September 20, 20213 yr would someone care to lay out what they mean by more development? any guesses what may come directly next up to the plate and what is in the batter's box? more housing i hope??
September 20, 20213 yr Whatever happened to phase 3b Kenner? It was supposed to break ground - like 3 years ago.
September 20, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, mrnyc said: would someone care to lay out what they mean by more development? any guesses what may come directly next up to the plate and what is in the batter's box? more housing i hope?? More housing and retail. They missed the Early 2021 time frame but here's the future development they're talking about: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/10/flats-east-bank-to-begin-massive-new.html
September 20, 20213 yr Thanks @tykapsfor reprising @KJP's NeoTrans on East Bank development.. And according to the Sept 19 article by Michelle Jarboe, Wolstein says that construction of one of those new apartment buildings - at West 11th - could start by the end of the year? Wow - didn't expect that - but love it! Wonder if its one of those 12 story-ish towers with micro apartments.
September 20, 20213 yr Author 5 hours ago, CleveFan said: Thanks @tykapsfor reprising @KJP's NeoTrans on East Bank development.. And according to the Sept 19 article by Michelle Jarboe, Wolstein says that construction of one of those new apartment buildings - at West 11th - could start by the end of the year? Wow - didn't expect that - but love it! Wonder if its one of those 12 story-ish towers with micro apartments. Wolstein and Akara propose to build probably 8 stories stories with a ground-breaking perhaps in perhaps in December. Need to get something on the planning commission docket soon though. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 20, 20213 yr Hope this is finally true. Wolstein has blurted out a number of supposed concrete start dates for this lot the past few years.
September 20, 20213 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: Wolstein and Akara propose to build probably 8 stories stories with a ground-breaking perhaps in perhaps in December. Need to get something on the planning commission docket soon though. With going from the last report of 11 floors to now 8 floors for this project, I can see losing one or maybe two floors without the movie theater, but what else are we losing or downsizing? Per the current Kenect website: Kenect Cleveland will house its 325 residential units, a 48,000 SF Cinema and 22,000 SF of ground floor retail within a single 12-story building. Kenect Cleveland will feature signature Kenect amenities as well as 25,000 SF of Kenect coworking space. https://www.akarapartners.com/projects . Edited September 20, 20213 yr by Larry1962 More details and link
September 20, 20213 yr Author Wolstein confirmed in my article last March the cinema wouldn't be part of the project..... https://neo-trans.blog/new-flats-east-bank-tower-to-be-shorter-groundbreaking-delayed/03/05/2021/ The retail component is also going to be smaller. I hope to be able to share more details soon in a new article. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 20, 20213 yr Author Incoming..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 20, 20213 yr Author Flats East Bank plans reveal $84 million project By Ken Prendergast / September 20, 2021 The next phase of development at Flats East Bank has undergone some refining in the last couple of years as the pandemic and technological advances have affected the real estate market. Although the plan was always to build a mixed-use but residential-focused structure, this next phase (dubbed by some as Phase 3B), has been pruned somewhat. With an early construction cost estimate of $84.4 million and a project size of 213,376 square feet, Kenect Cleveland is still a significant project. The seven-story building is proposed to have 229 market-rate apartments above three levels of parking with 229 spaces, plus 10,000 square feet of ground-floor retail and a leasing office of 5,000 square feet. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2021/09/20/flats-east-bank-plans-reveal-84-million-project/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 20213 yr I’m actually glad that the FEB never got built as one mega project. The different projects at different times allows for various designs to be put forth creating a much more organic feeling neighborhood versus a Pinecrest or Legacy Village.
September 21, 20213 yr It’s a bit scaled down from what we thought we might see - but it’s still a really nice project that will continue the contemporary look and positive energy that the .E&Y Tower anchors in that FEB neighborhood. The building looks modern and higher-end - I really like it. The death of yet another parking lot downtown is a victory in itself. I also think the Junior one bedrooms will be more attractive than micro apartments. It’s great to see that more residents will soon be coming to the FEB - and seeing brand new residential buildings downtown is really satisfying. Edited September 21, 20213 yr by CleveFan
September 21, 20213 yr @KJPthanks for the article. Are the developers also vying for the TMUD? If so is the development based on that?
September 21, 20213 yr Author 6 hours ago, cle_guy90 said: @KJPthanks for the article. Are the developers also vying for the TMUD? If so is the development based on that? The project is too small for a TMUD. It would have to be at least 15 stories tall or 350,000 square feet...unless it was a phase of construction physically connected to later phases that, in total, meets that criteria. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 20213 yr It's sort of a relief to see that a newly announced project is too small for TMUD because it likely means the thing has real legs to stand on, not just a wish and a prayer for huge state subsidy.
