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NCR considering moving world headquarters to Atlanta                           

 

Dayton may be about to loose another major employer and this time it’s the company founded by one of Dayton’s great community leaders.

 

Word on the street is that NCR is looking at options to move its corporate operations to other cities, with serious consideration being given to the Atlanta area.

 

This is a dramatic shift in NCR’s strategy which just two years ago, before Mark Hurd left to take the helm at HP, was considering consolidating operations in Dayton.

 

This would be another mighty blow to the Dayton region.

 

What are the economic development experts doing about this one?

 

I’ll give you one guess!

 

...Ok, so its a rumor.  But that would leave yet another corporate HQ vacant in the region.

 

 

WOW! This is news to me, and I work there! I know that within my division there is supposed to be a big announcement coming, but nothing of this sort....rumors have us cutting the sales force, closing a plant....etc. etc. I guess we'll find out soon enough, there is a meeting scheduled with Nuti on Thursday to go over Q2 results. Right now, I'm going to go with this is just another rumor, but then again, Nuti hasn't moved to Dayton yet and flies back and forth between his home in  New York and working at WHQ in Dayton.

 

Also, they have pretty much consolidated EVERYTHING in dayton at this point, which is what Hurd wanted to too. I think this was completed a couple months ago, so why they would then consider uprooting everything again doesn't make sense. I know that NCR does have a mid sized office in Atlanta.

 

PS...I hope it's a rumor, or I'm going to be unemployed! :-(

 

 

daytonpolitics.com seems to be hit or miss with the accuracy of their scoops, so I'm going to hope that it is just an unfounded rumor

 

 

You Dayton forumers like to get yourselves worked up don't ya? The Baltimore Towers are coming down, NCR is leaving, the Arcade will be replaced with surface parking...lol. ;)

Atlanta is OK, but does every company have to have a headquarters there?

I seriously doubt any rumor that begins with the word "loose".  Yes the word exists.  But the correct spelling in this case is only 1 "o".  So the person that breathlessly is trying to get the world to believe that NCR is also leaving Dayton, can go back to cleaning cubicles.

Not surprised if it leaves; not surprised if it doesn't leave.

Ohio needs to squash GA and lower it's corporate income tax. Then Ohio will gain back companies it has lost to states like GA.

this better be a rumor....  :x

I've talked to quite a few people at work about this and though there may be some bias on our parts (we don't want to lose our jobs or move),we think this is just a rumor. NCR has been all about cost cutting lately and this move would not make sense, as everything has now been consolidated in Dayton, while selling everything else off. Also, the building we are in now on Patterson, is owned outright by NCR. If NCR were to move to Atlanta, they would have to fork out more $$$ to build a new building or to lease a new spot. The current Peachtree location in Atlanta is about a third of what WHQ is now. Also, spending more $$ right now is a big no no in the NCR world. Also, with the price of living being considerably higher in Atlanta, they would again have to spend more money on hiring people to do the exact same job they can pay employees here less to do. All around it doesn't make sense, but hey what do I really know. They only thing I can think of, is perhaps they are trying to get the city of Dayton to cut them a sweet deal. Who really knows!!??! But sentiment around the office is that it's more rumor than fact...and trust me we are very use to the rumors!  :-o

They only thing I can think of, is perhaps they are trying to get the city of Dayton to cut them a sweet deal.

If there is any truth to the rumor, I could see this being the case.  See what deal Georgia and Atlanta is willing give them and come back to officials in Dayton and threaten to leave if they don't match Atlanta's incentives.  I don't like it, but I guess that's just how companies do business today.

Don't Atlanta have enough companies? Is their goal, is to get as many as they can? The quality of life down there is going down hill.

I could see this being the case.  See what deal Georgia and Atlanta is willing give them and come back to officials in Dayton and threaten to leave if they don't match Atlanta's incentives.  I don't like it, but I guess that's just how companies do business today.

 

Way back during the Patterson era, Patterson did something like this..threaten to take the company out of Dayton if the city didnt shape up.

