "Team Leader" of the women's accessories department at a NYC Urban Outfitters.  Ladies would call up asking if we had a particular pair of earrings and then try to describe them and I swear I could never find what they were looking for.  Most often, they'd be at another NYC UO and would be trying to find something that was out of stock that they'd seen online or would be looking for a different size in something they were holding in their hand.  The problem with accessories was that we'd have our inventory list and it'd say that we had one in stock, but you could never find them!  It's not like keeping track of a pair of jeans.  Earrings would be stuffed inside jean pockets, crammed behind a fitting room bench, in the vacuum, you name it!

Whoa...how could  stand it??  Let me guess...you worked at the Broadway or Village (Six Ave.) location

Jesus, just go down to the store on W9th and check out what Brigade/Sweet Life has.  The guys that own the place are local fashion designers who have their own clothing line (Wrath/Arcane), have always been more than accomidating if you actually visit the store, and are trying to do they're thing in Cleveland which is a lot more than many people can say.  You probably live less than a five minute bus ride from there O.C.ers and Tremonsters.  Is this site turning into lazy fatass suburbanohio.com or what?  Get off the internet and go down there.

^cue response from the HBIC............

What's HBIC?

"If you don't like that kind of store, don't go to it."

 

Thanks, chief - duly noted.

 

I'm not pissed that there is retail opening up downtown - I never ever said that. I simply made a comment about a certain concept of retail that isn't my cup of tea, but I totally understand that "the kids seem to love it". I'm thrilled it's going there, I'll probably stop in at some point and lord only knows if I see a pair of jeans that I like (preferably $80 or less), I'll likely be a buying customer. I'm simply asking - no matter what store it is, no matter where it's located, for merchandise that's easy to sift through and a simple acknowledgement that I've walked in the door and might have disposable income at hand. I say that from working in retail and knowing what I like when I shop. Others may not care about that stuff - I do. This place may end up being a great funky place for the kids yet provide customer service for people like me - let's hope so.

 

I was talking about current trends in retail. You're the one who is translating that into some anti-downtown retail mentality - not me.

 

No problem buddy.

Anyone hear about a new Apple store opening in the 44113 (downtown/warehouse) zip code? 

 

 

Edit:  nevermind, i think.  it appears the Crocker Park Apple store is hiring, but all of the jobs are coded as being in the 44113 zip code.

 

actually i'm glad to hear about a loud music expensive/trendy jeans shop the wd. if that is indeed what it is. i dont mean to knock it, its just that i recently went into about 100 of them in one weekend w/ a teen - heh! truth is they are very popular and fun too for younger folks and teens. also, they importantly add a lot to street life.

 

here is a (terrible) pic of one on broadway in soho i forgot to delete, the floor lit up to the music - bring sexyback, bring sexyback -- ****!:

 

 

 

it's easy for discussion to get misconstrued, one of the problems with not engaging in face to face discussion. anyway a topic for another site...

I think people are putting words in people's mouths. My comment was I wish there was a place for someone with MY budget to buy crap down there. I cannot afford boutique jeans.

 

 

I think people are putting words in people's mouths. My comment was I wish there was a place for someone with MY budget to buy crap down there. I cannot afford boutique jeans.

 

 

Can I ask why you think the items are expensive?  Better yet, what is expensive to you?

I think people are putting words in people's mouths. My comment was I wish there was a place for someone with MY budget to buy crap down there. I cannot afford boutique jeans.

 

 

Can I ask why you think the items are expensive?  Better yet, what is expensive to you?

 

I interned at a NYC menswear trade magazine, and if the Cleveland version of "premium denim" is similar to the NYC version, then that's going to mean jeans that cost more than $120. That's expensive to me. I can only afford $30 to $50 for a pair of jeans with my current income. Obviously, that's not premium by any stretch. That's not to say that I want to place to fail because I can't afford the product. That's not true at all. I think that part of downtown needs the high-class shops to keep its character and keep up the vibe. I hope it does really well and attracts similar stores and creates a high-class shopping hub that proves to people all over the area that it'll work.

 

Downtown is pretty big, and while a TJ Maxx, for lack of a better example, would kill the cool in the WHD, it might fit in and draw customers from along the Rapid lines if you put it on Euclid. When was the last time someone tried mass retailing on Euclid? All I want is someplace to spend my money down there.

 

When was the last time someone tried mass retailing on Euclid? All I want is someplace to spend my money down there.

