Aren't these basically being announced because they will be the first opening? It strikes me as a timing announcement rather than an importance announcement. I agree with @freefourur. Nothing wrong with these retailers, but they're not exciting. It's impossible for me to imagine these are Tower City's flagship retailers. Bedrock is aware that Tower City was floundering under the previous tenants, and these are basically more of the same, albeit new to the region, which is important.

Edited September 28, 20213 yr by LlamaLawyer
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Aren't these basically being announced because they will be the first opening? It strikes me as a timing announcement rather than an importance announcement. I agree with [mention=2718]freefourur[/mention]. Nothing wrong with these retailers, but they're not exciting. It's impossible for me to imagine these are Tower City's flagship retailers. Bedrock is aware that Tower City was floundering under the previous tenants, and these are basically more of the same, albeit new to the region, which is important.

New to the region is the most important part. These necessarily aren't the same mom and pop shops that started to open. While not the biggest names it fits their new mold of a "Marketplace" and I admire how fast they turned around and announced tenants for the mall. We know Bedrock has deep retail connections this is the beginning of something great.

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Target to open small-format store in Woodmere

 

https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/10/13/former-woodmere-whole-foods-location-now-target-new-retail/

That should be a hit in that location.

Ah Village Square, DeGaetano's, Corky's and Malley's could use the help. 

And not one downtown, while Pittsburgh gets one. color me shocked. Good ole suburb fist mentality in northeast ohio

2 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

And not one downtown, while Pittsburgh gets one. color me shocked. Good ole suburb fist mentality in northeast ohio

 

How does the mentality of people/government in NEO decide the location where this megacorp chooses to open a new store?

1 hour ago, PoshSteve said:

 

How does the mentality of people/government in NEO decide the location where this megacorp chooses to open a new store?

Right, this decision was made in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

4 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

And not one downtown, while Pittsburgh gets one. color me shocked. Good ole suburb fist mentality in northeast ohio

I guess you think these Target decisions are made at City Hall instead of by Target themselves? Color me shocked. 

17 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Right, this decision was made in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

So the question is why did they select downtown Pittsburgh and not downtown Cleveland?  Was there something they liked about Pittsburgh or something they disliked about Cleveland?  

9 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

So the question is why did they select downtown Pittsburgh and not downtown Cleveland?  Was there something they liked about Pittsburgh or something they disliked about Cleveland?  

Probably a deal ready to be made more than anything. Could be a million different issues. They are similar markets. Not sure how close the nearest Target is to the new Downtown location in Pittsburgh, but I'm sure the 14 year old Steelyard location being so close is a point of discussion.

 

It could even be that they want to be in a building or location whose renovation or construction is in the works and they want to wait to be part of that. The Old Huntington Building comes to mind as a location there would put them in the center of the downtown residential market.

 

Unless you are a Target insider it's all speculation.

17 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Right, this decision was made in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

 

 

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS RETALIATION FOR STEALING VALSPAR !!!!!

On 10/15/2021 at 12:37 PM, LibertyBlvd said:

So the question is why did they select downtown Pittsburgh and not downtown Cleveland?  Was there something they liked about Pittsburgh or something they disliked about Cleveland?  

 

That is something that Targets real estate division would decided.  Obviously, research and development would have a say, but it's all internal and have variables.  Target contracts with local developers to be a cornerstone of a project/neighborhood. Generally, target is in the city and walkable suburbs.   Walmart in the far 'burs and exurbs.

 

This has nothing to do with "not liking" Cleveland.  That is just Cleveland, "woe is me" self defeating BS.  

Edited October 17, 20213 yr by MyTwoSense

47 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

 

That is something that Targets real estate division would decided.  Obviously, research and development would have a say, but it's all internal and have variables.  Target contracts with local developers to be a cornerstone of a project/neighborhood. Generally, target is in the city and walkable suburbs.   Walmart in the far 'burs and exurbs.

 

This has nothing to do with "not liking" Cleveland.  That is just Cleveland, "woe is me" self defeating BS.  

I mean we are getting an urban meijers. I have never heard of an urban meijers ever. Like a real urban one as part of an apartment building, and I'm married to a girl from Chicago who grew up with meijers. You attract some companies and sometimes you don't. 

 

29 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

I mean we are getting an urban meijers. I have never heard of an urban meijers ever. Like a real urban one as part of an apartment building, and I'm married to a girl from Chicago who grew up with meijers. You attract some companies and sometimes you don't. 

