March 15, 200718 yr Actually, that was me with the Park Place no sale/TC connection. That is not the only reason, but it did play a part in the decision. We would have needed two parking spots and the unit only came with one. I would love public transportation but one of us works in Brunswick and the other out east so downtown is central for both of us. That being said, one option for that second spot was in the TC lot. We went there at 6 at night to see what parking and the area would be like and in the middle of the day and the weekend and at 5 AM when one of us goes to work. All those trips to look at the area/parking and the condo we quickly realized what TC had the potential to be. That was a let down but more importantly it had us questioning future value of the condo compared to cost. Just didn't add up unless there was something to draw someone to that area. Real estate is always a gamble but that case was just not one we were willing to take. So, we are looking at Battery Park and OC.
March 15, 200718 yr Oh yeah, we go to Pittsburgh for IKEA sometimes and to Toronto for unique things. Other shopping is thrift store for those unique/rare finds and TJ Maxx usually for clothes. Okay, not high end but they're only clothes, mostly business casual for work or jeans for play!
March 17, 200718 yr Struggling East Side Market to close March 31 Glenville facility failed to attract tenants Saturday, March 17, 2007 Olivera Perkins Plain Dealer Reporter The East Side Market opened nearly 20 years ago with the hope of turning the Glenville corner of East 105th Street and St. Clair Avenue into a thriving retail and business district. But the city-owned market will close March 31, after at least a decade of struggling to attract more tenants and customers. More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com
March 17, 200718 yr There's got to be a location on the east side where something like this would work. Maybe somewhere along Euclid or near University Circle? If Gallucci's and the Food Coop became anchor tenants, I'll bet it would succeed. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 17, 200718 yr I'm convinced this market was doomed from the start. It wasn't in a good location nor did the city invest in it as they did in the WSM. I would have much perferred them to rebuild the central market. As KJP states, if this had been closer to Euclid say in the near the Euclid/mayfield area, this would have been a success. My guess is location and perception made this a tough sell.
March 17, 200718 yr Yeah, University Circle seems to make the most sense. Midtown might also work, once the Euclid Corridor is done.
March 17, 200718 yr Yeah, University Circle seems to make the most sense. Midtown might also work, once the Euclid Corridor is done. Inbetween Euclid and Carneige near E 55 could potentially be a good place.
March 17, 200718 yr Interestingly, both the new and old Glenville Town Centers are fully tenanted...not a single vacancy. I can't say I've ever been inside the ESM, though. There's another grocery just across the street. East Town Eagle, I believe. I don't know how much of a factor the location was here, but I'm sure it was a factor. This does seem like a fairly successful location for convenience retail, however, so there were certainly other factors at play.
March 18, 200718 yr ^I think you are giving that category far too much weight. I'll tell you what, let's all pick a retailer and we can write 1,000 letters and see what happens. that strategy might or might not get a store, but it did get a rock hall.
