^Glad you're back on the WFL mrclifton, I  thought you'd given it up... When I got on during evening rush at FEB, there were about 20 people there, which is a crowd compared to the way it used to be.

 

It seems to be doing well, I generally get on at North Coast and lately there's been about 5+ waiting, which is small but I used to be alone!  By the time we get to Tower City there's a pretty sizable group.  It'll be interesting to see how the ridership changes as the rest of FEB comes online

I"m hearing rumors the next office building might break ground this year yet.  Still some pre leasing work to be done

I just added a month's worth of progress pictures from the EY building's view to my flickr album:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14014567@N08/sets/72157642487692745/

 

I just added a month's worth of progress pictures from the EY building's view to my flickr album:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14014567@N08/sets/72157642487692745/

 

 

Awesome. Thanks!!!

I was at Willeyville yesterday and noticed that they just fenced off the area where the Flipside burger restaurant will be and have started digging a foundation.  No idea if they have started with any of the other buildings, but I thought this was a good sign. Spring 2015 isn't that far away!

 

 

i'm so glad to see and hear about all this redevelopment going on now. the more the warehouse district parking lots get re-surrounded the better.

i'm so glad to see and hear about all this redevelopment going on now. the more the warehouse district parking lots get re-surrounded the better.

 

 

Not sure if there is another thread about that lot or not, but they have been doing "core drilling" in the lot @ W 9th and St. Clair.  I'm not sure if that means someone is thinking of building there or not.  I just noticed things. 

^This was being discussed a few days back...I believe in the Warehouse District thread (but not sure).

^ wow. after all these years yeah that really is something. great to hear.

 

of course, the way things are going with the popularity of downtown living everywhere you go, its only a matter of time.

There has been a lot of core drilling around town on empty lots'--but a lot of it is being done by NEORSD as part of he CSO project. It doesn't matter if it is not in the location of a new tunnel. I'm not saying this particular location is NEORSD-related, but it could be. 

For those who don't know what the CSO project is:

http://www.neorsd.org/cso.php

^ i see this, its called project clean lake, a $3B 25yr program. thats quite a project! very necessary too. is there a uo thread for it? if no there should be. more:

 

http://www.neorsd.org/projectcleanlake.php

 

http://cifeb5.blogspot.com/2014/07/cifs-I-829-approvals.html#more

 

Tuesday, July 8, 2014

 

CiF’s first EB-5 Investors are issued their Permanent US Green Cards

 

Over the past several months, EB-5 Investors participating in CiF’s Flats East Bank Phase I Project have begun to receive their Permanent US Green Cards. The USCIS has started to approve Flats Phase I Investors’ I-829 petitions, thereby granting these Investors and their families permanent US residency.

 

The Flats East Bank Phase I Project was the first EB-5 Investment CiF offered to international investors and this represents a major milestone for CiF as a USCIS Regional Center.

 

Structuring EB-5 Investments that successfully yield a Permanent US Green Card is a complex process and CiF is pleased to deliver US residency to our investors.

 

never had heard of this happening

 

http://cifeb5.blogspot.com/2014/07/cifs-I-829-approvals.html#more

 

Tuesday, July 8, 2014

 

CiF’s first EB-5 Investors are issued their Permanent US Green Cards

 

Over the past several months, EB-5 Investors participating in CiF’s Flats East Bank Phase I Project have begun to receive their Permanent US Green Cards. The USCIS has started to approve Flats Phase I Investors’ I-829 petitions, thereby granting these Investors and their families permanent US residency.

 

The Flats East Bank Phase I Project was the first EB-5 Investment CiF offered to international investors and this represents a major milestone for CiF as a USCIS Regional Center.

 

Structuring EB-5 Investments that successfully yield a Permanent US Green Card is a complex process and CiF is pleased to deliver US residency to our investors.

 

We talked about this earlier in the project and I think in one other thread.

We talked about this earlier in the project and I think in one other thread.

 

We did. Just look back through the past 147 pages and I'm sure you'll find it!

That's mistake #1 Dave. Mistake number two gets you the finger waving video from MTS :)

We talked about this earlier in the project and I think in one other thread.

 

We did. Just look back through the past 147 pages and I'm sure you'll find it!

 

I know we discussed this before.  Because we talked about it taking place in other cities.

That's mistake #1 Dave. Mistake number two gets you the finger waving video from MTS :)

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/07182014/index.php

 

DOWNTOWN/FLATS DESIGN REVIEW

1. DF2014-059 - FWD Open-Air Night Club New Construction: Concept Approval

Project Location: Front Street and Old River Road

Project Representative: Stephen Ciciretto, Architect

Very interesting design with shipping containers as walls.  And a good fit for being so close to the port.  Interesting.