 

 

maybe NCR is just using Atlanta as a bluff, kind of like Chiquita did in Cinci last year

Yesterday I heard that NCR may move a unit or division and keep most of the company in Dayton and now daytonpolitics.com is reporting....

 

Speculation that Mark Hurd, former CEO of NCR and current CEO of HP, has his eye on NCR continues to spread.

 

Reportedly Hurd in interested in the profitable Teradata Division of NCR.  To acquire that part of NCR would, of course, require HP buy the entire company.

 

According to sources, if HP is successful in acquiring NCR, the Teradata Division would be headquartered out of Atlanta and the rest of NCR sold off.

Yesterday I heard that NCR may move a unit or division and keep most of the company in Dayton and now daytonpolitics.com is reporting....

 

Speculation that Mark Hurd, former CEO of NCR and current CEO of HP, has his eye on NCR continues to spread.

 

Reportedly Hurd in interested in the profitable Teradata Division of NCR.  To acquire that part of NCR would, of course, require HP buy the entire company.

 

According to sources, if HP is successful in acquiring NCR, the Teradata Division would be headquartered out of Atlanta and the rest of NCR sold off.

 

 

 

AH yes....we have been hearing this rumor since the beginning of 2006, though it would be a really hard task for Hurd to pull off. He REALLY wants Terdata (as this is the most profitable division of NCR) I think he has even tried to upstart a similar division at HP, but Teradata is untouched in what they do....they are highly succesful and profitable, and everyone else in their market (IBM) is playing catch-up. Will this deal go through? I'd be more inclined to say no, it doesn't make sense for Hurd or HP...as they will have to acquire all of NCR, which I think would result in more aggrevastion than good. This has been discussed on NCR yahoo message board, and here's what someone else had to say about the rumor:

 

This speculation has been floating around since January. Teradata may be what Hurd desires but other parts of NCR represent a poison pill to the deal. Teradata, WCS and perhaps FSD could be integrated into H-P. Retail could be sold to another Point of sale vendor such as IBM or Fujitsu but that would take time. Systemedia would be the albatross around Hurd's neck. I'm not sure if there would be a viable buyer for that unit.

 

The effort taken with integrating FSD, Tera and WCS into the HP fold combined with the efforts to sell Systemedia and Retail would consume considerable resources and take Hurd's focus away from having HP refine its execution efforts.

Has Ohio gained any company from Atlanta? If not i think they should start trying.

to hell with atlanta

I'm not even saying this out of being pissed that Ohio is losing a company to Atlanta but Atlanta is just flat out annoying. I have never seen such terrible traffic. There is absolutely no excuse for it, especially when their extensive rapid transit system was suppose to alleviate some of the congestion. I feel bad for anyone that has to move to Atlanta along with this company, I really do. Having to move and put up with traffic in ATL would seriously make me consider just finding a different job.

okay everyone....let's all just take a deep breath and relax. As of now, dayton is not losing NCR and it's not being moved to Atlanta. I sat through the Q2 meeting with Nuti today and nothing was even touched on of this magnitude. It's business as usual. The only thing that irks me, is that Nuti will NOT move dayton and in fact got his contract re-written as of yesterday, that he did not have to relocate. He will continue to commute between his home in NY and office in Dayton.

NCR relocation to cost 40 to 50 local jobs

Dayton Business Journal

 

NCR Corp. will move parts of its global customer service operations to Georgia, costing 40 to 50 Dayton area jobs.

 

Including Dayton, the jobs will be moved from a combination of locations, including Columbia, S.C. and Winnipeg, Canada. The move will create 916 jobs in Georgia over the next two years. The headquarters for NCR’s Worldwide Customer Services business will also be put in Georgia.

 

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Ellen Belcher: Ohio, Dayton got shut out in NCR move

By Ellen Belcher

Sunday, November 02, 2008

 

The Dayton region is always on red alert for other states trying to pick off work from Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

 

There's a network of people who like working at the base, or who used to work there and still live here, or whose job it is to know what's going on in the Air Force; they all keep in touch. When there's a hint somebody is trying to poach people or projects, they spring into action.

