Does anyone have eyes and ears out there?

^Stark was there, and they're a sponsor as well. www.icsc.org/2015RECON

^Stark was there, and they're a sponsor as well. www.icsc.org/2015RECON

 

Stark is always there, given that retailing is his first love. But I can't recall him being a sponsor before.

With that said, what other major metro has FOUR (or even three) upscale suburban shopping centers of this type such close proximity... 5-10 minutes apart?

 

Probably none, right? Because to do so would be absolutely foolish. However, since we have four separate municipalities chasing scarce retail tax revenue, we end up with a duplication of stupidity.

^Atlanta has 2 right across from each other with two moremore about 10 mins away.

With that said, what other major metro has FOUR (or even three) upscale suburban shopping centers of this type such close proximity... 5-10 minutes apart?

 

Probably none, right? Because to do so would be absolutely foolish. However, since we have four separate municipalities chasing scarce retail tax revenue, we end up with a duplication of stupidity.

 

None I can think of..

 

Plenty of cities have 2 adjacent or nearby major/upacale shopping centers... But not 3 or 4.. And 3 nearby lifestyle centers? Few have 3 total, let alone 3 nearby and a 4th across town.

 

If anything, CLE didn't have the available land in the eastern suburbs to build just one major shopping center to complement Beachwood Place.  Chagrin Highlands/Harvard/271 may have been a great spot, but grander corporate HQ visions and restrictions on retail size = a no go. Legacy and Eton are space restricted.. Pinecrest is tearing down to build.. Each combined is less powerful a regional draw for tenants and consumers than one big center would likely be. (And is there even an equivalent to the strip-center-with-a-Tiffany oddness of Eton, anywhere?)

 

And remember when Solon had plans for 2 new lifestyle centers of its own?

 

 

 

 

 

And 1.5 years after voter approval and about 4 months since any news, the now-smaller 40,000 sq ft (once nearly 80,000 sq ft... and now seemingly without restaurant outlots) Beachwood Place expansion plans apparently go for final approval tonight before Beachwood Planning Commission...

at beachwood place, that vollbracht furs moving up front where Skechers used to be, also Cheryl and co. Closed up front. The walking company moving right next to Nordstrom on lower wing, that will leave the previously closed fossil, the current walking co and vollbracht furs all open next to each other in lower level Nordstrom wing.... Also in upper wing of Nordstrom next to Buckle,  Daniel Rizotto Milano opening soon.

 

My friend works in the Beachwood Mall and they send out notices to all of the stores showing which stores will be closing, moving, etc. Word is that the mall has actually been forcing a lot of the recently closed stores out by not renewing their leases. I'm hoping they have some big plans in mind?

 

The sheer number of recent Beachwood Place store closings, coupled with some long term vacancies in the Saks wing, their known expansion plans on that side of mall, and the increasing competition among BP, Legacy, Eton and Pinecrest. would either seem to spell the end of Beachwood Place as the premier regional mall, or a more orchestrated plan to rid the center of certain tenants, open up key spaces and add in some key retailers. I believe in the latter...

 

However, as most Beachwood Place type tenants are already in the market or coming, they either have to be moving up a step (Burberry, etc...) or down a step (think Great Northern or SouthPark teen shops) with the next additions.

 

With that said, what other major metro has FOUR (or even three) upscale suburban shopping centers of this type such close proximity... 5-10 minutes apart? 

Visit Atlanta, Ft. Lauerdale/Miami, Houston, Orlando, Washington, DC, or Orange County (CA) to name a few places with multiple high end malls (or with clustered high end retail close to a mall) in close proximitiy.

The updated Pinecrest website has some as yet unannounced new info in its pages and in a recently updated brochure... - plus multiple main street renderings...