 

 

Can I ask how old you are?  Most folks know that Euclid was one of the best retail locations in the country.  However, with all the new development and the renewed interest in downtown, I suspect in the next year retailers will come back.

wait, rapid line customers=tj maxx customers?

I'm 25, and the only places open to shopping downtown in my life have been the Galleria and Tower City. I know that Euclid used to be among the best places to shop, but that was a long time ago. When did the department stores close, the 1980s? That's 20 years! Who knows what would happen if they tried something again.

 

Pope: You're splitting hairs with my statement. I was using TJ Maxx as an example of a more middle-tier retailer. I'm not a merchandiser, so I have no idea what specific store would be viable. I don't know why Rapid-line users wouldn't be TJ Maxx customers, though. Suburbanites go there looking for deals on clothing, but it also serves a very useful purpose for regular people looking for quality products at lower prices. TJ Maxx, Marshalls and Value City Department Stores can all be very useful for shoppers on a budget, and they each have very diverse customers. I've been going there on my own for 10 years (since I've had my own money). I know that putting a store like Value City downtown wouldn't be like having a Saks Fifth Avenue flagship department store, but I think it serves a market.

 

This relates to another thing I've been thinking. Take a look at the retailers that DO exist on Euclid and Prospect right now -- the urban clothing, hat and record stores - I'm not sure of their names. I don't know if their customers are taking public transit or driving downtown, but the stores seem to have a steady stream. That indicates to me that there is a market there. It also makes me wonder if there is an untapped African American market that could be a big score that no one is talking about. To be blunt, while we spend all this time trying to reverse white flight, why don't we try to tap into the current population, which is sizably African American?

 

Those are just some ideas. I'm not saying I'm 100% right about everything or anything. I just think it'd be nice if the retail options available downtown were balanced with something for everyone. And if there is a market for premium denim downtown, there has definitely got to be a market for people who shop at TJ Maxx and Value City.

Ok, maybe this is the PWT in me talking again, but I would never pay more then five bucks for a pair a jeans.

On that, what the WD needs is a Unique Thrift.

They have good cheap worn jeans. :-D

I thinkCincinnati has a T.J Maxx downtown as well as Saks and Macy's. It is a pretty good downtown mix.

I've said it before, in an earlier post in this thread.  those smaller retailers in downtown would be a boom to the current residents.

 

TJ Maxx stores usually have distribution deals with local retailers to take on their overstock and or unsellable goods.  That why we call the TJ Maxx on Chagrin "TJ Saks" cause a ton of their inventory comes from the beachwood saks.

I know sometimes those premium denim stores are expensive, but I suggest that people splurge on one pair because they are worth it.  I would say skip the blasted out young trendy ones and get a simple pair of raw denim dark wash skinny jeans.  I bought cheap jeans for a long time, but under pressure from a friend I splurged on a $150 pair from A.P.C in SoHo NYC.  They are my favorite jeans, the fit is incredible, and I can't believe the compliments I get all the time...on freaking jeans.  One tip though, you should only wash them ocassionally, which can be hard if you wear them to smokey bars.  I am now sold on spending a little more for something I truely like to wear.

I've said it before, in an earlier post in this thread.  those smaller retailers in downtown would be a boom to the current residents.

 

TJ Maxx stores usually have distribution deals with local retailers to take on their overstock and or unsellable goods.  That why we call the TJ Maxx on Chagrin "TJ Saks" cause a ton of their inventory comes from the beachwood saks.

 

I love TJ Maxx on Chagrin, I try to make a trip whenever I come home, the TJ Maxx in New York is PATHETIC at best!

 

I know sometimes those premium denim stores are expensive, but I suggest that people splurge on one pair because they are worth it.  I would say skip the blasted out young trendy ones and get a simple pair of raw denim dark wash skinny jeans.  I bought cheap jeans for a long time, but under pressure from a friend I splurged on a $150 pair from A.P.C in SoHo NYC.  They are my favorite jeans, the fit is incredible, and I can't believe the compliments I get all the time...on freaking jeans.  One tip though, you should only wash them ocassionally, which can be hard if you wear them to smokey bars.  I am now sold on spending a little more for something I truely like to wear.

 

I agree a good pair of jeans can be dressed up or down and a classic style wont ever go out of style.

Filene's Basement draws a crowd -- and we name names

Plain Dealer

4:50 p.m.

 

“Oh, please don’t say I was here. ... I told my boss I was sick today!”

