Yeah I noticed the "it's possible" it's just when stories/rumors like this come out the worst case scenario seems to happen.

 

This one makes sense, too.  If the cafe is truly an attraction in its own right, Hard Rock may not want to boost Tower City when it's dominated by its main competitor.  Or Rock Gaming may not want said main competitor in close proximity.

 

My information is that Northfield Park blows Horseshoe away by such a wide margin that the latter is likely to have to react strongly.

 

Yeah I noticed the "it's possible" it's just when stories/rumors like this come out the worst case scenario seems to happen.

 

This one makes sense, too.  If the cafe is truly an attraction in its own right, Hard Rock may not want to boost Tower City when it's dominated by its main competitor.  Or Rock Gaming may not want said main competitor in close proximity.

 

My information is that Northfield Park blows Horseshoe away by such a wide margin that the latter is likely to have to react strongly.

 

I've heard the very same. 

Hey does anyone know what's going on with the old Apple Store space at Legacy Village?  Looks like someone is doing some work to the exterior (it's covered up and partially blocking the sidewalk, even) and from time-to-time I believe I've also seen lights on inside.

My understanding is that they are simply renovating the sleek Apple space into something more akin to the architecture of the rest of the development, for future use Last thing Apple or Legacy wants is an identifiable but closed Apple storefront. No tenant is believed to be signed.

 

Yeah I noticed the "it's possible" it's just when stories/rumors like this come out the worst case scenario seems to happen.

 

This one makes sense, too.  If the cafe is truly an attraction in its own right, Hard Rock may not want to boost Tower City when it's dominated by its main competitor.  Or Rock Gaming may not want said main competitor in close proximity.

 

My information is that Northfield Park blows Horseshoe away by such a wide margin that the latter is likely to have to react strongly.

 

In what respect?

^surface parking

 

(I kid, I kid)

Doing some random online searching tonight and finally found written confirmation of Eton's long-presumed - and apparently now upcoming - expansion... All 60,000 square feet of it. (page 20)

 

http://www.icsc.org/events-and-programs/details/new-york-national-conference/brochure

 

This goes hand in hand with the vacancies seen in office buildings at west end of Eton, by Brainard, and with the recent Texas de Brazil filing for a Woodmere location.  60,000 square feet is roughly equivalent to the 9 easternmost store spaces in the current ETON (about 61K sf) - from Sur la Table to Bravo.... and would effectively take the development all the way west to Brainard. 

 

 

 

 

 

My understanding is that they are simply renovating the sleek Apple space into something more akin to the architecture of the rest of the development, for future use Last thing Apple or Legacy wants is an identifiable but closed Apple storefront. No tenant is believed to be signed.

 

Something is definitely going on in that corner. The cellphone shop is gone, and the empty-since-open storefront is having work done inside (its a very awkwardly shaped space inside btw) and the smoothie shop told me they are leaving. Seems to me like theyre opening up that corner for something bigger...

A few years back there was a gelato shop next to the Apple Store.  Is that space having work done as well?

Legacy's third attempt at a Container Store?

Container Store rumored to be anchor of new Beachwood Place expansion. My statement on just façade work to remove Apple Store remnants at Legacy Village was confirmed by workman on site - though I realize that may not be the whole truth. The combined gelato/Apple/Smoothie/adjacent 2 spaces is about 7,500 sq ft.. (Brio-sized)

 

http://www.joneslanglasalle.com/MediaResources/AM/Email/Retail/Legacy_Village_lease_plan.pdf

 

Look for REI to replace the Sears Hardware in Fairlawn.

REI...  Very interesting news. NEO is the 2nd largest market in country (after Miami) without an REI open or announced.. Two have been announced in Columbus for opening in next year or so.  Interesting Fairlawn might be the 1st in NEO, but since Stark Enterprises owns the strip where you note this is going, it would seem possible that Stark-owned Eton and Crocker (if Dick's doesn't have contractual exclusivity) might have REI locations when expansions are complete there, giving the larger NEO market 3 locations to serve consumers.

Legacy's third attempt at a Container Store?

 

A container store? ::) ::) ::)  Groundbreaking!

