February 3, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Rando Sinclair said: The Plain Dealer (cleveland.com) has 2015 being the 10-year high for general cargo, so it wouldn't follow your hypothetical graph. Though, a graph like that with actual numbers would be nice to visulize. Thanks for that detail. You can get the Total Short Tons from 2015 through 2019 from the Department of Transportation statistics site here. 2015 - 13,697,162 2016 - 12,422,548 2017 - 13,314,224 2018 - 11,778,910 2019 - 11,880,935
February 3, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Rando Sinclair said: The Plain Dealer (cleveland.com) has 2015 being the 10-year high for general cargo, so it wouldn't follow your hypothetical graph. Though, a graph like that with actual numbers would be nice to visulize. It doesn't matter. Then just swap out 2019 and 2015 in my numbers. My point is still the same. my point is a "69%" increase from 2020 means NOTHING without context. 69% increase from 2020 could still be a 2% increase from 2019 and a 3% increase from 2018. Why not just show real numbers? The Plain Dealer may not have the competent reporters anymore (all been fired) to ask the right questions, but it doesn't mean that all the people in mass public are idiots and will not understand that 69% in an of itself means nothing. To me, this makes the Port Authority look worse than if they said nothing at all. (Also---if you're talking about a data point for only general cargo---you can't compare that (2015) to general cargo + containerized cargo and I think the 2021 number is supposed to be all cargo, not just general cargo. apples to apples w/ oranges.)
February 3, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Luke_S said: Thanks for that detail. You can get the Total Short Tons from 2015 through 2019 from the Department of Transportation statistics site here. 2015 - 13,697,162 2016 - 12,422,548 2017 - 13,314,224 2018 - 11,778,910 2019 - 11,880,935 Thanks Luke. I looked on the Port Authority's website for data---like you find on other port authority's webpages--but nope. So the port authority HAS 2020 and 2021 numbers but we have to use outdated Federal numbers that only go as far as 2019. So without knowing the numbers from 2020, 2014, 2013, and 2012 (to understand the "10-year" span), all we know is 2021 is somewhere between 13,697,162 (if 2015 is the max and not 2014...) and 13,314,224 (2017 -- min). But the minimum COULD be higher, if e.g., 2014 was 13,697,100.
February 3, 20223 yr @Luke_S why downvote my post? Everything I said is true---and if you're gonna go public with a big claim and you're a public agency---also show the numbers used to make that claim. This is barely scratching the surface of public accountability of government agencies. Why would you be against that?
February 3, 20223 yr Check out auditor's records. Here's one of them..... https://ohioauditor.gov/auditsearch/Reports/2020/Cleveland-Cuyahoga_Co_Port_Authority_19-Cuyahoga.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 20223 yr ^Great news! Love to hear this: Gutheil said the port is anticipating a full rebound in 2022, with 43 ships scheduled to stop in Cleveland, up from 22 in 2019.
February 23, 20223 yr And on the freight side of things. https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/02/22/port-cleveland-is-multi-million-dollar-infrastructure-project-works/ "With container volumes up now more than ever, the port will undertake a $20 million project focused on repairing the port’s decades-old docks where the vessels come in. ... These improvements are expected to last the next 30 to 40 years. They will be complete by early April 2023. Port officials said they are also working to add bulk liquid cargo to their operations."
February 23, 20223 yr 16 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Cleveland has been added as a stop on a new Great Lakes itinerary from Viking, the luxury cruise line that will start sailing in the region this year. Hopefully this leads to some investment in passenger terminal improvements as well.
February 25, 20223 yr On 2/23/2022 at 8:48 AM, Foraker said: Hopefully this leads to some investment in passenger terminal improvements as well. I'd still love to see some sort of passenger "terminal" at North Coast harbour, rather than the port itself. Maybe the cruise ships can tie up to the Mather? It would be a truly unique experience arriving in Cleveland!