 

http://fairmountproperties.com/pinecrest

 

REI is now confirmed as having a signed lease... Container Store, West Elm, Kona Grill and Firebirds restaurants are all officially mentioned/shown for the first time (some with letter or intent, some as "proposed")... and a new Whole Foods (which would move from just down the street) has appeared in this version of their brochure!  Other potential tenants appear to be Flip Side and sister 3 Palms Pizzeria. Silverspot Cinemas, Pinstripes and Old Town Pour House - all mentioned in the past as committing - round out the current lineup.

 

 

Looks nice. I quite like the modern look, and I'm very happy the residential component was expanded from their original plans.

So it looks like Whole Foods is moving.

Based on earlier comments from the developer, I believe a grocery other than Whole Foods was in their originally hinted plans. I seem to recall wording about prospective retailers that was almost verbatim off the Fresh Thyme market website... That retailer now opening at Golden Gate.

 

As for Whole Foods Woodmere store (former Wild Oats)... we used to drive past this store to go to bigger/better University Heights store, but selection has improved and store has gotten far busier. A new larger (+10K-15K sq ft) & grander store, however, is likely and welcomed.

Based on earlier comments from the developer, I believe a grocery other than Whole Foods was in their originally hinted plans. I seem to recall wording about prospective retailers that was almost verbatim off the Fresh Thyme market website... That retailer now opening at Golden Gate.

 

As for Whole Foods Woodmere store (former Wild Oats)... we used to drive past this store to go to bigger/better University Heights store, but selection has improved and store has gotten far busier. A new larger (+10K-15K sq ft) & grander store, however, is likely and welcomed.

 

Whenever a new development is announced they love to make it look like they won't poach other tenants.  That said, I get that as the Woodmere location wasn't originally a Whole Foods that it wouldn't be in their long term plans.

The updated Pinecrest website has some as yet unannounced new info in its pages and in a recently updated brochure... - plus multiple main street renderings...

 

http://fairmountproperties.com/pinecrest

 

REI is now confirmed as having a signed lease... Container Store, West Elm, Kona Grill and Firebirds restaurants are all officially mentioned/shown for the first time (some with letter or intent, some as "proposed")... and a new Whole Foods (which would move from just down the street) has appeared in this version of their brochure!  Other potential tenants appear to be Flip Side and sister 3 Palms Pizzeria. Silverspot Cinemas, Pinstripes and Old Town Pour House - all mentioned in the past as committing - round out the current lineup.

 

This is very nice so far, I will be happy when the Container Store is no longer proposed as we have seen that twice at Legacy, was just in Comumbus yesterday and they move to their larger store at Easton July 18 and their old store will be the permanent LL Bean store.

I hope somewhere somehow Seasons 52 which got shuttered when Capital Grille decided to go to Legacy ends up somewhere. Kona nice to see as they were supposed to be at Crocker at one time.

 

Have no problem with Whole Foods moving as their woodmere store was not originally theirs, and is small, yet I actually like it better than Cedar since they improved their selection... As an aside the new to be store at Easton is unbelievable in size it is gigantic like a Costco.

 

Any word on a seasons 52 where it could go???

 

Also any firmer updates on Beachwood Expansion???

 

^I love what Fairmount is developing at FEB downtown, but re Pinecrest!? ... I just don't see how Suburban Cleveland, esp this area of the Eastern Suburbs, can keep creating and absorbing these massive shopping centers within such close proximity of each other -- Legacy, Beachwood Pl, Eton, Golden Gate, University and Southgate (and all the stores in between) are all within about a 10-15 minute drive of one another, and the population of the Eastern Burbs keeps declining.  I don't get it.  Meanwhile, when (and if) nuCLEus gets off the ground, we're still not seeing major retailers in downtown despite the rapid residential growth down there ... something's gotta give.

Any word on a seasons 52 where it could go???

 

Also any firmer updates on Beachwood Expansion???

 

Seasons 52 was signed on for Beachwood Place but it fell through.  Im guessing they may end up at Pinecrest as well since they wanted to enter the market. 

 

 

 

Any word on a seasons 52 where it could go???

 

Also any firmer updates on Beachwood Expansion???

