Franklinton, Ohio

 

named after ol' ben, it is central ohio's first settlement, started in 1797 by lucas sullivan, a virginian surveyor. built on the low side of the scioto river, it is known locally as the bottoms. most of the people in the western suburbs are afraid to come down here (but there a bunch of sods, the whole lot of 'em :) ). in 1803 as ohio became a state, franklinton was the first county seat of franklin county. soon later the town bribed the state with a capitol and jail to build the capital across the river. so it goes.

sullivan planned on making it a canal town, but he died before he could make it so. in 1871 columbus annexed it, and it is now known for flooding all the time. a recently built floodwall will help, and with it new developments should follow. franklinton is home to the science museum, vets. memorial, and cooper stadium.

 

there is columbus

those of you with the building ohio book might recognize this

the columbus version of spaghetti warehouse

now to the good stuff

oooh leveque

needs some help

okay

possibly franklinton's highest...that title might be mt. carmel hospital too though

abandoned school

residences

storm clouds appeared every once in a while

green

um?

usual looking columbus rowhouse

well usually the dope dealers kill each other, so it'll work itself out to just one...then kill him

the house on the right: see the chimney on top? i've stood on top of it a few years ago...it has a Great view of the skyline

another abandoned school

some things

most street names on the western half are named after famous universities(yale, chicago, harvard, princeton,...)

notice how different the sky is already

another school, not abandoned

The sullivant

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avondale elementary school...some president came here (or maybe it was Gore?) a few years ago. in their attempt to 'help' urban schools

towards mt. carmel hospital and downtown

last one.

and city hall with a crane and the christmas tree

 

 

 

As a former county seat, does it count toward your total?  Or maybe you have to subtract one...

 

Anyway, nice tour.  I like all the Columbus stuff we've been seeing here lately.

Lots of character, especially the school buildings. If in fact the neighborhood is on the verge of a renaissance, it might be a challenge for people with money who aren't afraid of risky speculative investment. I'll bet some of those properties could be bought cheap, and might be worth a bundle in a few years.

Franklinton vs. Columbus.

 

Franklinton lost.

Pretty much ^

Is Cooper Stadium considered Franklinton, or is that a different neighborhood?

Is Cooper Stadium considered Franklinton, or is that a different neighborhood?

 

I believe the Coop is considered within Franklinton.  I don't know of any other neighborhood it would be under consideration for.

The coop is in Franklin Township, but I think most people would associate it with Franklinton.

Is Franklin Township part of Columbus?

Is Franklin Township part of Columbus?

 

Franklin Twp. is part of Franklin Co, but is not part of Columbus.  Land that is incorporated in Ohio cannot be under the jurisdiction of townships.

I was under the impression that incorporated places could be under the jurisdiction of both city and a township, or be independent of the township.  For instance, I live in both Beavercreek city and Beavercreek Township (I vote for township trustees and such), whereas other cities are not part of any township.  Of course, it would be weird for a large city like Columbus to include a township, but I just thought I'd suggest my understanding, in case it is wrong in some way.

I was under the impression that incorporated places could be under the jurisdiction of both city and a township, or be independent of the township. For instance, I live in both Beavercreek city and Beavercreek Township (I vote for township trustees and such), whereas other cities are not part of any township. Of course, it would be weird for a large city like Columbus to include a township, but I just thought I'd suggest my understanding, in case it is wrong in some way.

 

You are represented by either a township or a city, not both.  That's why cities (even Columbus) have to go to the county concerning annexations.

Now, I am not as certain concerning the division of powers between cities and county gov'ts.

Hmm... well I know I vote for Township officers and some issues despite living in an incorporated place, whatever that implies.  Also, a Census page summarizing boundary changes (here) lists a lot of "such-and-such a city became independent of such-and-such a township" along with "such-and-such a township's area reduced as a result of such-and-such a city becoming independent."  I don't know what that means in terms of jurisdiction, but there it is.

cooper stadium isn't in columbus, but everyone says franklinton as where it is. i-70 cuts off most access between the two though.

oh and its lucas sullivant i meant to say not sullivan

 

townships offer fire stations to people whether incorporated or not, like for the smaller cities. hilliard for example is served by norwich township, because they dont have a FD. but mostly townships mean little for in-city livers

PigBoy, do you also vote for Beavercreek city council?

