January 11, 20214 yr ^ We should perhaps differentiate between re-opening existing theaters vs developers building new ones. Edited January 11, 20214 yr by Frmr CLEder
January 12, 20214 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 12, 20214 yr ^ well there we go problem sorta solved. that will also be a nice place to show movies. at least a decent part of the year.
January 12, 20214 yr Nice addition. Every time I've been to any kind of festival/event there, there's been a temporary stage set up there. Adding a permanent one will be great.
January 12, 20214 yr Nice! For the foreseeable future, I suspect any theaters or stages built will probably be of the outside variety. https://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/movies-news-reviews/article248636815.html Edited January 30, 20214 yr by Frmr CLEder
February 1, 20214 yr Vacant space on the ground floor of FEB between Beerhead and Thirsty Dog is planned to be converted into three tenant spaces according to a permit uploaded today. Permit has no mention of tenants (if they have any lined up yet). Edited February 1, 20214 yr by tykaps
February 1, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, tykaps said: Vacant space on the ground floor of FEB between Beerhead and Thirsty Dog is planned to be converted into three tenant spaces according to a permit uploaded today. Permit has no mention of tenants (if they have any lined up yet). It's been so long, what was that space before it was vacant?
February 1, 20214 yr I think it's always been vacant. I believe Rascal Flats were going in there before they went bankrupt. Edited February 1, 20214 yr by RE Developer In Training
February 1, 20214 yr I believe it was originally proposed to be a Toby Keith themed bar/restaurant which was soon followed by a failed Rascal Flatts themed bar/restaurant.
February 1, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, clandman1123 said: I believe it was originally proposed to be a Toby Keith themed bar/restaurant which was soon followed by a failed Rascal Flatts themed bar/restaurant. Toby Keith was supposed to go into the stand alone where Margaritaville is now located.
February 1, 20214 yr That's great---that the space once set for one business will be for three separate ones. Rents will be smaller which makes the business more viable. And if one business fails there wont be one giant space vacant. Less likely that all three would fail at the same time. But more importantly, many small businesses (restaurants and otherwise) vs. a few giant ones is what makes neighborhoods interesting and dynamic and more fun to walk through.
February 1, 20214 yr Is this the same location where ESPN Cleveland is moving? Edited February 1, 20214 yr by downtownjoe verbiage correction
February 1, 20214 yr ^A radio station instead of ground floor retail -- like a coffee shop, restaurant, bar, deli, or other store??? Ugh....where are they moving from? I get why TV stations like ground floors but radio stations don't get that benefit.
February 1, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, Pugu said: ^A radio station instead of ground floor retail -- like a coffee shop, restaurant, bar, deli, or other store??? Ugh....where are they moving from? I get why TV stations like ground floors but radio stations don't get that benefit. I’m all for it because there is no shortage of restaurants down there and I don’t think the area can really support anything other than that really. There is also something about having ESPN sports right there that will make the flats feel even more like a place to go to watch sports (especially for big games where they have a huge screen set up).
February 1, 20214 yr ^Huge screen? I thought "ESPN Cleveland" was a radio station. I guess I'm not really familiar with that this location or concept actually is. Where is it now? Can the public go in a grab a beer? So its more than a regular radio station studio?
February 1, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, Pugu said: ^Huge screen? I thought "ESPN Cleveland" was a radio station. I guess I'm not really familiar with that this location or concept actually is. Where is it now? Can the public go in a grab a beer? So its more than a regular radio station studio? Sorry combined thoughts. The flats (or maybe it's one of the restaurants) usually puts a huge screen out for big games for everyone to gather around to watch (like the Cavs playoff games). I can imagine ESPN Cleveland being outside during those games sort of like what has been done by ESPN on East 4th in the past. Currently they are at Erieview on East 9th.
February 2, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Pugu said: ^A radio station instead of ground floor retail -- like a coffee shop, restaurant, bar, deli, or other store??? Ugh....where are they moving from? I get why TV stations like ground floors but radio stations don't get that benefit. If it’s at all interactive and allows passerbys to peer into a live radio broadcast I think it could be pretty cool. What would be even cooler is if ESPN Cleveland brought their sponsor Union Home Mortgage to the Flats with them 😎
February 2, 20214 yr Reminds me of when Pete Franklin did Sportsline from a booth at the Coliseum before and after Cavs games with fans peering in.