 

Seasons 52 was signed on for Beachwood Place but it fell through.  Im guessing they may end up at Pinecrest as well (although I had heard Stark was talking to them as well) since they wanted to enter the market. 

 

 

 

^I love what Fairmount is developing at FEB downtown, but re Pinecrest!? ... I just don't see how Suburban Cleveland, esp this area of the Eastern Suburbs, can keep creating and absorbing these massive shopping centers within such close proximity of each other -- Legacy, Beachwood Pl, Eton, Golden Gate, University and Southgate (and all the stores in between) are all within about a 10-15 minute drive of one another, and the population of the Eastern Burbs keeps declining.  I don't get it.  Meanwhile, when (and if) nuCLEus gets off the ground, we're still not seeing major retailers in downtown despite the rapid residential growth down there ... something's gotta give.

 

The shopping centers you note run the gamut from low end strip center dollar stores to high end department store. Different customers, not all of these compet... though in most major metros the tenants at Eton, Beachwood, Legacy, Pinecrest would be combined into 1 or 2 shopoing centers, not 4. No space here...

 

Declining/stagnant population or not, NEO remains the largest market without many of the new retailers coming to Pinecrest (so it's overdue for them to come)... and there are still a sizeable 3.5MM or so residents within an hour drive...

I selfishly wish REI was coming to STrongsville or at least N Olmsted. Those areas are growing, are they not? I also don't understand how Beachwood area keeps snagging all the good new stuff.

^Because that's where the money is.  Despite the perception of "decline," even Shaker Heights still has more $200+K earners than places like Bay Village and Westlake.

I selfishly wish REI was coming to STrongsville or at least N Olmsted. Those areas are growing, are they not? I also don't understand how Beachwood area keeps snagging all the good new stuff.

 

Who knows maybe once in market they might add, in Columbus there is one at Easton and one in Dublin

Demographics shown in Pinecrest brochure list $144,000 avg income in 1 mile radius, $117K in 3... and $85K in 5 miles... (and that's likely brought way down by very modest burbs to the southwest of location). Those $ are significant vs the norm.

 

Hunting Valley and Moreland Hills have made Top 10 richest/similar in country (based on whatever factors... Income... Avg home sale, etx...) on different such lists in recent years.  And 10+ of the top 25 richest communities in Ohio werw within about 15-20 mins of this site based on recent info ai saw. Northern VA it's not... but still meaningful...

 

Thx for the explanation. I wonder what those demographics look like for Strongsville or even Brunswick? Those huge homes I take my son to for birthday parties have to be in the high 400s. Who the heck is buying these places if it isn't rich people?

I selfishly wish REI was coming to STrongsville or at least N Olmsted. Those areas are growing, are they not? I also don't understand how Beachwood area keeps snagging all the good new stuff.

 

Strongsville has stagnated and very well might be losing population now (it only gained 2.0% between 2000 and 2010 after many decades of double-digit growth).  The last time North Olmsted didn't lose population was the 1980 census, and lost 4.0% of its population between 2000 and 2010.

 

Beachwood lost 1.9% between 2000 and 2010, the first time it lost population in the census.  Orange and Moreland Hills both gained a small amount (less than 1.0%).

 

More importantly, though, are the per capita incomes for the different cities:

 

North Olmsted - $24,329

Strongsville - $29,722

Orange - $46,296

Beachwood - $48,010

Moreland Hills - $72,001

 

Even Shaker Heights, which now has nearly 10% of its population below the poverty line, still has a per capita income of $47,360.

 

The fact is that there is simply way more purchasing power in the Chagrin Valley region than anywhere else around NEO, so naturally the most upscale retailers are going to locate there if they don't locate centrally (downtown).

