Sounds like Atlanta is playing with other parts of the states money to fund this. I have no idea how they are able to afford everything.

Doesnt matter where it is, it will never be a huge draw.

Atlanta poaches another one from the Midwest:

 

College Football Hall of Fame moves from South Bend to Atlanta

http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20090923/News01/909239955/-1/news&updates=1

 

$50 million package

 

 

Wow, that really amazes me. I didn't know that you could poach museums.

 

absolutely and there are even more local examples than that. recently lorain was poaching the great lakes museum from vermilion, until toledo apparantly has poached it from lorain. another example is in the early 80's tampa poached the salvador dali museum from cleveland.

 

 

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ps -- is it too early to do a nostalgic ncr post-mortum yet?  :|

 

my spouse worked at ncr out of hs in the early 80's. she has a funny memory of walking in to work one day and talking to the ceo who was standing outside in the parking lot with a garden hose spraying water on an early atm machine. now that was what you call product testing!  :laugh:

 

The Salvador Dali museum is in St. Petersburg, FL.  In their defense, it is my understanding that the Cleveland Museum of Art did not want to devote so much of there space to one artist and so declined the collection when it was offered.  The offer was then extended to St. Petersburg. 

^I thought it was also because the owners of the collection (which is still in private hands--I think) were relocating to Fla. No? I just remember seeing the collection (in an office building) in its Beachwood location on a HS field trip. I think that might have been its inaugural year--1972(?); and I believe they're currently building a new wing in St. Petersburg...

^ yes, far as i know it is and was a private collection.

 

the official or at least dali approved dali museums are in spain:

http://www.salvador-dali.org/museus/en_index.html

 

i saw the clev dali museum in its last setting just before it moved to florida. i cant remember where it was, i want to say the galleria, but thats not right. downtown somewhere?

 

btw -- if it was offered to them, the cle museum of art made the right choice.

 

 

Why would you say it was the right choice to let it go?  I would think that it is a nice enough collection to have warranted them adding on space or a new stand alone facility to have kept it.  The museum in St. Petersburg certainly seems to draw well, and to keep up a roster of special events and exhibitions going around the main body to keep it fresh.

what are you projecting? i didnt say that. i said it was the right choice for the cle museum of art not to accept it even if it was offered to them, which i doubt it was anyway. pretty sure its still in private hands down there. of course it would be better if the dali museum was still in cleveland.

 

i said it was the right choice for the cle museum of art not to accept it even if it was offered to them,

 

All I was asking is why you think that.

you really answered your own question, the separate dali museum draws well enough. yes i suppose the cle museum could have run it in another building as an annex, but at what price? what would they have not acquired over the last 25 years if they had to purchase it? the cle museum is painstakingly representative, why make it so overly focused on one person in such a kitschy minor genre?

 

 

 

Why would you say it was the right choice to let it go?  I would think that it is a nice enough collection to have warranted them adding on space or a new stand alone facility to have kept it.  The museum in St. Petersburg certainly seems to draw well, and to keep up a roster of special events and exhibitions going around the main body to keep it fresh.

 

What else have they got going for them??  I agree with mrnyc.

 

Also IIRC, the folks that own the collection tried to shop it around to the big five museums and they balked.  Then they tried the mid level guys and finaly St. Pete put up the money.

 

Anywhooo.....what does any of this have to do with the NCR World headquarters Relocation?

you really answered your own question, the separate dali museum draws well enough. yes i suppose the cle museum could have run it in another building as an annex, but at what price? what would they have not acquired over the last 25 years if they had to purchase it? the cle museum is painstakingly representative, why make it so overly focused on one person in such a kitschy minor genre?

 

 

 

although Dali is not my favorite artist, in fairness, I don't think Surrealism can be termed a "kitschy minor genre!" (Rene Magritte, Yves Tanguy, Joan Miro, Max Ernst, Giorgio de Chirico)

Anywhooo.....what does any of this have to do with the NCR World headquarters Relocation?

 

Ahem....

Interesting...

 

October 12, 2009 - The University of Dayton has entered into discussions with NCR Corp. to purchase its former world headquarters and the surrounding 105 acres. The University can release no other information while discussions are ongoing.

 

http://news.udayton.edu/News_Article/?contentId=25452

That is a good move for the university, if for the land only as you don't get that many opportunities to get that much land adjacent to an urban university.  Not sure about what they would do with the building though, that thing is huge.

^As PrftTimeOfDay mentioned on his or her thread, maybe the UDRI could use it?

