November 8, 20195 yr The last planned ship of this class will be the next ship to be named U.S.S. Cleveland. She was ordered January 2019. At the pace they're building them, we should see her sometime in 2023-ish.
December 9, 20195 yr Port of Cleveland Sees Increase in Freight and Cruise Ships for 2019 DEC 8 Freight coming through the Port of Cleveland was up 10 percent from the previous year as of September 2019, and the number of passenger cruise ships stopping here jumped from 22 to 28. Both numbers are reasons why the port has made recent upgrades and is planning more work, said Jade Davis, the port’s Vice President of External Affairs. “As of September, we’d moved 330,000 tons of cargo this year through our international terminal,’’ said Davis, and that’s before some of the port’s busiest months. “Usually our busiest months are the last two and first two months of the year. A lot of shippers are trying to get cargo delivered before the seaway closes for the season.’’ Roughly 13 million tons of cargo moves through Cleveland’s port annually, supporting 20,000 jobs and creating $3.5 billion in economic activity. MORE https://www.gcpartnership.com/news/GCP-News/December-2019/Port-of-Cleveland-Sees-Increase-in-Freight-and-Cruise-Ships-for-2019 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 16, 20205 yr Viking announces Great Lakes cruises for 2022; won’t stop in Cleveland By Susan Glaser, The Plain Dealer LOS ANGELES — Viking Cruises, best known for its high-end European river cruises, will start sailing in the Great Lakes in 2022, offering several itineraries that crisscross the freshwater bodies of water. Absent from those itineraries: any stops in Cleveland or the Ohio shore of Lake Erie. Continued on cleveland.com Too bad, really. That new ship is real nice looking. Hopefully in a year or two they'll find a way to fit some time in for the CLE! Edited January 16, 20205 yr by X fix formating and spelling
January 29, 20205 yr The port, much like Cleveland's economy, just keeps growing.... Cleveland port traffic grew 9 percent in 2019 https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/01/cleveland-port-traffic-grew-9-percent-in-2019.html
February 11, 20205 yr Kaptur Announces $27M in Federal Funding Headed to Port Infrastructure Projects in Toledo and Cleveland Cleveland: $11 Million In the past, the Port's Dock's 24 and 26 have averaged 80 vessel calls per year and have moved an annual average of 420,000 metric tons of cargo. The poor condition of Dock 26 required its closure in December of 2018, with a portion of that cargo being transferred to Dock 24, which itself has only 10 years of useful life left. The funding will allow the Port to modernize and repair this vital port infrastructure and increase cargo volumes. The Port predicts that cargo volumes could double over the next 20 years. The $11,000,0000 awarded to the Port of Cleveland will be match with an additional $5,900,000 in local funds to move the project forward. https://kaptur.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/kaptur-announces-27m-federal-funding-headed-port-infrastructure-projects "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 28, 20205 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 28, 20205 yr How much bigger are the Satlies than the river ships? Its amazing to see just the size of the ships that go down the river up close, those sea-going vessels must be huge.
May 28, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: How much bigger are the Satlies than the river ships? Its amazing to see just the size of the ships that go down the river up close, those sea-going vessels must be huge. They are the same size to smaller. Lake freighters don't have to fit in the same locks that the ocean going vessels must navigate. The larger of the ocean vessels in the port is the Federal Champlain at 199m in length. There are some lake freighters longer than that that squeeze up the cuyahoga. The longest lake freighters top out around 1000'.
May 28, 20205 yr List of 1000 ft + Great Lakes freighters https://www.saultstemarie.com/the-ultimate-list-of-1000-foot-freighters-on-the-great-lakes/
May 30, 20205 yr Missed the third saltie from this week.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 12, 20204 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 13, 20204 yr I love seeing container ships in Cleveland... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 10, 20204 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 21, 20214 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 28, 20214 yr My company just recently looked at bringing containers into Port of Cleveland instead of NY. Its definitely more expensive, but now an option that we have while the NY ports are really backed up
January 28, 20214 yr 46 minutes ago, mack34 said: My company just recently looked at bringing containers into Port of Cleveland instead of NY. Its definitely more expensive, but now an option that we have while the NY ports are really backed up Just curious is it more expensive port-to-port? Or more expensive even after factoring truck/rail freight from NY ports to final destination?
