And you don't have work around existing utilities, buildings or vehicular/pedestrian traffic. The city basically marked off that corner of downtown and said to Wolstein: "Here. It's all yours."

I tailgated yesterday on the edge of the excavations, that was my first time seeing the construction up close and in person, the scale is pretty spectactular. There were a couple of guys down there working, it looked like they came out to see how sloppy the site was after all of the rain.

I'd still like for the Hulett's to be incorporated somehow in that area's future.  I believe there is one slumbering over there somewhere (along west bank)

^they've been trying to raise money to get those moved and set up for quite some time (I believe they want to put them in North Coast Harbour)... and I think they need like $1m to get it done or something outrageous.

^they've been trying to raise money to get those moved and set up for quite some time (I believe they want to put them in North Coast Harbour)... and I think they need like $1m to get it done or something outrageous.

Up to $6 Million http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/05/whatever_happened_to_the_hulet.html

 

The silos are relatively new - maybe 10 years old, give or take.

Perhaps this is where Cleveland Public Art should step in.

 

I didn't realize they were that new. Regardless, they are not a pretty sight by any stretch of the imagination, and if they aren't removed, I agree that some form of modification, makeover, or artwork could make them look nicer. For that matter even if they are removed, I think that the mouth of the river would be a great spot for a large/iconic piece of public artwork.

The Cuyahoga river is still a working river, not all sights are going to be pretty. The silos, though uneappealing to the eye, adds visual interest to the river. The river and lake are inheriently boring to look at. Its the activity of boats on these waterways that makes them interesting. So long as the concrete silos are there, there will be boats there.

 

They aren't worth fussing with, move them when the port leaves, and that segment of the river ceases to be a working part of the river. They just arent worth the big fuss right now.

Please direct your comments and other messages regarding the possible Eaton Corp. move from downtown Cleveland to the following thread....

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,17327.0.html

 

It's obviously a very emotional subject with a lot of comments likely to follow, so let's keep this discussion here focused on the Flats East Bank project.

 

And if Eaton Corp. really is moving from downtown, then the other thread will be the place to discuss that construction project (as much as it might hurt!).

according to a press realease from the wolstein group it looks like they have inquires about companies outside Ohio wanting to move to the flats. That is interesting.

Can you post the press release so we can all salivate over it together?

Looks like i know what ill be doing before going to bed tonight

Um....  never mind.

Flats Response To Eaton Move

 

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/09/flats-east-bank-statement.pdf

Flats Response To Eaton Move

 

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/09/flats-east-bank-statement.pdf

 

Thanks for posting...there's our "press release"!

 

I'm mostly impressed on how fast of a response this was.

I just fixed the image so it shows the press release without clicking it :)

Looking forward to some good news - even if it's smaller companies, new blood is great. 

:clap:

"inquiries from outside Ohio"

 

I sure wish that meant signed leases from companies outside Ohio.

Good, lets snake some companies from other cities.

Good, lets snake some companies from other cities.

 

We need some robinhood action around here.

"inquiries from outside Ohio"

 

I sure wish that meant signed leases from companies outside Ohio.

They have said this before so this isn't new but in light of recent events, I'll take it.

mmmmm... retailers...

I spoke to Lesic a little while ago on an unrelated matter and asked her about the interest in FEB office space from outside interests. She said the interest is coming from outside Ohio as well as from suburban Cleveland office tenants. No leases yet, though.

I would love to rip business from the burbs. 

My preferred perch was taken out of commission by the drillers on the right:

 

 

 

Thanks for the updates MayDay

 

Do we have some engineers that can speak to what the steel anchored to the wall is all about?

...wow.

what the heck is that pattern in the wall they're drilling through?

The beginning of FEB from above (from Mayday's photo thread):

http://www.clevelandskyscrapers.com/phx08/phx08_36.jpg

Thanks for the updates MayDay

 

Do we have some engineers that can speak to what the steel anchored to the wall is all about?