 

Personally, I think it would be great for the business school to use, especially with its top-ranked entrepreneurship program.

^As PrftTimeOfDay mentioned on his or her thread, maybe the UDRI could use it?

 

Personally, I think it would be great for the business school to use, especially with its top-ranked entrepreneurship program.

 

I think the plan is for UDRI to occupy the building and expand its operation at the former NCR WHQ. I think it's a fantastic move for the university and udri.

 

As for the business school, I think there's already something in the works for them with the land that was previously purchased along stewart st. I believe the plan is to put retail/business ventures on the bottom floors of those buildings (like university place) and its going to tie into the entrepreneurship program. . .but what is also REALLY cool is that UD is working with the job center to have people (think displaced factory workers or working poor) work in these businesses so they can develop their skillsets as they go to sinclair and then onto potentially a 4 year school so they can receive the skills needed for better employment. I'm uber impressed at how much UD has done for this area and they do so without much fanfare. . .I think they've done more than the city government has for dayton.

^ as an Alum that was involved with the student government I know that it was instilled that we should do more than just working for the University but also work with the surrounding area.  I'm sure that this wasn't just the sudents that encouraged this line of thought but some of the advisors.  So I can believe it when you say that UD may be doing more than the city gov. as it is something that had been brought forth year after year.

It bounced around the webs yesterday, but UD came in second for universities that are 'friendly' to their host cities.

UD used to be somewhat insular, but they have really engaged with the city over the past 15 years or so.  What they did with the "student ghetto" was really innovative.  They participated in the Fairgrounds neighborhood revival and in the new stuff on Brown.

 

And this other stuff sounds even better!  Really innovative.  I can see the NCR site as a good "research park" type environment.

 

I guess Bill-O the Nut Job is currently in the process of obtaining what he deserves...

 

 

NCR Corp. Q3 profit dives, will cut 2,200 jobs

Dayton Business Journal

Thursday, October 22, 2009

 

NCR Corp. reported Thursday its profit plunged about 79 percent following impairment charges, litigation charges and the impact of the recession. It also will cut up to 2,200 jobs.

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2009/10/19/daily80.html

 

 

wow

 

Maybe that's why they accepted that deal so fast. They knew what was coming.

NCR has the market locked - went to an ICBC (Industrial and Commercial Bank of China) and noticed that they were all NCR machines. Hope some good news comes Dayton's way.

cowardly that ncr waits to make itself smaller until after they move hq out. no bosses left to complain to.

 

otoh i'm glad to hear ud is taking over the ncr campus or some of it. if ud was able to do it then it seems almost like a natural extension of the campus to me.

The sad thing is they'll probably just make the lower-ranked people work harder for less pay while Billhole and the executives who sit on their asses give themselves a pay raise next year!

 

Exctly, but then he'll drive the company into the ground and bankrupt it, and us Daytonians can be amused by the fact that the company crashed and burned somewhere that was not on our home turf. Raw deal for the workers, though :(

I bet UD is still negotiating.  NCR sold the Moraine Farm to Kettering Hospital for $2.5M after listing it for $8M.  UD's probably seeing how low NCR will go.  I doubt NCR is entertaining any other prospective buyers.

Press release from UD:

 

University Buys NCR Headquarters

The University of Dayton has purchased 115 acres, including NCR Corporation's former world headquarters and Old River Park, for $18 million from the global technology company.

 

 

December 21, 2009 - The University of Dayton has purchased 115 acres, including NCR Corporation's former world headquarters and Old River Park, for $18 million from the global technology company, University of Dayton President Daniel J. Curran announced today.

 

The University will move its expanding world-class Research Institute into the building at 1700 S. Patterson Blvd., providing a signature facility for its research arm. UDRI conducts nearly $100 million annually in sponsored research and just received its largest contract in history — $49.5 million to develop advanced jet fuels and combustion technologies for the Air Force.

 

The 455,000-square-foot, five-story building along the Great Miami River also will provide a prominent home for a proposed Alumni Center envisioned in the University's master plan, as well as for graduate classes, executive development programs and conferences. One of the largest office buildings in the region, the furnished facility includes offices, classrooms, an auditorium, a dining facility and a 1,600-space parking lot.

 

"This is an exceptional opportunity for the University of Dayton to invest in our future — and this region's destiny," Curran said. "This striking facility offers a tremendous venue for education, research and National Alumni Association programs. It's a real statement about the forward-thinking nature of the University of Dayton."

