Ernst was born in Cleveland but I'm not sure that the city was ever its national HQ. I thought it was Chicago (before NY)?

 

Thats why I asked.  I don't remember the blizzard and I prayed that I wasn't forgetting this also!  I didn't think Cleveland was ever the location of the WW HQ. 

 

However, I did know that all the "big six" firms had very large offices here in Cleveland as Cleveland is one of the Accounting powerhouse cities.

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I've never known the "corporate" headquarters to be in Cleveland.  E&Y would have been listed in our forture 500 corporate listings.

E&Y's corporate or international headquarters were never located in Cleveland. Remember that E&Y as we know it didn’t exist until 1989.

 

Their international headquarters are located in London and their national headquarters were consolidated and are located in NY.

 

Back to FEB with or without E&Y…

 

E&Y's corporate or international headquarters were never located in Cleveland. Remember that E&Y as we know it didn’t exist until 1989.

 

Their international headquarters are located in London and their national headquarters were consolidated and are located in NY.

 

Back to FEB with or without E&Y…

 

 

I thought the predecessor firm, Ernst & Ernst, was indeed founded and HQ'd in Cleveland for decades.  It was one of the original "Big 8" accounting firms.  I'm not totally certain, but I think I'm right; you may want to recheck this... unless you're ONLY talking about it's most recent incarnation as Ernst & Young, which I know less about.

From the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History:

 

"ERNST & YOUNG is an international accounting firm with more than 600 offices worldwide, including more than 100 offices in the U.S. One of the country's "Big 6" accounting firms, it traces its origins locally to the firm of Ernst & Ernst. In 1903 Alwyn C. and Theodore Ernst opened an accounting office in the Schofield Bldg. (E. 9th St. Tower). The 2-man operation struggled for existence at a time when accounting was considered little more than routine bookkeeping. After Theodore had left the firm in 1906, Alwyn C. remained the managing partner until his death in 1948. Novel for its time, Alwyn C.'s concept of accounting as a creative discipline was the foundation of Ernst & Ernst's success. Implementing his philosophy, Ernst created the Special Services Dept. in 1908, the predecessor of current management-consulting services. The first offices outside Cleveland were opened in Chicago and New York in 1909, followed by several other cities in quick succession. During the 1920s, the firm became national in scope, opening 26 more offices and moving its Cleveland office to the Union Trust (Huntington) Bldg. In 1923 Ernst entered into a working agreement with Sir Arthur Whinney and Sir Chas. Palmour, partners of the British accounting firm Whinney, Murray & Co. The arrangement proved to be mutually satisfactory, and over the years it evolved into Whinney, Murray, Ernst & Ernst, the international operations of Ernst & Ernst. A reorganization in 1979 resulted in the formation of Ernst & Whinney Intl., with international offices in New York and national headquarters in Cleveland. In 1989 Ernst & Whitney merged with Arthur Young of New York as Ernst & Young. While the chairman is located in New York, the firm maintained 4 national offices in Cleveland (Natl. City Ctr.), New York, Washington, and Dallas. In 1993 Ernst & Young employed 20,000 nationally and 64,000 worldwide.

 

http://ech.case.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=EY

wow, this thread has become quite the snoozer!

Then jazz it up, Map Boy!

From the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History:

 

"ERNST & YOUNG is an international accounting firm with more than 600 offices worldwide, including more than 100 offices in the U.S. One of the country's "Big 6" accounting firms, it traces its origins locally to the firm of Ernst & Ernst. In 1903 Alwyn C. and Theodore Ernst opened an accounting office in the Schofield Bldg. (E. 9th St. Tower). The 2-man operation struggled for existence at a time when accounting was considered little more than routine bookkeeping. After Theodore had left the firm in 1906, Alwyn C. remained the managing partner until his death in 1948. Novel for its time, Alwyn C.'s concept of accounting as a creative discipline was the foundation of Ernst & Ernst's success. Implementing his philosophy, Ernst created the Special Services Dept. in 1908, the predecessor of current management-consulting services. The first offices outside Cleveland were opened in Chicago and New York in 1909, followed by several other cities in quick succession. During the 1920s, the firm became national in scope, opening 26 more offices and moving its Cleveland office to the Union Trust (Huntington) Bldg. In 1923 Ernst entered into a working agreement with Sir Arthur Whinney and Sir Chas. Palmour, partners of the British accounting firm Whinney, Murray & Co. The arrangement proved to be mutually satisfactory, and over the years it evolved into Whinney, Murray, Ernst & Ernst, the international operations of Ernst & Ernst. A reorganization in 1979 resulted in the formation of Ernst & Whinney Intl., with international offices in New York and national headquarters in Cleveland. In 1989 Ernst & Whitney merged with Arthur Young of New York as Ernst & Young. While the chairman is located in New York, the firm maintained 4 national offices in Cleveland (Natl. City Ctr.), New York, Washington, and Dallas. In 1993 Ernst & Young employed 20,000 nationally and 64,000 worldwide.

