THe medical field is at its peek.We have to figure the energy crisis that is right now in the for front of everything. There should be a building selling new energy devices not medical devices

 

when an industry is a) recession proof and b) currently 16% of the GDP and growing you don't ignore it.

 

 

but the convention business is not recession proof..is IT?

THe medical field is at its peek.We have to figure the energy crisis that is right now in the for front of everything. There should be a building selling new energy devices not medical devices

 
Come on...let's stop with the anecdotal comments and let's start with reality. Is the market for energy production a booming field? Yes....but to say that the medical field has peaked....that is ridiculous. Look at the market, look at the trends in demographic shifts, look at the percentage of our local economy that the Medical industry makes up and the surge in which that percentage has grown (in the past 4 years alone it has grown 25%!).
 
Medicine and Medical Technology are not just the future, they are our present. Finally, instead of us continually looking to the day when we will have a strong industry again in Cleveland....we have one! And it isn't an industry that is doing well just in comparison to other cities of our size or of our region. Cleveland's Medical prowess competes on a global scale. This is an industry that TODAY, has put us on the world map! Royal families fly from around the globe to Cleveland for care. Doctors and industry professionals recognize Cleveland's a source of leading medical research. Companies recognize a fertile soil here in Cleveland to develop new medical technology and millions of dollars in investment is happening every year as a result.
 
There is a reason that Merchandise Properties has invested over $500,000 to research the possibility of a Medical Mart here. They see the potential and they know the market. This isn't a "good Samaritan" gesture to a struggling city; this is a business investment in a thriving Medical Capital of the world. Here are some reasons that this project is perfect for us:
 

• The Economist Intelligence Unit posted a report on the top cities in the world for Business travel (http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/BUSINESS_TRIP_INDEX.pdf). They ranked 127 cities, worldwide. Cleveland was ranked 6....in the world. Why is this so import? People who attend medical conventions, unless you are a higher up doctor/surgeon, pay their own way to attend the convention. They need to for their constant training needs. Because of this, conventions try to locate places that have a lower cost for people to travel to. Considering Cleveland's affordability, its high ranking on the business travelers index, a medical mart that showcases that latest in medical technology and its reputation as a leader in Health Care.....what convention wouldn't want to locate here?
  
• This project is so much more about attracting a medical mart than it is about building a convention center. Medical Mart needs to have a convention facility because of the convention traffic they create. So really, what we are talking about is how badly to we want a major 100 million dollar company to move to Cleveland? A company that by itself will fill 800,000 sq ft. of one our city's signature buildings. A company that will draw tens of thousands of people down the newly created Euclid Corridor (driving economic investment along the corridor and renewing the energy of Cleveland's most cherished avenue). A company that is looking to create a medical mart that would create one of the only places in the WORLD where an individual can go see all the latest in medical technology, watch those devices be used in the top hospitals in the world, and purchase those devices to take back with them.
  
• Aside from the medical mart, the construction of a new convention center will allow us to draw in other conventions that typically locate out in the burbs...thus increasing the development and economic impact to Downtown. We would have a world class facility to attract events like the RNC and other major boosts to this city.

 

 

Do i really need to go on? For a mere quarter of a percent raise in the sales tax...we are reaping so much more. As to where the convention center should be placed...it should be connected to Tower City and finally allow for the development along the Cuyahoga. In addition to the development this would bring to the Tower City side of the river....hopefully this would finally jump start the Ratners into developing Scranton Peninsula. It has sat vacant for far too long and it is time to move forward.

 

You got to be friends with the Ratner's

^No it isn't.  But I beieve the poster is quoted as saying the medical industry is recession proof.

I didn't know you could indent and use bullets on this message board.

^No it isn't.  But I beieve the poster is quoted as saying the medical industry is recession proof.

 

this all about building a convention center,is it???

To me, it seems like that these groups who oppose progressive measures for the county such as this have a way of lying, cheating, or stealing their way into a ballot..  they have a way of spinning everything.. look at how they spun the casino/slot machines as this great evil.

 

If this increased sales tax doesn't go forward I'll be greatly disappointed.