 

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What a shame. I don't understand companies at times. Dayton needs the jobs much more than Atlanta.

What don't you understand about antiquated tax structures, inflated costs of doing business, and a generally anti-competitive business environment? 

 

I completely agree with you that Dayton needs these jobs more than Atlanta.  Ohio doesn't appear to have rolled out the red carpet for NCR to get that built here.  I don't buy companies' allegation that they cannot find enough skilled workers here for jobs, thus they need to move to the South.  "If you build it, they will come."  Much of this becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. 

 

The bottom line, though, is that Ohio isn't viewed as being a pro-business state (and, yes, I understand that the business tax structure is in the process of change).  Perception often matters.

The Atlanta region has a more educated workforce that is younger and cheaper.  The amenities to attract these types of workers are readily available in the Atlanta region whereas they are scarce to come by in the Midwest...if you can find them at all.

 

I hate to see this happen, and to be honest it sickens me, but at the same time why wouldn't you move your company given the issues at play?  Eventually Ohio and the Midwest are going to have to wake up and start creating a niche where they have the inherent advantage.

I have one thing to say...."Ya'll"!  ::)

 

It time for Ohio to change the way it does business.

I would modify that to be "Sweet Tea Ya'll."

I would modify that to be "Sweet Tea Ya'll."

 

How about this?

 

 

Contrast NCR's feelings with those of our Canadian friends:

 

 

Canadian call center company looks at Cleveland area for outpost

By JAY MILLER

3:09 pm, October 30, 2008

 

A Canadian call center company is scouting the Richfield area for potential locations of a U. S. divisional headquarters that would build a staff of about 400 people over the next three years.

 

SP Data LLC, a rapidly growing company based in Toronto, plans to invest $2.5 million to bring its operation here, though it has not yet chosen a new building. On Monday, the Ohio Department of Development awarded the company a $311,000 job creation income tax credit.

 

“Ohio offers the most abundant and best skilled labor pool,” said SP Data CEO Dan Plashkes, in a written statement. “The people of Ohio have an excellent work ethic, and we believe the present market conditions are perfect for SP Data.

 

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pathetic.  those jobs are needed in CLEVELAND.  That's unskilled labor to be had!  ugh.

Why it it we have the cooperate offices here that aren't moving but they move satellite divisions?

 

Ohio has to be in danger of losing the big companies in the state, if it's so much cheaper to do business in GEORGIA.

WOO HOO!! GO PEACHTREE CITY!

 

Great city ... www.peachtree-city.org

 

here's a little about Peachtree City I wrote in another post

 

I live in Peachtree City Georgia. We have an estimated 80-120 miles of golfcart paths in town, with over 10,000 registered golf carts. This is not a retirement community. There are 5 villages with their own schools and shopping. Everything is zones so cant see the business from the street. We also have a seperate industrial village with business like NCR, Panasonic, Cooper lighting etc etc. There are 7 elementary schools, 2 middle and 2 high schools in our city.

If you visit the local high school, you"ll see hundreds of golf carts in student parking.

There are bridges and tunnels all over town for easy access to everything you can do.

For the fourth of july, there is even a huge parade with over 150 golf cart floats

It's GREAT!

 

 

On a serious note... they're still building homes and shopping here. The economy has luckily not affected the are as much as others...

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is this some sort of planned community or new town thing?

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is this some sort of planned community or new town thing?

from wiki...

 

Peachtree City (zip code 30269) is a city in Fayette County, Georgia, United States. One of the newest planned cities in Georgia, Peachtree City was chartered on March 9, 1959. Founded in 1979 as Peachtree City Development Corp., Pathway Communities has been the principal planner of Peachtree City. The city was developed into four separate villages (Aberdeen, Braelinn, Glenloch and Kedron), each with its own shopping areas, recreational facilities, and elementary schools. Since initial development, the city's amenities have expanded to include four swimming pools, a soccer complex, an ALTA-approved tennis center, baseball, softball, and football fields, a 2,000-seat amphitheater, a BMX track, a senior center, a teen center, numerous parks and playgrounds, and the Kedron Fieldhouse and Aquatic Center.The population was 31,580 at the 2000 census. Census Estimates of 2005 indicate a population of 34,524. In 2007 the city announced a plan to formally annex an unincorporated area between Georgia State Route 74 and the border with Coweta County line that is commonly referred to as "The West Village".

