As IKEA noted in April that they will build 8 new full sized stores in the next 3 years - I continue to believe that Cleveland will get the full sized IKEA store they had originally planned for the NW corner of 480/Tiedeman - killed in 2016 due Army Corps environmental concerns:

 

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2016/02/absurd_concerns_about_swamp_bl.html

 

They then had more or less committed to the Garfield Heights site now being considered for the county jail on the NW corner of Transportation and 480 - which was caught in the 2018 cancellation of all planned stores in US - including hot spots  like Nashville and Raleigh.

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/garfield-heights-mayor-slams-ikea-for-backing-out

 

(Nashville and Cleveland both were among the first to get IKEA pickup points in the last 1-2 years...)

 

And there's this:

 

2017: "We thought we'd be in Cleveland many years ago," said Lars Petersson, president of Ikea's U.S. operations. "We hoped to be in Cleveland first. We've been looking for a long, long time in both Cleveland and Columbus. But of course, we will be in Cleveland eventually.""

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2017/06/06/with-columbus-store-ready-to/20689935007/

 

Someone on this board had indicated rumors that IKEA was recently looking in Richfield... Not sure if there are any more rumors about that?

 

 

 

 

 

Bssed on a business name registration from June, Eton in Woodmere appears to have signed Agave & Rye, the Cincy-area based restaurant - which opened in CLE in the Warehouse District last year. The former Bravo location, next to the upcoming Heritage Steak from Michael Symon business partner Doug Petkovic (now 2+ months past its mid-June original opening date), would seem the natural location for Agave, but TBD.

Speaking of that area, there isn't enough room at Pinecrest for an IKEA seems like an ideal location especially with it's growth and highway access.

Also I feel that with the furniture stores that have departed Legacy Village, a smaller IKEA could go in those spaces. Less than ideal parking but it still is situated in a desirable area.

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IKEA was looking at Harvard and 271 - the general Pinecrest/Chagrin Highlands area -  20+ years ago... Crain's even wrote a story about it at the time. 

 

Legislation led by then Warrensville Heights Mayor Marcia Fudge killed the possibility of a store that big, at least west of 271. An 80+ acre parcel remains on SE corner of that intersection, just across from Whole Foods - that would meet most or all IKEA standards - including traffic count and highway access and visibility. The population of NEO 1 hr from locafion is already 2x the needed 2MM for a store.

 

"Ikea Shopping for Site Here - Brokers see Chagrin Highlands as prime location" - 3/26/2001

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20010326/SUB/103260703/ikea-shopping-for-site-here

 

Edited August 28, 20231 yr by eyehrtfood

On 8/27/2023 at 7:12 PM, eyehrtfood said:

Bssed on a business name registration from June, Eton in Woodmere appears to have signed Agave & Rye, the Cincy-area based restaurant - which opened in CLE in the Warehouse District last year. The former Bravo location, next to the upcoming Heritage Steak from Michael Symon business partner Doug Petkovic (now 2+ months past its mid-June original opening date), would seem the natural location for Agave, but TBD.

Paladar just permanently closed today at Eton.  I could also see Agave & Rye landing in their space:

 

https://www.clevescene.com/food-drink/paladar-latin-kitchen-in-woodmere-has-closed-after-16-years-42734072

 

Also, construction continues at a snail's pace on Heritage, but it appears almost done.

Edited September 12, 20231 yr by SgtBarone

Had some wonderful memories there. Damn.

On 9/12/2023 at 2:36 PM, SgtBarone said:

Paladar just permanently closed today at Eton.  I could also see Agave & Rye landing in their space:

 

https://www.clevescene.com/food-drink/paladar-latin-kitchen-in-woodmere-has-closed-after-16-years-42734072

 

Also, construction continues at a snail's pace on Heritage, but it appears almost done.

Yep Agave and Rye will go to Paladar Space

Legacy Village for sale - with (apparently) proposed 400 units of residential, as shown in renderings in link, on 2 parcels on northeast side (10 stories) and west side, past d**k's.

 

https://www.cbredealflow.com/handler/modern.aspx?pv=Z-I9J549zUFsSziezRAUlM4xpS8d80z7UHM5I1gIGLM-fdm3AI98HFDrayXEOlSU#_top

Edited October 1, 20231 yr by eyehrtfood

On 9/30/2023 at 11:19 PM, eyehrtfood said:

Legacy Village for sale - with (apparently) proposed 400 units of residential, as shown in renderings in link, on 2 parcels on northeast side (10 stories) and west side, past d**k's.