 

EDIT:  I see you mentioned Brunswick, R&R, so I looked them up as well:

 

Gained 2.6% in popluation between 2000 and 2010

Per capita income: $26,603

 

I think many of the houses in that area are made to look bigger than they really are (steeply pitched roofs, many car garages, etc.) and are also very cheaply built, so they likely aren't as expensive as they appear at first glance.  Also, (and this is just my own personal stereotype) I tend to think of people that would buy a house like that (sacrificing quality for the appearance of a larger house) to be the type of people that are more likely to overextend themselves or at least spend a higher percentage of their income on a house payment.

Wow. Interesting info, thank you for providing!

And while we're piling on Strongsville, it's also pretty blue color at heart. Surprisingly low educational attainment for the income level it does have.  Probably not the target demo for the upscale outdoorsy brands.

I selfishly wish REI was coming to STrongsville or at least N Olmsted. Those areas are growing, are they not? I also don't understand how Beachwood area keeps snagging all the good new stuff.

 

Strongsville has stagnated and very well might be losing population now (it only gained 2.0% between 2000 and 2010 after many decades of double-digit growth).  The last time North Olmsted didn't lose population was the 1980 census, and lost 4.0% of its population between 2000 and 2010.

 

Beachwood lost 1.9% between 2000 and 2010, the first time it lost population in the census.  Orange and Moreland Hills both gained a small amount (less than 1.0%).

 

More importantly, though, are the per capita incomes for the different cities:

 

North Olmsted - $24,329

Strongsville - $29,722

Orange - $46,296

Beachwood - $48,010

Moreland Hills - $72,001

 

Even Shaker Heights, which now has nearly 10% of its population below the poverty line, still has a per capita income of $47,360.

 

The fact is that there is simply way more purchasing power in the Chagrin Valley region than anywhere else around NEO, so naturally the most upscale retailers are going to locate there if they don't locate centrally (downtown).

 

EDIT:  I see you mentioned Brunswick, R&R, so I looked them up as well:

 

Gained 2.6% in popluation between 2000 and 2010

Per capita income: $26,603

 

I think many of the houses in that area are made to look bigger than they really are (steeply pitched roofs, many car garages, etc.) and are also very cheaply built, so they likely aren't as expensive as they appear at first glance.  Also, (and this is just my own personal stereotype) I tend to think of people that would buy a house like that (sacrificing quality for the appearance of a larger house) to be the type of people that are more likely to overextend themselves or at least spend a higher percentage of their income on a house payment.

 

Per capita income is defined as income divided by number of people 15 or over, so perhaps they have larger families, and the bigger house makes it easier for kids 18+ to stick around.  Though I do know the houses in Eaton Estates look bigger outside than in.

I selfishly wish REI was coming to STrongsville or at least N Olmsted. Those areas are growing, are they not? I also don't understand how Beachwood area keeps snagging all the good new stuff.

 

Strongsville has stagnated and very well might be losing population now (it only gained 2.0% between 2000 and 2010 after many decades of double-digit growth).  The last time North Olmsted didn't lose population was the 1980 census, and lost 4.0% of its population between 2000 and 2010.

 

Beachwood lost 1.9% between 2000 and 2010, the first time it lost population in the census.  Orange and Moreland Hills both gained a small amount (less than 1.0%).

 

More importantly, though, are the per capita incomes for the different cities:

 

North Olmsted - $24,329

Strongsville - $29,722

Orange - $46,296

Beachwood - $48,010

Moreland Hills - $72,001

 

Even Shaker Heights, which now has nearly 10% of its population below the poverty line, still has a per capita income of $47,360.

 

The fact is that there is simply way more purchasing power in the Chagrin Valley region than anywhere else around NEO, so naturally the most upscale retailers are going to locate there if they don't locate centrally (downtown).

 

EDIT:  I see you mentioned Brunswick, R&R, so I looked them up as well:

 

Gained 2.6% in popluation between 2000 and 2010

Per capita income: $26,603

 

I think many of the houses in that area are made to look bigger than they really are (steeply pitched roofs, many car garages, etc.) and are also very cheaply built, so they likely aren't as expensive as they appear at first glance.  Also, (and this is just my own personal stereotype) I tend to think of people that would buy a house like that (sacrificing quality for the appearance of a larger house) to be the type of people that are more likely to overextend themselves or at least spend a higher percentage of their income on a house payment.