March 19, 200718 yr Sizing up an opportunity After hooking up with plans to consult nonprofits, the partners of Great Lakes Resources move on to their biggest development project By STAN BULLARD Crain's 6:00 am, March 19, 2007 Wearing brightly polished shoes, grey suits and white shirts with collars buttoned down over conservative ties, Mark Jablonski and Jay Romer look more like ’70s-era IBMers than developers undertaking retail projects in some of the toughest neighborhoods in the nation’s poorest city. Their pedigrees also are unlikely for their task: Mr. Jablonski is a veteran of Ernst & Young’s real estate consulting unit and Mr. Romer a seasoned real estate lawyer. After slugging away as Great Lakes Resources of Cleveland for seven years, the two built a record of accomplishment through developments distinguished by gritty perseverance, if not by size. Now they’re tackling a project of scale. Their latest and biggest project is the repositioning of Greenlite Shopping Center, a 68,000-square-foot shopping center at 18235 Euclid Ave., into a multimillion-dollar, mixed-use property. That repositioning includes changing the name from Greenlite. “There was a real stigma attached to the old name,” Mr. Romer said, referring to how beat up the property used to be. The new name is Village Green Shopping Center, a word play on adjoining Green Road and landscaping the partners have added. They bought the property in 2005 from Kimco Realty Corp., a big real estate investment trust. In doing so, they took on a shopping center where the supermarket that once anchored it was lost to demolition in the 1980s. The remaining space was just 70% occupied, so they tore down 21,000 square feet to make the property more marketable. Besides new electrical systems and repainting the peeling exterior, they brought in tenants such as national tax preparer Jackson Hewitt and retailers from other city neighborhoods to complement an Aldi store, the center’s backbone. Messrs. Jablonski and Romer estimate their company has spent as much on improvements as it paid for the center, $850,000. Just 7,200 square feet — enough for two stores — remains empty. The biggest challenge was how to redo the rear of the site where the supermarket once stood. Following their own market study and the wishes of both neighborhood residents and Cleveland City Councilman Roosevelt Coats, whose Ward 11 includes the site, Messrs. Jablonski and Romer decided senior citizen housing was the way to go. Plans call for their company to sell the empty five acres this fall to NRP Group of Garfield Heights, an urban housing specialist, for a $10 million, 100-unit age-restricted community. J. David Heller, NRP Group CEO, confirmed the transaction, contingent on winning federal housing tax credits administered by the state. Mr. Coats acknowledged that the transformation project hasn’t been easy. “It’s one of the older plazas in the city,” Mr. Coats said. “There were real problems there: no security, poor lighting and several problematic buildings nearby that attract undesirables.” The center’s quick turnaround amazes experts familiar with it. Among them is Russell Berusch, vice president for commercial development at Case Western Reserve University, who said he weighed buying Greenlite when he worked at Village Capital Corp., a nonprofit development concern in Cleveland. He did not because he could not figure out how to redo it. 'Not done in Cleveland' Ironically, Messrs. Jablonski and Romer did not plan for Great Lakes Resources to undertake developments. They initially intended to provide consulting services to nonprofit development groups and real estate developers in city neighborhoods. However, Tony Brancatelli, now councilman in Ward 12, changed their direction in 2002 when he was executive director of the nonprofit Slavic Village Development Corp. After Messrs. Romer and Jablonski tried to convince him to commission a real estate study for a bowling alley on Harvard Road that had been empty 14 years, Mr. Brancatelli suggested they just buy it. They did. Today, Great Lakes Resources has completed 200,000 square feet of projects, about 80% of them in Cleveland. The company last year built a Family Dollar store at Kinsman Road and East 143rd Street it sold to an out-of-town investor; it’s now building another on Union Avenue near East 93rd Street. Mr. Jablonski said Great Lakes Resources currently is juggling 25 potential deals in Cleveland or outlying areas, such as Lorain or Tuscarawas counties. However, its city focus remains. “We’re not done in Cleveland,” Mr. Jablonski said. “There’s a lot to do here.”
March 19, 200718 yr In another "Exciting" Cleveland retail news, according to beachwoodplace.com, BEBE and Ohio's first BEBE Sport and The Art of Shaving are "coming soon". also Swim'n Sport is apparently now open. I'll give GCP credit, they are trying to step Beachwood's game up.
March 19, 200718 yr Step up the game???? Until I personally get an invite to the opening of the Cleveland Prada Boutique......it will still be a 2nd rate mall. Call me when we have the following stores, then I'll be slightly impressed! :roll: :roll: :roll: Anthropologie A/X baccarat Bally Barneys Barneys coop Betsey Johnson Benetton Bloomingdales burberry Bugari cartier chanel club monaco emporio Armani David Yurman dior Disney Store Fendi Ferragamo French connection Hermes Hollister Judith Leiber Kate Spade Kenneth Cole LV Needless Markup Nicole Miller movado Oakley Polo sony Style Solstice Swatch tiffany tumi YSL Urban Outfitters vittadini Zara
March 19, 200718 yr Oh I agree Beachwood is still a 2nd rate mall, but they are pulling stores that haven't been seen in Cleveland and Ohio, which is a step towards keeping its exclusivity in the Cleveland market not stepping up the average price points. It won't be first rate until it gets at least 10 stores from your list, these recent additions will keep it ahead of Crocker Park and Strongsville as they start to get stores that were once only in Beachwood. As far as The art of shaving, the only side boutiques or counters I remember in that Saks were the Mac counter, the fur station, the 2 Chanel boutiques, LV and Prada boutiques.