September 21, 20213 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: The project is too small for a TMUD. It would have to be at least 15 stories tall or 350,000 square feet...unless it was a phase of construction physically connected to later phases that, in total, meets that criteria. If the downsizing stops them from seeking a TMUD credit, I see that as a major win. We’ve already got way more developers chasing down the credit than could possibly get one. Lovely design for the project. Will scale really well with the area.
September 21, 20213 yr 27 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: If the downsizing stops them from seeking a TMUD credit, I see that as a major win. We’ve already got way more developers chasing down the credit than could possibly get one. Lovely design for the project. Will scale really well with the area.r You know people keep saying this but I can only think of 4 Cleveland projects that are realistically in a position to seek a TMUD credit currently. 1. Nucleus 2. Centennial 3. Bridgeworks 4. 45 Erieview (maybe according to a Ken blog post) Maybe Circle Square which is already under construction. All others seem too conceptual at this point to be considered by the state at this point. There is probably a better thread for this discussion.
September 21, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, Htsguy said: You know people keep saying this but I can only think of 4 Cleveland projects that are realistically in a position to seek a TMUD credit currently. 1. Nucleus 2. Centennial 3. Bridgeworks 4. 45 Erieview (maybe according to a Ken blog post) Maybe Circle Square which is already under construction. All others seem too conceptual at this point to be considered by the state at this point. There is probably a better thread for this discussion. *in Cleveland. There are other projects across the state.
September 21, 20213 yr 15 hours ago, KJP said: Flats East Bank plans reveal $84 million project By Ken Prendergast / September 20, 2021 The next phase of development at Flats East Bank has undergone some refining in the last couple of years as the pandemic and technological advances have affected the real estate market. Although the plan was always to build a mixed-use but residential-focused structure, this next phase (dubbed by some as Phase 3B), has been pruned somewhat. With an early construction cost estimate of $84.4 million and a project size of 213,376 square feet, Kenect Cleveland is still a significant project. The seven-story building is proposed to have 229 market-rate apartments above three levels of parking with 229 spaces, plus 10,000 square feet of ground-floor retail and a leasing office of 5,000 square feet. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/flats-east-bank-plans-reveal-84-million-project/09/20/2021/ Is anyone else having trouble with the link to Ken's article? https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
September 21, 20213 yr Author 3 minutes ago, Firenze98 said: Is anyone else having trouble with the link to Ken's article? My wife is working on the site right now. Please check back around lunch time. And I responded to @Htsguyhere...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 20213 yr Author Links to the last three articles had to be fixed. They should work now (I changed them here in their original UO postings as well). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 13, 20213 yr Wow--I had thought for some reason, it was just going to be three restaurants---that's a good bunch of places and types of places. Will be a great addition to the Flats.
October 21, 20213 yr I'll just add, the framing is up for the electric sign board out front, it's going to be atrocious. Take the wins with the losses haha
October 22, 20213 yr holy mackeral gis -- did you catch the magic hour and the angles there or wat?! beautiful. and the first pano pic actually stunned me.
January 4, 20223 yr Interesting purchase by the Cleveland Metroparks https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1290-Old-River-Rd-Cleveland-OH/24284570/?siteid=5078 Cleveland Metroparks lands riverfront site for nearly $3 million https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-metroparks-lands-riverfront-site-nearly-3-million
January 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: Interesting purchase by the Cleveland Metroparks https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1290-Old-River-Rd-Cleveland-OH/24284570/?siteid=5078 Cleveland Metroparks lands riverfront site for nearly $3 million https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-metroparks-lands-riverfront-site-nearly-3-million what horrible news. We don't need green space there--we need to build up a vibrant commercial district. Can the city fight this on the ground of zoning violation? Metroparks is out of line here.
January 4, 20223 yr Just now, Pugu said: what horrible news. We don't need green space there--we need to build up a vibrant commercial district. Can the city fight this on the ground of zoning violation? Metroparks is out of line here. Also there is already green space about a couple hundred feet to the south all the way to settler's landing. too much green is BAD for the city. This is really $hitty news.
January 4, 20223 yr This forum has not had a post since late October. Are the 3 fish schacks complete and open for business?
January 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, MuRrAy HiLL said: Interesting purchase by the Cleveland Metroparks https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1290-Old-River-Rd-Cleveland-OH/24284570/?siteid=5078 Cleveland Metroparks lands riverfront site for nearly $3 million https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-metroparks-lands-riverfront-site-nearly-3-million Could we get a pedestrian bridge across the river here now, please?
January 4, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Luke_S said: Could we get a pedestrian bridge across the river here now, please? This. This make sense-- spend $3M towards a very needed pedestrian bridge--not making an urban and dense area with plenty of greenspace nearby less urban and less dense. seems like Metroparks is on some kind of land acquisition power spree and can't stop before ruining its own good name.