January 28, 20214 yr We bring in containers from Germany....Port to port cost was approximately an additional $600. Freight from Port to my warehouse would of been slightly less then what we pay now. Only other issue was frequency of getting a container in.
January 28, 20214 yr I've also been told it's more expensive to bring a container into Cleveland nonstop from a European or Asian port than it is to off-load at an East Coast port and transfer the container to Cleveland by rail or even truck. The reason is the slower transit time via the St. Lawrence Seaway and the closure of Great Lakes shipping from December to March. But global warming (opening of Arctic Route, year-round Great Lakes shipping), new port investments and new ship technologies offer real potential to Great Lakes ports like Toronto, Cleveland and Chicago. Cleveland has the leg up right now among Great Lakes container ports and needs to stay there. Here's a couple of interesting snippets from a recent article....... Canadian Mega-Ship Terminal Plans are underway at Sydney, Nova Scotia to develop a transshipment terminal for the largest container ships afloat that will carry containers from Asian ports, via the Suez Canal or via the Arctic route to the North American east coast. Plans call for smaller vessels to carry containers to several ports located along the Atlantic coast, St. Lawrence River and Great Lakes. The expected twinning of the Suez Canal and expected extended Arctic shipping season could involve ships of 23,000 to 28,000-TEU sailing between Asia and east coast North America, offering very low per container transportation costs. Interlining mega-ships with Seaway-max ships at Sydney would offer very competitive transportation costs of up to $2,000 per container to customers located in the greater metropolitan areas of Chicago, Cleveland and Toronto. Tugs pushing and navigating single barges and possibly towing a second barge would be able to sail across the Gulf of St. Lawrence to smaller ports located along the St. Lawrence River and Seaway into Lake Ontario. After entering the Lower St. Lawrence River, barges could be rearranged into a coupled train with tug at the stern. Vessel Technology Size restrictions are in effect for vessels that sail the navigable waterway between Quebec City and the Great Lakes, the most stringent restrictions being in effect upstream of Montreal. While Panamax ships that sail to Montreal are built to a beam of 105 feet, the navigation channel can transit a vessel of 140 feet beam and carry 30 percent more containers. Removing the engine from the vessel and placing it in a floating towed power generator would increase payload, with azipod propulsion installed under the hull of the container vessel. The technical layout could allow for trans-North Atlantic sailing. The towed power generator concept may be applied to a Seaway-max size of ship to increase payload and allow for trans-North Atlantic sailing. Semi-autonomous navigation combined with computer control could allow a single power generator to allow a three-unit train of two container vessels and power vessel to sail across ocean to/from Montreal, where the train would be disassembled. One Seaway size container vessel would sail to Toronto and the other to Chicago if Seaway navigation locks were lengthened to transit longer vessels. Larger vessels arriving at Montreal could interline through transshipment with smaller vessels sailing to upstream destinations. https://www.maritime-executive.com/editorials/improved-prospects-for-container-ships-on-the-st-lawrence-seaway "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 28, 20214 yr On 1/21/2021 at 9:35 AM, KJP said: Was just about to send that article to someone until I read it---it puts CLE as one of TWENTY ports......how many large inland ports are there anyway? So it just lists basically every port. Cinci, Pittsburgh, Memphis, Detroit...even Tulsa, Oklahoma is on the list.