 

NCR officials believe the transfer will provide continued momentum for the University of Dayton and a boost for the Dayton region. "NCR is proud to complete this transaction with the University of Dayton," said Jeff McCroskey, NCR vice president of global operations. "The prominence and unique nature of the property make this sale beneficial for the University of Dayton, and we are confident that this property will provide benefit to the community of Dayton for years to come."

 

The Research Institute has added 35 employees over the past year and has been constrained by space for several years. This acquisition provides the institute with much-needed space for expansion, and the consolidation of operations will provide opportunities for collaborative and interdisciplinary research.

 

Approximately 260 researchers, support personnel and students are expected to move out of Kettering Laboratories, Caldwell Street Center and other campus locations and into the building over the next three years. About 160 researchers will continue to work at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and leased space around Dayton. The institute will maintain the Shroyer Park Center, though some operations may move to the new building while others replace them to take advantage of synergies.

 

The vacated space in Kettering Laboratories will allow the School of Engineering to expand and provide space for the Ohio Research Scholars; the ETHOS program that sends engineering students to developing countries to provide technical know-how; and, potentially, a STEM Center envisioned in the University's master plan. UDRI's move will allow for more parking on the historic portion of campus.

 

University officials say the Fortune 500 company's former headquarters also will provide consolidated space and ample parking for graduate classes and an administrative office. This fall, graduate enrollment climbed 11 percent — a 12-year high for fall semester enrollment. The University enrolls approximately 3,000 graduate students and is projecting future growth.

 

A portion of the building will be renovated for an Alumni Center — providing a highly visible venue for alumni events, lifelong learning programs and chapter meetings.

 

"This will be a new landmark location for the University of Dayton's 100,000 alumni," Curran said. "Alumni value and cherish their alma mater. This center will engage them in powerful ways. We'll be able to tell our story in an outstanding way in this building by having a venue to showcase videotaped oral histories and memorabilia."

 

Above all, the facility will build upon the University of Dayton's momentum in research growth. The University is ranked as a national research university and has turned into an advanced technology powerhouse in the state. Sponsored research has nearly tripled in the past decade, rising from $37.1 million to $96.5 million. During a down economy last year, the University of Dayton experienced a double-digit jump in research revenues and remains second in the nation in materials research, according to the National Science Foundation. No other Catholic university performs more sponsored engineering research.

 

"The University of Dayton's research prowess and reputation — particularly in areas such as high-performance materials, sensors, nanotechnology and energy — attract excellent students, scholars and researchers to Dayton, where we are working hand in hand with the region to create a future of innovation and invention," Curran said.

 

The University, primarily through its Research Institute, has built a strong reputation for combining technology development with economic development. This reputation gave the University and its partners — the city of Dayton, Montgomery County, the Dayton Development Coalition and CityWide Development Corp. — a competitive edge in securing the state's first Ohio Hub of Innovation and Opportunity. The Aerospace Hub will focus on growing technology jobs in the areas of materials, advanced manufacturing, sensors and sensor integration — all areas of research strength for the institute. The new facility has the potential of serving as a collaborative research enterprise similar to the University's successful IDCAST venture at Tech Town. A portion is envisioned as innovation space for start-up technology companies focused on high-performance materials.

 

The 48-acre Old River Park will continued to be managed by Dayton History through an operating agreement. University officials say a portion could be used as an environmental lab for faculty and students.

 

NCR will lease its former headquarters through part of 2010. It will continue to own and maintain a data center located near the former headquarters building.

 

With the new purchase, the University of Dayton's campus now spans 373 acres. In 2005, the University acquired from NCR Corporation a 50-acre parcel of property that extended the core campus from Brown Street to the Great Miami River. Since then, the University of Dayton has purchased an additional five acres from the global technology company.

 

In the past decade, the University has invested more than $200 million in new construction and renovations. Since 2002, the University has raised more than $175 million in private support for scholarships, endowed faculty positions and facilities while increasing first-year applications to record levels.

Fantastic news!

Also, a video of the NCR HQ building at this link:  http://news.udayton.edu/News_Article/?contentId=25721

NYTimes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/education/22dayton.html?_r=2

 

University of Dayton Buys Former NCR Headquarters

By BOB DRIEHAUS

CINCINNATI — The University of Dayton has purchased the former world headquarters of the NCR Corporation for $18 million, in an effort to expand its campus and begin to fill the void left by Dayton’s loss of its sole Fortune 500 company.

