of course It won't look like that.  and in 40 years we'll hve a convention center that is out dated and cannot be expanded.

 

And not one residential componet attached to towercity!

 

I'm 1000% against building the CC at TowerCity!

 

To the extent you'd rather see this project fail than build on the Mall?

of course It won't look like that.  and in 40 years we'll hve a convention center that is out dated and cannot be expanded.

 

And not one residential componet attached to towercity!

 

I'm 1000% against building the CC at TowerCity!

 

To the extent you'd rather see this project fail than build on the Mall?

 

No, I'd rather have it built on the mall

^ i'd take a tc cc over nothing but...why?...there already is a cc...its on the mall...its partly underground...thats cool and interesting...unlike most cities, that keeps a big box out of downtown's way....a redo would also reach out to the waterfront....it would revive the mall....and improve transit...jane campbell & co already rec'd this approach why reinvent the wheel?...tc will revive on its own as pesht and east bank flats get built...throw fcr a bone w/ the mm in higbees for now...gee ya think fcr might want to help with the residential boom end in building up their scranton peninsula too?

Boy, Reed is a real knitwit.  If he's successful in sabotaging the MM project, I'll move to have a recall election to has his butt thrown out of office.

 

 

  How silly

 

 

Banner over Cleveland urges against sales-tax petition

 

Don't sign petition, banner says

Tuesday, August 14, 2007

Sarah Hollander

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

An advertising method typically used to hawk drink specials or pop the question has been called into duty for Cuyahoga County's sales tax debate.

 

Volunteers collecting signatures to force a public vote on an upcoming tax hike said they were surprised to look up and see a plane trailing a banner that read "Don't Sign the Petition. We Need the Med Mart."

 

The Greater Cleveland Partnership paid $2,000 for four hours of aerial advertising in downtown Cleveland to challenge the petition drive...

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/11870823578310.xml&coll=2

I don't think the CC in TC is all that ugly, in particular when you consider you will never really see the building as presented in the drawing...most of the time (all of the time?) you'll see it from the ground level or lower...

 

What I do think is idiotic is that the pols have such short-term memory that they won't hold FCE to their promise of building the residential component on Scranton...

 

I would sign the petition (not really, but in a hypothetical world) if only to force FCE to sweeten the deal by putting the residential component back into the mix.

 

As an asides, when was the last time the Cuyahoga was as blue as presented in this drawing?  If the CC on TC is going to make our river blue again, we'd be idiotic to pass that up.  :-D

Has Stephanie Tubbs-Jones offered anything to help this developement in her district?

Has Stephanie Tubbs-Jones done anything?

 

There, corrected your post.

Not to take this thread political, but where is Dennis Kucinich? He had a senate hearing or some such just months ago on cities and convention centers. Basically, it was positioned by him as a big money pit that steals money from the communities where they are built. So, here we are, his home base about to embark on a new convention center, and where the hell is he? Don't get me wrong, I don't want his big mouth to ruin this, but I'd be able to respect his lunacy a little if he actually stood for what he spouts out.

 

I guess he'll leave that to that chubby guy in sweatpants who asked me a few days ago to sign the anti-Med Mart petition.

 

What I do think is idiotic is that the pols have such short-term memory that they won't hold FCE to their promise of building the residential component on Scranton...

 

 

FC has all but said it will not fulfill that promise as proposed at that time.

Hell, they may have actually said it.

 

 

 

I guess he'll leave that to that chubby guy in sweatpants who asked me a few days ago to sign the anti-Med Mart petition.

 

And did you?

No I didn't! I really don't see the point of voting for this tax. I have more important things to worry about.

Has Stephanie Tubbs-Jones done anything?

 

There, corrected your post.

 

Ha ha! Thats for sure. What a waste of space she is.

Has Stephanie Tubbs-Jones done anything?

 

There, corrected your post.

 

Ha ha! Thats for sure. What a waste of space she is.

 

Have either of the two of you told her that?  Had a conversation with her?  Communicated in any way with her?

Has Stephanie Tubbs-Jones done anything?

 

There, corrected your post.

 

Ha ha! Thats for sure. What a waste of space she is.

 

Have either of the two of you told her that?  Had a conversation with her?  Communicated in any way with her?