 

Per capita income is defined as income divided by number of people 15 or over, so perhaps they have larger families, and the bigger house makes it easier for kids 18+ to stick around.  Though I do know the houses in Eaton Estates look bigger outside than in.

 

Come on ERocc, I'm at work, don't tempt me to waste more time looking up those numbers! :)

 

I actually was going to post them at first, but decided per capita income was easiest for some reason (I didn't have to choose between household income and family income), but I remember those numbers mirroring the per capita numbers fairly closely.

 

EDIT:  ERocc knew I couldn't resist!

 

Median family incomes:

 

North Olmsted - $62,422

Strongsville - $76,964

Orange - $102,206

Beachwood - $103,431

Moreland Hills - $134,621

Shaker Heights - $105,660

 

Brunswick - $72,057

 

Solon - $112,156

Gates Mills - $161,350

Hunting Valley - per capita income is $144,281, family income simply says "over $200,000"

 

And none of these numbers include nearby Geauga County, the second wealthiest county in the state behind Delaware County.

Per capita income is defined as income divided by number of people 15 or over, so perhaps they have larger families, and the bigger house makes it easier for kids 18+ to stick around.  Though I do know the houses in Eaton Estates look bigger outside than in.

 

I think you misread the definition. The census bureau only counts income from people over 15, but the denominator is total population: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_INC910210.htm

 

Also, income doesn't include cap gains, which are unquestionably a lot higher in the East Side Cuyahoga County burbs than any other part of the metro.

I selfishly wish REI was coming to STrongsville or at least N Olmsted. Those areas are growing, are they not? I also don't understand how Beachwood area keeps snagging all the good new stuff.

 

Strongsville has stagnated and very well might be losing population now (it only gained 2.0% between 2000 and 2010 after many decades of double-digit growth).  The last time North Olmsted didn't lose population was the 1980 census, and lost 4.0% of its population between 2000 and 2010.

 

Beachwood lost 1.9% between 2000 and 2010, the first time it lost population in the census.  Orange and Moreland Hills both gained a small amount (less than 1.0%).

 

More importantly, though, are the per capita incomes for the different cities:

 

North Olmsted - $24,329

Strongsville - $29,722

Orange - $46,296

Beachwood - $48,010

Moreland Hills - $72,001

 

Even Shaker Heights, which now has nearly 10% of its population below the poverty line, still has a per capita income of $47,360.

 

The fact is that there is simply way more purchasing power in the Chagrin Valley region than anywhere else around NEO, so naturally the most upscale retailers are going to locate there if they don't locate centrally (downtown).

 

EDIT:  I see you mentioned Brunswick, R&R, so I looked them up as well:

 

Gained 2.6% in popluation between 2000 and 2010

Per capita income: $26,603

 

I think many of the houses in that area are made to look bigger than they really are (steeply pitched roofs, many car garages, etc.) and are also very cheaply built, so they likely aren't as expensive as they appear at first glance.  Also, (and this is just my own personal stereotype) I tend to think of people that would buy a house like that (sacrificing quality for the appearance of a larger house) to be the type of people that are more likely to overextend themselves or at least spend a higher percentage of their income on a house payment.

 

Per capita income is defined as income divided by number of people 15 or over, so perhaps they have larger families, and the bigger house makes it easier for kids 18+ to stick around.  Though I do know the houses in Eaton Estates look bigger outside than in.

 

Come on ERocc, I'm at work, don't tempt me to waste more time looking up those numbers! :)

 

I actually was going to post them at first, but decided per capita income was easiest for some reason (I didn't have to choose between household income and family income), but I remember those numbers mirroring the per capita numbers fairly closely.

 

I'm not questioning the numbers.  I'm pointing out what may influence them.

