^Nice. I keep forgetting that the exhibit hall run all the way too the MedMart and not just under the mall.

 

Very pretty sky out over the lake too. Although they were a bit liberal with the use of tree for the look out over CBS and GLSC out of the Grand Ballroom.

Very nice.

Noticed something yesterday.  I hadn't realized (or, more likely, had forgot) there would be an elevation at the south end of Mall B.  Seems like the structural steel for the roof of the CC starts at street level and then quickly rises up to about 10 or maybe more feet above street level as it progresses north.  I'm sure this was done to create higher ceilings in the exhibit hall.  The engineering on this project is a sight to see. 

I always wondered why they didnt do the elevations on the south end of Mall B instead. That would make the entrance be right by the Medical Mart, and give Mall A a cool boxed in look.

Noticed something yesterday.  I hadn't realized (or, more likely, had forgot) there would be an elevation at the south end of Mall B.  Seems like the structural steel for the roof of the CC starts at street level and then quickly rises up to about 10 or maybe more feet above street level as it progresses north.  I'm sure this was done to create higher ceilings in the exhibit hall.  The engineering on this project is a sight to see. 

 

It was done to create a street level entrance (so will serve as an observation platform on top).  Im still curious to see how raised the whole ceiling will end up, since it is supposed to be higher than the old surface.  Hopefully its not too jaring.

 

Cleveland, Thats an interesting thought about the entrance.   

I'm pretty sure that one of the main goals of adding a second entry was to allow the Convention Center to host two unrelated events simultaneously, so they didn't want the Mall B entry to be near the Med Mart (which also serves as a primary entrance point).  Putting the entry on Lakeside probably offers the most flexible division of the whole center between events (e.g., allowing one event to only use the ball room).

 

I agree, though, for urban design reasons, it could have been really cool to have that second entry on the south side of Mall B.  The grassy slope would have offered killer views north of the rest of the mall and the lake.  Should still be pretty cool as is though.  Even if the interruption of the old Mall vistas  takes some serious getting used to.

Noticed something yesterday.  I hadn't realized (or, more likely, had forgot) there would be an elevation at the south end of Mall B.  Seems like the structural steel for the roof of the CC starts at street level and then quickly rises up to about 10 or maybe more feet above street level as it progresses north.  I'm sure this was done to create higher ceilings in the exhibit hall.  The engineering on this project is a sight to see. 

 

It was done to create a street level entrance (so will serve as an observation platform on top).  Im still curious to see how raised the whole ceiling will end up, since it is supposed to be higher than the old surface.  Hopefully its not too jaring.

 

 

I understand why the elevation is on the north side for the entrance.  I am talking about the south side of the mall.  The beams are slightly elevating from street level going north for just a bit and then flattening out for the majority of Mall B until they reach the point of the more drastic elevation on the north end.

^Interesting.  Even in the old convention center, the surface of Mall B was several feet above street level, but ramped down at either end to meet the sidewalk.  Does it not look like it's going to ramp down to the sidewalk at St Clair?  I think the new roof is a couple feet higher than the old one but I would have thought it would work more or less the same as before (on the southern end, anyway).

No.  That's what it is doing (ramping down to meet the sidewalk).  I never took notice of that with former Mall B.

 

I guess it is similar.... maybe just a bit more dramatic and definitely sticks out when you see it with just the beams.

Is there anything other than just grass planned for the malls?

That part, I believe, depends solely on money.  They issued some really interesting concepts, but I haven't seen anything recently.

Yeah, it's been a while since we've heard anything from the new Group Plan Commission.  Hopefully they surface soon with some excellent plans and, more importantly, a nice big pot of money.

Thanks. I hope so as well. The MM & CC look top-notch; it sticks out like a sore thumb.

What's along the side of Public Auditorium in that video?  It may just be something that they added to make the video look better, but there are sort of objects over what I think now is the entrance to a parking garage or entrance to the parking in front of city hall.  They look to be silver columns.

What's along the side of Public Auditorium in that video?  It may just be something that they added to make the video look better, but there are sort of objects over what I think now is the entrance to a parking garage or entrance to the parking in front of city hall.  They look to be silver columns.

 

That is a public art component that was shown in one of the presentations.  It is on here probably 100 so pages back.  Just a concept, but not likely what is happening. 

Talked with Tony Coyne the other day, he said they're still trying to get money for the mall (and public square).  Said if you know rich people who would like to do naming rights to call him  :-)

Hopefully with the connectivity they want, we will get more fountains. There's one at that small park down at the river (at the waterfront line stop by the Det/Sup bridge), we could have one at FEB, then get the one at Public Square going again, the one already existing by Key Tower, another over the new Convention Center and then another around Perk Park.  People love fountains....it would get them moving around from place to place.  Also, we have a ton of public art in the city and much more planned.  Why do we not bank on that?  Philly is always talking about their public art and make it a tourist attraction.  Well, not only do we have awesome public art all over the city, but we also have beautiful buildings as public art.  Throw a tour together with some historical markers all over.  Tourists like to take pictures and we have so many things to take pictures of.  I know this is only partially about the CC/MM, but the connectivity issue stemmed from it (so to me it's all kind of related.)

