^^ you don't want ODOT to deconstruct the road from a freeway to a 35-mph boulevard?? That would actually support what people are wanting to do here...getting rid of the Main Avenue bridge.

 

That said; getting rid of the bridge would cause a whole host of problems. First, I think people greatly underestimate the cost of demolition. The state would not demolish that bridge unless it was unsalvagable. Then come the route upgrades to connect the boulevard adequately with Detriot Ave. Then what do you do with the section of shoreway downtown? Restrict traffic to eastbound only? Spend money to reroute traffic westbound to Superior Ave? I could come up with more logistical issues that would in turn cost $$$.

 

These questions might arise one day when looking at the structure and the ONLY option is demolition, but until then nothing proactive is going to happen. The powers at be will point to Captain America closures as evidence.

 

"Underestimate the cost of demolition" is putting it mildly.  For one thing, I don't think the river is deep enough there to let it be exploded into it. That would mean piece by piece deconstruction.

^^ you don't want ODOT to deconstruct the road from a freeway to a 35-mph boulevard?? That would actually support what people are wanting to do here...getting rid of the Main Avenue bridge.

 

That said; getting rid of the bridge would cause a whole host of problems. First, I think people greatly underestimate the cost of demolition. The state would not demolish that bridge unless it was unsalvagable. Then come the route upgrades to connect the boulevard adequately with Detriot Ave. Then what do you do with the section of shoreway downtown? Restrict traffic to eastbound only? Spend money to reroute traffic westbound to Superior Ave? I could come up with more logistical issues that would in turn cost $$$.

 

These questions might arise one day when looking at the structure and the ONLY option is demolition, but until then nothing proactive is going to happen. The powers at be will point to Captain America closures as evidence.

 

"Underestimate the cost of demolition" is putting it mildly.  For one thing, I don't think the river is deep enough there to let it be exploded into it. That would mean piece by piece deconstruction.

 

But the bridge will have to come down eventually, right? They say the innerbelt bridge was one its last legs, and the Main Ave. bridge is much older and of a similar design. So, when it comes down to it, if they have to demolish it, it would be much cheaper to simply connect the the Shoreway (hopefully a boulevard by that time) to Main Ave. in the Flats and building a draw bridge connecting the East and West Bank of the Flats. Think of all the development that could result from that.

 

Here's a poor quality vision of what could happen... The orange street represents the new "Shoreway" Blvd - Main Ave, gray streets show possible grid-restoration, and black outlines represent possible development (offices, condos, apartments, parking decks w/ retail, etc.).

 

 

And here's how it could affect downtown/warehouse district. Lots of new potential development off Lakeside. The Shoreway would just end and begin at W. 3rd Street, and the bridge over the railroad tracks would also be torn down.

 

 

^ let's think like Portland/Pacific NW.  Let's reuse the bridge http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/08/sellwood_bridge_sale_makes_int.html

Looks like FWD venue is up for review today.  South beach is really coming to the north coast. 

 

 

 

^Interesting... is that a wading pool at the bottom?

Welcome MrCoffee!

^Interesting... is that a wading pool at the bottom?

 

An homage to Fagans?

The rendering has changed a bit. The original did not have any pool in it.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/plans_for_flats_east_bank_seas.html

Looks like FWD venue is up for review today.  South beach is really coming to the north coast. 

 

 

 

 

btw, ditto the welcome, MrCoffee... thanks for the post; good stuff.

Looks like FWD venue is up for review today.  South beach is really coming to the north coast.

 

Love it. Can't wait

I can't get behind this sudden explosion of shipping containers everywhere.  First downtown retail, then housing in Tremont, now this.  Shipping containers are an appropriate material for actual container shipping and that is it.  Our city is not a junkyard and its attractions should never advance the notion that it is.  The nautical theme is good, but there are plenty of ways to engage a nautical theme.  Pick a different one.

I can't get behind this sudden explosion of shipping containers everywhere.  First downtown retail, then housing in Tremont, now this.  Shipping containers are an appropriate material for actual container shipping and that is it.  Our city is not a junkyard and its attractions should never advance the notion that it is.  The nautical theme is good, but there are plenty of ways to engage a nautical theme.  Pick a different one.