 

That was the most common comment today during a Shop for Charity benefit at the new Filene’s Basement in Warrensville Heights. The discount fashion retailer opens officially tomorrow.

 

More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com

there are so many things WRONG with that article!

 

Her friend, Christine Coutris of Rocky River, chimed in. “Yeah, we came all the way over from the West Side. We’re not country bumpkins, no matter what these East Siders think!”

Oh, really :wtf:......the fact that she HAD TO MAKE THAT statement means its true!  :-P

 

This stylish crowd did seem to know what it was looking for. The label-conscious can expect to find haute European designers such as Prada, Missoni, Red by Valentino, See by Chloe, Mui Mui and Ungaro. 

The author of this article incorrectly uses haute instead of ready to wear!  Haute piece are always one of a kind!  Since the author couldn't use "high" she tried to fool the uneducated reader/shopper!  Or she could have described Ungaro as "haute" since he is the only "couturier" listed.

 

“Hey, I can have lunch on the money I saved,” said Linda Laudel of Solon, who bought Ugg boots and an Ugg jacket. “That’s why I wanted to come the very first day.”

UGH...those Australian house shoes...er, boots weren't cute three years ago...and they aren't cute now!  :evil:

"Her friend, Christine Coutris of Rocky River, chimed in. “Yeah, we came all the way over from the West Side. We’re not country bumpkins, no matter what these East Siders think!”

 

No dear, you're just trashy nouveau riche.

"Her friend, Christine Coutris of Rocky River, chimed in. “Yeah, we came all the way over from the West Side. We’re not country bumpkins, no matter what these East Siders think!”

 

No dear, you're just trashy nouveau riche.

 

MayDay, How dare you insult the "nouveau riche" by comparing them to those people?   8-)

Operative word - trashy. Must I explain everything?  :roll:

 

 

Operative word - trashy. Must I explain everything?  :roll:

 

No love

I heart Filene's Basement. 

lol. my sister is a fashion student, and twice in one week, girls in her class have pronounced "faux" as "fox." One even that the word "faux" meant fox, the animal, and made a presentation on fox fur clothing. Oh boy.

Old news but, The Apple Store is opening its second "Cleveland" location at Crocker Park.

I love how this article doesn't even mention downtown Cleveland. :roll:

 

Downtowns, centers vie for shoppers

 

Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Leila Atassi

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

Tucked away in the corners of Northeast Ohio -- far from fast-food restaurants, three-story parking garages and big-box stores -- are streets that tell stories.

 

They lure us from our subdivisions on snowy December evenings, imploring us to trade our palm pilots and laptops for mugs of hot cider and tales of simpler times.

 

More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com

And in related news, another outer ring suburb tries to whip up something approaching a sense of place:

 

Solon considers town square to lure upscale retail, dining

 

Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Tasha Flournoy

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

Solon - The city known for its outstanding school system and thriving business community may finally get what some call its missing link: a real downtown.

 

A proposed center-of-town project at Bainbridge and SOM Center roads would bring parks, a new firehouse and a bandstand, which city officials hope will attract upscale shops and restaurants.

 

More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com

when a gazebo is your towns oldest structure........

Does anyone know when Bailey, Banks, & Biddle opened at Beachwood?

Does anyone know when Bailey, Banks, & Biddle opened at Beachwood?

 

umm..i think that's been there for a while now, but what do I know.

I think sometime in either '92 or '93

Oh, glory!

 

Third H&M opens

 

Hennes & Mauritz, better known as H&M, the go-to store for fashionable and affordable clothes, will open its third Cleveland location in the newly renovated  :shoot: Beachwood Place on Thursday, Dec. 7. The two-story Beachwood Place store will be to the left of the main entrance of the mall, near the food court.

 

To celebrate, H&M will offer the first 100 customers a free T-shirt and a 20 percent discount valid from noon to 9 p.m. opening day.

 

Oh, glory!

 

Third H&M opens

 

Hennes & Mauritz, better known as H&M, the go-to store for fashionable and affordable clothes, will open its third Cleveland location in the newly renovated  :shoot: Beachwood Place on Thursday, Dec. 7. The two-story Beachwood Place store will be to the left of the main entrance of the mall, near the food court.

 

To celebrate, H&M will offer the first 100 customers a free T-shirt and a 20 percent discount valid from noon to 9 p.m. opening day.

 

 

I call their "clothing"  throw away clothes!  Because you can only wear that crap once, before you have to throw it away!