 

https://www.cbredealflow.com/handler/modern.aspx?pv=Z-I9J549zUFsSziezRAUlM4xpS8d80z7UHM5I1gIGLM-fdm3AI98HFDrayXEOlSU#_top

Been awaiting residential a longggggg time there.

I don't think this has been posted anywhere else yet. 

 

Preservationists make a unique pitch to revive retail at downtown's Arcade

 

"A group of local preservationists has a vision for filling vacant storefronts at the Arcade, an architectural marvel slung between Euclid and Superior avenues in downtown Cleveland.

 

Their proposal: reposition the historic building as a cultural hub, with museums, small merchants, a broad menu of ethnic foods and, perhaps, consulate offices. The idea is to put the city’s heritage on display while finding out-of-the-box uses for challenging indoor retail space.

 

..."

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/preservationists-propose-creative-retail-uses-cleveland-arcade

 

I'm all for anything that will preserve and activate this Cleveland Gem. I wish them luck! 

Glad everyone has been able to share their opinions (and we know what they say about opinions) about Heinens, parking lots, cart corrals and self checkout lanes, but let’s get back on topic.

 

Downtown Cleveland unveiled our new Downtown Retail Strategy plan with a focus on short-term and long-term solutions, involving both things the organization can do itself and also collaborate on with partners. It's as much of a placemaking/public realm plan as it is retail retention and attraction plan (they really go hand in hand on many levels). The link to the full plan can be found here.

 

https://www.downtowncleveland.com/retail-plan

I really want to be on board with DCA, but I can't help but feel like this isn't a serious plan. it's like  'the people who spent 15 years saying 20k residents was the magic number are now saying 20k won't cut it and small-potato things like pop-up shops and late night flea markets are the best places to put our energy to revive downtown retail.'

 

also, they are being very generous with their time and money estimations for each initiative. 

One problem is downtown is adjacent to residential dead zones. Having healthy adjacent neighborhoods will also contribute to downtown retail. Below is a figure from their report showing the major downtown clusters. I think this is pretty telling, and the blobs I sketched out in red need some popultion growth.

Edited November 3, 20231 yr by Rustbelter

Well, the bottom blob has a lot of park land, and people are trying to make even more of it park.

The emphasis on popup stores wasn't all that exciting, it hasn't seemed to work out all that well for Tower City after all... But from what I read in the Crain's writeup I think this plan makes sense. 

 

There seems to be much more of a focus on placemaking and connecting existing assets--the Crain's article at least highlighted the effort to connect Playhouse Square with the Gateway District, which are different crowds but if the space between is pedestrianized and well connected then I think its easy to see how there could be a healthy retail environment created there. And what really stood out is that there was serious discussion from stakeholders in the area to close Huron between Euclid Avenue and East 12th Place. I would love to see more streets identified to be converted to pedestrian only corridors. 

 

Also from the Crain's article;

Quote

The analysis differs significantly from past downtown retail plans. It’s more nuanced, and tightly focused. Instead of dictating uses for private properties – such as furniture stores, galleries or discount outlet shopping – the strategy emphasizes laying the groundwork for retail to succeed.

 

That foundation includes targeting small and minority-owned businesses to fill gaps in basic neighborhood services, like salons, pet-supply stores and places to buy toiletries, tools and housewares. It includes hiring someone at Downtown Cleveland Inc. to give technical assistance to those businesses, which often need help accessing funding and navigating city processes.

 

This at least sounds like a more organic approach than DCI, or whoever, trying to identify the retail needs of Cleveland and trying to fill those specifically. 

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/downtown-cleveland-retail-plan-touts-pop-ups-public-spaces

Forgot to post mine....

 

 

Downtown retail revival plan announced
By Ken Prendergast / November 2, 2023

 

Downtown Cleveland, Inc. today shared its Downtown Retail Strategy, designed as a roadmap to create a thriving retail environment in the urban core. Unveiled by Downtown Cleveland, Inc. President & CEO Michael Deemer during the 2023 State of Downtown at The City Club of Cleveland, the plan is one of Reimagining Downtown Cleveland’s near-term economic priorities. It aims to fill gaps in the city center’s marketplace and serve existing residents and businesses.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/11/02/downtown-retail-revival-plan-announced/

10 hours ago, Whipjacka said:

I really want to be on board with DCA, but I can't help but feel like this isn't a serious plan. it's like  'the people who spent 15 years saying 20k residents was the magic number are now saying 20k won't cut it and small-potato things like pop-up shops and late night flea markets are the best places to put our energy to revive downtown retail.'