January 28, 20214 yr There are probably more than 20 commercial ports just on Lake Erie. Any place that has a grain silo or an aggregate transload next to a dock is an inland commercial port. So do all of you realize what a big deal the opening of an Arctic shipping lane will mean to Great Lakes and East Coast ports?? The Arctic is already open part of the year now. It will be increasingly open as global warming increases. So I was playing around with Google Earth to see if the Arctic shipping lane was shorter and, if so, by how much. Turns out, it is A LOT SHORTER!! These are approximate distances in miles..... 14,908 Shanghai-Panama-Cleveland 14,945 Shanghai-Panama-Sidney-Cleveland 14,864 Shanghai-Suez-Cleveland 14,931 Shanghai-Suez-Sidney-Cleveland 8,158 Shanghai-Arctic-Sidney 9,182 Shanghai-Arctic-Cleveland 9,525 Shanghai-Arctic-Sidney-Cleveland And for reference.... 4,122 Antwerp-Cleveland 4,462 Antwerp-Sidney-Cleveland This could have a major impact on Great Lakes economies. The city that has the leg up on container shipping will win the most. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 30, 20214 yr On 1/28/2021 at 10:41 AM, KJP said: There are probably more than 20 commercial ports just on Lake Erie. Any place that has a grain silo or an aggregate transload next to a dock is an inland commercial port. So do all of you realize what a big deal the opening of an Arctic shipping lane will mean to Great Lakes and East Coast ports?? The Arctic is already open part of the year now. It will be increasingly open as global warming increases. So I was playing around with Google Earth to see if the Arctic shipping lane was shorter and, if so, by how much. Turns out, it is A LOT SHORTER!! These are approximate distances in miles..... 14,908 Shanghai-Panama-Cleveland 14,945 Shanghai-Panama-Sidney-Cleveland 14,864 Shanghai-Suez-Cleveland 14,931 Shanghai-Suez-Sidney-Cleveland 8,158 Shanghai-Arctic-Sidney 9,182 Shanghai-Arctic-Cleveland 9,525 Shanghai-Arctic-Sidney-Cleveland And for reference.... 4,122 Antwerp-Cleveland 4,462 Antwerp-Sidney-Cleveland This could have a major impact on Great Lakes economies. The city that has the leg up on container shipping will win the most. If Cleveland/Cuyahoga were smart they would start developing the infrastructure now to become a container port lead on the Great Lakes. The impact it would have on the 3-C's, Pittsburgh, etc would be enormous. It could happen even with the downsizing of the port fronting the lake. My prime example would be Savannah, which is one of the leading container ports on the east coast. The ships have to pass through River Street to access the port, much like The Flats in Cleveland.
April 12, 20214 yr Cleveland port hosts first salty of the season When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
May 28, 20214 yr Nice thread "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20214 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 17, 20213 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 30, 20213 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 30, 20213 yr The Great Lakes-St. Lawrence Seaway System sees increase in construction materials over 2020 tonnage From the article: "Dave Gutheil, Chief Commercial Officer, Port of Cleveland. “Our general cargo tonnage, which included a mix of containerized cargo, yachts, imported steel, and heavy machinery, grew by nearly 55% compared to our June 2020 numbers, and has increased by nearly 60% YTD compared to 2020. "
September 12, 20213 yr Shipping company Spliethoff will provide monthly container-only service through the St. Lawrence Seaway between CLE and Antwerp. Their existing service was not container-only, but a mix of stuff including loose bulk. Service started Sept 7 or so. https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/port-cleveland-adds-first-great-lakes-container-only-shipping-route-europe
September 13, 20213 yr I see that this is a dedicated, container-only ship whereas past container shipping was on ships that would carry large equipment and vehicles too. But they've got to get to this to a weekly schedule otherwise there's no time savings vs congested coastal ports... Port of Cleveland adds first Great Lakes container-only shipping route to, from Europe https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/port-cleveland-adds-first-great-lakes-container-only-shipping-route-europe "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 13, 20213 yr 29 minutes ago, KJP said: I see that this is a dedicated, container-only ship whereas past container shipping was on ships that would carry large equipment and vehicles too. But they've got to get to this to a weekly schedule otherwise there's no time savings vs congested coastal ports... Port of Cleveland adds first Great Lakes container-only shipping route to, from Europe https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/port-cleveland-adds-first-great-lakes-container-only-shipping-route-europe I was disappointed the article didn't mention the actual load - only the ship's capacity/ Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
September 13, 20213 yr 25 minutes ago, Dougal said: I was disappointed the article didn't mention the actual load - only the ship's capacity/ @MayDay got a photo of it this past weekend in his latest Goodtime III ride/photo tour, posted in the photo section. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 20213 yr On 9/13/2021 at 1:47 PM, KJP said: I see that this is a dedicated, container-only ship whereas past container shipping was on ships that would carry large equipment and vehicles too. But they've got to get to this to a weekly schedule otherwise there's no time savings vs congested coastal ports... Port of Cleveland adds first Great Lakes container-only shipping route to, from Europe https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/port-cleveland-adds-first-great-lakes-container-only-shipping-route-europe Nice marketing behind the route.