 

The steel anchored into the wall is be used as a tieback into the soil behind the wall.  If you look closely at the steel, there are two blots flush with the steel.  Those bolts are threaded around anchor bolts that extend into the soil behind the wall and help in supporting the entire retaining wall. 

Quote: I would love to rip business from the burbs.

 

Hell yeah, Independence you are target numero uno... followed closely by Beachwood...  haha

Thanks for the updates MayDay

 

Do we have some engineers that can speak to what the steel anchored to the wall is all about?

 

 

The steel anchored into the wall is be used as a tieback into the soil behind the wall.  If you look closely at the steel, there are two blots flush with the steel.  Those bolts are threaded around anchor bolts that extend into the soil behind the wall and help in supporting the entire retaining wall. 

 

Thanks gotribe. If I can tap your knowledge a little more; does this mean there is no concrete on the other side just soil? I think what I'm referring to is called a secant wall or slurry wall but since I don't know the difference I'm probably way off.

Thanks for the updates MayDay

 

Do we have some engineers that can speak to what the steel anchored to the wall is all about?

 

 

The steel anchored into the wall is be used as a tieback into the soil behind the wall. If you look closely at the steel, there are two blots flush with the steel. Those bolts are threaded around anchor bolts that extend into the soil behind the wall and help in supporting the entire retaining wall.

 

Thanks gotribe. If I can tap your knowledge a little more; does this mean there is no concrete on the other side just soil? I think what I'm referring to is called a secant wall or slurry wall but since I don't know the difference I'm probably way off.

 

Yeah, there should just be soil on the other side of the wall.  The pile they drove in to the ground was auger cast I do believe, and therefore, the pile is basically surrounded by a "flowable fill" concrete. 

^^Thanks again, it's great to have knowledgeable people on this forum.

So then this wall is clearly not form work for a so called "bathtub". That I believe would be constructed below the level they are now correct? I ask because if they are making such a fuss about dealing with water issues if they choose the current mall site for the CC, wouldn't water remediation be far more difficult for this tower? 

^^Thanks again, it's great to have knowledgeable people on this forum.

So then this wall is clearly not form work for a so called "bathtub". That I believe would be constructed below the level they are now correct? I ask because if they are making such a fuss about dealing with water issues if they choose the current mall site for the CC, wouldn't water remediation be far more difficult for this tower?

 

Well, I believe they are going to handle the water issue before it gets to the elevation of this wall.  I believe that is what the core drilling of the concrete wall above the new retaining wall is for.  Typically, they will drill into the retaining wall to allow water to flow along the natural contour that it has for years, divert it to sumps at low points of the site and pump it off site. 

^^Thanks again, it's great to have knowledgeable people on this forum.

So then this wall is clearly not form work for a so called "bathtub". That I believe would be constructed below the level they are now correct? I ask because if they are making such a fuss about dealing with water issues if they choose the current mall site for the CC, wouldn't water remediation be far more difficult for this tower? 

 

Well, I believe they are going to handle the water issue before it gets to the elevation of this wall.  I believe that is what the core drilling of the concrete wall above the new retaining wall is for.  Typically, they will drill into the retaining wall to allow water to flow along the natural contour that it has for years, divert it to sumps at low points of the site and pump it off site. 

 

Much appreciated. :wave:

Go tribe has covered most of this but I can confirm that those walls are made of timbers holding back the soil behind, there is no concrete.

New pics:

 

Awesome.  What's up with the fancy concrete retaining wall patterns?  I guess that wall is going to remain visible upon completion?

Awesome. What's up with the fancy concrete retaining wall patterns? I guess that wall is going to remain visible upon completion?

I'm pretty sure that retaining wall isn't new for this project.

Planner for Building Cleveland by Design tackles the Flats

by Steven Litt / Plain Dealer Architecture Critic

Friday September 26, 2008, 4:08 PM

 

Chris Stephens/The Plain Dealer

Justin Glanville: Back to make (green) waves in his native Northeast Ohio.

