Not sure if these have been posted before, but I was just plugging in sequential numbers to some of the image urls on the flasteast.com website and came across a couple renderings I hadn't seen anywhere before:

 

 

Looks rather out of place for a building of that type. 

 

There's a ton of room for new growth around there, and I'm not sure the existing look of the District can be replicated. I think the Pinnacle compliments the warehouses. And for the most part I think this new building will be complimentary as well. 

Not sure if these have been posted before, but I was just plugging in sequential numbers to some of the image urls on the flasteast.com website and came across a couple renderings I hadn't seen anywhere before:

 

 

Looks rather out of place for a building of that type. 

 

There's a ton of room for new growth around there, and I'm not sure the existing look of the District can be replicated. I think the Pinnacle compliments the warehouses. And for the most part I think this new building will be complimentary as well. 

 

Yeah it looks just a bit too ordinary (and odd) poping up from the hill from down there.  If it couldnt be something replicating what is around it, it should have been something more contemporary, not what they are doing, which I think is too "E. 9th street" looking for that spot. 

There's another couple floors of steel being installed up top and another row of glass along the bottom.  It's looking better each day.  :clap: :clap:

 

 

http://www.flatseast.com/webcam.htm

I noticed that the core is now just barely peeking over the right side of the Pinnacle building if you are walking west on Euclid in front of the May Company on Public Square.

5/6/12

5/6/12

Where was this shot at and will this actually be a presence in the skyline or is the elevation to low to stand out?

there is a lot of facade going up now - could someone go down there and get us a few closeups plz?? thx!

5/6/12

Where was this shot at and will this actually be a presence in the skyline or is the elevation to low to stand out?

 

It's a presence in the skyline from the west side, a little bit on the south side, but you can't see the building from the east side. I think this shot was taken from the shoreline at Edgewater Park.

 

And that sure is a lot of ore at the C&P Dock on Whiskey Island! Times must be getting better in the steel industry.

It will definetely have a profile when heading into the city from the east Shoreway.  Also, when viewed from Woodland/Woodhill area, the crane looks massive behind the Terminal tower and AT&T Building.  Could be an interesting shot.

5/6/12

Where was this shot at and will this actually be a presence in the skyline or is the elevation to low to stand out?

 

It's a presence in the skyline from the west side, a little bit on the south side, but you can't see the building from the east side. I think this shot was taken from the shoreline at Edgewater Park.

 

And that sure is a lot of ore at the C&P Dock on Whiskey Island! Times must be getting better in the steel industry.

 

I disagree. I see this building every morning on my way in along the East Shoreway. It will look even more impressive once it has a skin on it.

I agree with JeTDoG. I see it on my way home every afternoon. I can't imagine what it may look like in the morning wit the sun rising, but the afternoon/early evening sun creates a nice contrast in in dark/light in that section of the skyline

That's true. The building is pretty far north so it would be seen from the East Shoreway. Sorry, I forgot there was an eastern counterpart to my Western Shoreway. :-D

A little of topic but Cleveland has a lot of boxy and bland highrises, it seems like Cleveland is afraid to think outside the box. I know this will be a box shape but I hope this building can add some "flavor" to our skyline.

Well, yes, it is a square building, but the roof top access and the 10-11 floor balcony are very unique. 

 

Roof top: 

Well, yes, it is a square building, but the roof top access and the 10-11 floor balcony are very unique. 

 

Roof top: 

Yes I know that part will be unique but you really can't deny that our skyline is missing that unique building that stands out like other cities have (Freedom Tower NYC, US Bank Tower LA, Willis Tower Chicago etc.). I don't know maybe I'm wanting to much from a city that is recovering and re-inventing itself but at the same time. I just want to see that one building that will make me say WOW

Well, yes, it is a square building, but the roof top access and the 10-11 floor balcony are very unique. 

 

Roof top: 

Yes I know that part will be unique but you really can't deny that our skyline is missing that unique building that stands out like other cities have (Freedom Tower NYC, US Bank Tower LA, Willis Tower Chicago etc.). I don't know maybe I'm wanting to much from a city that is recovering and re-inventing itself but at the same time. I just want to see that one building that will make me say WOW

 

We already have a unique building - Terminal Tower!  As I've said before, We don't need a super tall "iconic" building at this moment, "just because", our skyline "looks" a certain way or isn't as vast as some other cities.  Many cities with vast skylines now have empty buildings, buildings in foreclosure or are overbuilt and hard to lease.  See Atlanta, Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Charlotte, San Antonio.

 

If and when the available space (regardless of class) is above 80% and new businesses lease up space then I'm all for an appropriate building being built on Public Square or elsewhere.

 

Now lets get back to the Flats East Bank development and how nicely it's shaping.  ThankYouVeryMuch.

 

ETA:  Looks as though others agree.  Can we move this side conversation to another thread before it becomes a 4 page off topic discussion?

^I think Key Tower, or more Impressively the Terminal Tower do just fine in that regard.

Well, yes, it is a square building, but the roof top access and the 10-11 floor balcony are very unique. 

