mrnyc, I think you see my point with the census info. Particular years to look at 1810 (look at the other states and cities ... notice something odd?), 1850, & 1860.

 

... and forget about status rank, this is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

^ no i dont. 1810? i was only referring to peaks. 1850? 1860? yes those are the two cinci sixth city pop peaks i already mentioned. just like i mentioned there are three of those for clev 100yrs later.

 

ancient history vs recent history in the way people talk about density in the two cities is my point. you dont have to hear about the density/pop peaks every day from older folks down in cinci so much as you will in clev.

 

Forget about population peaks! We're talking about establishment time, i.e. the year the shape of downtown took it's form and to which it stands today and how this is relevant to today (density).

not sure what you mean, those pop peaks are the time both cities took their shape and form.

Everyone relax. Both Cleveland and Cincinnati have both gotten collectively kicked in the ass by their own former residents by abandoning both places. These arguments are akin to arguing who is the best meth whore to bring home to mom. It's the future we need to worry about, not the crappy past. :)

true dat. empty lots and even brownfields are a grand opportunity for the future if you look at it that way.

Everyone relax. Both Cleveland and Cincinnati have both gotten collectively kicked in the ass by their own former residents by abandoning both places. These arguments are akin to arguing who is the best meth whore to bring home to mom. It's the future we need to worry about, not the crappy past. :)

 

Finally.

 

you dont have to hear about the density/pop peaks every day from older folks down in cinci so much as you will in clev.

 

 

Bingo.  Cleveland is a relative newer booming city, population-wise, than Cincinnati.  Thus, the late generation of Clevelanders will bitch about the "good ole days" while the late boomers of Cincinnatians will bitch about what THEIR grandparents said about Cincinnati "back when."

cdm, that was really what i was trying to say, just not as clearly, so thx!

Everyone relax. Both Cleveland and Cincinnati have both gotten collectively kicked in the ass by their own former residents by abandoning both places. These arguments are akin to arguing who is the best meth whore to bring home to mom. It's the future we need to worry about, not the crappy past. :)

Agreed, someone had to step in!!! From an outsiders perspective though, the passion is admirable considering the plight of both Cleveland and Cincinnati in the past half century. Only those who can appreciate the beauty of the past can foresee the future of these two cities.

Couple of new things; 1st, an updated Columbus image (the cap is finally there, yay!), 2nd, it looks like you can post pics of the city and put them exactly where they are on the map. Someone already took some pics of downtown and dubbed it "a fine, generic capital city". If anyone has pics of the Short North, German Village, etc, etc, please show people how "generic" Columbus is. And other Ohio cities could use some photos. (Hint-hint, nudge-nudge, wink-wink)

Old thread outa nowhere. Anyhoo, windows live local has more up to date maps..

Never saw this thread before.

 

I noticed something that no one has mentioned yet (not to rekindle any flames or anything, I'm neutral on all of this.)

Assuming that google earth is accurate in its elevations, there is a 700' difference between the Cleveland aerial and that of Cincinnati.  This means that a) Cleveland is even larger in area than it appears in comparison and b) the streets are wider and the surface lots larger in comparison.

 

700' may not seem like much, but zoom in google earth and you can see the difference.