March 15, 20223 yr OK, what's this?? Record B22006351: Com Building Permit Record Status: Issuance Pending Work Location 515 Erieside AVE CLEVELAND OH 44114 Record Details Project Description: - Install Tents for Ship Christening Ceremony INSTA;LL 82' X 100', 20' X 10', 3 - 10' x 10' TENTS FROM 6-12-22 TO 6-17-22 FOR SHIP CHRISTENING CEREMONY PER APPROVED PLANS. 82' X 100' TENT TO HAVE 1 WALL. MAXIMUM 780 PEOPLE. Responsible Party information BOB JAVORSKY AABLE RENTS 1365 CHARDON RD. EUCLID, OH, 44117 Contact Phone 216-692-9800 E-mail: [email protected] Additional Information Job Value($): $65,000.00 Number of Buildings: 2 Application Information COMMERCIAL Nature of Job Description.: Tent-Stage Use Group 1: U Utility - Miscellaneous Construction Class: UNKNOWN Certificate of Occupancy Required: No BUILDING CODE Work Area: 8200 No. of Stories/Units: 1 Bldg Footprint (SqFt): 8200 Sprinklers: No Fire Alarm: No Occupant Load Per Floor: 780 Number of Tents: 2 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 15, 20223 yr ^ https://mfame.guru/new-bulk-carrier-ship-plies-great-lakes/ New Great Lakes bulk ship christening. I’d paste a few details, but the website seems locked down and won’t allow me to copy text. First one in 40 years, so I guess that’s a good economic indicator. My hovercraft is full of eels
March 16, 20223 yr https://www.usscleveland.org/timeline/ We’ll be Christening the USS Cleveland in 2024 as well
April 4, 20223 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 14, 20223 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 10, 20223 yr Busy day at the port - 4 cargo ships. And tomorrow brings the first cruise ship in over 2 years. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
May 10, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Busy day at the port - 4 cargo ships. And tomorrow brings the first cruise ship in over 2 years. This is a good reference: https://www.portofcleveland.com/maritime-logistics/tools/vessel-arrival-schedule/
May 11, 20223 yr Six ships now in port "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 11, 20223 yr Here is some more info on the cruise ship. https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2022/05/cruising-returns-to-the-great-lakes-and-to-cleveland-which-has-a-new-customs-facility-for-passengers.html
June 14, 20222 yr "NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN by the Board of Directors that Sealed Bids will be received by the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority for the: U.S. Customs & Border Protection Cargo & Administration Facility" https://www.portofcleveland.com/u-s-customs-border-protection-cargo-administration-facility/
October 16, 20222 yr 9 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Cool to see, but the impact of 4,000 visitors per cruise season is going to be fairly minimal.
October 16, 20222 yr https://www.vikingcruises.com/expeditions/cruise-destinations/great-lakes-canada/great-lakes-collection/index.html#itineraryday/4 For Cleveland, excursion options include trips to RRHOF, West Side Market, the Mather and Cod, the Art Museum, or hike/bike/kayak the Cuyahoga Valley Natl Park...
October 16, 20222 yr 20 minutes ago, X said: Cool to see, but the impact of 4,000 visitors per cruise season is going to be fairly minimal. I guess the next question would be how much more can we scale this up so that the cruise industry alone is impactful?
October 16, 20222 yr 4 hours ago, X said: Cool to see, but the impact of 4,000 visitors per cruise season is going to be fairly minimal. On the cruise I took the opportunities for spending money in the city weren't huge, but the impact of Cleveland was amazing. A shipload of people with only a vague idea of the city before hand left town fourteen hours later very favorably impressed. Lots of "I had no idea Cleveland was so [favorable adjective]." Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
October 16, 20222 yr 14 hours ago, Luke_S said: I guess the next question would be how much more can we scale this up so that the cruise industry alone is impactful? One way would be as they do in the rest of the civilized world, make this into a form of transportation by selling empty staterooms between ports for business travelers etc. Rather than driving the turnpike or flying to DTW for an 8 am meeting in Detroit, grab a room on the ship and overnight there, waking up docked on the Detroit river rested and ready! Of course this would take a significant volume of ship traffic to have a regular schedule...