 

The reason I ask is that Beavercreek is a home-rule city and it wouldn't make any sense for city citizens to also vote for township trustees.

 

I've never seen an incorporated place that was ruled by township trustees.

^ Yes, we vote for city council members and everything else involving the city, but for some reason also some township things (but not all township things, I think).  I suppose the township trustees don't have any power over the incorporated areas, but we are still considered part of the township, so I guess we vote for them.  The relationship between city and township has always been confusing to me.

 

In any case, I'm pretty sure there are incorporated places that are considered part of the township, even if the township does not have any jurisdiction.  Beavercreek township, I believe, contains the following:  Beavercreek city, Fairborn city (a small part of it), WPAFB (part, again), and unincorporated areas.  I suppose the township offices only have power over the unincorporated parts.  (There is also a small part that was Beavercreek Township but is now Kettering city and no longer a part of any township.)

 

So as I see it, you can have a city that is part of a township (even if it really means nothing), but I don't think an entire township can be part of a city.  I believe a township ceases to exist if all of it is incorporated in a city.  But like I said, it's all confusing to me, so I'm probably wrong about something.

Well, ALL cities and villages were once part of a township, of course.  Townships are only unincorporated subdivisions of a county.  Cities and villages are corporations that are independent of the county and are granted home-rule powers by the Ohio constitution.

Okay, here is section of the Ohio Revised Code that clears up a little bit for me:

 

§ 503.09. Petition to erect new township excluding territory of municipal corporation.

Where a township contains a municipal corporation, either in whole or in part, if a majority of the freehold electors owning land in the portion of such a township outside the municipal corporation's corporate limits, petitions, with a map accurately setting forth such territory, praying to have such territory erected into a new township, and excluding the territory within the municipal corporation, the board of county commissioners shall enter an order erecting such territory into a new township, the boundaries of which need not include twenty-two square miles of territory. Upon the erection of such new township, the territory lying within the limits of the municipal corporation in the original township shall be considered as not being located in any township.

 

So basically, I gather that an incorporated city or village is still part of the township out of which it formed unless the county is petitioned to exclude the corporation from the township.  So, to use my county as an example again, Beavercreek city is still a part of Beavercreek township, but Xenia city is not part of Xenia township.  I don't know why there are the different arrangements; I suppose sometimes for stuff like fire stations, like Summit Street mentioned.

Unlike Olde Towne East on the opposite side off of downtown, not much worth saving here. It's the perfect place to replace those boarded up, abandoned, ugly, old low rise buildings with higher-density gentrification while being done in a way so that residents there don't have to move. Some will probably have to for economic reasons, but hey, a gentrified Franklinton would be so much better than what it is now.

Unlike Olde Towne East on the opposite side off of downtown, not much worth saving here. It's the perfect place to replace those boarded up, abandoned, ugly, old low rise buildings with higher-density gentrification while being done in a way so that residents there don't have to move. Some will probably have to for economic reasons, but hey, a gentrified Franklinton would be so much better than what it is now.

 

Eh, I don't think gentrification is the answer for Franklinton.  I think community improvement and "densification" is the key.  I really don't want to see the Starbucks crowd hop over the river and invade it with Flag Wars Part Deux.  I just want it cleaned up :).

 

 

another school, not abandoned

 

 

I went to school there...and lived directly across from it on the opposite side of the street.

 

I really love the pictures we see here.  I really love the abadoned school buildings!  I hope they can be salvaged somehow.  Franklinton will hopefully be doing better here soon as the building ban I believe was lifted at the completion of the Franklinton Flood Wall. 

Yeah flooding really sent this neighborhood downhill. I remember my old school having a line drawn inside showing how high the 1913 flood was and it was like 2 stories high. That neighborhood was white trash central but I still miss the hell out of it.

^So how does Franklinton compare to F St?

I've never heard anyone call it "Franklinton".

How do you want me to compare it? Dana Ave --my street, I think is worse as far as crime but the housing stock is nicer. I think it's gotten nicer in the past few years. Seems like a few years ago a lot more stuff was boarded up and there was a house on Princeton--the street perpendicular to Dana that literally had spraypainted on it "this is a crackhouse. Buy cheap sluts here". Sad part is they left the spraypaint on for a LONG time.

 

My brother just moved out of public housing complex on McDowell, talk about depressing, that area needs more work than anywhere. Theres some warehouses that look abandoned; they sit right next to rows of houses...they'd make great condos.