 

I daresay more kids in Beachwood and Moreland Hills go out of state for college, and kids that do that are much less likely to move back after graduation.

2010 Census shows 7 of top 10 highest per capita incomes in Ohio were eastern suburbs..

 

1- Hunting Valley, 3 Kirtland Hills, 5 Gates Mills, w/Bratenahl, Bentleyville, Moreland Hills and Pepper Pike also in top 10. Orange and Chagrin top 25. Shaker, South Russell, Beachwood, Bainbridge in top 40 (east), as were Hudson (loosely east... Just 20 mins from Pinecrest). Outside eastern, Brecksville, Westlake and Bay Village rank 40/42/50.

 

Another list shows Moreland and Pepper as top 100 per capita income places in US 2010 Census (with 1000+ households... Hunting doesn't qualify...)

 

 

2010 Census shows 7 of top 10 highest per capita incomes in Ohio were eastern suburbs..

 

1- Hunting Valley, 3 Kirtland Hills, 5 Gates Mills, w/Bratenahl, Bentleyville, Moreland Hills and Pepper Pike also in top 10.

 

Another list shows Moreland and Pepper as top 100 per capita income places in US (with 1000+ households... Hunting doesn't qualify...)

 

 

It's true that there are some really wealthy places in the eastern burbs, and it makes sense that luxury retailers that don't depend on volume would want to locate in the 271 corridor.  But the western suburbs are way more populous than the Chagrin Valley, and I think they've grown wealthy enough that they're starting to attract some mid-tier and slightly more upscale retail (e.g. Crocker Park, Maserati in N. Olmsted, etc.)  I don't think someplace like REI is that much of a stretch for that part of the metro, but then again, it's easy to be an armchair retailer  :wink:

Well Dont forget there's an entire east side filled with suburbs as well from Mentor to North of Akron in addition to the Chagrin Valley. Besides if the retailers are exclusive enough the west siders will surely make the trip east. :wink:

Well Dont forget there's an entire east side filled with suburbs as well from Mentor to North of Akron in addition to the Chagrin Valley. Besides if the retailers are exclusive enough the west siders will surely make the trip east. :wink:

 

Oh, of course.  I'm not trying to say that a retailer should necessarily choose a west side location over one on the east, especially given that the largest regional retail cluster is along 271.  I'm just pointing out that even though most of the extreme wealth is on the east side, there are certainly enough middle to upper-middle income households on the west side to support something like REI.

No, no they won't. Athleta is one of my favorite stores and no way in heck am I driving to beachwood to shop there. I have continued to occasionally buy things from them online but I have neither the free time nor the patience to deal with going to beachwood to retail shop. I will spare you the details but the times I've been there, it's just not for me. The news they would be coming to Crocker was most welcome.

But the western suburbs are way more populous than the Chagrin Valley

 

There's both more population on the east side as well as more wealthy people.  Sure, if you ONLY compare the Chagrin Valley to the westside suburbs (all of them?) there's less people, but what about all of the wealthy (and fairly populated now) townships in Geauga County, Lake County (300,000+ people), Mayfield, Highland Heights, Univ. Hts., Clev. Hts., Twinsburg, Macedonia, etc. etc.).  Also, due to Rte. 8, it's easier for the northern Akron suburbs to get to Pinecrest than a place like Crocker Park, Great Northern, or Southpark.  Heck, even Bath (further west over on I-77) is a few minutes closer to the Pinecrest site than Southpark (and much closer than Great Northern or Crocker Park).

 

I'm not doubting that the west side can support some of these stores.  Crocker Park has shown that there is a market for many of them there as well.  But there is a reason that the higher end stores look to the east side first if they're only planning one location.