 

I have written a few letters to her expressing as much.

Has Stephanie Tubbs-Jones done anything?

 

There, corrected your post.

 

Ha ha! Thats for sure. What a waste of space she is.

 

Have either of the two of you told her that?  Had a conversation with her?  Communicated in any way with her?

 

I have met her and her office numerous times, that is the basis for my hatred (and look at her absent voting record, she's routinely in the top 99% of not showing up for votes in congress)

other than voting, why do you "hate" her? 

based on interactions from her office over the last few years.

 

Back on Subject

yeah...ok

Officials looking at 13 possible Medical Mart sites in city

Officials plan to decide on one by year's end

Wednesday, August 15, 2007

Joan Mazzolini

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

Chicago - The people proposing to bring a Medical Mart to Cleveland are looking at 13 possible locations, including spots downtown, on the lakefront and at University Circle.

 

Mark Falanga, senior vice president of Merchandise Mart Properties Inc., declined to identify all of the sites Tuesday, as he led Cleveland business and political leaders on a tour of Chicago trade-show centers. But he said officials hope to settle on one by the end of the year...

 

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1187167854257600.xml&coll=2

I thought the Higbee space was a shoe-in.  It's got to be downtown, otherwise what the hell is the point of building a new convention center?

I think it's great that they're considering other locations. It doesn't mean they'll build outside of downtown, but I definitely think other locations should be considered, rather than just rashly deciding on Tower City or even the Lakefront.

^there is no way that they are considering other locations. Its all about the negotiations.

How do you mean? I'm just going by the PD article, I guess.

^^Good pt. -> The more "potential" locations, the more leverage.

^I really had a good chuckle when I read that there were possibly 13 locations (especially when they could not be divulged).  You are exactly right about leverage although I doubt Forest City execs are that gullible.  Very sophomoric article.

I bet you they will have a plan B, or a plan C if Forest City is not willing to budge.

 

Mayday, since you used to work at the Bond Court, any buildings over there that could be rehabbed to connect to the current center?

A lakefront site would be an awful waste.  Put it in the middle of the city in an existing large space and call it a day.  I wonder if they've considered turning the existing convention center into the MM and then building a new CC across the Mall and towards the railroad tracks.  Is that a ridiculous thought?

"Mayday, since you used to work at the Bond Court, any buildings over there that could be rehabbed to connect to the current center?"

 

Used to?!? I'm still here (the Penton Media bldg., fyi). The only buildings adjacent to the current center would be the county administration offices and 113 St. Clair which line the western edge of Mall B. 113 St. Clair is probably insufficient for the Med Mart needs; the county admin offices, who knows?

A lakefront site would be an awful waste.  Put it in the middle of the city in an existing large space and call it a day.  I wonder if they've considered turning the existing convention center into the MM and then building a new CC across the Mall and towards the railroad tracks.  Is that a ridiculous thought?

 

Agreed, a lakefront site would do about as much for downtown as the Browns Stadium and Rock Hall...pretty much nothing.

I can't think of anything that is large enough and vacant in UC. Anyone?

No...barring a new building or unless Case decided to abandon its West Campus plans or something.

Wellll, I believe Forest City is the developer for West Quad... hmm, you might be onto something there!

I would rather see the West Quad as it was originally intended/planned, thanks. :)

High-tech classrooms could attract medical conferences that don't have a trade-show component, he said, and would enable the convention center to piggyback on the 50 conferences that already come to the Cleveland Clinic.

 

 

Didnt I say that over 30 conferences come to cleveland clinic,now who is the fool

No...barring a new building or unless Case decided to abandon its West Campus plans or something.

 

I would rather see that develop after the design district takes off.

 

I see the merchandise mart going under if the design district takes off.

now who is the fool

Dear, you still hold that title!  And you have no challengers.

 

^there is no way that they are considering other locations. Its all about the negotiations.

Totally agree, its to give the allusion that FC is playing well in the sandbox and that they have looked at all available space - then give a reason why only tower city is suitable!

 

A lakefront site would be an awful waste.  Put it in the middle of the city in an existing large space and call it a day.  I wonder if they've considered turning the existing convention center into the MM and then building a new CC across the Mall and towards the railroad tracks.  Is that a ridiculous thought?