 

This is a funny comment for so many reasons.  If people were making houses and clubs out of crushed cars or rusty refrigerators, then I believe your concern about our city becoming a "junkyard" would be warranted.  However, shipping containers have nothing to do with junkyards. In fact, the world over, they are used as a practical, cost-effective, and, yes, attractive alternative to traditional building.  Take a look at the Scandinavian countries in particular for excellent examples.

Hey all.  I will be moving to Cleveland sometime this upcoming summer and would love to live downtown.  I saw today that the new FEB apartments are now offering tours.  Have they released any information about pricing/floor plans yet?  I haven't been able to find any info.  Thanks!

^Welcome to the forum.

It looks like they are going through www.villagegreen.com

I don't see any floor plans but there are more renderings and a price sheet available.

http://www.villagegreen.com/cleveland/flats-east-bank/photos/

 

Mods may move your question to the relocation thread which I can't seem to find right now. Good luck.

mrcoffee with the awesome first post (and great handle too btw)!

I can't get behind this sudden explosion of shipping containers everywhere.  First downtown retail, then housing in Tremont, now this.  Shipping containers are an appropriate material for actual container shipping and that is it.  Our city is not a junkyard and its attractions should never advance the notion that it is.  The nautical theme is good, but there are plenty of ways to engage a nautical theme.  Pick a different one.

 

lol! it's just a hip trend. don't worry it will pass. the structures are meant to be temporary. and that is is particularly a good thing here because don't forget a residential tower is (once was?) supposed to go up on the site with phase three.

^Welcome to the forum.

It looks like they are going through www.villagegreen.com

I don't see any floor plans but there are more renderings and a price sheet available.

http://www.villagegreen.com/cleveland/flats-east-bank/photos/

 

Mods may move your question to the relocation thread which I can't seem to find right now. Good luck.

 

I think Cashew22[/member]'s question is specific enough to this thread that it and followup answers deserve to stay here.

 

However, general questions about relocation (not specific to a new/renovated structure under development) are best for the "Cleveland Relocation Thread":

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,14228.msg223349.html#msg223349

 

Welcome Cashew22[/member]. Hope you continue to post here and that will enjoy your new home. Don't be a stranger!

From the aLoft hotel:

 

I'm getting more and more excited about this riverfront development.  Can't wait until it's completed, the boardwalk is open and the water taxis are running again!

She's quite a presence from the west bank.

 

 

 

She's quite a presence from the west bank.

 

 

 

Going to look awesome with the signage on top!!

So long overdue.  Anyone know what the cost differential of rents are for apartments facing the water vs those facing the parking lot?

Here is the price sheet. But it doesn't indicate river or city views.

http://www.villagegreen.com/cleveland/flats-east-bank/

Here is the price sheet. But it doesn't indicate river or city views.

http://www.villagegreen.com/cleveland/flats-east-bank/

 

Damn those prices are steep!  More than $2/sf in most cases.  Blows my mind to consider paying $2,400 or more a month in rent for an 1100 - 1200 sf apartment.

Here is the price sheet. But it doesn't indicate river or city views.

http://www.villagegreen.com/cleveland/flats-east-bank/

 

Damn those prices are steep!  More than $2/sf in most cases.  Blows my mind to consider paying $2,400 or more a month in rent for an 1100 - 1200 sf apartment.

 

Yes it is steep for CLE.  But if they can get these prices for a new build and it leases quickly, it makes the business case for nuCLEus a little more certain and the prospect of future construction/conversions more attractive.  On the downside, it raises the bar on lease and prices out those with more moderate incomes.  But that in turn also has a plus as it begins to make neighborhoods near downtown more attractive.

It appears the boardwalk is making a nice progression as seen in those photos .

^ idk, can anyone confirm that. I think what you are seeing is just the bulkhead that was cut away last summer. It's hard to tell from those photos. I haven't been down that way since the Fall.  I think it's still out for bid.  Actually I am kind of worried about the boardwalk since that 'special tax' thingy was rejected. Maybe someone's can get a photo from up top.

The boardwalk has already bid and I heard it was awarded, which presumably means the project is going forward.  In that picture, you're seeing the concrete retaining walls for the large planters, which will get a stone facade.  I heard the boardwalk work had already begun, but I haven't seen it personally.  The original completion date was June 15th, although I'm not sure that's reasonable. 