October 16, 20222 yr Well this is all good news to me. Would we like triple the numbers? Sure but compared to where we started this is pretty good. Any and all traffic whether it be office workers, residents or day trippers...it's all good. But because these visitors are not local l would like to see as more concerted effort to make it easier for them to navigate the local sights. I don't think it would be all that complicated either. Just pay attention to the little things, connect the dots so to speak and we would create a better visit. I hope the powers that be focus on that.
October 27, 20222 yr "The Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority got a a $27.2 million U.S. Department of Transportation grant that it will use to modernize and expand its electrical and stormwater infrastructure, U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, a Cleveland Democrat, announced Wednesday.... The grant will be used to modernize a 144,000-square-foot warehouse; expand stormwater collection and treatment infrastructure; construct a modernized maintenance and repowering facility for terminal equipment; and install electric infrastructure to meet the power requirements of ship cold ironing and electrified cargo handling equipment..." https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/10/cleveland-cuyahoga-port-authority-gets-27-million-grant-from-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill.html Edited October 27, 20222 yr by jcw92
February 10, 20232 yr The Port had a great year in 2022. International general cargo up 25% to 525,486 tons; containers up 100% to 9,978 TEU from 4,810 the year before. TEU = twenty-foot equivalent unit. Bulk cargo (mostly iron ore) declined about 10% from its five-year average to 4,896,310 tons because of furnace maintenance at the Cleveland Cliffs mill. https://www.portofcleveland.com/port-of-cleveland-solidifies-position-as-great-lakes-reliable-international-shipping-hub-in-2022/ Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 10, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, Dougal said: The Port had a great year in 2022. International general cargo up 25% to 525,486 tons; containers up 100% to 9,978 TEU from 4,810 the year before. TEU = twenty-foot equivalent unit. Bulk cargo (mostly iron ore) declined about 10% from its five-year average to 4,896,310 tons because of furnace maintenance at the Cleveland Cliffs mill. https://www.portofcleveland.com/port-of-cleveland-solidifies-position-as-great-lakes-reliable-international-shipping-hub-in-2022/ Are other Great Lakes ports doing containers yet?
February 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: Are other Great Lakes ports doing containers yet? From my understanding, Cleveland is the only deep water port on the Great Lakes, and it's likely to stay that way for at least the next decades. Certain depths are required for larger container ships, so we have a significant advantage over Buffalo, Chicago, Milwaukee, Green Bay, and Duluth
February 10, 20232 yr 52 minutes ago, YABO713 said: From my understanding, Cleveland is the only deep water port on the Great Lakes, and it's likely to stay that way for at least the next decades. Certain depths are required for larger container ships, so we have a significant advantage over Buffalo, Chicago, Milwaukee, Green Bay, and Duluth It looks like Oswego, NY is a deep water port, and can do containers. I'm really not an expert though, so I could be misreading something. https://portoswego.com/
February 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, YABO713 said: From my understanding, Cleveland is the only deep water port on the Great Lakes, and it's likely to stay that way for at least the next decades. Certain depths are required for larger container ships, so we have a significant advantage over Buffalo, Chicago, Milwaukee, Green Bay, and Duluth As an aside, I feel like most of the containers come and go via trucks. I've never seen any being loaded on rail cars there. It must mean that most of them are smaller shipments and going to relatively "local" destinations?
February 10, 20232 yr Toronto has also occasionally hosted container ships, but lacks a regularly scheduled service like Cleveland. 24 minutes ago, Cleburger said: As an aside, I feel like most of the containers come and go via trucks. I've never seen any being loaded on rail cars there. It must mean that most of them are smaller shipments and going to relatively "local" destinations? That's correct. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 10, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, Ethan said: It looks like Oswego, NY is a deep water port, and can do containers. I'm really not an expert though, so I could be misreading something. https://portoswego.com/ And looks like Oswego can only accommodate one ship at a time
February 10, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, YABO713 said: From my understanding, Cleveland is the only deep water port on the Great Lakes, and it's likely to stay that way for at least the next decades. Certain depths are required for larger container ships, so we have a significant advantage over Buffalo, Chicago, Milwaukee, Green Bay, and Duluth Cleveland's advantage is geographical. It's 3 to 4 more days afloat to get to Chicago/Milwaukee, but only half a day by truck from Cleveland. The costs end up being roughly equivalent but the time saving can be important. It wouldn't hurt for Ohio's congressional delegation to propose reduced Welland Canal charges. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 10, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Dougal said: Cleveland's advantage is geographical. It's 3 to 4 more days afloat to get to Chicago/Milwaukee, but only half a day by truck from Cleveland. The costs end up being roughly equivalent but the time saving can be important. It wouldn't hurt for Ohio's congressional delegation to propose reduced Welland Canal charges. It's also quicker to sail from Antwerp to Cleveland than to NYC, let alone Baltimore.