Hopefully with the connectivity they want, we will get more fountains. There's one at that small park down at the river (at the waterfront line stop by the Det/Sup bridge), we could have one at FEB, then get the one at Public Square going again, the one already existing by Key Tower, another over the new Convention Center and then another around Perk Park.  People love fountains....it would get them moving around from place to place.  Also, we have a ton of public art in the city and much more planned.  Why do we not bank on that?  Philly is always talking about their public art and make it a tourist attraction.  Well, not only do we have awesome public art all over the city, but we also have beautiful buildings as public art.  Throw a tour together with some historical markers all over.  Tourists like to take pictures and we have so many things to take pictures of.  I know this is only partially about the CC/MM, but the connectivity issue stemmed from it (so to me it's all kind of related.)

 

Fountains on top of a support roof?  I dont know if thats feasible.  I'm old enough to have experienced the hanna fountains and they proved to be an issue to the convention center below.  Id rather see year round decorative installations that invite people into the space.

Just ideas...I'm no engineer haha. 

Just ideas...I'm no engineer haha. 

 

^^^The model he seemed to talk about was still that original plan set forth by GGN with the "activity rooms" (albeit scaled back), and has a "water feature" on mall c.  I think thats because MTS is right and it's the only place it will actually be structurally sound.

Just ideas...I'm no engineer haha. 

 

 

Be nice.

Just ideas...I'm no engineer haha. 

 

 

Be nice.

 

It was.  Don't you see the smiley face?!  I honestly don't think jjames0408, took that offensively.  He's doesn't appear to be as "sensitive" as some of our newer members.  I miss the days when snark, sarcasm and catty banter were a BIG part of every thread.  Sigh......moving on!

Haha I'm not sensitive at all.  I'm very chill:)

I don't post much, but I enjoy your sarcasm.... and the medical mart... to stay on topic.

I don't post much, but I enjoy your sarcasm.... and the medical mart... to stay on topic.

 

Haha I'm not sensitive at all.  I'm very chill:)

If you haven't checked out the webcam lately, you can now see the panels being installed on the west facade, mostly along the 2nd floor on the left side of the picture.

 

http://www.clevelandmedicalmart.com/about/live-web-cam/

Was downtown last week and got a good look at part of the MM facade going up.  To my eye the "wavy" aspect of the design comes across better at a distance than when you're standing close to the building, at least so far.  Anyone else get this feeling?

Here's a few pics of the MM from this past weekend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know people have said otherwise on this forum, but I've held it down long enough and I have to say... I can't stand this design.  Not trying to drop a cleveland.bomb, but this is a marquis project going on in Cleveland right now and THAT is what we decided on? It looks like a wavy, uninviting, concrete box.

 

Am I the only one? If so, so be it.  Too late to do anything about it now.

I know people have said otherwise on this forum, but I've held it down long enough and I have to say... I can't stand this design.  Not trying to drop a cleveland.bomb, but this is a marquis project going on in Cleveland right now and THAT is what we decided on? It looks like a wavy, uninviting, concrete box.

 

Am I the only one? If so, so be it.  Too late to do anything about it now.

 

How can one's opinion of a design, of art, be wrong? Thank you for sharing your opinion.

 

Your use of "marquis" however is another matter!

I think the hidden design is very clever and relevant.

I'm sure it'll look different / better when the glass is installed.  Not sure how accurate these renderings are, but I could see that blue glass making a nice difference in the look.

 

 

 

http://www.nicholsonconstruction.com/news/articles/clevelandMedicalMart.aspx

I know people have said otherwise on this forum, but I've held it down long enough and I have to say... I can't stand this design.  Not trying to drop a cleveland.bomb, but this is a marquis project going on in Cleveland right now and THAT is what we decided on? It looks like a wavy, uninviting, concrete box.

 

Am I the only one? If so, so be it.  Too late to do anything about it now.

 

I actually thought the renderings looked hideous. Im thinking it looks better than I had expected so I hope it turns out good once done.

^ yep same for me. it was going to have to be a box there is really no way around it. well, i guess it could have been a tower like that defunkt ny scheme, but that would be awkward for its purpose and too expensive. i have a strong feeling it'll be clean, plain and inoffensive, which is fine. we'll soon see.

