Yes, but discussing a huge scale project versus dealing with multiple smaller businesses and owners is a very different animal. It's not cynical, it's understanding how humans operate and understanding what is realistic and what isn't.

 

And even if many businesses get it, only one who doesn't get it ruins the whole plan. You can't have one business not participating in a scenario like this. You need everyone in agreement on how to implement a plan and how to operate with a new setup.

Yes, but discussing a huge scale project versus dealing with multiple smaller businesses and owners is a very different animal.

 

But who says one entity won't buy them all? Happened on East 4th. Happened on East Bank.

^ Now there's an idea. Maron did a great job with keeping the historic infrastructure on E. 4. Maybe someone should talk to him about looking at these buildings ;)

Boardwalks often serve as easements for running utilities....hmmm.

Yes, but discussing a huge scale project versus dealing with multiple smaller businesses and owners is a very different animal.

 

But who says one entity won't buy them all? Happened on East 4th. Happened on East Bank.

 

I'm nowhere near knowledgeable about current ownership of these properties so if that's a possibility that would honestly be quite ideal. A cohesive plan could be created. But I was under the impression many of the owners aren't all that interested in selling. Maybe things have changed though with the success of the FEB.

^^^That seems like the most plausible path to a boardwalk extension. Maybe it's even happening behind the scenes, who knows. Fingers crossed.

A few interesting things about Phase 3 in this piece from WOIO. 100 residences/a dine-in movie theatre/lots of retail.

 

http://www.kpho.com/story/29868489/third-phase-expected-to-bring-more-to-flats-east-bank

 

^ "The apartments are leasing so fast and the demand so strong for this live, work, play environment that we're going to complete West 11th Street," said Adam Fishman.

 

Shwing!

 

 

 

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2015/08/21/flats-east-bank-phase-three/32162983/

 

WKYC interviewed Scott Wolstein, who shared some details about FEB I haven't seen elsewhere. Among them are:

 

- Phase Three could break ground in fall 2015 or early 2016, and will include restaurant/retail tenants currently on a waiting list for space.

- Wolstein hopes the site will contain upwards of 1,000 residential units (243 currently in Phase 2).

- As many as four additional vertical structures could be built on the project site.

I'm kind of confused by the two stories. In the one quoted above it says there's currently a waiting list even though there are available spaces (maybe not the spaces they want?) and then in the new story it says they're not starting phase 3 until phase two is leased? It looks like there's just over 34000 square feet available in five spaces for phase 2. It seems more like they want to be in a better position with leasing of the apartments. On that note, taking 243 and 100 from the 1000 apartment 'estimate' gives about 219 units for each of the last three buildings.

How did you get a link to an Arizona TV station story about Cleveland's FEB?? Here's a WOIO link. Shop local! ;)

 

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/29868489/third-phase-expected-to-bring-more-to-flats-east-bank

 

EDIT: first time I've seen an official reference to a break-ground date for Phase 3 -- early 2016.

I am just mesmerized by the blurry view out of that window!

 

First look: Crop restaurant complex brings music treasures to Cleveland Flats (photos)

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio --- The clock ticks on, with every hour bringing more stress and urgency. It's always like that when you're getting ready to open a new restaurant.

 

Um, actually, three restaurants. Make that three much-anticipated restaurants in the $750 million Flats East Bank project.

 

Yet, there was Steve Schimoler  buzzing across the room of his soon-to-open eatery like a kid – wide-eyed with a big smile, full of frenetic enthusiasm.

 

"My god, do you believe this?" he says, pointing generally across the room of Crop Rocks.

 

I say "generally" because there was so much stuff he could've been pointing at. There were dozens and dozens of music artifacts all over the place.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/08/first_look_crop_restaurant_com.html#incart_river

^hmm, it looks clear to me :-)

It took like ten or fifteen years for the east bank to come back, and so far it looks like a tourist trap for aging baby boomers.

It took like ten or fifteen years for the east bank to come back, and so far it looks like a tourist trap for aging baby boomers.

 

If that's how an urban center can get their money, so be it.

Word.

It took like ten or fifteen years for the east bank to come back, and so far it looks like a tourist trap for aging baby boomers.

Sounds like E. 4th would fall under an even worse category, after all there is a bowling alley there.

Sounds like E. 4th would fall under an even worse category, after all there is a bowling alley there.

 

Nah, lotsa youngin's there.

 

They also put a Corner Alley in the college town-style development of Uptown and it's doing well there too.

I'm kind of confused by the two stories. In the one quoted above it says there's currently a waiting list even though there are available spaces (maybe not the spaces they want?) and then in the new story it says they're not starting phase 3 until phase two is leased?