Look for REI to replace the Sears Hardware in Fairlawn.

 

Fairlawn?  Ugh.

Nothing major, but ALDI has now expanded their organic produce selection to the Cleveland market (maybe all of Ohio).

 

Edit: Looks like they just recently made the move to expand it nationwide.

Details and challenges of the Heinen's at 9th & Euclid:

 

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/heinensdowntown012114.aspx

 

"Although Heinen's is still mapping out the details of its planned grocery store in downtown Cleveland, co-owner Jeff Heinen recently shared with Fresh Water conceptual plans, while acknowledging that opening a 33,000-square-foot grocery downtown is anything but a slam dunk and will require fine tuning to reach the right market...."

I suggest Jeff Heinen get on a plane.  There are plenty of great examples of how to do this around the country.  The Ralphs in downtown Seattle comes to mind. 

Heck - the Heinen's Village Market in Hudson - 20,000 sq feet - is the perfect grocery store... Don't know why Heinen's doesn't just look at their own example.

If you read the article, the Hudson store is mentioned specifically by Mr. Heinen.

This thread is NOT to be used to discuss the business model of Heinens or the potential for protests against high prices (where the f#ck did that come from, E Rocc?) or which stores accept EBT or any of the other absurdly off-topic crap I've had to remove. Yeah, deleting off-topic posts is the best way I can spend my Friday morning  :roll:

 

 

Didn't know where else to post this. This is only speculating on my part...

 

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20140204&id=17320302

 

I can only assume that out of 500 stores, the location on Euclid Avenue may be one of them.

 

Hoping otherwise, unless something great would want to fill the void.

I don't know, i can think of a few in northeast ohio that seem in worse shape than the downtown store.  maybe I'm wrong.

I'm more worried for the one in Severance especially with a busier location pretty much around the corner in Cedar Center

i cant believe they still have 500 stores. quite a mystery to me how they hang on, but i got to hand it to them for tenacity.

Their website says they have 4700 hundy, so I doubt they miss the 500.

Received 30%-40% off emails the last few days announcing the going out of business sale at Solon's 10-month-old Earth Fare market. Choosing this second rate strip mall location (former SteinMart)- with an established Mustard Seed, a thriving Whole Foods, a popular Heinen's and a newly opened Market District all within 2-10 minutes away - was a questionable choice prior to opening - and seemingly proved too hard to overcome once opened. Unfortunate - though the traffic even a month or two after opening already had me thinking this place was not long in this location (though only 10 months didn't seem possible....)

 

^That sucks. I like Earth Fare. The times I visited the one in Solon though, it was quite empty. Meanwhile, Market District was always jam packed

^That sucks. I like Earth Fare. The times I visited the one in Solon though, it was quite empty. Meanwhile, Market District was always jam packed

 

Wish I had known that it was always empty, I might have gone there a time or few.  :)

 

Seriously, I'm not all that familiar with them, but it sounds their marketing went heavy on the environmental aspect.  That would fly a lot better in the Heights, Beachwood, or even Lakewood than Solon, which is far closer to a "typical" west side than east side suburb.  Plus as has been mentioned, that's a brutal competition area. 

which is far closer to a "typical" west side than east side suburb.

 

East vs. West, huh? Well the west side earth fare is in Fairview Park---what's more typical than that? And though surrounded by Giant Eagle, Heinens, and Nature's Bin, the Earth Fare there is still open.

Solon is a tough nut to crack. I can't figure out what succeeds there. Pizzazz on Miles died, as have any number of restaurants that have occupied the corner of Solon Rd. and 91, and the place down the street on the corner of Aurora and 91 (which is as close to 'downtown' Solon as you're going to get). They seem to like their chains there, and yet Jimmy Daddona's thrives in the obscure back building next to the movie theater.

 

The new retail that was built on the corner of Miles and Brainard has seen a revolving door of tenants, as has the diner across the street.

 

Mitchell's does well, but East Coast Custard went out in a year's time, and Dairy Queen is also kaput.

 

I'd never open a retail business in Solon, not because I'm against sprawl, but because I wouldn't be able to figure out what the h@ll the residents want. I'm not sure they know what they want.

