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Historic Greater Cincinnati restaurant closes its doors

 

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A historic Newport restaurant with a nearly 80-year tenure appears to be closed for good.

 

The Green Derby, at 846 York St. in Newport, has a sign on the door that informs diners that it is "closed today." An answering machine at the address repeats that claim. Only, the sign and message have remained up for multiple days. WCPO reports that workers have been seen moving furniture out of the restaurant.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/07/historic-greater-cincinnati-restaurant-closes-its.html

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Babushka Pierogies owner opening OTR bar

 

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A Findlay Market food vendor who specializes in Eastern European pierogi is opening a vodka bar and restaurant in Over-the-Rhine.

 

Babushka Pierogies is opening a vodka bar and restaurant in the former Royal space at 1200 Main St. Owner Sarah Dworak hopes to open by the first quarter of 2019, but first, she's opening a late-night walk-up window on the 12th Street side of the building serving food for the weekend bar crowd. That should open by early December.

 

Dworak always envisioned opening a lunch and brunch spot first, but when the Royal closed and that building became available, she thought it would be perfect for a vodka bar concept she had been bouncing around in her mind.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/07/exclusive-babushka-pierogies-owner-opening-otr-bar.html

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Take a sneak peek inside Rich's Proper Food

 

Rich's Proper Food, the newest bar and restaurant from a Cincinnati-area consultant who helped Goodfella's open its Wiseguy Lounge concept, opens Saturday, and we have your first look inside.

 

A Creole-influenced restaurant featuring approachable cocktails, it opens Nov. 10 in the former Rich's Gruen Watches building at 703 Madison Ave. Flip through the photos for a peek inside.

 

Rich's will specialize in $8-$14 American pub fare with a Creole twist, including things like burgers, house-made hot sauce, fresh-shucked oysters, jambalaya, buffalo chicken legs, muffaletta, chicken po' boys and red pepper hummus.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/09/take-a-sneak-peek-inside-richs-proper-food-photos.html

 

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On 5/21/2018 at 2:58 PM, ColDayMan said:

Here's when Maplewood's second location will open

 

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Thunderdome Restaurant Group originated Maplewood Kitchen and Bar downtown in the 84.51 building in 2016, and now it's getting ready to bring that experience to Cincinnati's suburbs mid-summer this year.

 

Maplewood is coming to 5065 Deerfield Blvd. at the Deerfield Towne Center, expected to open in early July, Thunderdome co-founder Joe Lanni told me.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/05/21/heres-when-maplewoods-second-location-will-open.html

 

 

I just want to re-state the obvious: Thunderdome Restaurant Group really, really, REALLY knows what they are doing.  Maplewood is so well done: everything is fresh and healthy, the decor is simple and clean, the soda water dispenser, the variety of seating options, the speed of the service, the white marble, the pleasant staff, the ambient sound level, the lighting on the bar, the prices, the reliability ....  Really this place is unbeatable for lunch or brunch IMO.  

Shuttered downtown Lookout Joe getting new life

 

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The downtown coffee shop Lookout Joe that shuttered earlier this year after 20 years in business is getting new life as a different operator comes in.

 

Kidd Coffee Co. is opening in the former Lookout Joe space at 15 W. Seventh St., on the ground floor of Macy's corporate headquarters. Owner Lane Kidd told me the goal was to be open by Dec. 1.

 

"I found out it was vacant from a Servatii delivery guy I know. The very next day I got a call from Macy's real estate team," Kidd said.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/13/shuttered-downtownlookout-joe-getting-new-life.html

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Look inside Galla Park, the Banks' newest restaurant and entertainment venue

 

Galla Park is the newest restaurant and entertainment venue at the Banks, and it just held its grand opening on Nov. 16.

 

In the former Crave space at 175 Joe Nuxhall Way, Galla Park is a massive 8,371-square-foot venue operated by Peerless Culinary & Nightlife Management Group. The restaurant becomes a night club with a dance floor and DJs on weekend evenings. Flip through the photos for a look inside.

 

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Cambodian restaurant opens in Northside

 

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A Cambodian eatery that spent the last year feeding the patrons of bars and breweries now has its own brick-and-mortar home in Northside.

 

Mahope, created by Vy Sok, a graduate of the Mortar program to aid entrepreneurs in developing neighborhoods, opened its doors at 3935 Spring Grove Ave. on Nov. 21.