Meh.....

 

 

Open air night club right next to high-end apartments?  There has got to be better uses for that space other than a fair weather weekend bar. 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/07182014/index.php

 

DOWNTOWN/FLATS DESIGN REVIEW

1. DF2014-059 - FWD Open-Air Night Club New Construction: Concept Approval

Project Location: Front Street and Old River Road

Project Representative: Stephen Ciciretto, Architect

 

I didn't see this coming.

 

I feel like this will end up looking terrible and out of place.

I'm guessing this is going to be a semi-temporary thing to fill the space till they can put up the tower they were planning.

Club Forward is one of the new Flats developments that I've been MOST excited about! Not only will I be there, but I know a ton of folks in and out of the city that are excited about it too. The design though? Meh.

Club Forward is one of the new Flats developments that I've been MOST excited about! Not only will I be there, but I know a ton of folks in and out of the city that are excited about it too. The design though? Meh.

 

Serious question: is it normal for new places to call themselves "Club ______"  It seems like this kinda name was popular in the 80's.

The design is obviously a new reveal, but the notion of Club FWD has been hyped by the developers since 2011.  I wouldn't want to live within a quarter mile of this place for noise reasons, but FWIW, it is tucked into a corner of the FEB site, not immediately adjacent to the units currently under construction: http://flatseast.com/about-the-flats-east-bank

Just wanted to drop in a couple notes...  Using container cars is very "in" right now.  In D.C. there are lots of places doing this, one that stands out is the outdoor drinking area next to National's Stadium called "the bullpen".  I think if done right it not only looks interesting but is a nice nod to the industrial elements of the flats.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/04/04/Weekend/Images/IMG_3748.jpg?uuid=EADPeH59EeGkjKtv0ZMpuA

 

Just for fun, there's also a rail car restaurant in DC: http://www.washingtonian.com/blogs/bestbites/assets_c/2014/01/011014-BBB-ElRayLede-thumb-620xauto-64163.jpg

 

 

 

 

The DC container cars area looks awful. As a DC resident, I always think it looks thrown together and out of place. I wish i could see the chicness, but it just comes off cheap and unattractive.

The DC container cars area looks awful. As a DC resident, I always think it looks thrown together and out of place. I wish i could see the chicness, but it just comes off cheap and unattractive.

 

- They ARE ugly, but also wildly popular with baseball fans who arrive early and linger long after Nationals games.

Though it's just trendy to use containers at the moment, it can create an interesting environment if handled properly. And tying in the industrial past of the Flats could be interesting. I'm just concerned it'll just end up looking like a bunch of giant lego bricks stacked around a bunch of picnic benches.

 

But the design of what we've seen built so far has been pretty decent so I'm actually hopeful it'll turn out nicely.

I'm guessing this is going to be a semi-temporary thing to fill the space till they can put up the tower they were planning.

 

you are guessing correctly. that is exactly what happened to one of these shipping container campuses in downtown brooklyn. it lasted a few years and now a residential building is going up on the site. its a placeholder, but a fun one.

 

The DC container cars area looks awful. As a DC resident, I always think it looks thrown together and out of place. I wish i could see the chicness, but it just comes off cheap and unattractive.

 

Glenville, I agree they look out of place but I think that speaks more to the rest of the DC navy yard area than the fairgrounds/bullpen, personally.  The whole area around the metro is filled with brand new monolithic buildings (most in glass and steel) and so anything else stands out (for better or worse).  I think it works well next to the stadium as a place for music and beer -- and considering most of those lots are going to be built on one day (soon) they probably didn't want to put too much $$ into it.

 

As for FEB -- I think it's perfect as a temporary option -- the style fits with the active port/rail area and keeps the area from becoming a full on Crocker Park on the water.  A little rust would be nice.  (just my opinion!)

 

 

Just wanted to drop in a couple notes...  Using container cars is very "in" right now.  In D.C. there are lots of places doing this, one that stands out is the outdoor drinking area next to National's Stadium called "the bullpen".  I think if done right it not only looks interesting but is a nice nod to the industrial elements of the flats.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/04/04/Weekend/Images/IMG_3748.jpg?uuid=EADPeH59EeGkjKtv0ZMpuA

 

Just for fun, there's also a rail car restaurant in DC: http://www.washingtonian.com/blogs/bestbites/assets_c/2014/01/011014-BBB-ElRayLede-thumb-620xauto-64163.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, it's been done since the mid 90's.  These architects spoke at KSU in 2001 and have been doing it for a while.