Solon is a tough nut to crack. I can't figure out what succeeds there. Pizzazz on Miles died, as have any number of restaurants that have occupied the corner of Solon Rd. and 91, and the place down the street on the corner of Aurora and 91 (which is as close to 'downtown' Solon as you're going to get). They seem to like their chains there, and yet Jimmy Daddona's thrives in the obscure back building next to the movie theater.

 

The new retail that was built on the corner of Miles and Brainard has seen a revolving door of tenants, as has the diner across the street.

 

Mitchell's does well, but East Coast Custard went out in a year's time, and Dairy Queen is also kaput.

 

I'd never open a retail business in Solon, not because I'm against sprawl, but because I wouldn't be able to figure out what the h@ll the residents want. I'm not sure they know what they want.

 

Mustard Seed does well there, so there’s certainly room for the enviro approach.  I just suspect that niche is smaller there and was full.

 

I’ve lived in that area my whole life, and I’d agree Solon is a little quirky and unpredictable.  I suspect people want to group them with their neighbors, and that’s inaccurate.  Solon and Twinsburg are a lot more like Strongsville and Brunswick, except for being more ethnically diverse with the former’s significant Indian population.  They’re outer ring in spirit but approach inner ring density.

 

People like to talk about east and west suburbs, but I suspect the southeastern and southwestern have more in common with each other than their northern counterparts.

5th Street Arcades program attracts almost two dozen retailers, and much buzz, to historic spot

By CHRISSY KADLECK

4:30 am, March 2, 2014

 

It was never part of Mary Farrell's business plan to open a brick-and-mortar store. As in, it was the last thing she wanted to do.

 

Her Cherub's Blanket line of organic cotton and natural baby items was thriving as a mobile and online business, and she couldn't see the payoff of taking on the expense and work of manning a retail space. Then the challenge-driven entrepreneur met developer Dick Pace.

 

Pace, president of Cumberland Development and master leaseholder of 5th Street Arcades, won Farrell over during his pitch to her class at Bad Girl Ventures, an organization that supports female entrepreneurs with micro-lending and business development courses.

 

More at: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140302/SUB1/303029983

Another blow to Severance Center. Deals will be closing within a month or so, leaving another big empty space. This comes on top of Dots closing (whole chain going out of business), and of course Walmart moving to S. Euclid and taking some of the smaller stores with them...

I have never even heard of "Deals"

I have never even heard of "Deals"

 

Its another chain of dollar stores. A bigger than your typical one, and usually in shopping centers and malls vs stand alone. Theyre own by Dollar Tree.

 

According to them, business plunged after Walmart left

Has anyone noticed if the 5th street arcades have seen increased shoppers or at least increased foot traffic since their rebranding effort?

Yes, but I've noticed that the Colonial Arcade is much busier than the Euclid Arcade. In the Euclid, there is a giant art store that is NEVER open, taking up a lot of space. I went several times, never open. I won't bother trying again. In the Colonial, there's a much better conglomeration of little stores--plus needed things like a shoe shine and watch repair place---so driving foot traffic.

Yes, but I've noticed that the Colonial Arcade is much busier than the Euclid Arcade. In the Euclid, there is a giant art store that is NEVER open, taking up a lot of space. I went several times, never open. I won't bother trying again. In the Colonial, there's a much better conglomeration of little stores--plus needed things like a shoe shine and watch repair place---so driving foot traffic.

 

x2.

 

The arcades are very busy during the weekday lunch hour, maybe other times too? But 95% of the time, I'm there during lunch hours. Definitely worth a visit.

The arcades have always been somewhat busy during lunch time, due to the food court, pjs, and vincenzas. They look a lot better though with filled storefronts and signs! I am somewhat nervous though since the stores seem pretty empty everytime I walk through.

Wow, I feel fortunate to have TWO 24-hour drug stores within a few blocks in the Gold Coast area. There are 20,000 people (with decent incomes) in this square mile, so perhaps that's the population sweet spot for retailers?

Wow, I feel fortunate to have TWO 24-hour drug stores within a few blocks in the Gold Coast area. There are 20,000 people (with decent incomes) in this square mile, so perhaps that's the population sweet spot for retailers?