 

also, they are being very generous with their time and money estimations for each initiative. 

 

I disagree with this take.

 

Great, livable cities have lots of small potato things.

I have to chuckle a bit, and I have to believe that if sufficient demand for retail existed, it would be there.  Right now, look at all the years old retail vacancy: May Co., Galleria, Lincoln Bidg, 200 PS, Centennial prior to closure, Old Arcade, etc, and people still want even more retail space at ground level of new buildings. 

 

This plan looks like a lot of planner-speak, but what will it really take, more population, more disposable income?  I know Pittsburgh tried subsidizing department stores, but I don't think that worked in the long term.  

Edited November 3, 20231 yr by urb-a-saurus

25 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

 

I disagree with this take.

 

Great, livable cities have lots of small potato things.

 

 

Yeah downtown should have 100k living downtown.

 

Don't @ me lol

 

Edited November 3, 20231 yr by TotalTransit

19 minutes ago, urb-a-saurus said:

I have to chuckle a bit, and I have to believe that if sufficient demand for retail existed, it would be there.  Right now, look at all the years old retail vacancy: May Co., Galleria, Lincoln Bidg, 200 PS, Centennial prior to closure, Old Arcade, etc, and people still want even more retail space at ground level of new buildings. 

 

This plan looks like a lot of planner-speak, but what will it really take, more population, more disposable income?  I know Pittsburgh tried subsidizing department stores, but I don't think that worked in the long term.  

 

 

Something I've had to come to terms with in my developing hobby in urbanism is how much the market dictates what a city is and can become.

 

 

Policy can produce powerful sticks and carrots but ultimately its up to the market if it can produce such a result.

 

I don't think its out of the real of possibility that DC inc. can push the needle in the right direction, but larger/more forces will likely be needed to see a change of substance.

 

 

Small victories do add up however.

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Rustbelter said:

One problem is downtown is adjacent to residential dead zones. Having healthy adjacent neighborhoods will also contribute to downtown retail. Below is a figure from their report showing the major downtown clusters. I think this is pretty telling, and the blobs I sketched out in red need some popultion growth.

 

 

The gridding, narrow streets, and proximity to downtown should make this Cleveland's Over-The Rhine.

 

 

 

If I were a billionaire developer this would be my area of focus.

Yea, we've been hearing for a decade that we needed 25k people downtown for retailers to open up shop downtown. We have near that now and I think we actually have less retail downtown than we did ten years ago, and definitely 20 years ago! 

 

But maybe that 25k was also including 150k office workers daily and more people using transit than we do now?

 

As was said above, you'd think the retailers would be flocking to open up shop if they felt they could make some money.

5 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Yea, we've been hearing for a decade that we needed 25k people downtown for retailers to open up shop downtown. We have near that now and I think we actually have less retail downtown than we did ten years ago, and definitely 20 years ago! 

 

But maybe that 25k was also including 150k office workers daily and more people using transit than we do now?

 

As was said above, you'd think the retailers would be flocking to open up shop if they felt they could make some money.

LOL, don't forget that in the last 20 years it has become increasingly easy to sit in your desk chair, order anything you want, and have it delivered directly to you.

Edited November 3, 20231 yr by urb-a-saurus

33 minutes ago, urb-a-saurus said:

I have to chuckle a bit, and I have to believe that if sufficient demand for retail existed, it would be there.  Right now, look at all the years old retail vacancy: May Co., Galleria, Lincoln Bidg, 200 PS, Centennial prior to closure, Old Arcade, etc, and people still want even more retail space at ground level of new buildings. 

 

This plan looks like a lot of planner-speak, but what will it really take, more population, more disposable income?  I know Pittsburgh tried subsidizing department stores, but I don't think that worked in the long term.  

 

I call it Sim City Syndrome, trying to micromanage populations while ignoring the evolving preferences of the people that make them up.