Looks like Toby Keith's Bar is finally under construction too.  Bigger image on link below.  Hopefully the warmer weather will gets things popping-up faster. 

 

https://flic.kr/p/qSH1yL

She's quite a presence from the west bank.

 

 

 

Going to look awesome with the signage on top!!

 

 

holy cow that is just remarkable to see!

Wonder if these are still under active consideration for FEB?

 

http://www.dimitarchitects.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=61

 

 

^I hope so, I love the walk up style.

Slightly off topic, but I'd love to see something like that on Detroit where Max Hayes high school is!

^Only a little more than a mile off topic ;)

Wonder if these are still under active consideration for FEB?

 

http://www.dimitarchitects.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=61

 

 

 

I believe this was originally planned for the same spot that Toby Keith's is now being built.

I believe this was originally planned for the same spot that Toby Keith's is now being built.

 

This is where the brownstones were planned:

 

That rendering though is for the building fronting the top most garage on the east side of the entry.

That rendering though is for the building fronting the top most garage on the east side of the entry.

 

Why do you say that? The area highlighted includes the English brownstones. That's where they were/are going to go.

That rendering is from a previous version of the site plan where there were going to be townhomes lining that northernmost garage. They've since changed and that specific design won't be implemented where it was designed (or possibly at all). There will be brownstones, but I meant that specific rendering is not of the ones we'll see.

 

 

This version of the site plan's "Building 2" is what that rendering is showing.

I was scouring architectural firm websites last night so I wasn't sure if those brownstones were still in play. Thanks.

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/04102015/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for April 10, 2015

 

DOWNTOWN/FLATS DESIGN REVIEW

DF2014-116 – Coastal Taco (formerly Beach Taco) Revised Submittal for New Construction: Seeking Final Approval

Project Address: 1146 Old River Road

Project Representatives: Rick Siegfried, RSA Architects

Stephen Mills, RSA Architects

 

DF2014-001 – Flats East Bank – Landscaping, Open Space, and Streetscape: Seeking Final Approval

Project Address: 1056 Old River Road

Project Representative: Don Frantz, Metro Consulting

FEB - Streetscape/Landscape

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/04102015/index.php

This probably seems really nitpicky, but I wish they'd use more plants native to Northeast Ohio.

I like the use of evergreens to keep a bit of color during the winter. This should look great when it's done.

This probably seems really nitpicky, but I wish they'd use more plants native to Northeast Ohio.

 

Although, I am a fan of the numerous evergreen species chosen.  This will definitely help the area feel more alive and inviting in the dead of winter (and give something to decorate?).  Part of the reason places in the Pacific NW (i.e. Portland OR) feel so green even in Jan-Feb is because of all its native fir and pine trees. 

 

EDIT: Darnit Mendo!  You beat me to the punch

Evergreens also block the wind in the winter months.

There are also evergreens that are native to Northeast Ohio, but they seem to be opting for the ones that are native to the west coast. I know it's nitpicky, but it's usually better for the ecosystem if native plants are used.

i would agree its generally best to use native plantings wherever possible, but i can see it being important to use the perhaps larger non-native evergreens to block some of the wind.

^ True. I'm no expert on this matter, and I have no idea how large the largest Northeast Ohio native evergreens are. Still, they could use more native plants for everything else. I never knew until I did some research, but there are some very pretty plants native to this region. Unfortunately, though, they are rarely used in urban landscaping. It would be nice to get some legislation requiring that a certain percentage of plants are native to the region in projects that utilize any funding from the City.

 

Regardless, the landscape/streetscape is going to look great on this project. I just wish they gave the local ecosystem more consideration.

Evergreens just seem out of place in the FEB walkable/nautical/urban setting.  Why not do what's done in a number of northern waterfront cities: portable palm trees and ferns... Move them outdoors in the spring and take them indoors in the fall.  It may seem kooky to some, but ferns & palms seem more appropriate down there the evergreens imho.  At the very least, I'd use palms/ferns on the apartment's western flank facing the water.  Smaller evergreens could face inland... I guess.