Dude, that's not a bad thought at all.  This way the CC is reused and the medical mart adds to the lakefront buildings.  However, unless there is residential and ancillary componets, restaurants, attractions and convention services easily accessible, then its a waste.

 

Wellll, I believe Forest City is the developer for West Quad... hmm, you might be onto something there!

humm...now I'm scratching my head.  If built in UC, there would need to build a convention sized hotel close by.  Along with the types of restaurants and other "expense report" staples you have easily available downtown.

 

I see the merchandise mart going under if the design district takes off.

WTF?   :wtf:  Do you see why you're the reigning queen of misinformed rants, here on urbanohio?

 

 

 

 

now who is the fool

Dear, you still hold that title!  And you have no challengers.

 

 

No you have the title.Perhaps retirement would be good for you

 

 

now who is the fool

Dear, you still hold that title!  And you have no challengers.

 

 

No you have the title.Perhaps retirement would be good for you

 

 

 

WHAT  :wtf:

^^Good pt. -> The more "potential" locations, the more leverage.

 

more "potential" locations, more consulting fees.

 

Edsiou, final warning on personally attacking forumers.

 

Correction Edit: You too MTS

Wellll, I believe Forest City is the developer for West Quad... hmm, you might be onto something there!

humm...now I'm scratching my head.  If built in UC, there would need to build a convention sized hotel close by.  Along with the types of restaurants and other "expense report" staples you have easily available downtown.

 

I never said I thought it was smart, I was just trying to figure out what they could possibly be talking about in UC.  No doubt the Convention Center/Medical Mart belongs (and pretty much assuredly will end up) downtown.

 

As far as my gut feeling on where it will end up, I am going to say attached to Tower City.  Hopefully we will get a better design than the one previously posted, but the site just seems to make the most sense to me.  It's attached to (very upscale) hotels, a mall, a probable Medical Mart site, and is situated in a convenient location between the two most happening nightlife areas downtown.  Furthermore, it will be very close to the proposed Pesht complex, and would hopefully spur interest in developing Scranton peninsula.

 

And before people start speculating, I do not particularly like FCE.  I just want what I think makes the most sense for downtown.  I think this project could do wonders for public square.

Mayors to announce support for Med Mart plan

 

Posted by Sarah Hollander and Joan Mazzolini August 15, 2007 17:38PM

Categories: Breaking News

Cleveland's bid to land a Medical Mart has drawn endorsements from more than three dozen Cuyahoga County mayors.

 

The supporters, including Democrats and Republicans, plan to identify themselves at a news conference Thursday.

 

By Wednesday, the list of mayors covered 40 communities, or just over two-thirds of Cuyahoga's 59 cities and villages. And the Mayors and City Managers Association expects the list to grow.

 

More at

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/08/mayors_to_announce_support_for.html

Here is the list:

 

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/pdextra/2007/08/CUYAHOGA%20COUNTY%20MAYORS%20WHO%20SUPPORT.doc

 

 

 

Is that a list of who supports the project, or those who support the commissioners' decision to increase sales taxes for the project? If the former, then why aren't other names on there, like Westlake Mayor Dennis Clough?

Is that a list of who supports the project, or those who support the commissioners' decision to increase sales taxes for the project? If the former, then why aren't other names on there, like Westlake Mayor Dennis Clough?

 

maybe because his citizens would overthrow him if he supported any tax increase?? ;)

^^ Probably the latter. I don't see how supporting the "concept" is really supporting the Medical Mart though. Correct me if I'm wrong but there aren't any other alternatives (at least none that I know of) at this point.

So who's missing on that list?  North Olmsted, Strongsville, Richmond Heights, and Highland Heights stick out for me.  Are there others?  Do places like Woodmere, North Randall, and Highland Hills even have a mayor?

Also, I just noticed Brooklyn and Seven Hills  (and of course Westlake was mentioned by someone else) are absent from the list.

 

Still, it's a pretty impressive showing of support by the mayors of Cuyahoga County cities.

^ Agreed, 40/59 is impressive.

I guess I'm just having trouble spotting 19 "places" with mayors not on the list.  It seems like almost ever place of consequence minus a few is on the list.

^Don't forget Linndale.