December 13, 20213 yr Container movement capacity at the Port of Cleveland is only 15% used---lots of room to grow. That info was the useful takeaway from this piece: https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2021/12/10/port-of-cleveland-stays-active-despite-supply-chain-issues#
December 24, 20213 yr Cleveland port authority gets $3 million grant from U.S. Transportation Department "WASHINGTON, D. C. - The Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority has been awarded a $3 million U.S. Department of Transportation grant to conduct a comprehensive planning study that will help address the port’s cargo handling, environmental and economic development needs and broader regional planning goals. It was among 25 grants totaling more than $241 million that the Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg announced Thursday..." https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/12/cleveland-port-authority-gets-3-million-grant-from-us-transportation-department.html
December 24, 20213 yr 9 minutes ago, Pugu said: Cleveland port authority gets $3 million grant from U.S. Transportation Department "WASHINGTON, D. C. - The Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority has been awarded a $3 million U.S. Department of Transportation grant to conduct a comprehensive planning study that will help address the port’s cargo handling, environmental and economic development needs and broader regional planning goals. It was among 25 grants totaling more than $241 million that the Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg announced Thursday..." https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/12/cleveland-port-authority-gets-3-million-grant-from-us-transportation-department.html If you want to see how our award compared to other cities, here's the full list. We got $3M, average award was $9.6M: https://www.maritime.dot.gov/sites/marad.dot.gov/files/2021-12/2021_ PIDP Grant Awards - Combined Project Descriptions.pdf
December 24, 20213 yr 43 minutes ago, Pugu said: If you want to see how our award compared to other cities, here's the full list. We got $3M, average award was $9.6M: https://www.maritime.dot.gov/sites/marad.dot.gov/files/2021-12/2021_ PIDP Grant Awards - Combined Project Descriptions.pdf That's in addition to the ~$3.5M the port is getting from the state. - Rehabilitation of Docks 26 West and 24: $946,884 - S. Customs and Border Protection Facility: $870,933 - Dock 20 North Paved Container Yard: $1,737,500 But it looks like this grant is only for planning rather than actual capital improvements which would explain why it's well below the average. https://www.portofcleveland.com/port-of-cleveland-awarded-10-52m-in-state-maritime-grant-funding/ Edited December 24, 20213 yr by Luke_S
January 12, 20223 yr I'm curious - why is there currently not a ferry service from Cleveland to Ontario (Erieau, Port Stanley, Port Rowan etc). It just seems kind of wild to me that Canada would be a 1.5-2 hour ferry ride away and it isn't even an option. I think obviously we could make an argument that it would be faster to just drive to Windsor via Detroit, but I think this would take off travel time en route to Toronto, no? Additionally, it would make for some cool options other than the Shores and Islands in the summer. I'm sure people have considered it and there's good reasons why this doesn't exist - but I'm just curious.
January 12, 20223 yr 53 minutes ago, YABO713 said: I'm curious - why is there currently not a ferry service from Cleveland to Ontario (Erieau, Port Stanley, Port Rowan etc). It just seems kind of wild to me that Canada would be a 1.5-2 hour ferry ride away and it isn't even an option. I think obviously we could make an argument that it would be faster to just drive to Windsor via Detroit, but I think this would take off travel time en route to Toronto, no? Additionally, it would make for some cool options other than the Shores and Islands in the summer. I'm sure people have considered it and there's good reasons why this doesn't exist - but I'm just curious. Good question. The portion of Ontario you mention is rather barren of anything consequential for anyone to undertake the journey, other than to visit another country that is relatively close by. I did some googling and found an old article from 10 years ago. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/cleveland-ontario-discuss-lake-erie-ferry-service-1.758108
January 12, 20223 yr Check out discussions of proposed ferry service to Canada earlier in this thread and the Cleveland Canada Ferry thread.