 

http://ech.case.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=EY

 

Thanks, buckeye1  :wave:

Something is wrong, when I worked at SOHIO.  I ran the community and corporate partnerships and I would remember if E&Y was HQ'd here as we would always work with the other HQ on initiatives in Cleveland.

 

I just remember E & Y being a regional HQ.

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Definitely agree with oengus - moving E&Y in could be the impetus for removing the cladding and restoring the original facade as well.  Anyone have a guess as to the square footage of that building vs what E&Y is seeking?

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Definitely agree with oengus - moving E&Y in could be the impetus for removing the cladding and restoring the original facade as well.  Anyone have a guess as to the square footage of that building vs what E&Y is seeking?

 

Isn't E&Y in the Huntington Building?

Yes they are.

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Rumor has it that the architects for Flats East Bank will be NBBJ & RTKL.

Too bad Wolstein doesn't have the same mentality and foresight as the Triangle developers in UC.

 

http://www.nbbj.com/

 

http://www.rtkl.com/

^I heard that there would be three architects.

Uh oh, nbbj did the Clinic Heart Center...

 

rtkl did alot of the urban lifestyle type centers here in D.C.... Pentagon Row, Reston Town Center, and the redevelopment of downtown Silver Spring.   

Also included...

 

http://www.epstein-isi.com/

Epstein's stuff is great. Encouraging pick. I have a really bad feeling about NBBJ, though, just based on the whole Cleveland Clinic thing.

RTKL designed the Skylight Office Tower and The Ritz buildings at Tower City.  Not sure if they did the whole project or not.

I had heard that Forum was doing some work for the FEB. Was that just some preliminary stuff? 

^they were doing preliminary stuff, but I don't think that they are involved anymore.

NBBJ has done stuff for CSU, including the Law Building renovation (iirc) currently underway. They did a good job with that.

Their website is really cool, too. :)

NBBJ has done stuff for CSU, including the Law Building renovation (iirc) currently underway. They did a good job with that.

 

Not trying to be an ass.. which I know I am.. but how could they have done a good job with a project that isn't complete?  Haha, sorry Musky.

Aaaaaaaa, go move to New York. :-D

I thought that Bostwick did the Law building?

You are correct.

NBBJ is doing the College of Education.

Aaaaaaaa, go move to New York. :-D

 

Done and done.  :shoot:

RTKL designed the Skylight Office Tower and The Ritz buildings at Tower City.  Not sure if they did the whole project or not.

 

I believe they also did the Wyndham at Playhouse Square, which did not impress me too much.  I f'ing hate how the reflective windows are flush with the facade on the thing.

 

Thanks for the report, w28, even if slightly disappointing.  RTKL and NBBJ are the epitome of corporate blandola, but they might turn out something good, we'll see.

 

Looks like RTKL and Epstein have teamed up before on a mixed-use project: http://www.epstein-isi.com/portfolio/mixed/mixed_7.htm

It's obvious that the architecture of this project will be nothing to get excited about.

"I believe they also did the Wyndham at Playhouse Square, which did not impress me too much.  I f'ing hate how the reflective windows are flush with the facade on the thing."

 

I can see that and agree.  Seeing the things theyve done, here and Cleveland, RTKL = Postmodern Blandness

They also did Fifth Third Center.

Now I like Fifth Third Center. That's a pretty decent modern skyscraper.

^it's fine.  Although I don't forgive it for crapping on East 6th Street with its lousy parking garage.

 

Should be very interesting to observe the design and development of FEB v. Triangle given the different directions in architect selection.

I had the opportunity to watch the Superbowl at a fine west bank establishment that offered extensive views of the carnage that now passes for the Flats East Bank.

 

I have to admit, the absence of the riverfront buildings does wonders opening up the waterfront. Prime boardwalk location if you ask me, as pedestrians in this district will abandon their cars and surely be an engine for commerce (see Baltimore).

 

But for the life of me, I can not understand why Wolstein is so bent on tearing down the existing Heaven and Earth and John Harvard buildings. These places look to have structural integrity, and they provide an important link to the past. They embody the look and feel of the historic Flats because they are genuine. Yet I haven't heard anyone speak up to save these places.