February 2, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, Pugu said: ^A radio station instead of ground floor retail -- like a coffee shop, restaurant, bar, deli, or other store??? Ugh....where are they moving from? I get why TV stations like ground floors but radio stations don't get that benefit. It’s amazing that even this can be seen as a bad thing. Good lord lol. Having the local affiliate of a national brand on the ground floor makes your city look big, makes your city look relevant. One of the biggest sports brands in the country in a big sports town. Now only that, but haven’t you noticed that radio stations are turning their radio content into television content now by putting cameras in their studios? It’s only being done by like most of the biggest shows in the country and by ESPN itself. In a post covid world, it’s also easy to see this area as a rallying place for Cleveland sports fans after games. Stop thinking in a box.
February 2, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, skiwest said: Reminds me of when Pete Franklin did Sportsline from a booth at the Coliseum before and after Cavs games with fans peering in. Tony Kornheiser does a show from a bar in the nice-but-not-trendy Friendship Heights section of Wash DC; the bar and the neighborhood see a lot of busines becuse of it. ESPN will be great for FEB. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 2, 20214 yr It may also be a nod to their discontinued ESPN Zone franchises. With all of the bars & restaurants in the FEB area, they can achieve the same end result without being in the restaurant business themselves.
February 3, 20214 yr On 2/1/2021 at 11:19 PM, inlovewithCLE said: It’s amazing that even this can be seen as a bad thing. Good lord lol. Having the local affiliate of a national brand on the ground floor makes your city look big, makes your city look relevant. One of the biggest sports brands in the country in a big sports town. Now only that, but haven’t you noticed that radio stations are turning their radio content into television content now by putting cameras in their studios? It’s only being done by like most of the biggest shows in the country and by ESPN itself. In a post covid world, it’s also easy to see this area as a rallying place for Cleveland sports fans after games. Stop thinking in a box. I agree with you. Radio stations with street level presence exist on almost every major city (WGN Radio in Chicago, etc), but oh nooooooo, if we do this in Cleveland it would be a disaster...just funny (in a 🤦🏻♂️ kind of way) how some people react to great news like this. Edited February 4, 20214 yr by ragarcia
February 3, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, ragarcia said: I agree with you. Radio stations with street level presence existe on almost every major city (WGN Radio in Chicago, etc), but oh nooooooo, if we do this in Cleveland it would be a disaster...just funny (in a 🤦🏻♂️ kind of way) how some people react to great news like this. It’s really amazing in the befuddlement of some of the reactions Edited February 3, 20214 yr by inlovewithCLE
February 4, 20214 yr I think this is great. I wish more of our local stations had a public presence. Would be awesome if we had a couple of our local TV stations at Playhouse Square with street level studios doing interactive shows with the public. Especially with all the school kids that come to PHS for field trips. Stuff like that is awesome. This is good. Edited February 4, 20214 yr by marty15
February 6, 20214 yr Building permit uploaded today for a restaurant in part of one of the new riverfront buildings. The permit calls it "Flats BBQ"
February 13, 20214 yr New phase fits nicely from East view, we’ve seen a lot of pics from water side but I like how this fits in.
February 13, 20214 yr I wish we could see more development of this scale in the Flats- 3 to 6 stories, small (not a full block) size footprints, smaller retail spaces. I fear the Flats is headed towards being a series of megaprojects. Part of the great feel of the Flats is the fine grained, human scaled nature of the place.
March 5, 20214 yr Author THURSDAY, MARCH 4, 2021 New Flats East Bank tower to be shorter, groundbreaking delayed In addition to a spate of high-rise developments on the horizon, there are also new low- to mid-rise developments just around the corner, too. One of them is a project that was originally proposed to be a mid- to high-rise building. Instead, a mixed-use building representing the first salvo for the second half of the Flats East Bank development will be reduced from 11 or 12 stories down to seven or eight stories. And, as NEOtrans learned this week, its construction timeline will be pushed back by about five or six months. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/03/new-flats-east-bank-tower-to-be-shorter.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 5, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: THURSDAY, MARCH 4, 2021 New Flats East Bank tower to be shorter, groundbreaking delayed In addition to a spate of high-rise developments on the horizon, there are also new low- to mid-rise developments just around the corner, too. One of them is a project that was originally proposed to be a mid- to high-rise building. Instead, a mixed-use building representing the first salvo for the second half of the Flats East Bank development will be reduced from 11 or 12 stories down to seven or eight stories. And, as NEOtrans learned this week, its construction timeline will be pushed back by about five or six months. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/03/new-flats-east-bank-tower-to-be-shorter.html Well, that's disappointing. I knew we lost the cinema, but now a shorter bldg with fewer units......The previous plan was 325 units--any idea how many there will be under this version? Happy to see the street-level retail kept.
