Buildings are usually shorter than their cranes, otherwise what would the point of a crane be?

Buildings are usually shorter than their cranes, otherwise what would the point of a crane be?

 

Yeah, but you can see at least 100 feet of the crane in that photo.  I doubt the crane is that much taller than the building will be.  Besides, I would have to think it's going to grow as the building rises.  I was just by there today and there's no way the cranes are reaching 400 feet into the air at this point.  This building is going to be almost as tall as the Federal Courthouse, isn't it?

Buildings are usually shorter than their cranes, otherwise what would the point of a crane be?

 

Yeah, but you can see at least 100 feet of the crane in that photo.  I doubt the crane is that much taller than the building will be.  Besides, I would have to think it's going to grow as the building rises.  I was just by there today and there's no way the cranes are reaching 400 feet into the air at this point.  This building is going to be almost as tall as the Federal Courthouse, isn't it?

 

I don't know the exact finished height but I assume this building will be at least 100 feet shorter than the Federal Courthouse.

The courthouse building is 23 floors (aprox 430 feet) and the last thing I remember reading is that the E&Y tower was going to have 21 floors (18 office and 3 parking floors).  But I suppose that we'd need to factor in that the E&Y tower will be starting out from a lower point because it'll be down in the Flats.  So eventhough it's only 2 floors shorter it might appear to be a lot shorter than the courthouse.

"Buildings are usually shorter than their cranes, otherwise what would the point of a crane be?"

 

What I'm saying is, sometimes (usually with *much* taller structures) the tower crane will be constructed to build the lower part of the building, then "jumped" up to complete the next section. I doubt that'll be the case here, but it's common with taller skyscraper construction.

 

"This building is going to be almost as tall as the Federal Courthouse, isn't it?"

 

I wish that was the case but I highly doubt it - having been in the courthouse tower during a construction tour, the ceilings in the courtrooms are substantially higher than typical office floors. With 18 office floors and 3 parking floors, the E&Y building will likely be in the 250'-300' range. Depending on how tall the antenna/spires are, they might add something but I wouldn't hold my breath. Whatever the case, seeing the crane from the inbound west Shoreway - from certain angles it will do a nice job of filling the gap in the skyline between North Point Tower and the northern East 9th cluster. As dar124 mentioned, because the building site is substantially lower than the rest of downtown, it's not going to have as much of an impact from say - views from the southeast.

 

From today, from the Innerbelt with the cellphone camera (I promise this weekend I'll take shots with the DSLR). You can see the tower crane to the lower left of the Federal Courthouse Tower - like I said, that elevation plays a big part:

Isn't the height of the Courthouse measured from the river level since the back goes down below Huron (which is a bridge at that point)?  I would think the base is at nearly the same elevation as that of the new tower.

That tower crane is very distracting while trying race other sports cars on the Shoreway at 80+ mph

Oh pish, I was only going 70 ;-)

From today, from the Innerbelt with the cellphone camera (I promise this weekend I'll take shots with the DSLR). You can see the tower crane to the lower left of the Federal Courthouse Tower - like I said, that elevation plays a big part:

 

Yeah, but so does perspective, haha.

Oh pish, I was only going 70 ;-)

 

That's why you lost. 

Looks like she's ready to rock and roll!

 

That is an AWESOME shot!!!

Thanks MayDay.  Great shot!!

Thanks guys - that was with the cellphone, so I'm hoping to get something with the DSLR this weekend. I've had to find further away spots now that the crane is up. The parking lot I used to use and standing by the fence on Main Avenue are too close to get everything in one shot.

Boy does that thing look frail -- like I could knock it over with a sneeze.

So the tower crane is sitting at approximatley 380'.  Therefore, my guess is the building will be about 340'.  I would have to say that is about the height of North Point.  I'm sure someone here can correct me if I'm wrong.  Obviously, it won't be visible or imposing on all sides of the skyline views.  From the shoreway, and Gold Coast (KJP) it should be nice.  Similar to how Crittendon is.  I can still remember that tower crane in the mid 90's from the Powerhouse!

Nice shot!!

 

For a few weeks now, I thought this thread should be named CRANEWATCH 2011.

^^North Point is 286 feet - just curious how do you calculate 340'? I'd love to see it that tall, but the numbers of 18 office floors, 3 parking floors just don't add up to 340 from what I can tell.

I'd guess somewhere in the 250 to 270 feet range. And that would be including any needle on top that cheats the total height. I'd be willing to guess that the crane is 300 feet or slightly higher, so we won't have the same views of the building that we have of the crane.

I could get used to seeing this up for a couple years.

 

I'd guess somewhere in the 250 to 270 feet range. And that would be including any needle on top that cheats the total height. I'd be willing to guess that the crane is 300 feet or slightly higher, so we won't have the same views of the building that we have of the crane.

 

There won't be a needle on this building. It's a flat top. Or are you considering the antennas shown in images like this?

 

Yeah, I guess I was mistaking the antennas for a needle.

^^North Point is 286 feet - just curious how do you calculate 340'? I'd love to see it that tall, but the numbers of 18 office floors, 3 parking floors just don't add up to 340 from what I can tell.

 

You are right MayDay.  I was unclear on the exact floor count.  Typically, there is roughly 40' to 50' of clearence for the crane to the top of the building. 

^How are you guestimating the crane's height?