^There are too many supporters to lie, steal or cheat into this ballot.  Way too many eyes are going to be on the action to attain signatures.  In fact, if they do get enough, I wouldn't be surprised if something came out that they are null and void based on thier way of attaining them.  Casino's didn't have enough support to ever pass in the last run at it. 

^ I would also imagine it will be harder to "cheat" signatures in the typical signature-collecting mecca that is Public Square, what with the area being in the shadow of Forest City, GCP, COSE, the CVB ... remember, God is watching  :wink:

^Exactly, if you want signatures, don't go downtown for them. 

I received this by e-mail today from Norm Roulet of RealNEO:

 

It is official - "Cuyahoga County commissioners voted 2-1 today to

raise the sales tax a quarter of a penny to help bring a Medical Mart

to Cleveland."  Perhaps you'd like time to think about this more, and

the opportunity to vote with other citizens on how you are taxed.

Other citizens feel the same and have formed a committee to "Put It On

The Ballot"- a grass-roots campaign to collect enough signatures to

force the 1/4% sales tax increase to be placed on a ballot. This

Friday, July 27, there will be an Excellence Roundtable at The Inner

Circle where some of the people involved with this campaign will join

a discussion on this issue, from all directions.

 

To learn more about the campaign, visit http://putitontheballot.com -

you'll certainly read more about this initiative on this site and on

REALNEO throughout the coming months. 7GEN (developer of REALNEO) is

providing this Drupal site for this initiative, and I look forward to

learning more about the campaign and all related issues.

 

The Inner Circle will open at 12:00 PM and a buffet Hot Sauce Williams

BBQ lunch will be offered at 1:00 PM - a $5 donation toward food will

be appreciated but is not required. There is a cash bar, which will be

open all afternoon - people are welcome to drop in at any time from

noon - 6 PM... there will always be interesting discussions to join.

 

While we are convening at The Inner Circle, I'll share news on

developments in East Cleveland and with the East Cleveland Observer,

and I'm asking anyone who wants to help with the East Cleveland

Observer to come by The Inner Circle for some informal planning and

discussions... all are welcome. Also, you will be welcome to tour the

old Hough Bakeries complex, and to swing by the historic house we are

renovating in East Cleveland, at 1894 Roxbury.

 

I hope to see you at The Inner Circle soon.

Location

 

  The Inner Circle Restaurant, at Hough Bakeries

  1519 Lakeview Road

  East Cleveland, OH

 

MORE ON REALNEO AT: http://realneo.org/Inner-Circle-to-Put-It-On-The-Ballot

If this group collects enough signatures, my fear is that people will vote against this in retaliation and will not see the bigger picture. Based on the CC's track record, it is certainly a possibility.

Based on the CC's track record, it is certainly a possibility.

 

I'm not sue what you mean by that.

From what I can tell, when certain people, companies or groups do anything, certain people (or every person!) in the area will be suspicious of being duped. To me, that's the biggest problem with Northeast Ohio. People elect officials to do certain jobs, but when it comes down to it, they don't really trust them to make the decisions they're supposed to make! That's everybody's fault because we're not demanding the kind of public officials and communities we want.

 

This idea, it seems to me, is a bit of a no brainer because the whole concept is not just creating a place for conferences (which alone I would think was dumb) but actually branding Cleveland as one of THE medical hubs. I'm no economic expert, but if we can get a new industry REALLY bumping around here, that helps ALL the businesses! And I figure I'm getting taxed so bad as it is, what's another buck every $25 or whatever it is.

This idea, it seems to me, is a bit of a no brainer because the whole concept is not just creating a place for conferences (which alone I would think was dumb) but actually branding Cleveland as one of THE medical hubs. I'm no economic expert, but if we can get a new industry REALLY bumping around here, that helps ALL the businesses! And I figure I'm getting taxed so bad as it is, what's another buck every $25 or whatever it is.

 

Jamiec's comments are what I referenced about people not really understand what the MM's purpose/function is and what the separate CC's purpose is.

 

The MM is not a place for conferences.