March 5, 20214 yr Author Not necessarily fewer units. There could be even more units if they fill out the entire parking lot with 6 stories of residential over first-floor retail and a second-floor parking level as the first apartment building was built. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 5, 20214 yr Although disappointing from a height perspective, this is probably more realistic to build from a financing perspective and is more likely to get more residents in that area sooner.
March 5, 20214 yr They were at 11-12 stories before- couldn’t they have actually tried adding a few stories and tried for a TMUD credit? End of the day, the most important thing is the design’s effectiveness and appeal. This isn’t the typical area to move to - though it offers a vibey unique setting, it has some challenges in terms of access to typical neighborhood offerings. The higher floors would’ve probably been an easy sell on the market. Whatever it is, the new design better be pretty compelling.
March 5, 20214 yr If it's anything like other Kenect designs don't count it. Nothing but bland on bland. Take a look at the original plans for the Flats East Bank. Now that was something to get excited about. The Kenect version? I don't know how they stay in business.
March 5, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, gg707 said: Although disappointing from a height perspective, this is probably more realistic to build from a financing perspective and is more likely to get more residents in that area sooner. Tbh - height in the Flats won't add much to the skyline anyways, as it's already 80'-100'ish lower than the rest of Downtown, so I'm not too disappointed.
March 5, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, YABO713 said: Tbh - height in the Flats won't add much to the skyline anyways, as it's already 80'-100'ish lower than the rest of Downtown, so I'm not too disappointed. I think of it in terms of density--whether population density or economic density (like jobs) or activity density (shops, restaurants, people walking around, etc.)----given a piece of land say 500' feet along any street---the higher you go, the more residents/office workers, etc. you can place on that piece of land. So, yes, bldg heights in The Flats may not impact the skyline, but it will impact density, which will in turn impact how lively the area is and how safe and interesting it is.
March 10, 20214 yr ^Looks great. I really hope they can take advantage of the summer and get opened by June 1
March 10, 20214 yr When I was last in Cleveland (Summer 2019), it was so enjoyable to walk through the FEB, grab lunch, a few cocktails and watch the activity on the river. This will just expand the experience. It was a dramatic difference from the Flats of the 1970s-80s. I do miss Sammy's though. Edited March 10, 20214 yr by Frmr CLEder
March 10, 20214 yr I hadn't noticed from pictures/renderings but in person I saw that there are garage-door-style windows on the second story as well as the first. I'm a huge fan of this and hereby formally declare dibs on a table in that corner. (Picture is about a month old FYI, taken from the boardwalk side of the building)
March 10, 20214 yr I'm a simple man. I see a wall that opens up, I'm happy. These are way more impactful than they originally looked like they'd be. I love the variety they offer and that the scale is very different than what we already have in FEB. That variety is critical to making it not feel like one mega development and gives it room for adaptability as trends and design changes over time.
March 16, 20214 yr Question: is there/has there ever been a plan to extend the flats boardwalk to Settler's Landing? I would love that! There's already a few cool things on Old River road, and I imagine extending the boardwalk would only help them to flourish. Maybe as a Flats East Bank phase 5?
March 16, 20214 yr 13 hours ago, Ethan said: Question: is there/has there ever been a plan to extend the flats boardwalk to Settler's Landing? I would love that! There's already a few cool things on Old River road, and I imagine extending the boardwalk would only help them to flourish. Maybe as a Flats East Bank phase 5? Great idea. Between highways, train tracks and surface parking lots, downtown sometimes feel like a collection of tiny areas instead of a big downtown. The more the pieces are connected the better.
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