March 19, 200718 yr Oh I agree Beachwood is still a 2nd rate mall, but they are pulling stores that haven't been seen in Cleveland and Ohio, which is a step towards keeping its exclusivity in the Cleveland market. It won't be first rate until it gets at least 10 stores from your list, though it did have a disney store that closed last spring or something like that. personally I'd rather see the stores on my list downtown in existing (rehabbed) retail space on Euclid, Superior & Prospect
March 19, 200718 yr Me to. That would be really good news. Restoring Euclid to its former glory. I just wonder whats on the table (if anything) in these new downtown projects as far as exclusive retail.
March 20, 200718 yr Step up the game???? Until I personally get an invite to the opening of the Cleveland Prada Boutique......it will still be a 2nd rate mall. Call me when we have the following stores, then I'll be slightly impressed! :roll: :roll: :roll: Anthropologie A/X baccarat Bally Barneys Barneys coop Betsey Johnson Benetton Bloomingdales burberry Bugari cartier chanel club monaco emporio Armani David Yurman dior Disney Store Fendi Ferragamo French connection Hermes Hollister Judith Leiber Kate Spade Kenneth Cole LV Needless Markup Nicole Miller movado Oakley Polo sony Style Solstice Swatch tiffany tumi YSL Urban Outfitters vittadini Zara You can check Sony Style off your list.
March 20, 200718 yr You can check Sony Style off your list. Is there one a Beachwood and I haven't noticed? When did it open? :wtf:
March 20, 200718 yr MTS Sony Style opened last Spring near where that Disney store used to be in the Saks wing. And yes there is an antrhopologie at Eton.
March 20, 200718 yr Ahhh.......Apparently I need to walk around the mall, before opening my big mouth. I usually just go into Nordstoms, and/or - Children's Place, Guess, the GAP - since they are near Nordstroms and then right back out thru Nordstroms. Isn't there an Anthropologie at Eton? You're correct, an error on my part. I stand corrected, my apologies for bitchin', HOWEVER, there needs to be quite a few additions from my list added!
March 20, 200718 yr Cleveland doesnt have Vittadini, Benetton, Hollister, Disney Store or Urban Outfitters? I find that kind of surprising. A little bit off topic, but I heard the other day at my job at Easton, that Columbus may be getting a Gucci store or free-standing Louis Vuitton store.
March 20, 200718 yr Cleveland doesnt have Vittadini, Benetton, Hollister, Disney Store or Urban Outfitters? I find that kind of surprising. A little bit off topic, but I heard the other day at my job at Easton, that Columbus may be getting a Gucci store or free-standing Louis Vuitton store. There was a Vittadini and Disney Store in TC, but Vittadini corp went thru some times and closed alot of stores. Disney also over extended themselves and sold their retail stores, many of which were closed as they try to concentrate on their core business
March 20, 200718 yr ^ Also, Urban Outfitters is at Crocker Park, a Hermes boutique is located in Chagrin Falls, and think there are a several Hollister stores - one being at Crocker Park I know for sure - although everytime I go in there I feel like its some teen horror movie like "I know what you wore last summer". At any rate, most of those retailers listed not in the Cleveland market really should be. Barney's, A/X, and Club Monaco are at the top of my list. I forgot about tumi and french connection; both of which would be great too.
March 20, 200718 yr I guess the Cleveland market took a big hit, but then again you have a few stores that Columbus and Cincy dont such as Lacoste, Sony Style, and Hermes.