 

Roof top: 

Yes I know that part will be unique but you really can't deny that our skyline is missing that unique building that stands out like other cities have (Freedom Tower NYC, US Bank Tower LA, Willis Tower Chicago etc.). I don't know maybe I'm wanting to much from a city that is recovering and re-inventing itself but at the same time. I just want to see that one building that will make me say WOW

 

Well it doesn't make you say WOW. But I think in Cleveland it would be the Key tower, it is the tallest building in Ohio.

 

^I know it is subjective and a matter of personal taste, but what exactly is so unique or architectually stunning about Willis Tower.  For that matter Freedom Tower in NYC (actually didn't they drop that name and it is back to World Trade Center) is OK but not when compared to many other buildings in NYC.  Indeed San Fran. one of the greatest cities in the world, with a great built up skyline, has some of the most boring buildings in the US.

Okay I'm back on topic...So phase 2 only includes the apartment building and retail or what? If so will there be a phase 3 etc. to add more things down there or is that it, because that is a lot of land.

Phase 2 also includes Toby Keith's Bar & Grille

^I know it is subjective and a matter of personal taste, but what exactly is so unique or architectually stunning about Willis Tower.  For that matter Freedom Tower in NYC (actually didn't they drop that name and it is back to World Trade Center) is OK but not when compared to many other buildings in NYC.  Indeed San Fran. one of the greatest cities in the world, with a great built up skyline, has some of the most boring buildings in the US.

I find it funny that your UO rank is at Willis Tower but I like it because it is not just a "pencil" building (like people call key tower) it has different protruding sides which interest me, and One World Trade Center is unique to me because it looks like a glass building with a sort of twist to the shape and stands out to me

Phase 2 also includes Toby Keith's Bar & Grille

I know but I mean will any other structures be built beside the residential building? I know the original flats plan is out the window but if the plan ends at these two buildings that is a MAJOR downsize and kind of disappointing.

Debate over a new building's design is very much on topic. Continue.

Debate over a new building's design is very much on topic. Continue.

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Phase 2 also includes Toby Keith's Bar & Grille

I know but I mean will any other structures be built beside the residential building? I know the original flats plan is out the window but if the plan ends at these two buildings that is a MAJOR downsize and kind of disappointing.

 

Who said the original Flats plan is out the window?  They're phasing it it, they aren't shooting from the hip with a random set of buildings.

Sometimes unique architecture can make you say, “Wow!....  That’s bad!” 

 

 

A general box building doesn’t seem too bad.  There are no risk of creating Dead Rays building.  http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2010/10/another-death-ray-glare-building.html

 

I don't think the building looks boring:

 

 

And unique building usually come with those "engineering challanges" that cost time and money and end up wasting both. 

 

I really like the design and it is 100% better than the other major Wolstein building downtown (currently named US Bank Building on Playhouse Square) which really leaves much to be desired.

I don't know if there's research to back this, but it also seems like the more interesting the building, the less attention is paid to fitting into the general fabric of a neighborhood or applying general new urbanism structures. I know this is a stereotype, that the two aren't mutually exclusive and there's a counter-movement in the architecture community toward integrating the two, but experience suggests that "starchitecture" tends to stand alone on purpose, looking cool but creating activity vaccuums around it. All sorts of examples exist, but taking it to the extreme, look at starchitecture capitols like Brasilia or Rotterdam of what stand-out architecture can do to a city's urban fabric without stronger district-wide planning and design. I'd rather see our collective capital invested more broadly in buildings that fit into the kind of "stately" aesthetic of downtown, with lower design and construction costs that can be stretched over larger swaths of land, rather than architecture that tries to make a statement just for statement's sake.

^I don't think starchitecture is quite synonymous with adventurous design, and I don't think high concept design is inherently incompatible with traditional urban fabric, but that said, I'm good with this building.  I actually kind of like how the Aloft brand is expressed in the architectural flourishes of the hotel building.

 

As seen from Main Ave. hill...

 

 

I like the design as the building aesthetics are a lot better than the majority of Cleveland's Modernist, cereal box type mid-rise towers of the 60's and 70's. (Erieview, Federal DFAS, East Ohio, PNC etc.)  The building sort of has a typical KPF design look to it, which I like.

Wow a lot more than I thought was up. Thanks for the pictures!

I think this really fits in well what seems to be a common vernacular in Cleveland new construction the past several years ... lots of glass panels that appear to overlap or float opposite a relatively muted base material in beige and/or grey. Glass-to-base ratios vary, but it seems like this fits generally into the same design category as 515 Euclid, the Pinnacle, the Education building at CSU ...

I think this really fits in well what seems to be a common vernacular in Cleveland new construction the past several years ... lots of glass panels that appear to overlap or float opposite a relatively muted base material in beige and/or grey. Glass-to-base ratios vary, but it seems like this fits generally into the same design category as 515 Euclid, the Pinnacle, the Education building at CSU ...

 

"Relatively muted base material in beige and/or grey."  Not exactly a style to rally around... and I've seen very little of it in other cities.  But here we seem to have rolls and rolls and rolls of featureless, textureless "beige and/or grey" that we put on everything.

