I've been wondering if the core has been topped off. And I think it has. Looking at the webcam this morning, they seem to be dismantling the structure around the top of the core.

So are just Ernst and Young, and Tucker Ellis moving into the tower or has any new office tenant signed on as well?

^ CB Richard Ellis has a floor as well.

^ CB Richard Ellis has a floor as well.

I forgot about them...anyone else?

I've always been confused about this...What exactly is included in Phase 1 and 2

 

cleveland.com has a site map of Phases 1 & 2: http://media.cleveland.com/business_impact/photo/13cgflatsjpg-163b32475325c6bc.jpg

 

I'm not sure if we have any definitive confirmations that every building shown on the map is getting built out in Phase 2 ... This might be a Phase 2a and 2b situation. Comparing the site map to the rendering you posted above, it looks like very little has changed in the way of building footprints, although there are some changes in use, and who knows if the heights, etc. will remain the same. In looking at the site plan and your renderings, it looks like the following buildings are not part of Phase 1 or Phase 2, presumably a third or fourth phase :) :

 

- Two residential towers (with ground-level retail) along the riverfront (End of Phase 2, shown as greenspace and if I'm looking correctly, a restaurant/entertainment space.

- Again, if I'm looking at it correctly, it looks like what was proposed for "residences over galleries and boutiques" is now sited for restaurant/entertainment and a parking garage to be done at the end of Phase 2.

- One-third of a residential block with courtyard in the middle. Unclear what this missing third would be at the end of Phase 2. The other two-thirds are still to be residential over retail and parking.

- Residences over neighborhood retail and 10-screen cinema (it looks like this was supposed to be the hotel site and where the hotel is going was to be residential?). Surface lot at the end of Phase 2.

- 27,000 sq. ft. gourmet market. Surface lot at the end of Phase 2.

- Second office complex, what was proposed at the Eaton headquarters. Not part of the FEB project at all, so remains undeveloped at end of Phase 2.

 

So a lot of development to still do if it's to look like what was initially proposed. BUT ... We do end Phase 2 with 18 stories of offices over structured parking, a 150-room hotel and several street-level restaurants, 140 apartments over structured parking and riverside retail, plus what looks to be 6 stand-alone entertainment venues/restaurants/other (a couple stand-alones are unlabeled but are listed as being part of Phase 2). So, honestly, if Phase 2 goes as planned, they'll have accomplished a LOT. My concerns are not about how much they're getting done - This seems like a very reasonable amount of in-fill - My concerns are how spread out these developments are. This would be a very impressive amount of in-fill if it was all adjacent to each other, but as is, the apartments are separated from the office and hotel by a wide swath of surface parking (and then the Waterfront line). The stand-alone buildings are all separated from each other by 100 to 200 feet of greenspace, with a couple also separated visually by the Detroit Superior Bridge overhead. Doing good work, and I like the look of it so far ... Just wish they were marshaling their 23-acre site a little more effectively.

 

I wish Phase 2 was developing the parcel adjacent to the hotel, incorporating as many of the restaurants/entertainment venues/retail into the ground floor and leave the "beach" that was proposed along the riverfront until you're ready for more residential in-fill in Phase 3. Once you've finished all your big buildings and built up a bit of an urban grid, THEN explore stand-alone buildings if needed :)

More work is planned along the riverfront but new headwall needs poured all along the edge of the Cuyahoga before that work is done.  I believe there is outside funding in some type of federal grant for that work and they are waiting on it to come available before starting the other work (buildings)

I've always been confused about this...What exactly is included in Phase 1 and 2

 

cleveland.com has a site map of Phases 1 & 2: http://media.cleveland.com/business_impact/photo/13cgflatsjpg-163b32475325c6bc.jpg

 

I'm not sure if we have any definitive confirmations that every building shown on the map is getting built out in Phase 2 ... This might be a Phase 2a and 2b situation. Comparing the site map to the rendering you posted above, it looks like very little has changed in the way of building footprints, although there are some changes in use, and who knows if the heights, etc. will remain the same. In looking at the site plan and your renderings, it looks like the following buildings are not part of Phase 1 or Phase 2, presumably a third or fourth phase :) :

 

- Two residential towers (with ground-level retail) along the riverfront (End of Phase 2, shown as greenspace and if I'm looking correctly, a restaurant/entertainment space.