 

The geographic center of Peachtree City is generally considered to be the intersection of Georgia State Route 54 and Georgia State Route 74.

 

Peachtree City has a system of golf cart paths which spider across the town and provide a secondary means of access to almost any destination within city limits. Many places of business have specially designated golf cart parking spaces and the Peachtree City Police Department has several golf carts that patrol along the paths. Many households own a golf cart (9000+ and more than any city in the world), which is used as an extra vehicle for local transportation. Children as young as twelve may operate a cart on Peachtree City cart paths with a parent, grandparent or guardian in the front seat. Unaccompanied fifteen-year-olds with valid Georgia Learner's Permits are allowed to operate golf carts alone. Students at local McIntosh High School are even encouraged to drive their golf carts to school due to limited parking. The golf cart paths are also used by bikers, joggers, and pedestrians as a safer alternative to the side of the road.

 

Peachtree City is home to a small airport, Falcon Field, which hosts a medium-sized airshow every year. The airport is also the location of a National Weather Service radar station and Weather Forecast Office, which serves 96 counties in North and Central Georgia. Peachtree City is also the city of license for WWLG (96.7 FM), a Classic Country radio station that covers the south Atlanta metro area.

 

Peachtree City has been designated a Foreign Trade Zone by the US Customs Service. A Foreign Trade Zone is a site in or near a U.S. Customs port of entry (in this case Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport), designated free of Customs entry procedures.

 

In February 2003, Golf Digest magazine discussed the traffic congestion caused by Peachtree City's 9000+ golf carts in an article entitled "Golf Cart Gridlock". In July 2005, CNN/Money and Money magazine ranked Peachtree City eighth on its list of the 100 Best Places to Live in the United States.

 

Peachtree City has two lakes. The first of which is Lake Kedron to the North which is simply a reservoir that supplies Lake Peachtree to the south via Flat Creek. Lake Kedron is actually owned by the Fayette County Authority despite being completely inside Peachtree City City limits. This is done to keep Lake Peachtree full whenever there is a lack of rain and still allow for recreational use of the lake during droughts. Lake Kedron is not afforded any recreational use except for fishing.

 

Line Creek represents the border between West Peachtree City and Coweta County. Future plans call for Line Creek to be dammed up to form a third lake called Lake McIntosh.

 

Shakerag Hill is the tallest point in the City and it sits at the intersection of GA Hwy 54 and Robinson Road, another street artery of the city.

 

Peachtree City has several golf courses:

 

Flat Creek has 27 holes

Braelinn has 18 holes

Planterra has 18 holes

All three golf courses are owned by Canongate, a golfing association that owns 18 golf courses in Metro Atlanta and 1 in South Carolina covering over 405 holes.

 

 

I live in Peachtree City Georgia. We have an estimated 80-120 miles of golfcart paths in town, with over 10,000 registered golf carts. This is not a retirement community. There are 5 villages with their own schools and shopping. Everything is zones so cant see the business from the street. We also have a seperate industrial village with business like NCR, Panasonic, Cooper lighting etc etc.

 

I just puked a little bit in my mouth.

SWEET!

 

I live in Peachtree City Georgia. We have an estimated 80-120 miles of golfcart paths in town, with over 10,000 registered golf carts. This is not a retirement community. There are 5 villages with their own schools and shopping. Everything is zones so cant see the business from the street. We also have a seperate industrial village with business like NCR, Panasonic, Cooper lighting etc etc.

 

I just puked a little bit in my mouth.

What point are you trying to make "yo"? Rub it in?

I just puked a little bit in my mouth.

 

 

LOL! OMG I've missed reading these threads!  :lol:

How many people live in a real life "Stepford"?...

 

What point are you trying to make "yo"? Rub it in?