 

Am I the only one who is concerned about the psychological disconnect that will surely come when the FEB is completely unrecognizable to both tourists and life long Clevelanders alike? And what chance is there that the new structures will be as well built as these existing buildings?

 

The restoration of just two of these promintent remaining landmarks would make a tremendous difference in preserving the heritage of the Flats, as well as set a standard for new architecture to build from.

My understanding is that the new project will not absorb the entirety of what we all know as the FEB.  It does not go south of the west shoreway bridge.

But for the life of me, I can not understand why Wolstein is so bent on tearing down the existing Heaven and Earth and John Harvard buildings. These places look to have structural integrity, and they provide an important link to the past. They embody the look and feel of the historic Flats because they are genuine. Yet I haven't heard anyone speak up to save these places.

 

i think the problem is that the FEB plans call for a complete reconfiguring of the street grid and rebuilding of supporting infrastructure.  so, although i agree that these building appear to be worth saving, in the overall scheme of FEB, that building could not exist within the new street grid supporting the boardwalk, etc.

 

not saying i agree with the decision, but the port, city, wolstein, etc. are all on board with the reconfigured streets.  it is also why the project can't start in small pieces until all of the land is aquired.  it's not like euclid ave where they are just replacing utilities in the same ditch. 

And the understanding being that the new configuration would better open up access and views to the river..?  Its certainly a trade off.. 

See the PD article below.  This opens up more class A office space in the "Key" building that may compete with FEB and Stark....

 

Key moving 1,000 workers to Higbee building

Posted by Plain Dealer staff February 06, 2008 10:48AM

Categories: Breaking News

 

James A. Ross/Plain Dealer file

Dillard's department store occupied the Higbee building on Public Square in 1998.KeyCorp and Forest City Enterprises Inc. said this morning that Key has signed a 15-year lease agreement that will relocate about 1,000 Key employees to the Higbee building on Public Square from the nearby May Co. building.

The lease, for about 221,000 square feet of office space, is one of the largest agreements signed in the city, the companies said in a written statement.

 

The lease starts in January 2010, but Key expects to begin outfitting the space in June 2009 and anticipates it will begin moving staff at the end of 2009.

 

More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com

No it doesnt.. They would be moving from the May Co. building, which is not "class A"     Actually read the article and see the "office vacancy" thread.  :?

Hi cdogz, although there's a tie-in - this is already being discussed in the "Cleveland's downtown vacancy rates" thread http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,4266.msg254735.html#new

Well, it looks like the lean for Eaton is more and more towards the FEB :

 

Eaton Corp., port to begin talks on new HQ campus

Posted by Tom Breckenridge and Michelle Jarboe February 06, 2008 20:16PM

Categories: Impact

 

Eaton Corp., the biggest Fortune 500 company headquartered in Cleveland, will begin serious talks that could result in a new corporate campus on 8.5 acres on the Flats' east bank.

 

Confirmation of Eaton's interest in remaining downtown came in a letter from Port President Adam Wasserman to the company's chief executive officer, Alexander M. Cutler. The Plain Dealer obtained the letter Wednesday.

 

More at http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/02/eaton_corp_port_to_begin_talks.html

 

well i hope things move fast and i hope this works out it sounds promising

This is huge news and, given its complexity, I'm not sure how I feel about it yet. My initial reaction, however, is that Eaton and Port Authority should follow, as closely as possible, either the city's lakefront masterplan for this area or even Stark's vision for it. Both are pretty close in their general concepts. But this better not be a suburbanized corporate park for the lakefront. I will be absolutely furious if this happens.

Even if it is a suburbanized corporate park at least they would be staying downtown and not moving to the burbs.

If Eaton is set on building inside the RTA loop north of the RR tracks, how will it connect to the rest of the FEB (besides RTA)? Will grade crossings be built or something else? It just seems to me that although it will be in the FEB, it will be pretty much cut-off from anything else built down there. I'm just dying to see some updated renderings, just like the rest of you. :wtf:

Clevelander, If that's the mediocrity we would have to accept, then I'd rather not have the friggin Eaton Corp in the city. Development style for the lakefront IS THAT IMPORTANT. With a suburban style corporate park, we lose opportunities for having public venues on the lakefront. Who's going to want to visit a corporate park on the lakefront?? We need more public access to the lakefront, not less. That's especially true for the downtown lakefront -- as downtown belongs to the entire city. This city has so little public access to the waterfront, it's no wonder Greater Clevelanders take Lake Erie for granted and don't appreciate its importance. If a corporate park is built on the lakefront, then I will be there to tear it down brick by brick.