^ Didn't you hear? The city bought out a company that made beige and grey building materials back in the 80's. Ever since then we have been giving away the remaining supplies for free to any developer who builds in the city. :-P

I don't know how to quote people on here but McLovin I took the pic at Edgewater Park on the pier and yes it will have presence in the skyline!

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Sometimes unique architecture can make you say, “Wow!....  That’s bad!” 

 

 

A general box building doesn’t seem too bad.  There are no risk of creating Dead Rays building.  http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2010/10/another-death-ray-glare-building.html

 

I don't think the building looks boring:

 

 

And unique building usually come with those "engineering challanges" that cost time and money and end up wasting both.

That dead ray building also has a curve in it as well and is glass so its not a complete "cereal box" but the Ernst and Young tower is alright but not great it may look better when completed. I was just saying Cleveland has to many "cereal box" shaped buildings is all.

I don't know how to quote people on here but McLovin I took the pic at Edgewater Park on the pier and yes it will have presence in the skyline!

Thank you for doing that I'm glad it will because it will be good to see a new building in the skyline. (Haven't said that in a while)

 

As seen from Main Ave. hill...

 

 

As I said earlier I like the progress I see so far and the building may look better than I thought in the end

Wow that is some world class signage

Sometimes unique architecture can make you say, Wow!....  Thats bad! 

 

 

A general box building doesnt seem too bad.  There are no risk of creating Dead Rays building.  http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2010/10/another-death-ray-glare-building.html

 

I don't think the building looks boring:

 

 

And unique building usually come with those "engineering challanges" that cost time and money and end up wasting both.

That dead ray building also has a curve in it as well and is glass so its not a complete "cereal box" but the Ernst and Young tower is alright but not great it may look better when completed. I was just saying Cleveland has to many "cereal box" shaped buildings is all.

 

Not to kick a dead horse but to kick a dead horse.

 

Key Center

Terminal Tower

One Cleveland Center

SBC Building

ATT Building

Fifth Third

BP Building

US Bank Building

Eaton Center

North Point

Federal Courthouse

 

None of these are, to use your term "cereal boxes".  More troubling in my mind is that some of these buildings are not great architecture while some of the "cereal boxes" are somewhat good examples of international style (which are prevalent ALL OVER THE NATION given the building booms of the sixties and seventies)

Phase 2 also includes Toby Keith's Bar & Grille

I know but I mean will any other structures be built beside the residential building? I know the original flats plan is out the window but if the plan ends at these two buildings that is a MAJOR downsize and kind of disappointing.

 

Who said the original Flats plan is out the window?  They're phasing it it, they aren't shooting from the hip with a random set of buildings.

So the movie theater, clubs, etc. are in the plans still and we will see all of this built?

And This..

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/03/flats_project_grows_new_plans.html

Exactly as shown there?  Almost certainly not, but that's not how master plans ever work.  They constantly are adjusted to meet market demands and opportunities.  The general outline of the development is still very much consistent with that plan, however.

Exactly as shown there?  Almost certainly not, but that's not how master plans ever work.  They constantly are adjusted to meet market demands and opportunities.  The general outline of the development is still very much consistent with that plan, however.

I've always been confused about this...What exactly is included in Phase 1 and 2

Look up a few not-so-recent pages in this thread for that.

Sometimes unique architecture can make you say, “Wow!....  That’s bad!” 

 

 

A general box building doesn’t seem too bad.  There are no risk of creating Dead Rays building.  http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/theskyline/2010/10/another-death-ray-glare-building.html

 

I don't think the building looks boring:

 

 

And unique building usually come with those "engineering challanges" that cost time and money and end up wasting both.

That dead ray building also has a curve in it as well and is glass so its not a complete "cereal box" but the Ernst and Young tower is alright but not great it may look better when completed. I was just saying Cleveland has to many "cereal box" shaped buildings is all.

 

Not to kick a dead horse but to kick a dead horse.

 

Key Center

Terminal Tower

One Cleveland Center

SBC Building

ATT Building

Fifth Third

BP Building

US Bank Building

Eaton Center

North Point

Federal Courthouse

 

None of these are, to use your term "cereal boxes".  More troubling in my mind is that some of these buildings are not great architecture while some of the "cereal boxes" are somewhat good examples of international style (which are prevalent ALL OVER THE NATION given the building booms of the sixties and seventies)

So do you think the old Ameritrust tower on 9th is good architecture, or what about the Tower at Erieview, or the 55 building, or the Key building on Superior because I don't. My issue wasn't with the design of the building but that Cleveland has so many of "cereal box" structures that it's kind boring. The Ernst and Young tower may be an exception to that because of the unique features and different mixture of materials than other buildings in Cleveland (Granite with windows such as Key Tower and Fifth Third Bank Building)

Phase I- the office tower and Aloft hotel on the block bounded by W. 10th/W.9th

 

Phase II- the curved apartment building, the two restaurant buildings along the boardwalk, a parking garage along the RR tracks, the Toby Keith restaurant (which will be along Front St.)

^Thank you, X. And with that - if forumers want to discuss the architectural merits of whatever city's highrises, they're welcome to do it in a separate thread in an appropriate section. This thread will be pruned of off-topic posts in the near future.