 

I think the confusion is that one is referring to residential leases and the other is referring to business leases.

It could be demand for one bedroom vs two bedroom spaces. Also, don't landlords verify employment and income before renting? Could be a reason to have a waiting list

By the way...if you love a fun crowd and sing-a-longs....Big Bang was actually pretty fun. It's no Pat O'briens in Nawlens but we had a blast and it was just a Thursday night...we may or may not have made it rain on the performers. There were annoying pedestrian restrictions so we couldn't check out the boardwalk :/

Crop Rocks opens at 5pm today

 

 

First look: Crop restaurant complex opens in Cleveland Flats

 

By John Petkovic, The Plain Dealer

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on August 31, 2015 at 11:42 AM, updated August 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- "Wow, this almost looks like a museum with a restaurant in it," said Steve Schimoler as he surveyed the artifacts and thousands of albums adorning the walls of Crop Rocks. "I hope it feels like a commune."

 

Schimoler was wide-eyed and full of awe and wonder as he debuted his latest restaurant Sunday during a private opening. Crop Rocks will open to the public at 5 p.m. Monday.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/08/first_look_crop_restaurant_com_1.html

^I'm curious to see.  Love the Rock 'n Roll theme.  Schimoler is all over Cleveland these days.  Obviously he's not afraid to try new things, which is great.  He's obviously super committed to FEB.  Hope this place is a hit.

It took like ten or fifteen years for the east bank to come back, and so far it looks like a tourist trap for aging baby boomers.

 

What difference does it make? Would u rather have it vacant? Smdh

It took like ten or fifteen years for the east bank to come back, and so far it looks like a tourist trap for aging baby boomers.

 

What difference does it make? Would u rather have it vacant? Smdh

 

I would rather it wasn't populated with this kind of kitschy garbage, considering how long it took for it to happen. I don't think this is an unreasonable expectation. Since when is having high standards a bad thing around here?

It took like ten or fifteen years for the east bank to come back, and so far it looks like a tourist trap for aging baby boomers.

 

What difference does it make? Would u rather have it vacant? Smdh

 

I would rather it wasn't populated with this kind of kitschy garbage, considering how long it took for it to happen. I don't think this is an unreasonable expectation. Since when is having high standards a bad thing around here?

 

Oh Jesus.  "Tourist trap for aging baby boomers," "kitschy garbage?"

 

I'm not saying there aren't valid critiques to be leveled at the FEB but that level of hyperbole is ridiculous.  I'm not sure what standards the FEB, as a whole, fails to meet too.  In its entirety, the project is a collection of high end residences, modern office space, public space, and a mix of locally owned and chain restaurants.

 

One may be less than enthused with the current tenant mix but the spit fire approach to the whole project just doesn't reflect the reality.  FEB has many facets for some people to like and dislike but it's far from a failure by any set of principles which similar projects may be judged.

It took like ten or fifteen years for the east bank to come back, and so far it looks like a tourist trap for aging baby boomers.

 

What difference does it make? Would u rather have it vacant? Smdh

 

I would rather it wasn't populated with this kind of kitschy garbage, considering how long it took for it to happen. I don't think this is an unreasonable expectation. Since when is having high standards a bad thing around here?

 

I thought the Toby Keith concept was really bad. Here's hoping for an alternative that's more unique and more local in flavor.

^I agree. I'm glad the Toby Keith element is no longer part of the project. I personally hate the big round traffic circles. This is, afterall, central Cleveland. But overall, the project seems successful---and it is better than nothing. I'd like to see some condos in the mix (I'm aware of financing difficulties),as such would certainly add a bit more permanency to the area. Even if it were just a 10-story bldg with 6-10 units per floor.

This is more than 'better than nothing'.  The city was in dire need of new-builds for both offices and apartments.  They serve a need for a segment of the population, offer an alternative to old buildings, and its success serves as a case study to help justify more new-builds downtown.  when they do phase 3, the project will be dense and help connect the flats to the rest of the warehouse district.

 

The city needs both Cains and locally owned places.

I just noticed that Pizza Rock is no longer included in the leasing plans. Also, does anyone know if/when they would break ground on the proposed office building?

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55196ec5e4b0dfcc47c5e87c/t/5554e8cae4b035d4a495e7b1/1431627978021/flats_cs.pdf

 

this document on Fairmount site right now shows Pizza Rock. Another there does not.

^ Assuming that document is old? The website for FEB used to list it under their restaurants section, but it has since disappeared.