 

In the most simple terms, it's a showroom.  Look at it like this.  When you go to a department store, there are several products by brand on each floor.  Each product line has its own section or each brand has space showcasing its various brands.

 

The medical mart will increase the medical related conferences to be held in the newly built convention center by 50 (I think) events per year.  This is on top of the events already booked into the current cc or IX center.

 

Can we just plaster this around the city?

Based on the CC's track record, it is certainly a possibility.

 

I'm not sue what you mean by that.

The "county commissioners" voting record.

I've been following the developments in Cleveland for some time now, like most of you. I can say that this Medical Mart concept is the single-most exciting idea I've seen for our city. It has the most potential.

 

To think that a collection of chumps who lack vision could actually have a chance at thwarting this makes me just the least bit upset. People's livelihood's are on the line when we talk about economic development in Cleveland, and stopping something of this magnitude for the sake of saving a quarter of a percent is asinine. To quote transformers, No sacrifice, No victory.

 

 

THe medical field is at its peek.We have to figure the energy crisis that is right now in the for front of everything. There should be a building selling new energy devices not medical devices

 

when an industry is a) recession proof and b) currently 16% of the GDP and growing you don't ignore it.

 

 

but the convention business is not recession proof..is IT?

 

again, its 16% fucking percent of the GDP and predicted to be over 20% by the mid 2010s. We can't afford to sit idly by while you confuse the convention business with a medical mart.

what's another buck every $25 or whatever it is.

 

No, no, no.  A quarter of a percent increase would mean $1 extra for every $400 spent.  Well worth it in my opinion to have a medical mart (and oh, yeah, a convention center, too).

 

 

THe medical field is at its peek.We have to figure the energy crisis that is right now in the for front of everything. There should be a building selling new energy devices not medical devices

 

when an industry is a) recession proof and b) currently 16% of the GDP and growing you don't ignore it.

 

 

but the convention business is not recession proof..is IT?

 

again, its 16% fucking percent of the GDP and predicted to be over 20% by the mid 2010s. We can't afford to sit idly by while you confuse the convention business with a medical mart.

 

 

  1.4 billion dollars county budget and they cant budget 50 million for 10 years towards a convention center.

 

  Also I am not confusing it,you are. This is a total gimmick towards building a silly convention center.Ratner wants one so he can dump tower city.,and dimora wants one so he can name it after him.

 

I could find 20 small international convention business who could do the same  thing,that these medical mart people are doing.

 

one more thing,out of 16% of GDP. how much is toward conventions,what 00001%?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From what I can tell, when certain people, companies or groups do anything, certain people (or every person!) in the area will be suspicious of being duped. To me, that's the biggest problem with Northeast Ohio. People elect officials to do certain jobs, but when it comes down to it, they don't really trust them to make the decisions they're supposed to make! That's everybody's fault because we're not demanding the kind of public officials and communities we want.

 

This idea, it seems to me, is a bit of a no brainer because the whole concept is not just creating a place for conferences (which alone I would think was dumb) but actually branding Cleveland as one of THE medical hubs. I'm no economic expert, but if we can get a new industry REALLY bumping around here, that helps ALL the businesses! And I figure I'm getting taxed so bad as it is, what's another buck every $25 or whatever it is.

 

Well lets see Cleveland clinic top five hospital and rainbow top 3 in children hospital. Few nations begging cleveland clinic to run  hospitals in there countries.Medical hub we are.

 

Now Warsaw indiana is a mecca for enginered artifical joints. I dont see them buidling a showroom for artificial joints.

 

  I would like to see 30 one million grants given to graduates of Cleveland Institute of art industrial design to built companies in a industrial design zone on superior ave.

Now that would a economic boom.

 

 

 

 

Edisou, I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but what the hell do you be talking about? Also, I'd like to see sources from some of the things you mentioned in your most recent conversation with yourself, ie, list those 20 small international convention businesses.

Obviously we know this already, but here is todays story from the pd:

 

Tax hike approved for medical mart

Friday, July 27, 2007

Joan Mazzolini and Sarah Hollander

Plain Dealer Reporters

 

Starting in October, your trip to a Cuyahoga County shopping mall could help build a new convention center in Cleveland.