 

As has been said, it's become easier to get stuff delivered, especially if you are willing to wait a day or two.  Brick and mortar is rapidly becoming more for impulse or time critical purchases.  

Urban design can either foster or repel future retail.

 

I'm not sure why people on this site seem to be advocating for doing nothing. 

So downtown is up to 20,000 now and we actually have less retail. But it's not the fault of those 20,000. It's the fault of WFH emptying out downtown offices. It's the fault of shopping on your phone. Who needs to leave the house when the retail world us right there in your hand. 

 

I don't think that is going to change anytime soon so brick and mortar retail will continue to suffer until some new variable comes along. 

 

I applaud DCA for trying something/anything but it's a difficult environment. Right now l think our best hope is just more people downtown - way more. The best news is people are still moving downtown and as long as that trend continues downtown is on the right track. Its just that it's a very long right track.

16 minutes ago, cadmen said:

So downtown is up to 20,000 now and we actually have less retail. But it's not the fault of those 20,000. It's the fault of WFH emptying out downtown offices. It's the fault of shopping on your phone. Who needs to leave the house when the retail world us right there in your hand. 

 

I don't think that is going to change anytime soon so brick and mortar retail will continue to suffer until some new variable comes along. 

 

I applaud DCA for trying something/anything but it's a difficult environment. Right now l think our best hope is just more people downtown - way more. The best news is people are still moving downtown and as long as that trend continues downtown is on the right track. Its just that it's a very long right track.

 

 

Good Point. The owners of Water Tower Place in downtown Chicago, which is an 8 story mall, is turning the top three floors of the mall into offices and alternative uses like dental offices to fill the vacant space. Not to mention Macy's vacated their anchor location. Same type of stuff is happening in San Francisco, even though the narrative has been crime had gotten out of control.

Whether it did or not, it's hard to fight that perception and all the other headwinds brick and mortal retail is facing.

 

24 minutes ago, cadmen said:

So downtown is up to 20,000 now and we actually have less retail. But it's not the fault of those 20,000. It's the fault of WFH emptying out downtown offices. It's the fault of shopping on your phone. Who needs to leave the house when the retail world us right there in your hand. 

 

 

Asking people to forego convenience in favor of abstract social concepts is a non starter, at least in the USA.

 

Brick and mortar's advantages are immediacy and whatever else they can come up with.  Inventory and convenience will always be disadvantages.

Full remote has dramatically subsided with hybrid the standard in many companies. But even when there was no WFH and a larger daytime population, retail was anemic for decades, with the Avenue the last great hope until the early 2000s. 

 

I have no idea what the answer is - frankly, there may not be an answer -  but E Rocc is right. Brick and mortar seems to work better in neighborhoods or even suburbs rather than downtowns, and all the pretty presentations in the world won't alter the general malaise the general public seems to have about shopping in the Tower Cities, Gallerias, Arcades, Euclid Avenues, etc. 

 

So while the general public has changed what it wants, the city and developers need to match those shifts. Concentrated art districts (i.e. a Wynwood), experiential retail, showrooms, smaller museums and theaters, indoor street fairs/festivals, free parking with purchase receipts of x dollars, AFFORDABLE boutiques, wholesalers, hypermarkets, etc. It's just not going to be stores like HYPE, Target, Higbees, or Neiman Marcus anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 20231 yr by TBideon

5 hours ago, TotalTransit said:

Yeah downtown should have 100k living downtown.

 

Don't @ me lol

 

Well 100k is probably ambitious but I realistically think 50k living between the Innerbelt and Scanton Peninsula/Flats West should be a target. This area is roughly 2 square miles, so that's 25,000 per square mile required to acheive. That's a reasonable figure for a North American urban core. 

 

As others have mentioned brick & mortar stores are not what they used to be but downtown is also lacking day-to-day amenities that don't lend themselves as much to online shopping. It would be nice to support a Target, more drugstores and grocery options, optomitrists, dry cleaners, 711s, casual takeout places open later, etc. Heck, I'd think SOME cothing retail could be expected exist, like at least along the lines of a DSW or Nordstrom Rack.  Botique retail will come with more resdences (who would likely be middle class or higher); it's not like there's a lack of spaces to house them.

