So if you look at some of my pictures, and even more so today, it appears that in between every panel there will be a dark strip of border.  I never noticed this before and just wonder how this will change the look of the building.  You can see it in the fourth picture and today they were putting these strips up on the front.  I will post pics later

Here you can see what I was referring to before.

 

 

Each Panel seems to have a vertical faded-out x in each square. What is this intended to be and Why?

DNA

Interesting.  IMO the subtle double helix effect those vertical "x's" make when put together is stronger without those horizontal panels they are installing now.  Maybe the idea is to break up the DNA strand...idk...but the difference really shows in that last picture mrclifton posted.

I thought it looked somewhat plain before. I think the new stripes sort of complete the design. But I'll withhold judgment until more of it is covered.

 

Starting the grass on mall B

I was not really "getting" the border strips between the panels but with these two pictures from a distance I can understand the concept better.

Maybe a silly question....but here goes anyway.  Will the concrete panels weather and change color over time to be similar to the surrounding buildings...or will they remain bright ?  Just curious.

^I have to admit the first thing I thought of when I saw that the panels had notches was how quickly they would blacken with soot...but maybe air quality and building materials have advanced far enough that this won't be an issue.  We shall see.

 

^^Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the black strips.  Really helps enliven the facade from a distance. I still don't love it, but I'm appreciating the med mart more and more as it nears completion.  The contrast between the glass enclosed ground floor and the big blocky mass above should look pretty cool at night.

that view is beige on beige on beige...  this town needs some color.

Nicest buildings in it are the old warehouses.

I wonder why the small banding strips were changed to black. In all the other renderings and notes (see group plan commission renderings on cleveland city planning website) they were metallic silver.  It would have been a better choice as this also would have reflected the every changing sky.

 

the black strips help i feel help balance the windows and the give the building more depth and dimention....i agree with an earlier poster...there ARE too many beige buildings in Cleveland...

Cleveland Medical Mart & Convention Center releases promotional video with extensive virtual tour

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/cleveland-medical-mart-and-convention-center-releases-promotional-video-with-extensive-virtual-tour

Lots going on in the past couple days at the MM/CC!  Most exciting, all the barriers are gone on lakeside and you can SEE the new mall C.  The Lakeside entrance is being further completed as well.  Here are some pictures.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wish UO had a like button!

I am looking at the picture of those bleachers on Mall A.  Does anyone have a picture of how the final product will look. I am talking about the Mall A Bleachers. What is the purpose of them?

^Mall A is where the Fountain of Eternal Life is located.

Which mall overlooks the lakefront. Is that Mall C?    So I am talking about the bleachers on Mall C.

The "bleachers" are purely a decorative/functional solution to the egress stairwells from the convention floors.  The idea is for people to use them as they wish for people watching..lunching..conversing.  I look forward to the trees being planted.  The only disappointments for me are the placement of the mechanical/electrical boxes and the lampposts along the promenades. This should have been thought out for a less intrusive location.  That ugly grey box will always be an ugly grey box.    The photos by MRCLIFTON shows this.  The lampposts chosen seem out of scale with the historic buildings of The Group Plan.  I wish they would have kept the historically named Euclid Ave. Lamppost. These are still near City Hall and The Courthouse.

Nashville Medical Mart News. They are getting closer to have financing wrapped up. http://nashvillepost.com/taxonomy/term/12928

Nashville Medical Mart News. They are getting closer to have financing wrapped up. http://nashvillepost.com/taxonomy/term/12928

 

and ours is getting closer to opening :clap:

Nashville Medical Mart News. They are getting closer to have financing wrapped up. http://nashvillepost.com/taxonomy/term/12928

 

Is there any new info here?

It looks like a lot of this is from May of 2012 or earlier.

I did some searching on the Internet and didn't see any new news from the usual media outlets that have been covering this.

Nashville Medical Mart News. They are getting closer to have financing wrapped up. http://nashvillepost.com/taxonomy/term/12928

 

Is there any new info here?

It looks like a lot of this is from May of 2012 or earlier.

I did some searching on the Internet and didn't see any new news from the usual media outlets that have been covering this.

 

The latest information on NashVegas' med mart, is from September, but I'm not posting since this thread is about the CLEVELAND medical mart.