 

I just looked and there's not even a meijers in Chicago proper. There's one in Detroit in a strip mall. The rest of mid sized to small cities either have them in suburbs or in a strip mall. This is new. 

6 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

I just looked and there's not even a meijers in Chicago proper. There's one in Detroit in a strip mall. The rest of mid sized to small cities either have them in suburbs or in a strip mall. This is new. 

The urban format Meijers operate under a different name. I think there are a few them throughout the country.

15 minutes ago, freefourur said:

The urban format Meijers operate under a different name. I think there are a few them throughout the country.

Ah yes. Found it. There's one in Grand Rapids, one in Lansing, one in Grand Oaks (Detroit Suburb) and one just opened in Detroit proper six days ago. 

I had a couple of renders of those and mentioned the locations of their existing/planned urban format stores in August 2020....

https://neo-trans.blog/2020/08/04/cleveland-clinic-fairmount-seek-meijer-grocery-store-apartments/

This ought to get some chatter here...

 

 

What is downtown Detroit’s actual population? Seems like Detroit is succeeding in getting retail to come to the urban core while Cleveland is just stagnant. I’m sure there are many reasons… 

8 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

What is downtown Detroit’s actual population? Seems like Detroit is succeeding in getting retail to come to the urban core while Cleveland is just stagnant. I’m sure there are many reasons… 

It’s hard for me to imagine Detroit downtown population is that significant.

What is downtown Detroit’s actual population? Seems like Detroit is succeeding in getting retail to come to the urban core while Cleveland is just stagnant. I’m sure there are many reasons… 

I mean I believe its been reported that Dan Gilbert gave retail companies rental discounts and or free rent to attract them down there. That definitely helps if true.

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I've heard it's between 6-7,000 people there.

59 minutes ago, Troeros2 said:

It’s hard for me to imagine Detroit downtown population is that significant.

About 6500 people.

 

Just an FYI, this project is not in Downtown Detroit but Midtown Detroit, their equivalent of Cleveland's University Circle (cultural hub, university, Art Museum with Rodin statue, etc).  Midtown's population is around 14,500.

Somewhere on these forums l thought l read that the general consensus among downtown leaders and those involved in retail leasing was once we reached 30,000 retail would follow. Recently l read we need at least 50,000. That's a huge gap and who knows when/if we'll even get there. 

 

The best retail news for me would be a City Target either in Tower City or Millennium on 9th and Euclid. But if we need 50,000, well we'll be waiting quite awhile. Needless to say, brick and mortar retail is tough and downtown brick and mortar is even tougher.

55 minutes ago, cadmen said:

Somewhere on these forums l thought l read that the general consensus among downtown leaders and those involved in retail leasing was once we reached 30,000 retail would follow. Recently l read we need at least 50,000. That's a huge gap and who knows when/if we'll even get there....

 

50,000?!??!?  We can count the people in city and county jails, right?    No federal detention center Downtown. Is there where federal detainees for Cleveland are kept?  https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/elk/

There's no one magic number where retail pops up out of nowhere.  You'll get different retail at 30,000 and at 50,000.  And at 150,000.  And it is partly going to depend on employment, and on visitor counts.  And maybe none of that matters if a Dan Gilbert steps up and throws a few billion at the situation.

11 minutes ago, X said:

There's no one magic number where retail pops up out of nowhere.  You'll get different retail at 30,000 and at 50,000.  And at 150,000.  And it is partly going to depend on employment, and on visitor counts.  And maybe none of that matters if a Dan Gilbert steps up and throws a few billion at the situation.

That and Median income of the area. 

My son (and wife and sister...) would love this!

 

Not quite “news” but the 5th Street Arcade has gotten some decent shopping — “Build your own Box of Cleveland” is a really cool idea.

 

 

^If you can’t make it down there, here is the “Cleveland in a Box” website to order Cleveland assorted items online (while still supporting brick and mortar Downtown retail).  The shopkeepers told me there is more in the store than online, for what it is worth:

 

https://www.clevelandinabox.com/pages/buildabox

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1 minute ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

^If you can’t make it down there, here is “Cleveland in a box” website to order Cleveland assorted items (and support brick and mortar Downtown retail).  The shopkeepers told me there is more in the store than online, for what it is worth:

 

https://www.clevelandinabox.com/pages/buildabox

I always send Cleveland in a Box to people. It’s a great gift idea that supports many small businesses and advocates for the city. Highly recommend it. 