March 20, 200718 yr ^ Also, Urban Outfitters is at Crocker Park, a Hermes boutique is located in Chagrin Falls, and think there are a several Hollister stores - one being at Crocker Park I know for sure - although everytime I go in there I feel like its some teen horror movie like "I know what you wore last summer". At any rate, most of those retailers listed not in the Cleveland market really should be. Barney's, A/X, and Club Monaco are at the top of my list. I forgot about tumi and french connection; both of which would be great too. Hermes is in that cuffts thing right? If I'm not correct, its a store within a store. I haven't been in the store, but My mom & Aunt (each 10 times the shopaholic that I am) says its the SNOOTIEST store she's every been in. My aunt said it makes the people at the Palm Beach or Balharbour stores seem "nice". If Cleveland was to ever regain a full fledge Barney's and a Prada...I would be shopping Heaven!
March 20, 200718 yr The way to deal with people like that is to act snooty too! I went to stores like Hermes and their ilk in Paris (when I was there on a family vacation) and that seems to be the way they are told to act. Just go in their dressed in nice clothes, with a shopping bag or two from another designer store, and act like you own the world and the sales people arent all that bad. Although, I must say that I like the "look but dont touch unless you ask" approach. We need to take that approach in American retail. Too many people just love to fondle my stores fine merchandise and never really want to buy; if you ask to look and dont buy thats cool with me, just be nice about it yah hear!
March 20, 200718 yr The way to deal with people like that is to act snooty too! I went to stores like Hermes and their ilk in Paris (when I was there on a family vacation) and that seems to be the way they are told to act. Just go in their dressed in nice clothes, with a shopping bag or two from another designer store, and act like you own the world and the sales people arent all that bad. Although, I must say that I like the "look but dont touch unless you ask" approach. We need to take that approach in American retail. Too many people just love to fondle my stores fine merchandise and never really want to buy; if you ask to look and dont buy thats cool with me, just be nice about it yah hear! that happened to me the first time I went into the Chanel boutique in Paris. Unfortunately, for the sales associate, she didn't know that I also speak French. My mother, put her thru the ringer.....it was not pretty.
March 20, 200718 yr if you walk into the cuffs w/o an appointment, expect to be treated snooty. then again, if you can't afford to spend well over a thousand bucks on a single suit, you shouldn't be shopping in cuffs.
March 20, 200718 yr if you walk into the cuffs w/o an appointment, expect to be treated snooty. then again, if you can't afford to spend well over a thousand bucks on a single suit, you shouldn't be shopping in cuffs. We'll my aunt or mom don't have that problem - they're spoiled brats. They are like Betty Rubble and Wilma Flinstone yelling "charge it" on the way to a store. My aunt has pieces, one being a purse, that equals the amount of a down payment on a persons home.
March 20, 200718 yr to reiterate, cuffs "expects" you to know that appointments are preferred, hence the snootiness. Unless i'm misreading your post, they didn't schedule an appt. anywho, moving along.
March 20, 200718 yr to reiterate, cuffs "expects" you to know that appointments are preferred, hence the snootiness. Unless i'm misreading your post, they didn't schedule an appt. anywho, moving along. I don't think they had an appointment. Knowing them like I do, I'm sure one of them said, "oh...Hermes, that like a cute store, girl we have got to go in and check it out!" and pumped right in.
March 21, 200718 yr personally I'd rather see the stores on my list downtown in existing (rehabbed) retail space on Euclid, Superior & Prospect this will not happen until there is an established downtown market for such stores. I see beachwood continuing their trend towards adding new stores. They have the room now. Oh I agree Beachwood is still a 2nd rate mall, but they are pulling stores that haven't been seen in Cleveland and Ohio, which is a step towards keeping its exclusivity in the Cleveland market. It won't be first rate until it gets at least 10 stores from your list, though it did have a disney store that closed last spring or something like that. personally I'd rather see the stores on my list downtown in existing (rehabbed) retail space on Euclid, Superior & Prospect not going to happen until there is an established downtown market for such stores. I forsee beachwood continuing to add new stores as they have the room.
March 21, 200718 yr Superman.... :wink: :wink: ....welcome to UrbanOhio! :wave: Honestly, I think in the near future with pescht, East Flats and continued Stonebridge, we'll see those stores sooner than later. Hopefully all that construction and CrackerPark and Beachwoods "improvements" will force TC to "up" their game.