Nashville Medical Mart News. They are getting closer to have financing wrapped up. http://nashvillepost.com/taxonomy/term/12928

 

Is there any new info here?

It looks like a lot of this is from May of 2012 or earlier.

I did some searching on the Internet and didn't see any new news from the usual media outlets that have been covering this.

 

You're right.  The posters seems to imply this is new news but it seems to be more than 4 months old.

Nashville Medical Mart News. They are getting closer to have financing wrapped up. http://nashvillepost.com/taxonomy/term/12928

 

 

 

Is there any new info here?

It looks like a lot of this is from May of 2012 or earlier.

I did some searching on the Internet and didn't see any new news from the usual media outlets that have been covering this.

 

The latest information on NashVegas' med mart, is from September, but I'm not posting since this thread is about the CLEVELAND medical mart.

 

True but I've posted updates regarding the Nashville MM on this thread before.

I think it's important to keep an eye on it as it would - or it will - compete with Cleveland's.

Here's an article on the Nashville Center from October

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/print-edition/2011/10/21/nashville-med-mart-inches-forward.html?page=all

 

Still plodding along. And, according to the article, we're 'exploring changes to [our] model that could take [us] out of contention'

 

Ok, forget this. I'm an idiot.

Here's an article on the Nashville Center from October

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/print-edition/2011/10/21/nashville-med-mart-inches-forward.html?page=all

 

Still plodding along. And, according to the article, we're 'exploring changes to [our] model that could take [us] out of contention'

 

October 2011. I believe much has changed since this article was written.

^ D'OH!!

The Nashville project is dead.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2012/10/nashville_medical_mart_project_dies_before_arrival.html

Time to start poaching...

Terrific news.

The Nashville project is dead.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2012/10/nashville_medical_mart_project_dies_before_arrival.html

 

 

Yep, definitely good news for C-Town!!!  :clap: :clap:

Nashville Medical Mart News. They are getting closer to have financing wrapped up. http://nashvillepost.com/taxonomy/term/12928

 

:-D

As per usual, the comments on cleveland.com are hilarious. some (most) people have no clue  :drunk:

I dare anyone to break out a bottle of liquor and take a shot every time they see the word "boondoggle" in the comment section for the PD article.

I dare anyone to break out a bottle of liquor and take a shot every time they see the word "boondoggle" in the comment section for the PD article.

 

I figured the comments would be bad.  I started reading, and within 10 seconds saw that word and just closed the article...

Today for the first time I noticed workers installing four pretty tall structures on all four corners of mall C. I think you can see in the pic. I guess they're lights? Don't see that in any rendering. Was trying to figure out the purpose, since there are already smaller lights lining the area

Nashville IS building a world-class convention center.  So we will still be competing with them for that business.

EDIT: I see what you're saying. No medical mart in Nashville, just general convention business. More.....

 

Nashville Medical Trade Center canceled by developers

Nashville Business Journal

Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 11:20am CDT - Last Modified: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 2:26pm CDT

 

Developers have officially pulled the plug on the Nashville Medical Trade Center.

 

Dallas-based Market Center Management Co. had planned to build a massive center on top of the existing Nashville Convention Center. The $250 million project, first announced in late 2009, was expected to attract 150,000 visitors and create 2,700 jobs.

 

In a statement, Market Center Management Co. CEO Bill Winsor said they were unable to meet their leasing targets.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2012/10/11/nashville-medical-trade-center.html

More.....

 

Nashville Medical Trade Center canceled by developers

Nashville Business Journal

Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 11:20am CDT - Last Modified: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 2:26pm CDT

 

Developers have officially pulled the plug on the Nashville Medical Trade Center.

 

Dallas-based Market Center Management Co. had planned to build a massive center on top of the existing Nashville Convention Center. The $250 million project, first announced in late 2009, was expected to attract 150,000 visitors and create 2,700 jobs.

 

In a statement, Market Center Management Co. CEO Bill Winsor said they were unable to meet their leasing targets.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2012/10/11/nashville-medical-trade-center.html

 

Uhhh...I've been there twice in the past 30 days and walked around the monstrous construction site.  Right next to Bridgestone Arena.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_City_Center

I dare anyone to break out a bottle of liquor and take a shot every time they see the word "boondoggle" in the comment section for the PD article.