 

I'm a bit confused by the termination point of E12 place for potentially closing Huron. For one, that road bifurcates, so they could be referring to one of two points, I'm assuming the one closer to the Crown Plaza. Additionally, E12 is an alley... Weird place to end a road. It seems like they might as well close from Euclid to Prospect, leave it open to maintenance vehicles, and maybe deliveries, but otherwise if you're going to close it, might as well close it. 

 

Edit: I now assume it's to maintain access to the Halle Brothers Parking Garage... Which also has an entrance on Prospect, so yeah close it all down.

E 12th Street/Place serves as access for several buildings and the service elevators for the Halle and Crown Plaza are also off Huron. So not sure how practical closing off Huron to traffic would be. That said, Huron has wide sidewalks and relatively little through traffic and should absolutly be a focus for restaurant and retail uses. The plaza at Huron & Euclid has a lot of potential and would be better served by businesses that activate this space.

Edited November 8, 20231 yr by Rustbelter

in my experience. drivers use it going north to e13 but rarely going towards prospect since it's such a pain to turn left on e9. 

 

they could make it one way with curb bump outs for parallel parking and get an extra 20 or so feet of sidewalk

Beachwood Place update:

• Sunglass Hut moved into a nearby, larger storefront formerly occupied by Addicted Accessories, which itself moved to the lone vacant second floor space in the Saks wing
• Nuevo Modern Mexican is moving into the last vacant food court space (anticipated November/December opening)
• Nordstrom parking garage exterior work is complete
• La Place parking garage renovation is complete and fully reopened for the first time in two years

Overall, it should be another busy holiday season for the mall.

Edited November 8, 20231 yr by SgtBarone

The biggest thing I agree with is that there are too many indoor shopping storefronts and that there should be a focus on Street facing retail. I'd love for Tower City to transform its first floor into an "entertainment district" of sorts with a D&B, Main Event etc. or something similar and utilize the second floor for bars or restaurants for hotel guests and residents.

Prospect avenue should be its focus for retail. I was a major fan of closing that off to vehicles.

The problem Tower City has is no one knows it was/is a mall so it won't naturally generate foot traffic.

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2 hours ago, SgtBarone said:

Beachwood Place update:

• Sunglass Hut moved into a nearby, larger storefront formerly occupied by Addicted Accessories, which itself moved to the lone vacant second floor space in the Saks wing
• Nuevo Modern Mexican is moving into the last vacant food court space (anticipated November/December opening)
• Nordstrom parking garage exterior work is complete
• La Place parking garage renovation is complete and fully reopened for the first time in two years

Overall, it should be another busy holiday season for the mall.

 

The same owner's Cincinnati mall, Kenwood Towne Center, seems to get all their Ohio attention vs Beachwood. That needs to change. 

42 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

The biggest thing I agree with is that there are too many indoor shopping storefronts and that there should be a focus on Street facing retail. I'd love for Tower City to transform its first floor into an "entertainment district" of sorts with a D&B, Main Event etc. or something similar and utilize the second floor for bars or restaurants for hotel guests and residents.

Prospect avenue should be its focus for retail. I was a major fan of closing that off to vehicles.

The problem Tower City has is no one knows it was/is a mall so it won't naturally generate foot traffic.

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I always felt that The Galleria and The Avenue at Tower City were the main reason Euclid Avenue's importance as retail declined.  These indoor malls just had people drive and park and never to venture outside. 

On 11/8/2023 at 6:48 PM, dave2017 said:

I always felt that The Galleria and The Avenue at Tower City were the main reason Euclid Avenue's importance as retail declined.  These indoor malls just had people drive and park and never to venture outside. 

The fact is the people of this region, and frankly Americans in general, first wanted indoor malls in the suburbs where they could park their cars for free. Now they want the outdoor walkable experience with still free parking in a garage and no site of homeless people or panhandling. 

 

Unless we become as dense as Miami, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco, Euclid Ave is never going to have sustainable retail like we hope. Downtown doesn't need 20,000 people, it needs close to 100,000

This place just opened up at 1020 Euclid Ave (Old Geigers space)

https://hypecle.com

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzeDeFGObRK/?igshid=dnc0NXN2bTh4cTJ6

 

The concept for HYPE, which stands for Help Your People Eat, began when a group of young entrepreneurs and friends decided to turn their hobby of reselling sneakers into a real business.