 

http://www.lot-ek.com/

ah i figured it was lot-ek. yeah they are well known for repurposing shipping containers into hipster attracting campuses.

Though it's just trendy to use containers at the moment, it can create an interesting environment if handled properly. And tying in the industrial past of the Flats could be interesting. I'm just concerned it'll just end up looking like a bunch of giant lego bricks stacked around a bunch of picnic benches.

 

But the design of what we've seen built so far has been pretty decent so I'm actually hopeful it'll turn out nicely.

 

There is a very popular surfers hostel in Holland.

 

http://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/stay-in-a-lifeboat-capsule-hotel-at-a-surf-commune-fast-in-the-hague

That's pretty cool. And they obviously played into the needs of the client and handled the design properly. Hopefully our take on shipping container architecture can do the same for this bar.

Actually this is the architect.    http://sc-aia.com/

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/07182014/index.php

 

They will also do the Flipside burger joint.

I'll withhold judgement until I see it finished.  However, I love the fact that they are not using a cookie-cutter structure.  The more unique the better to distinguish Cleveland from nearby "competitor" cities (although I know this is a minor minor blip on the radar).

 

So will this only be open 6 months/year?

Sorry to switch the conversation from the container stuff at FWD (which could be great if it's done right). But I was at the Aloft today and took some pictures of the construction going on. You'll see a lot of progress! As usual, my pictures don't really do it justice, but at least you'll get an idea of what's going on ....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^Thanks for the pics.

 

As for the shipping containers...I think that if done right, they can be very awesome. Creative way to lower construction costs and in some instances they can be used as placeholders for future development. I think the following are interesting projects:

 

I don't have a problem with shipping containers.  What I think is a bad is an open air club competing with all the other sources of noise down there.  The lift bridge, a train, or ship horn will drowned out any music unless you really crank it up.  Shooters patio is already loud enough to be heard up by the Port building. 

 

It's not my money and I'm not buying one of the new apartments in 2015, so I should let it run its course. 

yeah it will drfinitely run its course. its not meant to be permanent in the first place, and then throw in winters ha. it will be fun tho. hopefully the residential tower gets built there during phase 3 i think.

Why is everyone acting like this club concept is new? It's been a part of the project from DAY ONE. It's a seasonal outdoor nightclub. It wasn't just a throwaway placeholder. They PLANNED this. I, for one, am looking forward to it. The design is iffy to me, but I think the concept is an interesting one and I think nightlife is important to any city, as has been documented here before. But I don't know why people are acting like they're hearing about this for the first time

 

Plans for Flats East Bank seasonal club, called FWD, show shipping containers, open-air dance floor

By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer

on July 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, updated July 22, 2014 at 1:42 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A novel open-air nightclub planned for the east bank of the Flats could use recycled shipping containers to transition between slick new apartments to the south and an industrial strip along Lake Erie.

 

Concepts presented last week to a Cleveland design review committee show what business partners Michael Schwartz and Bobby Rutter envision at FWD - pronounced "forward" - at the Flats East Bank project. The seasonal club, which the investors aim to open around May 15, could hold 1,000 people between its cabanas, stage and dance floor.

 

And yes, Cleveland, there will be no roof.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/plans_for_flats_east_bank_seas.html

This should be in the FEB thread

Oops. Thanks.

^Whats the big structure in the image jsut to the east of FWD?

Plans for Flats East Bank seasonal club, called FWD, show shipping containers, open-air dance floor

By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer

on July 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, updated July 22, 2014 at 1:42 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A novel open-air nightclub planned for the east bank of the Flats could use recycled shipping containers to transition between slick new apartments to the south and an industrial strip along Lake Erie.

 

Concepts presented last week to a Cleveland design review committee show what business partners Michael Schwartz and Bobby Rutter envision at FWD - pronounced "forward" - at the Flats East Bank project. The seasonal club, which the investors aim to open around May 15, could hold 1,000 people between its cabanas, stage and dance floor.

 

And yes, Cleveland, there will be no roof.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/plans_for_flats_east_bank_seas.html

 

They plan to open FWD in mid-May each year and to operate on Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights into October. They're also considering weekend afternoon hours, when the dance floor might become a space for lounging on daybeds in the sun.

 

In the off-season, the owners would strip down the venue and store their equipment elsewhere, securing the property.

 

I like that they're gearing for 5-6 month operation. But conflicted re: the limited hours and days. Is this the best use of prime real estate? Or is this just the nature of a venue within an entertainment district?

 

I suppose at 15,000 sq ft it's arguably a small component of the overall plan.