 

Sok is a home cook, with most of her recipes coming from her mother. She had always hoped to open a restaurant but didn't think of it as a reality until she was introduced to Mortar, where her sister-in-law was attending classes.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/26/cambodian-restaurant-opens-in-northside.html

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I stopped in the new Sam Adams Tap Room in OTR last weekend and it was pretty interesting. The crowd in there was very different than what you'd find at Rhinegeist, just a few blocks away. I think this has the potential to bring a new demographic of people to the Brewery District for the first time.

^That's great to hear. Anything that draws new and different demographics to the area is good.

14 hours ago, taestell said:

I stopped in the new Sam Adams Tap Room in OTR last weekend and it was pretty interesting. The crowd in there was very different than what you'd find at Rhinegeist, just a few blocks away. I think this has the potential to bring a new demographic of people to the Brewery District for the first time.

Different in what way?  Older?  I haven't had a chance to get there yet but will hopefully this weekend.  

Older than what you'd see at Rhinegeist or Taft's, and a lot of people wearing business attire. Maybe a few groups of people came up from the CBD after work (and hopefully took the streetcar). I saw lots of young people walking around the area, going in and out of the Film Center apartment building, but surprisingly none inside Sam Adams.

East Side distillery-restaurant sets opening date

 

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A star-studded restaurant and distillery on Cincinnati's East Side is rapidly approaching its opening date.

 

Karrikin Spirits Co. is hosting its grand opening at 3717 Jonlen Drive in Fairfax on Dec. 7.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/27/east-side-distillery-restaurant-sets-opening-date.html

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Findlay Market restaurant names chef in advance of opening

 

A Findlay Market restaurant that aims to fill the critical shortage of food industry workers by serving as a training kitchen named a head chef in advance of its opening next year.

 

Jen Kempin will serve as executive chef of Social OTR, which is scheduled to open after the New Year at 1819 Elm St., a block from the historic market. Kempin most recently served as the head chef at Muse in Mount Lookout.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/27/exclusive-findlay-market-restaurant-names-chef-in.html

 

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San Francisco restaurateurs with Cincinnati roots opening Camp Washington coffeehouse

 

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A San Francisco chef and his restaurateur brother are opening a coffeehouse in an up-and-coming neighborhood in their native Cincinnati.

 

Tony and Austin Ferrari are opening Mom 'n 'em Coffee at 3128 Colerain Ave. in Camp Washington. They plan to open its doors by mid- to late January 2019.

 

Mom 'n 'em will serve coffee and espresso drinks using a proprietary bean blend roasted for the Ferrari Bros. by Deeper Roots Coffee in Cincinnati. It will offer a selection of pastries and toasts for breakfast.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/27/san-francisco-restaurateurs-with-cincinnati-roots.html

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On 10/1/2018 at 1:59 PM, ColDayMan said:

Short Vine coffee bar to reopen in new location

 

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A coffee bar and music venue that closed to make way for Top Cats' return to Short Vine is reopening itself in a new location.

 

The 86 Coffee Bar & Concert Venue is opening at 2900 Jefferson Ave. Owner Chris Human wants to open the space by the end of October. The coffee shop spent the last eight years at 2820 Vine St., until Human sold the building to new owners who wanted to bring historic bar and venue Top Cats back to its original location.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/10/01/short-vine-coffee-bar-to-reopen-in-new-location.html

 

The 86 is taking some heat on social media because, despite investing a significant amount of money into modifying the layout of their new location (pictured above), it is still not accessible to people using wheelchairs. The main entrance has been relocated to the front of the building (left side of the photo above) but the door is not at sidewalk level and there is no ramp leading to the door. Also, all of the restrooms are in the rear part of the building which is at a higher level requiring people to climb several stairs, and there is no interior ramp. Apparently The 86 wanted to add a restroom to the lower level, which would have been accessible, but due to some code issues (which they didn't really explain), that was scrapped. When a woman who uses a wheelchair complained on Facebook that she could not patronize this business due to those obstacles, an employee of The 86 responded and explained that since the building is older they don't have to comply with ADA regulations. Not a good look.

42 minutes ago, taestell said:

 

The 86 is taking some heat on social media because, despite investing a significant amount of money into modifying the layout of their new location (pictured above), it is still not accessible to people using wheelchairs. The main entrance has been relocated to the front of the building (left side of the photo above) but the door is not at sidewalk level and there is no ramp leading to the door. Also, all of the restrooms are in the rear part of the building which is at a higher level requiring people to climb several stairs, and there is no interior ramp. Apparently The 86 wanted to add a restroom to the lower level, which would have been accessible, but due to some code issues (which they didn't really explain), that was scrapped. When a woman who uses a wheelchair complained on Facebook that she could not patronize this business due to those obstacles, an employee of The 86 responded and explained that since the building is older they don't have to comply with ADA regulations. Not a good look.

Even Zundo raised the sidewalk in front of thier building to be handicap accessible. It looks odd but it works. 

“All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.”
-Friedrich Nietzsche

^^ Such a throwback! I used to hang out with her at the Buzz in the '90s. We used to have to help carry her from the bar by the entrance down into the main area. It's quite a shame they've apparently made the situation worse with their "update".

The Buzz had surprisingly amazing acoustics because of the wall of glass behind the stage.  No doubt the renovation ruined that. 

On 11/27/2018 at 5:08 PM, ColDayMan said:

San Francisco restaurateurs with Cincinnati roots opening Camp Washington coffeehouse

 

 

 

A San Francisco chef and his restaurateur brother are opening a coffeehouse in an up-and-coming neighborhood in their native Cincinnati.

 

Tony and Austin Ferrari are opening Mom 'n 'em Coffee at 3128 Colerain Ave. in Camp Washington. They plan to open its doors by mid- to late January 2019.

 

Mom 'n 'em will serve coffee and espresso drinks using a proprietary bean blend roasted for the Ferrari Bros. by Deeper Roots Coffee in Cincinnati. It will offer a selection of pastries and toasts for breakfast.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/11/27/san-francisco-restaurateurs-with-cincinnati-roots.html

 

 

That is wonderful, and they were probably the saviors of that building as it is really run down at the present and on a fairly good sized lot. I can imagine a staycation overnighting at the Swing House AirBnB and walking down there for breakfast.........then Camp Washington Chili for lunch......... https://www.google.com/maps/place/3128+Colerain+Ave,+Cincinnati,+OH+45225/@39.141143,-84.5386591,3a,75y,142.75h,92.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJVvwcMMc6o8faveVlSKbug!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8841b468a9850a07:0xb119efa46d6e2ba9!8m2!3d39.1408922!4d-84.538433

 

Karrikin Spirits opens this week – take a look inside

 

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Cincinnati's newest craft brewery, distillery and restaurant opens this week, and we've got a look inside at all of the spirits, food and stills you could ever want.

 

Karrikin Spirits Co. is hosting its grand opening at 3717 Jonlen Drive in Fairfax on Dec. 7. Flip through the photos for a look inside.

 

Mike Florea, former executive chef and operating partner at Maribelle's Eat + Drink, is one of the partners opening the establishment. He told me the whole idea was to turn up the idea of craft.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/12/05/karrikin-spirits-opens-this-week-take-a-look.html

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CWC owners' new barbecue restaurant opens this week

 

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The owners of the restaurant CWC in Wyoming are ready to open their second restaurant, featuring barbecue, by the end of this week.

 

Station Family + BBQ opens Dec. 7 at 400 Wyoming Ave., in the former Wyoming fire station – better known as the former Sturkey's.

 

It's the second restaurant for Kelly Trush and Caitlin Steininger, who launched Cooking with Caitlin in 2007 and opened CWC at 1517 Springfield Pike in Wyoming last year.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/12/05/cwc-owners-new-barbecue-restaurant-opens-this-week.html

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^ I live mere steps from this place and I am dreading the toll it will take on my wallet and weight.  CWC is top-notch, I have no doubt this will be too.

Terry’s Turf Club to close

 

Terry’s Turf Club, a popular Greater Cincinnati burger restaurant, is closing its doors.

 

The restaurant posted on its Facebook page on Sunday night that it will be closing “in about 2 weeks.” According to the post, the Linwood eatery’s owner, Terry Carter, is retiring.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/12/09/terry-s-turf-club-to-close.html

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I have no idea what this ridiculous-looking Nashville-based show is actually about, but I LOL'd ten seconds in when they went to eat at one of Nashville's "new trendy restaurants"... and surprise, they ended up at Cincinnati-based chain restaurant Nada.

 

 

Props for places like Bakersfield et al for managing to successfully pass themselves off as stand-alone "local, non-chain" brands, but it also kind of sucks a bit that these other cities think those restaurants unique to their city and not a Cincinnati creation. 

“To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”

I had not heard of this show but upon watching that clip I immediately thought "these people aren't from Tennessee".  Sure enough, I looked it up and they're from Atlanta. These types of southerners can never be trusted.  They put on a hokey/religious face but only care about money and lie and cheat all day long to get it. 