I'm going to slit my wrist and donate all my clothing after reading Yo's posts.

 

Now, do you people understand why I strongly dislike the south??!!!

Peachtree City is a lot better that the typical "y'all sprawl", and looks like it  was ahead of its time, even for Ohio.  Using golf carts to get around would be environmentally freindly since they run on batteries..no gas consumption or emissions.  You could drive the cart to go shopping, school, etc, presumably if all this was within range of the cart.

 

Sort of an alternative way to do suburbia without using that neotraditionalist concept.

Zactly.  The town has 3 Krogers, 2 Publix a Walmart and Target. Plus a higher end spot with William Sonoma, Banana Republic, Talbot, Black/White market etc etc.  There is a BMX track, dog park, 2500 seat amphitheater, Indoor/outdoor pool, roller hocky rink, tennis center with hard/clay and indoor courts, 4 private golf clubs, tons of soccer and baseball fields.. even some with that new turf crap since it's headquartered here... houses from $100k to $4 million...

 

Plus two large lakes with a third on the way... a village set aside JUST for industrial... they did it right...

 

Peachtree City is a lot better that the typical "y'all sprawl", and looks like it was ahead of its time, even for Ohio. Using golf carts to get around would be environmentally freindly since they run on batteries..no gas consumption or emissions. You could drive the cart to go shopping, school, etc, presumably if all this was within range of the cart.

 

Sort of an alternative way to do suburbia without using that neotraditionalist concept.

Maybe this is just me, but am I the only one who thinks of the stepford wives after reading these Peachtree, Georgia posts? Anyways, that not the topic, but it may make a cool pictures thread.

 

Still, though, these are good NCR jobs that are going to Atlanta, and this trend doesn't make me too happy, especially since I am sure that the City of Dayton would have offered incentives out the wazoo if the jobs would have stayed here. With this economic climate, Ohio can't afford to lose any jobs, even low-paying ones.

It might be time to make incentives before a company even talks about moving a division. I don't care what anyone says. This company did not move down there because of a BMX track, dog park 2500 seat amphitheater, etc.

It might be time to make incentives before a company even talks about moving a division. I don't care what anyone says. This company did not move down there because of a BMX track, dog park 2500 seat amphitheater, etc.

 

AMEN!

The Atlanta region has a more educated workforce that is younger and cheaper. The amenities to attract these types of workers are readily available in the Atlanta region whereas they are scarce to come by in the Midwest...if you can find them at all....

Which "amenities" are you referring to?  seriously.

The Atlanta region has a more educated workforce that is younger and cheaper.  The amenities to attract these types of workers are readily available in the Atlanta region whereas they are scarce to come by in the Midwest...if you can find them at all....

Which "amenities" are you referring to?  seriously.

 

Lots of apartments to choose from all over the region, executive housing options, well-known/great night life, trendy shopping and lots of it, and the affordability is comparable to Midwestern markets.

The Atlanta region has a more educated workforce that is younger and cheaper.  The amenities to attract these types of workers are readily available in the Atlanta region whereas they are scarce to come by in the Midwest...if you can find them at all....

Which "amenities" are you referring to?  seriously.

 

Lots of apartments to choose from all over the region, executive housing options, well-known/great night life, trendy shopping and lots of it, and the affordability is comparable to Midwestern markets.

 

In PEACHTREE CITY?  Atlanta, yes.  Peachtree City, I'm not so sure of.

^Yes, that's why I said the Atlanta region.  Peachtree City is pretty far out there.

^Yes, that's why I said the Atlanta region.  Peachtree City is pretty far out there.

 

Exactly.  So that I can have a better understanding of your thought process, can you explain why you mention ATL?  Atlanta has no relevance to this relocation.  You yourself agree that Peachtree City is pretty far out.  IIRC, it's about 1 hour/1:15 away from Atlanta.  How did ATL become apart of the discussion?

 

And to say those "amenities" are scares in the midwest is misleading as all the things you mentioned are readily available in Cleveland, Chicago and Minn.

 

I'm with Boreal on this one.