 

In a move to end decades of discussion and studies, Cuyahoga County commissioners voted 2 to 1 Thursday to raise the sales tax one-quarter of a cent for 20 years.

 

The city needs a new center to attract a Medical Mart, a collection of permanent showrooms for health-care products and technology. And a Medical Mart, supporters say, would help fill the center with related trade shows...

 

 

more at:  http://www.cleveland.com

This is getting "pounded" on the radio this morning.  Radio DJ's and callers all putting it down out of sheer ignorance.  Their comparison is the Browns stadium and Gateway and how they raised tax dollars for that and look at the state we're in today, not much better.  These people are idiots and are the sam people that are going to vote no.  As far as the signatures go, they're going to get them.  Polensek getting them in Collinwood, Reed in Kinsman/Woodland Hills/Mt Pleasant.  I couldn't believe to here in the press conference yesterday all the poloticians putting Dimora and Hagan down.  Who will feel like the jerks though when it does go to the ballot and gets turned down. 

I do not understand the way some people think.  I won't say they are ignorant, but their way of thinking makes no sense to me.  I have heard people on the radio today talking about how bad the Medical Mart idea is and they are using the Gateway Project and New Browns Stadium as the examples of failed promises.

 

Imagine if we had not built the new Browns Stadium, Jacobs Field, and The Q.  First, there would be no Cleveland Browns.  That was a stipulation for keeping the team.  The Indians (if they did not move to Charlotte or someplace else) would be playing in that old run down stadium from the 1930s.  The CAVS would be playing in Richfield, so the Indians would be the only game in town.

 

There would be no Jacobs Field (which is one of the most beautiful parks in the country) or Q and in their place would be an abandoned Central Market building, old abandoned office buildings, old abandoned tenement housing, and a completely derelict portion of downtown.  There would be no Winking Lizard, Flannerys, Paninis, East 4th, Radison Hotel, Marriott Residence Inn Hotel, new condos, etc.  How could this possibly have been a better future for Downtown Cleveland. 

 

We would watch Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Detroit, Milwaukee, Seattle, Denver, etc. build new ball parks, and we would be saying to each other, "Why can't Cleveland do something like that?  Why are we always the last to improve?"

 

Anyone who says Cleveland did no benefit from the Gateway Project and the New Browns Stadium is living in a strange world.  True we are not where we want to be, but we would be much more behind without these projects.

 

I guess people don't realize that sometimes you have to be daring, creative, and spend some money just to keep up with other cities, let alone surpass them.  People forget that other cities are continually improving too, and for us to catch up we need to build on or strengths.  The Medical Mart is certainly one of those projects.  It is daring, creative, and will cost us some money to build, but it will identify to the country, the prominent position Cleveland has in the health care industry.  An industry which is only going to grow in the future given the aging of the American population.

 

How can we get people to understand this?

 

OK folks....this is where urbanohio can serve the city.

 

We can write, call and email (which is best based on everyones time)

 

How would like to author a letter that each of us can "personalize" and flood the media with the positive aspects of the MM and CC?

 

 

Well said, TMH - but that's why the Commissioners and the CVB (and everyone else) have their work cut out for them. I'm being sincere when I say this - they need someone (like you) who can be articulate and passionate. Hagan and Dimora look and sound burned out whenever I've seen them discuss this project.

 

We live in a world where people don't take kindly to having taxes (no matter how petty) forced upon them. Now, if they were presented with renderings, and realistic goals/expectations of the Medical Mart (and how it could benefit them for relatively little personal risk), I think they'd easily be convinced. Instead, you have Hagan and Dimora who people are justifiably leery of and then you have Kennedy (and I thought MY voice was nasal) - all I've heard from them is "if we don't do this, someone else will". A valid argument, but the threat of this project going somewhere else shouldn't be their primary focus. They should be telling Cuyahoga County what the Medical Mart could do for them. ;-)

^Basically,  Reed and PLJ do not want the medical mart here.  They know that if they get the signatures, it goes on the march ballot, and the MM has already stated that they can not wait that long.  I can only pray that Dimora and Hagan have a trick up their sleve in-case they do get the signatures.  That could be the only thing I can think of with PLJ being against this issue.  He has to know something to the effect of an alternative that can come out the day after the signatures are tallyed up.  He knows that MM can't wait, and has to know that this is an instrumental key element to Clevelands future, so why else would he be against it.  How stupid would he feel if the signatures were received and the MM says, "see you later, were off to somewhere else."