380'

 

http://www.flatseast.com/documents/press-releases/Cleveland-Skyline-gets-big-addition-to-aid-new-construction-in-the-Flats.pdf

Thank you and welcome to the forum!

Could see that bad boy from Whiskey Island today. Looked good!

I could get used to seeing this up for a couple years.

 

 

You and me both - great photo :-)

Hello all,

 

Introducing myself to the group as I am a first time poster. I'm pretty familiar with the crane on this project.  :wink: It is presently at 280' and will eventually climb to ~380'.

Hi pops, thanks for the photo! And welcome to UrbanOhio. Please keep us apprised on this project. As you can see, there is a great deal of interest in it here.

Welcome pops!  :clap: :wave:

 

Thanks for the photos.  Feel free to post more pictures anytime.

Fantastic shots!!! Welcome to UrbanOhio!

Just curious, is the 280 feet to the horizontal boom or to the top?

 

Also, from image #17 from the image gallery on the Flats East website, the building has 3 garage floors, then 18 floors of offices, and then another mechanical floor.  The mechanical floor is really equivalent to 2 stories, so in my mind, there are 20 stories plus 3 floors of garage space.

 

Based on this and the information about the height of the tower crane, I conservatively think this building is going to be about 330 feet to the top of the spires.  This will make it the 15th tallest in Cleveland.  Currently, the 15th tallest is the Mariott hotel at 319 feet.

 

http://www.flatseast.com/image-gallery/index.htm

 

 

I'd guess somewhere in the 250 to 270 feet range. And that would be including any needle on top that cheats the total height. I'd be willing to guess that the crane is 300 feet or slightly higher, so we won't have the same views of the building that we have of the crane.

 

^ parking floors aren't a cheat?  :wink:

 

but speaking of cheats, someone correct me but i am pretty sure antennas, needles, spires, rooftop mechanicals, etc. count in the total height. some people consider highest occupied floor -- apples n oranges to me both have their height merits.

 

* sooo excellent to be having these discussions for cle now instead of just about other cities innit?!!!  :clap: *

 

 

 

There are four different ways to define a building's height:

 

http://www.ctbuh.org/TallBuildings/HeightStatistics/Criteria/tabid/446/language/en-US/Default.aspx

I'd guess somewhere in the 250 to 270 feet range. And that would be including any needle on top that cheats the total height. I'd be willing to guess that the crane is 300 feet or slightly higher, so we won't have the same views of the building that we have of the crane.

 

^ parking floors aren't a cheat?  :wink:

 

but speaking of cheats, someone correct me but i am pretty sure antennas, needles, spires, rooftop mechanicals, etc. count in the total height. some people consider highest occupied floor -- apples n oranges to me both have their height merits.

 

* sooo excellent to be having these discussions for cle now instead of just about other cities innit?!!!  :clap: *

 

Personally I don't care how tall it is or how tall they officially say it is. All I was saying is that when a building uses a needle to add a little extra height it seems like nothing more than just a way to stretch it out a little. Like standing on your tippy toes when being measured. As for parking garage floors, I wouldn't say that would be cheating because it adds height to the building. But it's not something I'm really interested in arguing about.

well adding parking is a chicagoesque style cheat, but it is certainly open to debate if it is really a cheat or not as it does add real height.

 

and according to the website above, a full spire counts, yet an antenna does not. thats another rather oddly delineated cheat, but there it is. again open to opinions.

 

anyway, in this case the building looks to be slightly shorter than some may have thought as the non-spire antenna does not count. a minor detail, but since height was in question i suppose just it's for the record.

 

 

Even if it was 100' I wouldn't care.....it's new construction in an area that is dead right now.

You can definitely the crane coming in from the West Shoreway!  You practically run right into it!

I'm too freaking ecstatic to care about minor details.

 

Is it 2013 yet!?

It's not 2013 yet, but these photos will have to do:

 

From the patio at the Harp:

 

 

And from Cliff Drive:

 

It cracks me up how giddy we all are about ONLY a crane for crying out loud.  Just wait until we see steel and the building rising.

Anyone who can't check the skyline each day will be flocking to UO each day to look for photo updates as if they are waiting to

see how high the presents are under the tree crane.  :-)

we aren't the only ones getting giddy

 

 

the pd gets their stories from UO and UO gets their news from cleveland.com.  That's what i call a vicious circle.

Interesting note on the front page story...."stands 280' now but will eventually attach itself to the office building and grow to 380' "

So visualize another 50 feet above the current crane height and that should be the approx. building height.

Interesting note on the front page story...."stands 280' now but will eventually attach itself to the office building and grow to 380' "

So visualize another 50 feet above the current crane height and that should be the approx. building height.

 

Someone brought that up earlier in the thread. But it was also said that the crane will probably be a good 30 to 50 feet taller than the actual building height. With that said the final height will probably be in the 330 to 350 range.

Per their PR person who relayed the information from Gilbane (construction company) - "293' above level 4 which is considered ground level." So yep, around 330-350 :-)

How far below the level of Public Square is the base of the building?  I would guess that "Ground Level" at Level 4 would be just about the level of most of downtown, meaning the building will rise to about the height of a 300' building around Public Square, meaning it should be very visible from most angles.

Here is the view standing on Public Square

Looks as though the Pinnacle will block most of the building from that vantage point, and if not the huge new skyscaper on the Jacobs property on Public Square will.  :wink: