Looks like we've got a little different angle now on the FEB webcam!!! 

 

http://www.flatseast.com/webcam.htm

Interesting. Note the window damage from Sandy.

I saw many of those windows plywood covered before Sandy.  At least those seen from the webcam.  I don't know why they are that way.  The lake side windows may have damage, but I can't see them from most normal day angles. 

As part of a budding recreation amenity, I can't decide if I hate the steel bulkhead because it's ugly, or if I love the steal bulkhead because it's raw and gritty.

Frankly I'd like to see closer access to the water than such a tall bulkhead provides.  Maybe something along the lines of the stepped Serpentine Wall along the Ohio River in Cincinnati.

http://mjhansonphotography.com/keyword/cincinnati/855725976_aksdx#!i=855725976&k=4s665PG

 

Here's another photo with higher river level.

http://www.ohioswallow.com/gallery/image/314

 

 

As part of a budding recreation amenity, I can't decide if I hate the steel bulkhead because it's ugly, or if I love the steal bulkhead because it's raw and gritty.

Love it or hate it, I'm sure the bulkhead will be reconstructed as part of the boardwalk going up.

Anyone know the rent per square footage for FEB? I ask because Intesa is asking for $36 Per sq. ft and got curious.

Anyone know the rent per square footage for FEB? I ask because Intesa is asking for $36 Per sq. ft and got curious.

 

Curious about what?  Are you thinking about comparing the price per square foot?  If so I don't think it would be accurate as these are two different markets.

He's still allowed to make comparisons. Chill bro.

He's still allowed to make comparisons. Chill bro.

 

I'm not saying he can't, not by any means, but comaparing to different markets and products is comparing apples to oranges.  Until he answers we wont know.

He's still allowed to make comparisons. Chill bro.

 

I'm not saying he can't, not by any means, but comaparing to different markets and products is comparing apples to oranges.  Until he answers we wont know.

I'm not comparing I'm just using Intesa because they had just released theirs and I also used it as an example so people clearly would understand what I'm talking about. I'm not comparing the two by any means, with Intesa releasing theirs it just got me curious about FEB numbers.

As part of a budding recreation amenity, I can't decide if I hate the steel bulkhead because it's ugly, or if I love the steal bulkhead because it's raw and gritty.

Love it or hate it, I'm sure the bulkhead will be reconstructed as part of the boardwalk going up.

 

i know what you mean strap, but its much more raw than gritty and it needs to go. this is going to take a lot of work if the future plans to build closer to the riverfront come to pass. actually rebuilding the bulkheads is my fav part of the feb project because it could allow for a boardwalk and could help support construction nearer to the water.

 

He's still allowed to make comparisons. Chill bro.

 

I'm not saying he can't, not by any means, but comaparing to different markets and products is comparing apples to oranges.  Until he answers we wont know.

I'm not comparing I'm just using Intesa because they had just released theirs and I also used it as an example so people clearly would understand what I'm talking about. I'm not comparing the two by any means, with Intesa releasing theirs it just got me curious about FEB numbers.

 

Thank you.

As part of a budding recreation amenity, I can't decide if I hate the steel bulkhead because it's ugly, or if I love the steal bulkhead because it's raw and gritty.

Love it or hate it, I'm sure the bulkhead will be reconstructed as part of the boardwalk going up.

i know what you mean strap, but its much more raw than gritty and it needs to go. this is going to take a lot of work if the future plans to build closer to the riverfront come to pass. actually rebuilding the bulkheads is my fav part of the feb project because it could allow for a boardwalk and could help support construction nearer to the water.

 

Agree. The Flats still need a major overhaul of infrastructure. In connection, there are still a plethora of aesthetic barriers to overcome for the hood to reach its potential imho.

Just to clarify, I believe the bulkhead is being reconstructed as part of this project, but I'm not sure the bulkhead style really determines the quality of the boardwalk or even the river edge from the FEB visitor's point of view.  I think it's primarily an aesthetic issue looking across from the other side of the river or from the water.  And an environmental/habitat issue.  Does anyone know what the new bulkheads will look like?  Will they be the sheet steel or something else, like stacked stone?

Some more hints at the eventual lighting scheme. From the cam, you can see the bottom of some of those 3-story vertical spikes are lit up (right side of the building near the top). I thought they looked to be lit up today around lunchtime, but I couldn't be sure with the daylight.

Late night pile driving? What's this for? Can't tell where it's placed. Is this building #5 so soon? Gonna have to wait till daylight...

I saw that all day yesterday on the webcam.  I was thinking they were working on the bulkhead along the river??

Late night pile driving? What's this for? Can't tell where it's placed. Is this building #5 so soon? Gonna have to wait till daylight...

 

Here is a day shot. Hard to figure out its location.

 

Does anyone know the reason for so many surface parking lots in the plan for this?  Seems like such a waste of space for a blank canvas.

Does anyone know the reason for so many surface parking lots in the plan for this?  Seems like such a waste of space for a blank canvas.

 

There is only one and i doubt it will be there for too long once the east bank flats is fully finished

As part of a budding recreation amenity, I can't decide if I hate the steel bulkhead because it's ugly, or if I love the steal bulkhead because it's raw and gritty.

Love it or hate it, I'm sure the bulkhead will be reconstructed as part of the boardwalk going up.

i know what you mean strap, but its much more raw than gritty and it needs to go. this is going to take a lot of work if the future plans to build closer to the riverfront come to pass. actually rebuilding the bulkheads is my fav part of the feb project because it could allow for a boardwalk and could help support construction nearer to the water.

 

Agree. The Flats still need a major overhaul of infrastructure. In connection, there are still a plethora of aesthetic barriers to overcome for the hood to reach its potential imho.

 

What would be a game changer would be a low-level bridge from Main ave on the east bank to Main ave on the west bank.  to create a pedestrian friendly way to connect the west bank to Downtown, when you look at the residential growth on the west bank it is focused where the best access to downtown is.  the ability to Walk from those west bank parking lots directly to the East bank development and ware house district, will open up those parking lots for development.

 

As it stands now the west bank is littered with parking lots because it is isolated from the downtown and the east bank, and its transit connections. 

What would be a game changer would be a low-level bridge from Main ave on the east bank to Main ave on the west bank.  to create a pedestrian friendly way to connect the west bank to Downtown, when you look at the residential growth on the west bank it is focused where the best access to downtown is.  the ability to Walk from those west bank parking lots directly to the East bank development and ware house district, will open up those parking lots for development.

 

As it stands now the west bank is littered with parking lots because it is isolated from the downtown and the east bank, and its transit connections. 

With ya'.  The approaches on the viaducts leading to the Main Avenue Bridge are quite unattractive.  It does not even connect until W 25th street. 

 

How would you run Main Avenue on a low level if the East Bank and Old River Road are already in place for the current developments?

I saw that all day yesterday on the webcam.  I was thinking they were working on the bulkhead along the river??

 

It looked like it was along the bulkhead yesterday.

What would be a game changer would be a low-level bridge from Main ave on the east bank to Main ave on the west bank.  to create a pedestrian friendly way to connect the west bank to Downtown, when you look at the residential growth on the west bank it is focused where the best access to downtown is.  the ability to Walk from those west bank parking lots directly to the East bank development and ware house district, will open up those parking lots for development.

 

As it stands now the west bank is littered with parking lots because it is isolated from the downtown and the east bank, and its transit connections. 

With ya'.  The approaches on the viaducts leading to the Main Avenue Bridge are quite unattractive.  It does not even connect until W 25th street. 

 

How would you run Main Avenue on a low level if the East Bank and Old River Road are already in place for the current developments?

 

in the future there will be descion made to replace the Main avenue bridge, since route 2 will be a 35mph boulevard does it continue to make sense to spend 500-600 million dollars to replace the high level main avenue bridge which is the the longest bridge to cross the Cuyahoga river and the least used bridge to cross the river in the county.

 

imagine what a difference it would be if the bridge was removed from west 25th to East 6th or so, and replaced with intersections at west 9th, west 6th, west 3rd and east 9th.   

 

concerns are congestion, and inconvenience to the relatively small numbers of drivers that actually travel the full span of the bridge. 

 

the benefit tothe warehouse district is by remving ramps you opens up acres of land for development and improve the quality of life there by reducing the noise and dust Associated with a freeway.

 

 

 

 

Drove by at lunchtime today, that pile-driving equipment (or whatever it is) is right up against the river edge, so it must be bulkhead work.

^OK thanks for checking on that. But I was hoping it was a new foundation for another building. That could be soon though.

How would you run Main Avenue on a low level if the East Bank and Old River Road are already in place for the current developments?

...Imagine what a difference it would be if the bridge was removed from west 25th to East 6th or so, and replaced with intersections at west 9th, west 6th, west 3rd and east 9th.   

Concerns are  congestion, and inconvenience to the relatively small numbers of drivers that actually travel the full span of the bridge.  ...

What I am asking is if the existing plans for the East Bank of the Flats can accommodate large amounts of traffic down Main Avenue to where traffic would meet the hypothetical new lift bridge.  Pedestrians will have to deal with way more traffic at rush hour.  The Shooters area on the West Bank would be impacted, too.

Just found a much better web came link for FEB. It is at earthcam.com and it is bad ass. Both controllable and panoramic. Hope we don't burn it out. You go now!

 

http://www.earthcam.com/client/flatseastbank/?cam=pano

^nice find!!!!

How would you run Main Avenue on a low level if the East Bank and Old River Road are already in place for the current developments?

...Imagine what a difference it would be if the bridge was removed from west 25th to East 6th or so, and replaced with intersections at west 9th, west 6th, west 3rd and east 9th.   

Concerns are  congestion, and inconvenience to the relatively small numbers of drivers that actually travel the full span of the bridge.  ...

What I am asking is if the existing plans for the East Bank of the Flats can accommodate large amounts of traffic down Main Avenue to where traffic would meet the hypothetical new lift bridge.  Pedestrians will have to deal with way more traffic at rush hour.  The Shooters area on the West Bank would be impacted, too.

 

good points I don 't not have the answers to your questions but I can try

 

I would assume that most traffic into downtown would be diverted onto the Detroit Superior bridge, thru traffic would likely detour to the I90 Inner belt once the new bridges are built they will have an additional 25% capacity, for through Traffic. keep in mind the current traffic patterns are expected to change as the shore way is converted into a boulevard and its speed limit is reduced making it less attractive for users relative to a higher capacity I-90. 

 

In the end I'd expect a 4 lane lift bridge, with integrated pedestrian and biking facilities.

 

issues to consider would be truck traffic being routed through the northern edge of the warehouse district, and environmental impacts bringing what was above, down to grade level.

Did you see the pictures I posted at the Shoreway conversion thread? Probably the best place to discuss this. ;)

Just found a much better web came link for FEB. It is at earthcam.com and it is bad ass. Both controllable and panoramic. Hope we don't burn it out. You go now!

 

http://www.earthcam.com/client/flatseastbank/?cam=pano

 

Thanks for the new cam link Freethink!!!

 

 

Yep, they're definitely working on the bulkhead.  This first pic is from earlier this month and the last 2 are from the new webcam today.

 

 

 

 

Pics from today with the bulkhead work underway!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Did they also raise up the land next to the river? It seems higher than I remember from my Flats East Bank bar-hopping days.

Does anyone know if there are any plans on building in the roundabout rapid tracks on the flats east bank?

@ KJP: It looks like they excavated behind the bulkhead and cut the steel plates off about 2' above the water line.  In the second of dar24's pictures, you can see the pile of twisted metal between the crane and the dumpster.  In the third picture, you can see the ladder and worker behind the "original" full height bulkhead.  I also see a pile of H-piles, seemingly ready to drive. 

Did they also raise up the land next to the river? It seems higher than I remember from my Flats East Bank bar-hopping days.

 

Would the slope we see now have been obscured by the piers behind the Old River Road restaurants, where boaters moored their watercraft?

^It could have been, but if it didn't exist before I would think they would have to cut that dirt out so they could make room to actually perform the work needed to build the new bulkheads.

From yesterday:

 

wow nice shot and update -- its practically done.

wow nice shot and update -- its practically done.

 

Since the #55 doesn't go over the bridge anymore, I can only see it when I'm driving. And at night you can see that they still have a lot of work to do inside. But now that the exterior is pretty much done (just in time for winter -- if we get one this year), then they can spend the winter doing all of the interior work all warm and comfy.

Yep...there was a facebook update that Wileyville has been started as well.

are the 2 clubs that were to be next to th boardwalk still part of phase 1 or is it just the park?

wow nice shot and update -- its practically done.

 

Since the #55 doesn't go over the bridge anymore, I can only see it when I'm driving. And at night you can see that they still have a lot of work to do inside. But now that the exterior is pretty much done (just in time for winter -- if we get one this year), then they can spend the winter doing all of the interior work all warm and comfy.

 

well, yeah of course i meant the exteriors. i hadnt noticed how far along this is lately -- its cool to see isn't it? can't wait for more to come.

 

I found a really cool page on Flickr:    http://www.flickr.com/photos/literarycafe/sets/72157625801348856/?page=1

 

The guy takes a panoramic picture of the construction site everyday of the week

The guy takes a panoramic picture of the construction site everyday of the week

 

 

WOW, that's some dedication!!!

Could have sworn the office tower was further along...

 

I could have sworn there WAS an office tower! I was downtown at the office earlier today and was surprised to see how low the fog had gotten. Nice job capturing it with the Flats-cam.

What style of architecture is the new building?

What is up with them taking off the "fabric" from the structure on top? I thought the webcam looked different this morning, so I did a drive by and sure enough, it's gone, just the structural members remain. Bizarre! Maybe there was some defect? Seems like that would be a real b%tch to replace ...