I just noticed that Pizza Rock is no longer included in the leasing plans. Also, does anyone know if/when they would break ground on the proposed office building?

 

I assume you are talking about the blue block in the northeast corner.  I haven't seen any activity there or heard of any of the car parkers being told to look for other parking.  It was supposed to be part of phase 2, but talk about it has really disappeared.

I just noticed that Pizza Rock is no longer included in the leasing plans. Also, does anyone know if/when they would break ground on the proposed office building?

 

I assume you are talking about the blue block in the northeast corner.  I haven't seen any activity there or heard of any of the car parkers being told to look for other parking.  It was supposed to be part of phase 2, but talk about it has really disappeared.

 

No tenants. No office building.

The fiancee and I did some sight seeing last week. Here is my contribution:

 

 

 

DSCN7209 by Scott Muscatello, on Flickr

 

 

DSCN7207 by Scott Muscatello, on Flickr

 

 

DSCN7206 by Scott Muscatello, on Flickr

 

 

DSCN7205 by Scott Muscatello, on Flickr

 

 

DSCN7203 by Scott Muscatello, on Flickr

 

 

DSCN7202 by Scott Muscatello, on Flickr

 

 

DSCN7201 by Scott Muscatello, on Flickr

Wow, beautiful pictures.

Ahh such a beautiful morning as the sun rises over Christies...

A few views from the crooked river.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sweet - its looking good from all angles!

Punch Bowl Social opens Saturday on Flats East Bank: Hearty eats, snacks, drinks & more (photos)

 

By  Joe Crea, Northeast Ohio Media Group 

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on September 14, 2015 at 7:58 AM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- "Eat. Drink. Social." When Punch Bowl Social hosts a giant grand opening benefit for Salvation Army from 7 to 9 p.m. Saturday, Cleveland sees the debut of a splashy new eatery and entertainment complex - the latest addition to the unfolding Flats East Banks development.

 

Punch Bowl Social is equal parts restaurant, watering hole and Old School entertainment complex. With construction, decorating and staff-training in full swing, I got a first look at the unfolding "eatertainment" venue.

 

The 27,000-square-foot complex, spread over two stories (a 4,000-square-foot rooftop bar and lounge is slated to open Spring 2016) is located at 1086 West 11th St. To get your bearings, Punch Bowl sits directly across from Willeyville, Lago and Ken Stewart East Bank restaurants, at the base of Ernst & Young Building and the Aloft Hotel, separated by an open expanse of land.

 

Cleveland is a fifth location for the Denver, Colorado-based group of restaurants, with others in Denver; Portland, Oregon; Austin, Texas, and Detroit, Michigan.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/dining/index.ssf/2015/09/punch_bowl_social_opens_saturd.html#incart_gallery

Wow they are letting boats back on the East Bank!  Very nice!

 

one day this'll open but Flip Sides seem to take forever to.

 

 

I'm really excited for Flip Side and their alcoholic milkshakes  :-D

What the hell is that brick veneer detail doing? Sticking out further than the material above it with no visible flashing. Who designed this building? That is going to let all types of water into the walls.

 

one day this'll open but Flip Sides seem to take forever to.

 

 

I agree. The Rocky River location seemed close to opening for a long time before it actually opened. The FEB buidling has been up for months, yet it seems like no work is ever being done inside of it.

What the hell is that brick veneer detail doing? Sticking out further than the material above it with no visible flashing. Who designed this building? That is going to let all types of water into the walls.

 

Yeah, I'm sure no one thought of that.

I can't tell if that's sarcasm, but if it is, you'd be surprised. Plenty of dumb construction details like this make it into finished buildings and become a problem. The Vontz Center at the University of Cincinnati had some of its brick veneer weep holes drain into the interior of the floor construction. Obviously an issue and anyone with any knowledge of how a building should be built will tell you why that make absolutely no sense.

What the hell is that brick veneer detail doing? Sticking out further than the material above it with no visible flashing. Who designed this building? That is going to let all types of water into the walls.

 

LOL.  Those masonry walls will have efflorescence in about one year.

Nothing says, "classy establishment" like white streaks down your brick.

Nothing says, "classy establishment" like white streaks down your brick.

 

Brick...concrete....steel....asphalt....it doesn't matter, Northeast Ohio will kill all of it haha.

Had dinner at Alley Cat last night (enjoyed it).  While it was beautiful weather, was happy and surprised to see so much activity on a Wednesday night in mid September.  Not only Alley Cat but all the venues in  the East Bank (Shooters even looked like it had a good crowd as did the Goodtime evening cruise).