 

There's two within one "block" on 91 just north of I-90.

The look of the proposed Pinecrest retail development at 271/Harvard has taking a Town Center look now - with a main street filled on both sides with shops - a much better plan than the original vision of large parking lots in front of a glorified strip center.  The movie theater in development - as well as the hotel - appear to be on 2nd floors(+) above retail/restaurants. 

 

http://www.goodmanrealestate.com/PropertyPdf/Pinecrest%20Retail%20-%20Orange%20Village,%20Ohio%20GG%20Web.pdf

 

Not sure if they have actual tenants of interest/signed - but REI would seem to be the 25,000 sf "recreation" store noted (unless they mean "recreation" literally...).  At 35,000 sf the "grocery" on map is sized exactly like recent Whole Foods new stores - though that would mean a move from nearby Woodmere store of 30K sf - and not sure that's happening, though that retrofitted Wild Oats isn't the greatest space. Could it be a new gourmet grocer to area? Or? At that size, it's certainly not a Giant Eagle, etc...

 

Finally - the 20,000 "Furniture" store is intriguing. That's 10-20% smaller than recent Container Stores built - and on the high side of West Elm stores built recently (PIT will be 8,000... El Paso will be 22,000, etc...) - both stores of which have been mentioned as looking in eastern suburbs...

 

Guess we'll wait and see...

 

BTW - when viewed from above on Google Maps, the southeast corner of 271/Harvard - vacant land with few adjacent houses - seem perfect for an IKEA (or Cabela's?)... IKEA of course, was looking across 271 in Chagrin Highlands a decade ago, before the most honorable Marcia Fudge ensured big box legislation killed any chances of such a store in her (then, mayoral) kingdom...  But the spot meets pretty much all requirements of size, visibility and accessibility for IKEA - and being Pinecrest-adjacent won't hurt - and the metro obviously has the population.  (the only negative to location is further from Columbus customers/closer to PIT IKEA - and if IKEA builds, it would seem an Akron or Medina-ish location would be better for attracting both NEO and Columbus customers. Cabela's apparently was very interested in an Acacia Country Club land location for a CLE store (says a person familiar with negotiations) - prior to that land turning into a park.

Eyehrtfood, they are now saying they don't expect more (or less than) 60% of the stores to relocate from other centers....  Wasn't it initially proposed as "it would take fro other centers?

 

I don't know, I can just see several stores from Beachwood Place racing to relocate here to a place like this that seems less accessible.  The shoplifting at Beachwood Place has gotten pretty bad.  I know Sephoria for example seem to be hit up daily if not several times a day.     

Im worried that without this being more mixed use (yes i recall there being talk of townhouses built off in a separate gated area), like Crocker Park, with apartments above, this shopping center is going to turn out exactly like Legacy Village: A main street shopping strip surrounded with parking (although condensed in a garage) with a few offices on top. We all know how Legacy is doing now, especially after Apple left. This plan looks like another mini Legacy to me...

^ The planned residential isn't shown in that site plan because that's only the retail portion. All the residential will be built directly off of Chagrin and will be gated so it will not become a pass through. I don't think there were ever plans to have residential on upper floors.

 

The Goodman site plan is only showing the space off of Harvard. All the residential is planned behind the hotels that line Orange Place. The retail portion and the one shown is behind UH and Red Robin.

 

As far as 65% goes they are talking about that being the percentage of stores new to market. The argument is what's new to market? Something that's already on the Westside? You could easily argue that one. That's probably open to interpretation.

^^is Legacy struggling? It seems the restaurants keep busy, the parking lots full, and that microbrewery at the old bookstore is hugely popular.

Is it struggling on the scale of Severance or Richmond? No. But word from friends who work there is that things slowed down dramatically after Apple left, even for the restaurants. Really you dont need to be digging deep into sales numbers to realize that losing a big regional draw like Apple would have a negative impact. And lets not forget there are still storefronts that have been empty since it was built

I think if you compare Legacy to Crocker Park, and really, that's a good comparison, yes, they are def struggling.