- Again, if I'm looking at it correctly, it looks like what was proposed for "residences over galleries and boutiques" is now sited for restaurant/entertainment and a parking garage to be done at the end of Phase 2.

- One-third of a residential block with courtyard in the middle. Unclear what this missing third would be at the end of Phase 2. The other two-thirds are still to be residential over retail and parking.

- Residences over neighborhood retail and 10-screen cinema (it looks like this was supposed to be the hotel site and where the hotel is going was to be residential?). Surface lot at the end of Phase 2.

- 27,000 sq. ft. gourmet market. Surface lot at the end of Phase 2.

- Second office complex, what was proposed at the Eaton headquarters. Not part of the FEB project at all, so remains undeveloped at end of Phase 2.

 

So a lot of development to still do if it's to look like what was initially proposed. BUT ... We do end Phase 2 with 18 stories of offices over structured parking, a 150-room hotel and several street-level restaurants, 140 apartments over structured parking and riverside retail, plus what looks to be 6 stand-alone entertainment venues/restaurants/other (a couple stand-alones are unlabeled but are listed as being part of Phase 2). So, honestly, if Phase 2 goes as planned, they'll have accomplished a LOT. My concerns are not about how much they're getting done - This seems like a very reasonable amount of in-fill - My concerns are how spread out these developments are. This would be a very impressive amount of in-fill if it was all adjacent to each other, but as is, the apartments are separated from the office and hotel by a wide swath of surface parking (and then the Waterfront line). The stand-alone buildings are all separated from each other by 100 to 200 feet of greenspace, with a couple also separated visually by the Detroit Superior Bridge overhead. Doing good work, and I like the look of it so far ... Just wish they were marshaling their 23-acre site a little more effectively.

 

I wish Phase 2 was developing the parcel adjacent to the hotel, incorporating as many of the restaurants/entertainment venues/retail into the ground floor and leave the "beach" that was proposed along the riverfront until you're ready for more residential in-fill in Phase 3. Once you've finished all your big buildings and built up a bit of an urban grid, THEN explore stand-alone buildings if needed :)

Thank You I greatly appreciate that and I'm glad that a considerable amount will be done I thought it was just two buildings and that's all glad to see more is planned for the future.

Here's another update from the FEB webcam.

 

Looks like they've started on another row of the facade!!!  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

 

 

 

http://www.flatseast.com/webcam.htm

The concrete core is topped out & the orange formwork is being removed.  I saw a huge piece of steel being flown up as I drove by today on the Shoreway.

Facade addicts.....

Ernst & Young Tower as seen from W.Lakeside:

Some photos from Monday ...

 

Cant wait to see this building finished.

I'm liking the materials and colors.

Ditto. It looks better than it does in the renderings.

BTW, I came into downtown on the East Shoreway today (after I got my visitors visa) and whoever said that thing stands out big time from that viewpoint was 100% right.

I've always been confused about this...What exactly is included in Phase 1 and 2

 

cleveland.com has a site map of Phases 1 & 2: http://media.cleveland.com/business_impact/photo/13cgflatsjpg-163b32475325c6bc.jpg

 

I'm not sure if we have any definitive confirmations that every building shown on the map is getting built out in Phase 2 ... This might be a Phase 2a and 2b situation. Comparing the site map to the rendering you posted above, it looks like very little has changed in the way of building footprints, although there are some changes in use, and who knows if the heights, etc. will remain the same. In looking at the site plan and your renderings, it looks like the following buildings are not part of Phase 1 or Phase 2, presumably a third or fourth phase :) :

 

- Two residential towers (with ground-level retail) along the riverfront (End of Phase 2, shown as greenspace and if I'm looking correctly, a restaurant/entertainment space.