 

I figured the comments would be bad.  I started reading, and within 10 seconds saw that word and just closed the article...

 

While the comments are less than artful and the rhetoric over-the-top, the underlying skepticism expressed is not wholly unwarranted.  While I'm certainly glad our med mart's main competitor has bowed out, the Nashville mart's failure does suggest the med mart concept continues to be a very tough sell.  That fact would seem to be further bolstered by our own mart's ongoing struggles in attracting paying tenants, let alone wish-list anchor tenants.  Let's not forget that we have $500 million in taxpayer money at stake here.

^As I expressed a number of times on this board....I could care less if the MM fails (of course I hope it succeeds).  We got a new desperately needed convention center which the powers to be could not find a way to fund for more than 20 years.  The med mart was cover for the tax and now we have a new convention center for CLEVELANDERS.

^ +1

Today for the first time I noticed workers installing four pretty tall structures on all four corners of mall C. I think you can see in the pic. I guess they're lights? Don't see that in any rendering. Was trying to figure out the purpose, since there are already smaller lights lining the area

 

I imagine the purpose is to have permanent event lighting.

While the comments are less than artful and the rhetoric over-the-top, the underlying skepticism expressed is not wholly unwarranted.  While I'm certainly glad our med mart's main competitor has bowed out, the Nashville mart's failure does suggest the med mart concept continues to be a very tough sell.  That fact would seem to be further bolstered by our own mart's ongoing struggles in attracting paying tenants, let alone wish-list anchor tenants.  Let's not forget that we have $500 million in taxpayer money at stake here.

 

That's where I'm at.  We still don't know if this was a good idea, and the opportunity cost is staggering.  Remember that in all other regards we can't afford a darned thing.  Go ahead, make your wish list.  Can't afford it.  None of it.  They didn't need a cover for the tax... they just imposed the tax and that was it.  Think of all the other things they could have done that for instead.

The news lights AND glass going in on the lakeside entrance

While the comments are less than artful and the rhetoric over-the-top, the underlying skepticism expressed is not wholly unwarranted.  While I'm certainly glad our med mart's main competitor has bowed out, the Nashville mart's failure does suggest the med mart concept continues to be a very tough sell.  That fact would seem to be further bolstered by our own mart's ongoing struggles in attracting paying tenants, let alone wish-list anchor tenants.  Let's not forget that we have $500 million in taxpayer money at stake here.

 

That's where I'm at.  We still don't know if this was a good idea, and the opportunity cost is staggering.  Remember that in all other regards we can't afford a darned thing.  Go ahead, make your wish list.  Can't afford it.  None of it.  They didn't need a cover for the tax... they just imposed the tax and that was it.  Think of all the other things they could have done that for instead.

 

I do think that's a pretty interesting question. Especially now with the hindsight that the commissioners political careers were going to end anyhow. I don't doubt that a convention center will be a nice asset but I'm not sure one way or the other that it's how I would have spent $400 million plus of freely allocable tax dollars.  Or if it is, not sure I wouldn't have spent the Med Mart portion on public square/Mall/lakefront connections instead. Not the discussion for this thread though.

That's where I'm at.  We still don't know if this was a good idea, and the opportunity cost is staggering.  Remember that in all other regards we can't afford a darned thing.  Go ahead, make your wish list.  Can't afford it.  None of it.  They didn't need a cover for the tax... they just imposed the tax and that was it.  Think of all the other things they could have done that for instead.

 

The political constituency for "all the other things" wasn't as strong as for the MM/CC. And we never "know" how things will turn out until after we build them, no matter how high-priced the crystal-ball consultants are. That's why it bothers me when someone restricts their support of something depending on the answer to the casual question "what are the chances of success?" Either you believe in something or you don't. If you have to be lied to by someone who says "Yes, I know it will succeed" before putting money into it, then you deserve what you get. I put my efforts into projects because they reflect my personal values and because I believe they will succeed. I do not know for certain if they will or not. And the reason I do not know is because I don't own a DeLorean specially equipped with a Flux Capacitor.