January 12, 20223 yr I got knee-deep in the Cleveland-Canada ferry talks. I even went with a couple of Cleveland folks to Hamilton, ONT in 2015 to meet with some folks over there. They wanted it too, but it would take subsidies to sustain a high-speed ferry. A low-speed ferry to handle trucks linking Ford plants that no longer exist would have been profitable. But the freight traffic is now gone. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 13, 20223 yr On Monday NPR's economics podcast The Indicator released a short episode on inland ports focusing on Cleveland. It highlighted a ship that came in from Shanghai and the regular service in place from Antwerp. They note the distance from Europe to Cleveland is virtually the same as going to the larger port of Baltimore. It's worth a listen. https://www.npr.org/2022/01/10/1071932095/inland-port-priority
February 3, 20223 yr Wowzers! Port of Cleveland sees 69% increase in tonnage in 2021 Updated: Feb. 03, 2022, 10:29 a.m. | Published: Feb. 03, 2022, 10:29 a.m. By Sean McDonnell, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio — Cleveland’s port was well used in 2021 amid ongoing supply-chain issues across the U.S. The Port of Cleveland on Thursday reported a 69% increase in tonnage across its docks compared to 2020. The port said significant increases in goods both in and out of containers, and iron ore shipments to the Cleveland-Cliffs Cleveland Works steel mill, drove the increase. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/02/port-of-cleveland-sees-69-increase-in-tonnage-in-2021.html
February 3, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: Wowzers! Port of Cleveland sees 69% increase in tonnage in 2021 Updated: Feb. 03, 2022, 10:29 a.m. | Published: Feb. 03, 2022, 10:29 a.m. By Sean McDonnell, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio — Cleveland’s port was well used in 2021 amid ongoing supply-chain issues across the U.S. The Port of Cleveland on Thursday reported a 69% increase in tonnage across its docks compared to 2020. The port said significant increases in goods both in and out of containers, and iron ore shipments to the Cleveland-Cliffs Cleveland Works steel mill, drove the increase. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/02/port-of-cleveland-sees-69-increase-in-tonnage-in-2021.html How does 2021 compare to 2019? If the shipping industry is anything like the airlines, its easier than hell to beat 2020 numbers. We must look at a pre-covid year for a basis of comparison.
February 3, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: Wowzers! Port of Cleveland sees 69% increase in tonnage in 2021 Updated: Feb. 03, 2022, 10:29 a.m. | Published: Feb. 03, 2022, 10:29 a.m. By Sean McDonnell, cleveland.com I'd love to know if they broke even on the container service, which they say doubled in volume in 2021.. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 3, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Pugu said: How does 2021 compare to 2019? If the shipping industry is anything like the airlines, its easier than hell to beat 2020 numbers. We must look at a pre-covid year for a basis of comparison. It's not going to be quite as different, though there will be a difference due to slower economic activity. But the shipping industry doesn't pack people in like sardines.
February 3, 20223 yr https://www.instagram.com/p/CZhYab9pXJ9/?utm_medium=share_sheet Their Instagram post is a nice summary, says 2021 was the second highest general cargo terminal volume in the past 10 years. It would seem it was a good year regardless of the base comparison year.
February 3, 20223 yr ^A simple graph--or just raw numbers--of 10 years of data would do wonders than such vague "statistics". For example, such claims would be accurate under the following scenario with a 1% increase over 2019. Why not just release real numbers? 2021 - 90 tons (Giant jump from 2020!!!!!---69%!!!!--and second highest in ten years!) 20- 46 tons 19 - 91 (highest in ten years!!! higher than 2021) 18 - 88 17 - 88 16 - 87 15- 87 14- 86 13 - 85 12 - 84 Edited February 3, 20223 yr by Pugu
February 3, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, Pugu said: ^A simple graph--or just raw numbers--of 10 years of data would do wonders than such vague "statistics". For example, such claims would be accurate under the following scenario with a 1% increase over 2019. Why not just release real numbers? 2021 - 90 tons (Giant jump from 2020!!!!!---69%!!!!--and second highest in ten years!) 20- 46 tons 19 - 91 (highest in ten years!!! higher than 2021) 18 - 88 17 - 88 16 - 87 15- 87 14- 86 13 - 85 12 - 84 The Plain Dealer (cleveland.com) has 2015 being the 10-year high for general cargo, so it wouldn't follow your hypothetical graph. Though, a graph like that with actual numbers would be nice to visulize.
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