2 hours ago, stpats44113 said:

This place just opened up at 1020 Euclid Ave (Old Geigers space)

https://hypecle.com

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzeDeFGObRK/?igshid=dnc0NXN2bTh4cTJ6

 

The concept for HYPE, which stands for Help Your People Eat, began when a group of young entrepreneurs and friends decided to turn their hobby of reselling sneakers into a real business.

 

Geiger's downtown - what a shame how it ended. I overheard a Geiger last year explaining that they tried but "there's nobody down there" to shop - despite their valid attempt to make it work - though the looters killed it in the end. 

6 minutes ago, eyehrtfood said:

 

Geiger's downtown - what a shame how it ended. I overheard a Geiger last year explaining that they tried but "there's nobody down there" to shop - despite their valid attempt to make it work - though the looters killed it in the end. 

The looting was just the final nail in the coffin. That store was DOA. Wrong product line, wrong price point.

I wonder if Geiger's would have done better if they were at Tower City?

I'm not confident that there are actually 20k people living in downtown (perhaps is some Downtown Cleveland Inc. expanded footprint way).  I was in Cleveland for the Browns home opener with my girlfriend a few weeks ago and the city looked as empty as I've ever seen it.  There were literally no cars on the streets and very few people walking around (not talking about the day of the game). 

 

There needs to be convenient items to bring people out of their apartment to product pedestrian traffic.  I would start small with basics that renter need such as Dry Cleaners, another drug store such as Walgreens and specialy stores.  I don't see a home run comming, but a few really good placed singles would do a lot.  Heinen's is a good example that actually brings out some level of foot traffic and it's nice to see people carring grocery bags around downtown.  

21 minutes ago, newyorker said:

I'm not confident that there are actually 20k people living in downtown (perhaps is some Downtown Cleveland Inc. expanded footprint way).  I was in Cleveland for the Browns home opener with my girlfriend a few weeks ago and the city looked as empty as I've ever seen it.  There were literally no cars on the streets and very few people walking around (not talking about the day of the game). 

 

There needs to be convenient items to bring people out of their apartment to product pedestrian traffic.  I would start small with basics that renter need such as Dry Cleaners, another drug store such as Walgreens and specialy stores.  I don't see a home run comming, but a few really good placed singles would do a lot.  Heinen's is a good example that actually brings out some level of foot traffic and it's nice to see people carring grocery bags around downtown.  

Spending a day downtown (the quietest day of the week) and coming to that conclusion isn't quite fair. Understanding the downtown population and how it's calculated will help better understand, it's not just E 9th, West 6th, West 9th and The Flats. There are a lot of pockets with population that add up to the 20k from Cleveland State to the West Bank of The Flats. In my time living downtown, Sundays are quiet unless there's a double header event (two sporting events, a sporting event and a concert, etc.)

There are plenty of corner stores, there used to be two CVS (no need), multiple liquor stores, all sorts of restaurants/bars/entertainment, multiple grocery stores, etc. Plenty of amenities and things bringing people out. Sundays are just a quiet day.

Edited November 10, 20231 yr by downtownjoe

On 9/12/2023 at 2:36 PM, SgtBarone said:

Add another store that is closing all locations nationwide, Soft Surroundings, which has locations both at Legacy and Crocker Park and all though Z gallerie left a few years ago after a second go round. They are also closing all their stores nationwide.

Edited November 10, 20231 yr by osu87

On 11/10/2023 at 1:42 PM, LibertyBlvd said:

I wonder if Geiger's would have done better if they were at Tower City?

Do you think being 3 blocks over would get more people to buy $90 boating shorts? $140 polos?

 

7 hours ago, originaljbw said:

Do you think being 3 blocks over would get more people to buy $90 boating shorts? $140 polos?

Well, there used to be high-end retailers at Tower City, not sure if any are still there.   Might have been able to attract more customers there vs. Euclid Ave due to parking and RTA access.  And the premises could have been better secured to prevent theft.

13 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

 

Well, there used to be high-end retailers at Tower City, not sure if any are still there.   Might have been able to attract more customers there vs. Euclid Ave due to parking and RTA access.  And the premises could have been better secured to prevent theft.

 

I assure you there are not any high-end retailers left there.    The reasons for their demise are myriad.  It was probably a stretch for them to be there in the first place.  I always felt like Forest City had little imagination and interest in keeping their malls current.  Mall operations 101 says a center needs to be significantly refreshed every 10 years.  But suffice it to say, today is a much different world compared to 1990.