March 21, 200718 yr I to believe Pesht is the future of Cleveland's upscale retail scene, of course this will make Beachwood have to fight even harder, which is good. I'm guessing Pesht will be similar to Minneapolis' Nicollet Mall. That said, Whole foods Cleveland (University Heights) opened today. and welcome Kal-el!!
March 21, 200718 yr I'm guessing Pesht will be similar to Minneapolis' Nicollet Mall. You better hope not. That "Mall" has been going downhill. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 21, 200718 yr I'm guessing Pesht will be similar to Minneapolis' Nicollet Mall. You better hope not. That "Mall" has been going downhill. What is this pesht you speak of?
March 22, 200718 yr I'm guessing Pesht will be similar to Minneapolis' Nicollet Mall. You better hope not. That "Mall" has been going downhill. Has it really? Is it increased crime or a decrease in the quality of the stores? I guess I meant the concept of mid to upscale retail concentrated in a certain area, that's the only newer place I could think of that could samewhat compare to this project other than comparable yet much older areas in NYC, or the Chi.
March 22, 200718 yr I hope that Flats East Bank and Stark's plans do move forward but I still have doubts. They both have the potential to drastically change the city so I hope at least one works out. I plan on going to the Professionals in the City event next week and hopefully Stark will give some insight to the progression. East bank isn't ecpected to be a big retail area though right? I thought it was a few shops, grocery store, movie theater and lots of housing. Stark's warehouse plan obviously could be a great destination for some upscale shopping in cleveland and so could euclid ave when the corridor is up and running and E 4th st adds its new tenants.
March 22, 200718 yr Has it really? Is it increased crime or a decrease in the quality of the stores? I guess I meant the concept of mid to upscale retail concentrated in a certain area, that's the only newer place I could think of that could samewhat compare to this project other than comparable yet much older areas in NYC, or the Chi. Maybe The Gateway District in Downtown Salt Lake City is more what you are looking for as a comparision: http://www.shopthegateway.com/
March 23, 200718 yr Christopher's, the men's store in the ground floor of the BP building on Euclid, is going out of business.
March 23, 200718 yr Has it really? Is it increased crime or a decrease in the quality of the stores? I guess I meant the concept of mid to upscale retail concentrated in a certain area, that's the only newer place I could think of that could samewhat compare to this project other than comparable yet much older areas in NYC, or the Chi. Maybe The Gateway District in Downtown Salt Lake City is more what you are looking for as a comparision: http://www.shopthegateway.com/ Yeah something like that. Although that kind of looks more mallish or Legacy Villageish, but yeah similar to that. Kal-el The east bank will feature more entertainment spots and neighborhood oriented retail, where the new Warehouse district and vicinity will be "SoHo West" (if all goes as planned).
March 23, 200718 yr What is this pesht you speak of? http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2591.0 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 23, 200718 yr Christopher's, the men's store in the ground floor of the BP building on Euclid, is going out of business. That news is sooooo two weeks ago.
March 29, 200718 yr "coming soon" signs are up in the windows of 360 Clothing Studio. It'll be on the west side of W. 9th, just south of St. Clair. This should add nicely to the mix of retail options already on W. 9th, which, when combined with the offices, residences, dining, nightlife, and convenience shopping, is becoming quite the complete street! I saw them loading stock in through the front door the other day. Anyone notice if they're open yet?
March 29, 200718 yr I saw those signs yesterday but didn't check them out. I managed to check out Style Lounge, across from Constantino's - nice selection, and they have an extra 20% off on thermals and hoodies :-) http://www.styleloungedenim.com/ clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
March 29, 200718 yr ^Please tell me the store is better than the web site on which the store describes itself as "FRESH, HIP, CHIC, SAVVY, MOD, INNOVATIVE, COOL. . . simply STYLELOUNGE."
March 29, 200718 yr Yeah - the gal who was working there (who is rather stunning) admitted the site isn't the best. It's definitely a cool store though. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
March 29, 200718 yr the gal who was working there (who is rather stunning) I think it's time to check this place out :wink:
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