I know people have said otherwise on this forum, but I've held it down long enough and I have to say... I can't stand this design.  Not trying to drop a cleveland.bomb, but this is a marquis project going on in Cleveland right now and THAT is what we decided on? It looks like a wavy, uninviting, concrete box.

 

Am I the only one? If so, so be it.  Too late to do anything about it now.

 

I actually thought the renderings looked hideous. Im thinking it looks better than I had expected so I hope it turns out good once done.

 

I agree, the renderings do not make the panels look attractive at all, in my opinion of course.  They look plain in the rendering, which would then make the building a boring box with funky windows.

 

So if the wave pattern represents the structure of DNA, do the windows have a hidden pattern or meaning?  Maybe that was covered?

I know people have said otherwise on this forum, but I've held it down long enough and I have to say... I can't stand this design.  Not trying to drop a cleveland.bomb, but this is a marquis project going on in Cleveland right now and THAT is what we decided on? It looks like a wavy, uninviting, concrete box.

 

Am I the only one? If so, so be it.  Too late to do anything about it now.

 

As most designers say, wait until the project is complete and honestly a merchandise mart is nothing more than a big box!

I think it needs to be viewed in context of the group plan.  The original buildings are there, in a classical style of architecture (W.28th help me here) Then you had forgettable buildings like the county annex building.  Later the Society/Key complex had echos of the plan, but kind of blew it out of the water.

In the 90s, the Stokes wing of the library did a neat little trick by having the corners of the building fit into the group plan "box" but had the smoked glass oval heart of the building soar above the corners.

So now, this generation gives the group plan the Medical Mart.  I personally like it, and I like the contrasting styles, with a neighborly reverence for Daniel Burnham's original vision for the mall

Yikes.  Marquis vs Marquee.  At least your smart enough to know what I meant.  :wink:

Fountains on top of a support roof?  I dont know if thats feasible.  I'm old enough to have experienced the hanna fountains and they proved to be an issue to the convention center below.  Id rather see year round decorative installations that invite people into the space.

IDK I’m no engineer but they can build swimming pools a thousand feet in the air. I’m sure a lot has changed since the Hanna Fountains were built.

 

I’m with you on the year round part though. The Hanna Fountains looked terrible during the winter months. I remember one year they did a Christmas display but that wasn’t the norm.

 

 

I agree, the renderings do not make the panels look attractive at all, in my opinion of course.  They look plain in the rendering, which would then make the building a boring box with funky windows.

 

So if the wave pattern represents the structure of DNA, do the windows have a hidden pattern or meaning?  Maybe that was covered?

 

Well, the wavy things are only vaguely evocative of DNA, imo.  But if that's what they were going for, the windows kind of remind me of gels:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gel_electrophoresis

Yikes.  Marquis vs Marquee.  At least your you're smart enough to know what I meant.  :wink:

:wink:

IDK I’m no engineer but they can build swimming pools a thousand feet in the air. I’m sure a lot has changed since the Hanna Fountains were built.

 

 

There is an indoor swimming pool on the roof my building which completely drained into the condo next to mine at 5 a.m. It leaked another time but nothing as horrific as the pool draining.

 

And that's for a pool and its basin that's not exposed to the freeze/thaw cycle.

IDK I’m no engineer but they can build swimming pools a thousand feet in the air. I’m sure a lot has changed since the Hanna Fountains were built.

 

 

There is an indoor swimming pool on the roof my building which completely drained into the condo next to mine at 5 a.m. It leaked another time but nothing as horrific as the pool draining.

 

And that's for a pool and its basin that's not exposed to the freeze/thaw cycle.

But how old is your building?

 

It could be done, but if it's done right so that it doesn't leak, it won't be cheap.

There is an impressive water feature most cities would kill for just north of the mall.

 

;)

 

I think at this point it is a scramble to get the biggest bang for the buck

But how old is your building?

 

 

My building was built the same year I was.

 

"Choose your next witticism carefully Mr. Bond. It may be your last." -- Goldfinger

If you haven't been lately, check out the MedMart website. There are new renderings that give you a better sense of the interior. I'm very impressed.

http://www.clevelandmedicalmart.com/about/architecture/

I love the atrium(?) the views from there are going to be fantastic.

I took a spin around town yesterday to get a quick and up close look at the ongoing projects. Stopped by the Mart for a bit.

 

Right now it looks like the east facing, main entryway is going to be stunning; by far the most interesting and engaging part of the building imho.

 

One of my pet peeves in CLE are north/lake facing buildings which do not capitalize on the views. Medical Mart will be in this category, the window to wall ratio is pretty low. However, I think it's fairly likely that the planners envisioned a new, larger building would be built just north, blocking the lake views anyhow.

 

 

 

That actually doesn't look as bad in the new renderings.  I think the windows will help a lot.