There's both more population on the east side as well as more wealthy people.  Sure, if you ONLY compare the Chagrin Valley to the westside suburbs (all of them?) there's less people, but what about all of the wealthy (and fairly populated now) townships in Geauga County, Lake County (300,000+ people), Mayfield, Highland Heights, Univ. Hts., Clev. Hts., Twinsburg, Macedonia, etc. etc.).  Also, due to Rte. 8, it's easier for the northern Akron suburbs to get to Pinecrest than a place like Crocker Park, Great Northern, or Southpark.  Heck, even Bath (further west over on I-77) is a few minutes closer to the Pinecrest site than Southpark (and much closer than Great Northern or Crocker Park).

 

I'm not doubting that the west side can support some of these stores.  Crocker Park has shown that there is a market for many of them there as well.  But there is a reason that the higher end stores look to the east side first if they're only planning one location.

 

:roll: Did I not just acknowledge that there are plenty of other suburbs?  The "higher end" and "if they're only planning one location" caveats are key. 

 

For a more mid-priced retailer, there's no real reason to choose one side of town over the other, except that the region's biggest retail center is on the east side (where it was established decades ago when the demographics were much more lopsided than they are now.)  If I were new to the market, I'd probably choose that location too, simply because it's already drawing people in.

Crocker Park and west side are more than capable of supporting many/most/all of the stores exclusive to/coming to the east side... Retailers play the averages, though... That points east for these types of retailers for store #1 in area.

 

As for driving across town for a retailer, we all have our preferences and our tolerances.  After years of driving 45-60 mins one way for work, amd living in larger, more spread out metros where nothing is close, I think nothing of driving 50 minutes west to Crocker to check on a size or a color I can't find on the east side 12 minutes from my house (or 40 mins to Fairlawn, etc..). Am probably at Crocker (especially with a less picked over Nordstrom Rack) every 4-5 weeks. 

 

I also understand NOT driving far to shop. Know many who feel that way. To each his/her own.

Homage and Lush Cosmetics coming to Crocker Park

Crocker Park and west side are more than capable of supporting many/most/all of the stores exclusive to/coming to the east side... Retailers play the averages, though... That points east for these types of retailers for store #1 in area.

 

As for driving across town for a retailer, we all have our preferences and our tolerances.  After years of driving 45-60 mins one way for work, amd living in larger, more spread out metros where nothing is close, I think nothing of driving 50 minutes west to Crocker to check on a size or a color I can't find on the east side 12 minutes from my house (or 40 mins to Fairlawn, etc..). Am probably at Crocker (especially with a less picked over Nordstrom Rack) every 4-5 weeks. 

 

I also understand NOT driving far to shop. Know many who feel that way. To each his/her own.

 

I don't agree.  If so we would have FLAGSHIP stores in Beachwood and not just a store.

Not sure what store you are referencing here

So at beachwood and Lush Cosmetics is moving diagonally to the spot by teavana that was vacated by Cheryl and Co.

I wish we would hear more concrete news regarding Beachwood place and pinecrest soon

Not sure what store you are referencing here

 

All stores.  We do not have a flagship store in Cleveland.

Le Cruesette at Legacy closing, not surprised as they are quite pricey and are already avail at many places

Signs going up!

 

Ken Prendergast

‏@KennyPeepers

New Metro home furniture store in 1717 East 9th (ex-East Ohio Gas tower) @DowntownCLE

 

 

 

REI officially confirmed to Pinecrest in PD today although fairmount properties has has them as secured on their website. Now can we get firm on west elm and container store please???

I mean this in a good-natured way, but the excitement in this thread for a suburban Container Store is slightly amusing.

I would have preferred the Flats East Bank...but oh well!

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/07/outdoors_retailer_rei_confirms_its_1st_cleveland-area_store_opening_in_2016_near_orange.html

 

Portland's main REI locatioin is in their Pearl District

I mean this in a good-natured way, but the excitement in this thread for a suburban Container Store is slightly amusing.

 

Think of Container Store as if it were a new downtown apartment building built without attached parking. Imagine the excitement on the board...

 

(And Container and West Elm WERE confimed as signed in another Pinecrest PD article today, which indrectly confirmed a 45,000 sf Whole Foods there.)