 

TASTE MAKER

Justin Glanville, one of the newest voices in urban development in Cleveland, has landed himself in the middle of an old-fashioned range war of sorts. It's exactly where he wants to be.

 

Since 2007, he's been project director of Building Cleveland by Design, a new nonprofit organization whose mission is to advocate environmentally friendly construction and development. Glanville's first focus is the Flats, one of the toughest neighborhoods in town.

 

More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com

Congrats to one of UrbanOhio's own!

Is he on UO?

Is he on UO?

 

He's a fairly active member that's been on here for a while. No need to blow his cover though.

I know, it's such a secret!  8-)

 

Seriously, congrats on getting some good ink.

So does this mean we can get renderings of the buildings quicker?  :)

Keep up the good work Justin... whoever you are!

 

Quick question regarding the Flats projects both East and West... are there any plans for a pedestrian bridge or two?  I was thinking to myself what needed to be included in the Flats projects to create a successful, possibly more family friendly environment.  On the short list is easy access to parks/open space.  Wendy park is great and is basically in the Flats but cannot be easily accessed... to my knowledge you cannot access it without getting on the shoreway.  A pedestrian bridge added to the side of the rail bridge at the mouth of the Cuyahoga along with a bridge over the rails would create easy access to the park for the residents of the Flats.  Also, a pedestrian bridge added to the underbelly of the main ave. bridge seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

Anything like this in the works?

A pedestrian bridge added to the side of the rail bridge at the mouth of the Cuyahoga along with a bridge over the rails would create easy access to the park for the residents of the Flats.

 

Norfolk Southern Corp. has rejected adding any pedestrian walkway to their lift bridge at the mouth of the Cuyahoga. The reason is the vibration and possibility of loose items coming off the 80+ trains per day which cross the bridge at speeds of up to 50 mph. Not a good combination.

 

A pedestrian bridge over the lakefront tracks has been discussed, but nothing serious right now.

 

  Also, a pedestrian bridge added to the underbelly of the main ave. bridge seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

Anything like this in the works?

 

There was a proposal maybe 10 years ago of stringing a cable-car (aerial tramway?) into the underside of the Main Avenue bridge. Then there was an idea of having pedestrian underdeck to the same bridge with elevators/stairs to the ground. Funding never was found for either of these.

Keep up the good work Justin... whoever you are!

 

Quick question regarding the Flats projects both East and West... are there any plans for a pedestrian bridge or two? I was thinking to myself what needed to be included in the Flats projects to create a successful, possibly more family friendly environment. On the short list is easy access to parks/open space. Wendy park is great and is basically in the Flats but cannot be easily accessed... to my knowledge you cannot access it without getting on the shoreway. A pedestrian bridge added to the side of the rail bridge at the mouth of the Cuyahoga along with a bridge over the rails would create easy access to the park for the residents of the Flats. Also, a pedestrian bridge added to the underbelly of the main ave. bridge seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

Anything like this in the works?

 

There are a lot of ideas in the mix. There are some very smart people thinking about these things and working to connect the right dots--things take time. From what I've seen, there are many ideas that are completely new and fresh to Cleveland and the Flats. Good things take time--I think Cleveland will be a much better place because Building Cleveland by Design's work.

A floating swing bridge would probably be the most cost effective, efficient, and interesting solution to the Wendy Park access.

What kind of value do developers put on proximity to parks?  I would assume that a pedestrian bridge to Wendy Park would add some value to the Flats West Bank, but I have no way of quantifying this.  It would certainly make the area more attractive to families, but do they need to appease this market to be successful?  Probably not...

 

I've also thought that a floating swing bridge would be the most cost effective solution, but I don't think I would put one at the mouth of the Cuyahoga.  With the amount of boat traffic in the summer it would never be open to peds!  That solution would probably make more sense upstream... closer to the main ave. bridge.