Edisou, I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but what the hell do you be talking about? Also, I'd like to see sources from some of the things you mentioned in your most recent conversation with yourself, ie, list those 20 small international convention businesses.

 

Just last night I saw germans in for a convention in the university circle.If I rmember right  2 enginers and 3 MD's at the barking spider.Sixty percent of the time I am at the spider there are usually visiting foreigners there for conventions. :wink2:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edisou, I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but what the hell do you be talking about? Also, I'd like to see sources from some of the things you mentioned in your most recent conversation with yourself, ie, list those 20 small international convention businesses.

 

Just last night I saw german in for a convention in the university  at the barking spider.If I rmember right  2 enginers and 3 MD's at the barking spider.Sixty percent of the time I am at the spider there are usually visiting foreigners there for conventions.Plus search out the omni hotel schedule.

 

There is no Omni hotel in Cleveland - so searching for a schedule there would be impossible!!!  I thought you "got my hint" in a previous message in this thread.

 

What is your source of information??  Edsiou, I'm really trying to understand and respect your opinion, but what you write is so hard to decipher.  In addition, you constantly list inaccurate information.

 

Please read the post by TMH.

^Basically,  Reed and PLJ do not want the medical mart here.  They know that if they get the signatures, it goes on the march ballot, and the MM has already stated that they can not wait that long.  I can only pray that Dimora and Hagan have a trick up their sleve in-case they do get the signatures.  That could be the only thing I can think of with PLJ being against this issue.  He has to know something to the effect of an alternative that can come out the day after the signatures are tallyed up.  He knows that MM can't wait, and has to know that this is an instrumental key element to Clevelands future, so why else would he be against it.  How stupid would he feel if the signatures were received and the MM says, "see you later, were off to somewhere else."

 

The problem is...

Its an idea,how you produce an idea is a major key. Your a total sell-out to the ratner way of producing this idea,and I am not. SO while you follow ratner ideas,perhaps you shop at the dollar store at TC

 

I am searching European and asian trade group that do medical conventions.

Edisou, I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but what the hell do you be talking about? Also, I'd like to see sources from some of the things you mentioned in your most recent conversation with yourself, ie, list those 20 small international convention businesses.

 

Just last night I saw german in for a convention in the university  at the barking spider.If I rmember right  2 enginers and 3 MD's at the barking spider.Sixty percent of the time I am at the spider there are usually visiting foreigners there for conventions.Plus search out the omni hotel schedule.

 

There is no Omni hotel in Cleveland - so searching for a schedule there would be impossible!!!  I thought you "got my hint" in a previous message in this thread.

 

What is your source of information??  Edsiou, I'm really trying to understand and respect your opinion, but what you write is so hard to decipher.  In addition, you constantly list inaccurate information.

 

Please read the post by TMH.

 

Please forgive me the InterContinental hotel and convention center.Im Booking a trip and was actullay going to stay at the omni.

 

  TMH Post . Again you cant say that development could of happened with out these buildings. Indians could have moved,who cares  about 26 millionaires who dont live in the city. Browns we owned the rights to the name,so Nance sold the city short.THe Arena,there was already talk to build an arena in the city.So that was going to happen eithier way.

 

East 4th is a derevitive of the warehouse district.

Flannery's and winking lizard. Each are 10 million dollar enterprises.

I loved going to the Hay Market District,so I was disapponted about it

The fact that Polensek and Reed are leading this charge just shows empty this all is.

Those two will do anything for a vote. They are widely considered to be two of the most grandstanding politicians that we've got. I'm not saying that everything that they do is bad (because its not), but this smacks of opportunism.

^^First time I've ever agreed with edisou.  The fact that it's being held in East Cleveland isn't going to help legitimize this cause and get suburbanites involved.