 

 

 

 

hi all - Coming back to Cinci for christmas and want to go to dinner with my girlfriend (first time in Cinci) and my parents. Been out of the restaurant loop for a while since moving away. Any recommendations of good new-ish places to eat in cinci proper?

10 minutes ago, chinkley said:

hi all - Coming back to Cinci for christmas and want to go to dinner with my girlfriend (first time in Cinci) and my parents. Been out of the restaurant loop for a while since moving away. Any recommendations of good new-ish places to eat in cinci proper?

 

What do you like..?

10 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

What do you like..?

We like everything

Some of my go-to spots that have opened in the last couple years:

8th & English

Pleasantry

Sacred Beast

Please

Fast-casual chicken salad chain to open in Greater Cincinnati

 

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An Alabama-based restaurant chain will soon open a location in Greater Cincinnati.

 

Chicken Salad Chick, which specializes in homemade Southern-style chicken salad, will expand its presence beyond the Southeastern United States into the Midwest and the South Central regions. Chicken Salad Chick's first Ohio stores, both the result of new franchise agreements, are planned for Mason and Columbus, according to a news release.

 

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I'm constantly hearing good things about Please, though I haven't been myself.

https://pleasecincinnati.com/

8 hours ago, chinkley said:

We like everything

 

Over the Rhine has essentially become Cincinnati's dining and bar hub.

 

My personal picks:

 

Abagail Street

 

Taft Ale House

 

The Eagle 

 

Bakersfield

 

LouVino

 

Maize

 

The best restaurant in OTR hands down though goes to, "Please". It's experimental culinary arts at its finest. Expensive though. But worth every penny.

 

Definitely grab a drink at Sundry and Vice (rated one of the top 5 bars in the US), and 16 bit and Pins Mechanical Co. They are bars that include free arcade games. Pins is a 4 story bar with duck pin bowling, pinball,  and ping pong.

Since you're with your parents, if you're looking for somewhere to get a drink I'd suggest the Vestry and/or Taft's Ale House. Those are more laid-back locations. Moerlein's tap room (the OTR one, though the river spot is cool in its own right) is also a chill spot, but it's a little off the beaten path.

 

I just have a hard time seeing my parents being happy at 16-bit, but I guess YMMV. And not because dad wouldn't enjoy some Ms. Pac-Man, but because of the dense crowd and noise.

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City Club Apartments adding rooftop restaurant and bar

By Tom Demeropolis  – Senior Staff Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

 

City Club Apartments CBD Cincinnati has signed a lease for a more than 6,100-square-foot rooftop restaurant and bar at the top of the mixed-use building.

The rooftop restaurant and bar, which is scheduled to open in spring 2019, will be located on the 10th floor with indoor and outdoor seating. The space will have panoramic views of the city, stadiums and Ohio riverfront. Jonathan Holtzman, chairman and CEO of City Club Apartments, did not disclose the owners of the restaurant. He said in a news release the owners will introduce themselves and share additional details soon.

 

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Bakersfield, Eagle founders plan new OTR concept

 

Thunderdome Restaurant Group, which owns Bakersfield and the Eagle, is planning a new restaurant on Vine Street in Over-the-Rhine.

The yet-to-be-named Italian eatery will feature fresh pasta served in traditional and more creative styles, the Enquirer reports.

 

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3 minutes ago, Robuu said:

I guess there are mixed-messages on what 3CDC's rules actually are. Or maybe they don't really have rules, but decide on a case-by-case basis.

 

For my personal taste, the Thunderdome brand is getting really watered down. And it's disappointing that Vine Street, High Street, and Mass Ave are all starting to feel a bit samey with the Bakersfields and Eagles. You know how tech companies "reinvent" things like public transportation? It feels a bit like Thunderdome has done that with the chain restaurant, but in a way that people are slow to pick up on it. They've commodified/McDonaldized the twenty-teens' concept of authenticity.

 

This is not unique. It is happening all over the country. One of my favorite restaurants in Philly is a Szechuan place called Han Dynasty. They now have six restaurants in the Philly area, as well as locations in Brooklyn, Upper West Side, and East Village. I went to the Old City Philly location with a friend from NYC, not knowing that they had expanded yet. When we arrived she exclaimed, "Oh I've been to Han Dynasty! It's in the East Village! So great that they've expanded to Philly!" It made me irrationally angry that she thought it was an NYC restaurant haha.

I don't like that there are Thunderdome restaurants in Columbus, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Detroit, and Louisville. You can't go to a mid-sized city within 6 hours without finding an Eagle or Bakersfield. The growing homogeneity of cities is disappointing. In addition to place like Nada, Goodfellas, etc.