- Again, if I'm looking at it correctly, it looks like what was proposed for "residences over galleries and boutiques" is now sited for restaurant/entertainment and a parking garage to be done at the end of Phase 2.

- One-third of a residential block with courtyard in the middle. Unclear what this missing third would be at the end of Phase 2. The other two-thirds are still to be residential over retail and parking.

- Residences over neighborhood retail and 10-screen cinema (it looks like this was supposed to be the hotel site and where the hotel is going was to be residential?). Surface lot at the end of Phase 2.

- 27,000 sq. ft. gourmet market. Surface lot at the end of Phase 2.

- Second office complex, what was proposed at the Eaton headquarters. Not part of the FEB project at all, so remains undeveloped at end of Phase 2.

 

So a lot of development to still do if it's to look like what was initially proposed. BUT ... We do end Phase 2 with 18 stories of offices over structured parking, a 150-room hotel and several street-level restaurants, 140 apartments over structured parking and riverside retail, plus what looks to be 6 stand-alone entertainment venues/restaurants/other (a couple stand-alones are unlabeled but are listed as being part of Phase 2). So, honestly, if Phase 2 goes as planned, they'll have accomplished a LOT. My concerns are not about how much they're getting done - This seems like a very reasonable amount of in-fill - My concerns are how spread out these developments are. This would be a very impressive amount of in-fill if it was all adjacent to each other, but as is, the apartments are separated from the office and hotel by a wide swath of surface parking (and then the Waterfront line). The stand-alone buildings are all separated from each other by 100 to 200 feet of greenspace, with a couple also separated visually by the Detroit Superior Bridge overhead. Doing good work, and I like the look of it so far ... Just wish they were marshaling their 23-acre site a little more effectively.

 

I wish Phase 2 was developing the parcel adjacent to the hotel, incorporating as many of the restaurants/entertainment venues/retail into the ground floor and leave the "beach" that was proposed along the riverfront until you're ready for more residential in-fill in Phase 3. Once you've finished all your big buildings and built up a bit of an urban grid, THEN explore stand-alone buildings if needed :)

 

So, at this moment, Phase II is still an "if"?

Phase II is definitely going to happen

 

Everything is an if until its built. Especially in today's lending environment.

Everything is an if until its built. Especially in today's lending environment.

 

That's what I thought.  I know Wolstein's stated what he wants and plans for in Phase II, but...

BTW, I came into downtown on the East Shoreway today (after I got my visitors visa) and whoever said that thing stands out big time from that viewpoint was 100% right.

 

Yep.

And I've been keeping a watch on when/where, while on the shoreway, the building first pops. I'm gonna say East 55th Street, right at that curve.

Interesting new development at the FEB:

^ My heart stopped momentarily because I thought the building was actually on fire.  Then the rest of the photo loaded.  Damn slow wireless...

Running at Edgewater today, i checked out the view.  It seems as if over near West BLVD at the upper part of the park, the building will fill in a small gap between financial district buildings.  The closer you get to the hill going down to the lower part, the building should fill in a nice gap between financial district and the building where Jones Day is, i forget the name.

Running at Edgewater today, i checked out the view.  It seems as if over near West BLVD at the upper part of the park, the building will fill in a small gap between financial district buildings.  The closer you get to the hill going down to the lower part, the building should fill in a nice gap between financial district and the building where Jones Day is, i forget the name.

 

Very much so.  They picked a perfect location to build it for the western view.

How much taller is it going to be? How has it topped off? Don't the have the mechanical floor and penthouse to do still?

^The elevator core is topped out.  They've dismantled the concrete frame/jig.  The skeleton may rise one floor above that, but I'm not sure.