Those two will do anything for a vote. They are widely considered to be two of the most grandstanding politicians that we've got. I'm not saying that everything that they do is bad (because its not), but this smacks of opportunism.

 

For Reed yes..he's a Mike White wannabee. Polensek just ask that they dont force the issue and let the people decide it.

 

 

^^First time I've ever agreed with edisou.  The fact that it's being held in East Cleveland isn't going to help legitimize this cause and get suburbanites involved.

 

Actually the website is located in solon,so it looks like all suburban

When I had the task of circulating petitions for a mayoral candidate, I was told to be careful that all the signatures were registered voters in the city of Cleveland because if just one name was not valid, then the whole sheet (25 signatures) would be void.  I'm not sure if that was true or not, but thats what I was told.

 

So if someone asks you to sign the petition, I say just sign it with a made up name.  Maybe we can band together and screw up their numbers. :evil: :laugh:

Okay folks... this thread's gonna be locked for a few minutes and when it comes back it'll be cleaned up. Sorry if one of your posts gets deleted but 'dems da breaks.

 

Now that it's back open, keep it on topic - and coherent.  :whip:

Something else to think about: the typical rule of thumb with gathering petition signatures is to collect at least double what you actually need. So what does everyone think are the odds of gathering 90,000 signatures in the next 30 days?

 

Personally, I don't see it happening.

90,000 represents 7% of the total population of cuyahoga county.  Of course all of the people in Cuyahoga County are not over the age of 18.

Something else to think about: the typical rule of thumb with gathering petition signatures is to collect at least double what you actually need. So what does everyone think are the odds of gathering 90,000 signatures in the next 30 days?

 

Personally, I don't see it happening.

 

I know about 200 to 300 people who will sign the petition

90,000 represents 7% of the total population of cuyahoga county.  Of course all of the people in Cuyahoga County are not over the age of 18.

 

Nor are they all registered voters.

^But why 90,000.  To compestate for all the illegitimate?

Moreso as a safeguard against blocks of signatures getting rules invalid. Sometimes petitioners don't understand all the rules and will do stupid things that get page after page ruled invalid. One of my favorite stories is how a petition collector X gives blank petition sheets to relatives for them to circulate around the neighborhood, and then petition collector X approves them with his signature as if he actually witnessed all the signings. Or a relative signs petition collector X's name to approve the sheet. Too many stupid people aren't aware that there's actually people smarter than them.

I know about 200 to 300 people who will sign the petition

 

The Cookie Monster doesn't count.

Honestly, I have a hard time believing they will get 45,000 valid signatures by August 24.  Here's to hoping that proves to be true.

OK folks....this is where urbanohio can serve the city.

 

We can write, call and email (which is best based on everyones time)

 

How would like to author a letter that each of us can "personalize" and flood the media with the positive aspects of the MM and CC?

 

 

 

 

I posted this earlier in the wrong thread - who knows what I was thinking about at the time.

Anyway, the website Put it on the Ballot has a link to send comments

http://putitontheballot.com/contact

 

I would add that to whomever else you send things.

Honestly, I have a hard time believing they will get 45,000 valid signatures by August 24.  Here's to hoping that's proves to be true.

 

I agree.  Getting signatures is a pain in the ass.  It takes a lot of time and a lot of organization.  Looking at their PutItOnTheBallot website, it doesn't seem like they have alot of the later.

 

One of the posts on the website is about alot of people wanting to print out petitions to circulate, which you can't do.  I'm guessing there are alot of people who want to help but have no idea how to petition.  Which means there will 1) be alot of people who quit when they realize they can't just print it out and have their friends sign it and 2) be alot of invalid petitions.

I know about 200 to 300 people who will sign the petition

 

The Cookie Monster doesn't count.

 

LMAO!!!

Something else to think about: the typical rule of thumb with gathering petition signatures is to collect at least double what you actually need. So what does everyone think are the odds of gathering 90,000 signatures in the next 30 days?

 

Personally, I don't see it happening.

 

I know about 200 to 300 people who will sign the petition

 

The Cuyahoga County Libertarian Party?