February 15, 20232 yr On 2/10/2023 at 10:38 AM, Dougal said: Cleveland's advantage is geographical. It's 3 to 4 more days afloat to get to Chicago/Milwaukee, but only half a day by truck from Cleveland. The costs end up being roughly equivalent but the time saving can be important. It wouldn't hurt for Ohio's congressional delegation to propose reduced Welland Canal charges. I wish instead that they would propose funds to enlarge the Welland Canal (in concert with Canada, of course).
February 17, 20232 yr The seven locks along the Saint Lawrence Seaway from Lake Ontario to Montreal also need to be widened. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 5, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Mayor Bibb gets ragged on for going out of town too often, but this is the reward for advocating your city on the national stage. Refreshing. Edited May 5, 20232 yr by nokoeeee
May 5, 20232 yr 54 minutes ago, nokoeeee said: Mayor Bibb gets ragged on for going out of town too often, but this is the reward for advocating your city on the national stage. Refreshing. I didn't see anything about Bibb in that article.
May 5, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, X said: I didn't see anything about Bibb in that article. That’s true, but… Bibb resetting Cleveland's place on national stage and Mayor Justin Bibb says his out-of-state travels intended to bring resources, new ideas home to Cleveland (Just two examples documenting Bibb and Buttigieg meeting) It looks like Mayor Bibb and Secretary Pete have met at least twice, in Washington and in Cleveland. While not explicit, it’s probably safe to say that this likely included advocacy by Bibb for just the sort of grants that the port received. Edited May 5, 20232 yr by brtshrcegr
May 5, 20232 yr I'm not sure there is any evidence this isn't just from the Port's applying for funds to update its infrastructure. 27 million out of 703 allocated to the busiest port in ohio doesn't seem like like it would be unexpected for a program like this. Not that Bibb advocating for the city is a bad thing.
May 5, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Whipjacka said: I'm not sure there is any evidence this isn't just from the Port's applying for funds to update its infrastructure. 27 million out of 703 allocated to the busiest port in ohio doesn't seem like like it would be unexpected for a program like this. Not that Bibb advocating for the city is a bad thing. Absolutely fair. There’s a long list of ports around the county that received these grants (and I was pleased to see Cleveland is receiving more than the MUCH larger Jaxport in Jacksonville, Fla, but I digress…) Point is, it can’t hurt the Port, Cleveland, or Cuyahoga County that Mayor Bibb is making the effort (alongside the congressional delegation) to stay on the radar of Cabinet level officials. Just the same as his colleagues nationwide. And while we might not ever know definitively, it may have had a role, albeit small. You couldn’t say the same about Mayor “It-is-what-it-is”. Source: Have commuted to both 601 Lakeside and a large white building with a dome on a hill in Washington in my life. Edited May 5, 20232 yr by brtshrcegr
June 13, 20232 yr Good sized cruise ship in Cleveland’s port today: When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 22, 20231 yr That Crain’s headline is NYTPitchbot worthy. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 23, 20231 yr I think this is one of those underrated business opportunities. 10,000 visitors (and growing) is nothing to sneeze at. Getting some of them into your little shop or restaurant could be the difference between staying open or closing. I know we have various tourism organizations promoting downtown but l wonder how much they actually work with local businesses to help them grab some of those customers? I'm sure they talk with the cruise operators but if they don't already they need to reach out to downtown business owners too and help connect the dots.
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