From the Interbelt bridge:

I could clearly see this building coming up I-77 near Pershing.  It was to the left of the Stokes courthouse.  It was also visible from the 490 bridge.  It was not a huge presence on the skyline from I-77, but does extend the skyline westward.

From the West Bank of the Flats:

 

From Cliff Drive, west of Edgewater Park:

Those are a couple of really cool shots!!

Is this building as tall as the 55 building near public square?

That West Bank view is a great angle. That'll look pretty cool when E&Y and the hotel are done.

Is this building as tall as the 55 building near public square?

No the 55 Public Square Building is 22 stories, and the Ernst & Young Tower is 18 stories plus a mechanical floor and roof terrace.

Is this building as tall as the 55 building near public square?

No the 55 Public Square Building is 22 stories, and the Ernst & Young Tower is 18 stories plus a mechanical floor and roof terrace.

The number of floors doesn't matter.  The floor to floor heights vary a lot from one building to the next.  55 PS is 300ft and I believe this tower is higher than that at around 350ft?

Is this building as tall as the 55 building near public square?

No the 55 Public Square Building is 22 stories, and the Ernst & Young Tower is 18 stories plus a mechanical floor and roof terrace.

The number of floors doesn't matter.  The floor to floor heights vary a lot from one building to the next.  55 PS is 300ft and I believe this tower is higher than that at around 350ft?

True plus just counting sq. footage 55 Public Square is 430,000 sq.ft and Ernst & Young Tower is 450,000 sq.ft so it's larger in that aspect as well.

Is this building as tall as the 55 building near public square?

No the 55 Public Square Building is 22 stories, and the Ernst & Young Tower is 18 stories plus a mechanical floor and roof terrace.

The number of floors doesn't matter.  The floor to floor heights vary a lot from one building to the next.  55 PS is 300ft and I believe this tower is higher than that at around 350ft?

 

I am pretty sure it is actually shorter than 55 PS.  I certainly got that vibe walking past it compared to the 55 building.  This building is going to look nice, but just like the Cleveland skyline it can look deceiving from angles.  It looks kind of short and stubby from west 6th, but from Edgewater had a really nice impact on the skyline.

You also have to remember that the new building is built on the side of the hill down to the flats.  So the 3 garage floors are under the ground from the SouthEast side, but they are exposed on the NorthWest side.  From the northwest it will look like 22 floors.  19 above + 3 garage levels.

There is also an "Inner Belt / I-90" forum.  :-D

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2438.0.html

There is also an "Inner Belt / I-90" forum.  :-D

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2438.0.html

 

That's OK, many UrbanOhioans don't seem to know there's a transportation section here, or know what's in it.

 

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That's OK, many UrbanOhioans don't seem to know there's a transportation section here, or know what's in it.

 

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Yeah not a big deal, just figured that I'd post the link.

Does anyone know if the mechanical floor is going to be accessible by elevator? It looks like the elevator shafts have maybe topped out? And does anyone know if the penthouse will be on top of the mechanical floor?

Looking at the webcam, it appears there will be a floor above the topped out elevator shaft.  That doesn't make much sense to me, but ....

Looking at the webcam, it appears there will be a floor above the topped out elevator shaft.  That doesn't make much sense to me, but ....

 

Right. I'm surprised. Heading by this a.m. I actually thought today might be the last day for installing the steel beams.

Webcam shot

 

I'll bet that level shown above at the upper-right corner of the building is going to be the top. They don't seem to be adding to the elevator core anymore.

I'll bet that level shown above at the upper-right corner of the building is going to be the top. They don't seem to be adding to the elevator core anymore.

 

I agree, plus it looks like that level is a bit higher than the standard floors, which seems to jive with the top level of the building in the renderings.

Elevator core is done.  It was done a few weeks ago when they removed the orange sliding forms.

Just look for the pine tree. Then it will be done