And then the successful places from Columbus and Cleveland and Indy etc are all setting up in the other cities as well (Pins Mechanical, 16-Bit, Mikey's Late Night Slice, Platform Brewery, etc)

If you have a successful business why would you not expand it to other similar cities?  You'd be stupid to only keep it as a one off location.  

It's a tough business to be in so I don't really begrudge anyone who has a successful concept that they can expand.  For every thunderdome you also have a tom & chee.

11 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

This is not unique. It is happening all over the country. One of my favorite restaurants in Philly is a Szechuan place called Han Dynasty. They now have six restaurants in the Philly area, as well as locations in Brooklyn, Upper West Side, and East Village. I went to the Old City Philly location with a friend from NYC, not knowing that they had expanded yet. When we arrived she exclaimed, "Oh I've been to Han Dynasty! It's in the East Village! So great that they've expanded to Philly!" It made me irrationally angry that she thought it was an NYC restaurant haha.

Do you know of other companies like Thunderdome Group where this is actually their business model?

 

11 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

I don't like that there are Thunderdome restaurants in Columbus, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Detroit, and Louisville. You can't go to a mid-sized city within 6 hours without finding an Eagle or Bakersfield. The growing homogeneity of cities is disappointing. In addition to place like Nada, Goodfellas, etc.

And then the successful places from Columbus and Cleveland and Indy etc are all setting up in the other cities as well (Pins Mechanical, 16-Bit, Mikey's Late Night Slice, Platform Brewery, etc) 

Yeah, the cities are becoming more like the suburbs, just with a different style/polish (and higher quality, more ethically sourced food). Though Thunderdome also has put a Maplewood out in the eastern burbs, so that line is kind of blurring also.

There's also that Senate out in Blue Ash. You can get the same "urban aesthetic" restaurant experience at nearly every small town or suburb at this point. 

“To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”

I don't blame Thunderdome. They are doing exactly what they should do to maximize profits. It's just unfortunate from the perspective of someone who likes to visit cities for their differences, not their similarities to where I live.

Well I'm sure if an off shoot of Noma opened up in OTR people would complain as well.

4 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

If you have a successful business why would you not expand it to other similar cities?  You'd be stupid to only keep it as a one off location. 

By expanding, you lose the ability to curate the experience of your restaurant to your own tastes and quality standards, and you lose the personal interaction with staff and customers. Many restaurant owners would not like that.

21 minutes ago, Robuu said:

By expanding, you lose the ability to curate the experience of your restaurant to your own tastes and quality standards, and you lose the personal interaction with staff and customers. Many restaurant owners would not like that.

 

Things that can easily be handled if done well.  Compare again thunderdome to tom & chee.

22 minutes ago, Robuu said:

Do you know of other companies like Thunderdome Group where this is actually their business model?

 

 

Yes. Starr Restaurant Group, another Philly example, has been doing this exact thing for years now. They now have locations of the same restaurants in Philly, DC, NYC, Miami, Atlantic City, and Paris. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr_Restaurants

 

I also think of Farmers Restaurant Group, which has several locations throughout the DC area and recently expanded into Philly. I'm sure more cities are being planned. 

 

I'm sure there are many more examples out there. 

30 minutes ago, Traveler Joe said:

 

Things that can easily be handled if done well.  Compare again thunderdome to tom & chee. 

They really can't be "easily handled." You can't replicate having the actual owner of a business spending hours each week in their restaurant with a chain of restaurants in multiple cities. Same with having the chef who is the creative mind behind all the dishes, you can't replicate having the chef spending hours in the kitchen across a chain. At best, you could get by with 2-4 nearby locations before the whole personal touch disappears completely.

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1 minute ago, Robuu said:

They really can't be "easily handled." You can't replicate having the actual owner of a business spending hours each week in their restaurant with a chain of restaurants in multiple cities. Same with having the chef who is the creative mind behind all the dishes, you can't replicate having the chef spending hours in the kitchen across a chain. At best, you could get by with 2-4 locations within the same metro before the whole personal touch disappears completely.

 

I understand that an owner or chef can not be in multiple places at once.  However I'd say proper hiring and a strong culture can overcome these aspects.  Have you noticed a change in quality of food at thunderdome in the past 5 years?  Does senate taste different now than when they were serving up hotdogs across the street from lavomatic?  I can't say that I have and I think if anything it shows that what you thought was a curated experience was just some really really well done marketing and interior design.  On the flip side who do you think is doing a really good job with this curated restaurant experience in town? Does going to french crust pass that test?

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