I second the Cleveland in a Box for gifts - especially for those outside of town. Send a box to my mom last year while she was living in Nashville, and it made her homesick. Not saying the one thing led to the other, but she has now moved back to Cleveland!

Love these, although a little miffed at the same time. The only product here that includes Painesville is the white tumbler. Apparently the two glasses are not tall enough to extend the map, even though I can clearly see there's a band of blank space where it could go!  😠

Edited November 29, 20213 yr by eastvillagedon

On 11/28/2021 at 7:58 PM, PoshSteve said:

I second the Cleveland in a Box for gifts - especially for those outside of town. Send a box to my mom last year while she was living in Nashville, and it made her homesick. Not saying the one thing led to the other, but she has now moved back to Cleveland!

 

This is the perfect gift to piss off the people in the office.  HA!

Ummmmmmmmmm 😶 WHAT?!? 
 

 

 

The Tweet so nice we posted it twice!

 

But seriously, I don't know how enthusiastic to get about this.  It's not like it's a confirmation of anything, but would they have said anything at all if it didn't seem at least likely?

17 minutes ago, X said:

The Tweet so nice we posted it twice!

 

But seriously, I don't know how enthusiastic to get about this.  It's not like it's a confirmation of anything, but would they have said anything at all if it didn't seem at least likely?

It could just mean that they are recruiting them but who knows. I think an urban format Target would be great at 925 Euclid. 

13 minutes ago, freefourur said:

It could just mean that they are recruiting them but who knows. I think an urban format Target would be great at 925 Euclid. 

Ding Ding Ding! It would be perfect there, and much more successful than the propsed food hall.

Target could be a great anchor for Tower City. Not sure if that fits into Bedrocks rebranding though. 

36 minutes ago, freefourur said:

It could just mean that they are recruiting them but who knows. I think an urban format Target would be great at 925 Euclid. 

After viewing the tweets I was going to post-but didn't- asking forum  members their thoughts on the preferred location for an Urban Target and 925 Euclid would have been mine as well.

How about May Co. building?

6 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

How about May Co. building?

I like this idea.   Something on Public Square is geographically center in the central business district, therefore more convenient to all downtown residents and workers than a location on E 9th.  

36 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

I like this idea.   Something on Public Square is geographically center in the central business district, therefore more convenient to all downtown residents and workers than a location on E 9th.  

I won't mind May Co as I think wherever it is it needs a street presence, but I think an East 9th location would actually be more of a geographic center and it would also result in a great synergy with Heinens.

I don't really have preference, but another location option that came to mind was The Galleria.

2 hours ago, X said:

The Tweet so nice we posted it twice!

 

But seriously, I don't know how enthusiastic to get about this.  It's not like it's a confirmation of anything, but would they have said anything at all if it didn't seem at least likely?

A few months ago after the downtown Pittsburgh store was announced, a pretty well-informed  source on a financial board said that Kansas City and Cleveland were "next" for an urban-format (about 80K sq ft) Target.  From announcement to opening is taking about 6 months in Pittsburgh's case.

2 minutes ago, Dougal said:

A few months ago after the downtown Pittsburgh store was announced, a pretty well-informed  source on a financial board said that Kansas City and Cleveland were "next" for an urban-format (about 80K sq ft) Target.  From announcement to opening is taking about 6 months in Pittsburgh's case.

Before the pandemic, @KJP had posted references to inside info that indicated Pitt, KC, and CLE were the next three locations for urban Targets. He also reported that Intro had aggressively pursued Target, and were shot down by Target because Target intended to open a downtown CLE store. So there are several good indicators. 

1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

I won't mind May Co as I think wherever it is it needs a street presence, but I think an East 9th location would actually be more of a geographic center and it would also result in a great synergy with Heinens.

 

Wouldn't their grocery section compete with Heinens? 

On 11/29/2021 at 2:46 PM, eastvillagedon said:

Love these, although a little miffed at the same time. The only product here that includes Painesville is the white tumbler. Apparently the two glasses are not tall enough to extend the map, even though I can clearly see there's a band of blank space where it could go!  😠

 

 

 

nice -- but looks much better from this angle!