 

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Dayton follows several other universities that have capitalized on the shifting business landscape caused by the recession, including the University of Michigan’s acquisition of Pfizer’s abandoned complex adjacent to campus and Yale University’s acquisition of a former Bayer property in West Haven, Conn.

 

Lawrence A. Molnar, associate director of the University of Michigan’s Institute for Research on Labor, Employment and the Economy, said property transfers like Dayton’s provide a relatively cheap avenue for universities to grow and promote economic diversity for the surrounding community.

 

 

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Daniel J. Curran, university president, hopes the takeover will help the city, both in terms of economic development and psychologically.

 

“What could have been a symbol of decline becomes a symbol of forward thinking and revitalization,” Mr. Curran said.

 

The university hopes to stimulate a new generation of small businesses through the research institute’s expanded business incubator, whose entrepreneurs will work alongside university researchers trying to move Dayton away from its historic dependency on manufacturing jobs.

 

The institute has grown by 35 employees in the last year to conduct nearly $100 million annually in research, including a new $49.5 million contract to develop advanced jet fuels and combustion technologies for the Air Force. Dayton works closely with nearby Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

 

Mr. Curran said the university would actively seek new grants and the expansion of the business incubator given its new space.

 

Nice.

Good use of that building.  That had the potential of being yet another Dayton White Elephant.  Now its a near-perfect addition to the UD campus.  Get that NCR logo off quick!  Please! 

Get that NCR logo off quick! Please!

 

Agree!  This is great news!  Let's get their name off of this thread too!

Get that NCR logo off quick! Please!

 

Agree! This is great news!   Let's get their name off of this thread too!

 

Tru Dat!!!!

 

This is the best news I've heard in a long time.

 

Screw Bill-O :):):):):) (and I hope he doesn't like it ;))

Video from UD about purchase:

 

Press conference highlights:

This is fantastic news for Dayton. Hopefully this the defibrillator that jump-starts the heart of a dying city.

http://www.ajc.com/business/ohio-s-pain-is-321987.html

 

Haven't posted here in a while, but I thought you all might want to see this (somewhat arrogant) article about Atlanta stealing Ohio's companies.  Personally, I find the AJC newspaper acts as the PR department of the Metro Atlanta Chamber (the chief instigator of the City's company-poaching operations).

There is no union jobs in Atlanta?

Personally, I find the AJC newspaper acts as the PR department of the Metro Atlanta Chamber (the chief instigator of the City's company-poaching operations).

IMAGINE THAT! A newspaper that promotes its region instead of kicks it while its down.

Great article here. Shows that we really ARE a desirable place to live ;)

 

(take that, Bill-O!!!!!)

(sometime, I should really shoot the jerk an E-Mail.....)

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http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/ncr-employees-find-jobs-without-moving-to-atlanta-566825.html

 

 

NCR employees find jobs without moving to Atlanta

 

Alex Lashchuk turned down an offer to continue his employment with NCR in Atlanta and opted to take a job with a Vandalia company. Deciding to stay in the area also allows Lashchuk and his wife, Rita, and son David, 1, who all live in Troy, to be closer to their extended family.

 

By Jim DeBrosse, Staff Writer

Updated 9:47 AM Thursday, February 25, 2010

Alex Lashchuk, an NCR employee of five years, said he wasnt about to go to a strange city with no family there when NCR announced it was moving to the Atlanta area in June.

 

Lashchuk, 32, found a comparable job with Waibel Energy Systems of Vandalia, where hes now a lead software developer. You can make a bigger difference and get ahead a lot more quickly in a small company, and thats a win-win situation for both.

 

NCR wont disclose how many of its 1,200 employees in Dayton were offered positions in Atlanta or how many accepted. But local business leaders say theyve heard from NCR insiders that far fewer are choosing to stay with NCR than the firm had hoped.

 

^Those Ohioans did not want to get knifed while they are out and about.

This is the context underlying the battle over the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion. Thanks to a Supreme Court ruling, states that already had more robust programs to assist the poor are getting a huge influx of federal dollars for their social welfare systems, and those with the stingiest are losing out. So the blue-red gap that was already widening is going to become a yawning chasm in at least the near future.

 

But that’s a bloodless analysis of state budget numbers. MSNBC reporter Suzy Khimm took a deep dive into the human costs one segment of the population is paying — she went down to Georgia and looked at how the Peach State’s refusal to expand Medicaid is hurting the mentally ill.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/21/poor-mentally-ill-and-living-in-a-deep-red-state/