January 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Pugu said: This. This make sense-- spend $3M towards a very needed pedestrian bridge--not making an urban and dense area with plenty of greenspace nearby less urban and less dense. seems like Metroparks is on some kind of land acquisition power spree and can't stop before ruining its own good name. They're going to continue to operate the parking lot for now. They didn't specify what the end goal was beside maintaining public access to the river front. I think it's a bit premature to get worked up just yet.
January 4, 20223 yr I've yet to find this mythical city that suffers from too much greenspace... but whatever. For anyone who is a fan of the metroparks work you can donate here. https://www.clevelandmetroparks.com/parks/support/donate You can also choose to donate to specific areas such as trails, land conservation, or certain geographic areas. Personally, I think everything the metroparks touches turns to gold, so I'm glad to see them buying more waterfront land, and I think they're well worth supporting.
January 4, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Pugu said: too much green is BAD for the city. This is really $hitty news. Typical overreaction and Chicken Little mentality. I think Metroparks has done enough right to earn the benefit of the doubt.
January 4, 20223 yr Did the Crains article state what the Metroparks plan is for the land? Some of us might be jumping the gun a bit; I truly doubt that the Metroparks is planning a park for this lot. Edit: I think this is the ONE TIME I’ve seen people mad about losing a parking lot- kidding but not kidding. Edited January 4, 20223 yr by Oldmanladyluck
January 4, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, Pugu said: what horrible news. We don't need green space there--we need to build up a vibrant commercial district. Can the city fight this on the ground of zoning violation? Metroparks is out of line here. "Green space" is a pretty generic term. I will withhold judgment until seeing what they're actually planning on doing here. There's lots of stuff that could be done to attract and activate the riverfront, benefiting nearby businesses and the feel of the area. I highly doubt Metroparks is just gonna tear up the pavement and plant grass. The article makes me think their main goal is probably creating a new docking/boarding area for the water taxis so they can increase service. There are also several acres of undeveloped parking lots with no active plans within a quarter-mile radius of this parcel, and that doesn't include the other side of the river. And I think some of the buildings across the street from this parcel are vacant--they at least look vacant even if they're not. I just see no reason to get worked up about this.
January 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Oldmanladyluck said: Did the Crains article state what the Metroparks plan is for the land? Some of us might be jumping the gun a bit; I truly doubt that the Metroparks is planning a park for this lot. Edit: I think this is the ONE TIME I’ve seen people mad about losing a parking lot- kidding but not kidding. The article states: "[Jacqueline L. Gerling, a Metroparks spokeswoman] said the Metroparks system plans to continue to operate the parking lot." Just FYI if you're a cuyahoga county resident create an free online account with the county library and then create a free account with crains cleveland using the following link: https://www.cuyahogalibrary.org/Borrow/Digital-Collection/eMagazines-News.aspx
January 4, 20223 yr @LlamaLawyer posted what I was thinking. I was going to propose a water taxi hub building and docks with service to: Dike 14 (and later the new Gordon Park Island) Burke North Coast Harber/First Energy Stadium Wendy Park/Coast Guard Station Flats West/Nautica Irishtown Bend Park Tower City Brewer Peninsula (FKA Scranton Peninsula) Flats South Tremont Then add a couple retail spots on the first floor and a glassed-in restaurant on the second floor with a view of the river, and you're done. Ahoy!
January 4, 20223 yr I absolutely love the idea of water taxi's making multiple stops along the riverfront and lake but it will take at least a decade and probably more to develop the density required to make those stops viable. It could happen though and wouldn't that be something? If any of you have taken the Baltimore water taxi's you know what a great way to explore the area they are. What makes them work is either existing neighborhoods (Fell's Point) or newer development all along the harbor. In other words - density. We have the makings of interesting stops if developed properly but that's still a long way off. I've always thought that to make a place stand out it has to capitalize on what makes it distinctive. We have a lake AND a remarkably curving river that demand attention. We need to exploit those assets. Through in lighted bridges and we create a real draw. One that could pump significant money into the city in the form of visitors, new businesses and new residents. Downtown is coming along and University Circle is a real gem but doing the lake and river right would be a real calling card. It could put us on the map nationally and help to change our image from downtrodden to a destination.
January 4, 20223 yr I'd like to see a riverfront boardwalk / trail connecting Settler's Landing to FEB. I'm hoping this is one of the reason the MetroParks acquired this property, as it is a crucial central link in the chain. They'll have to work with the nearby restaurants, but it will be easier to bridge two small gaps than one large one. I'd also like to see more pedestrian traffic on Old River Front (expanding the FEB scene southward). This property is a good location for a pedestrian connection between Old River Road and a potential Boardwalk as it is basically flat here, and could serve to blend the FEB area into what will eventually be the larger Canal Basin Park area. I'm not sure what the MetroParks will do here, but there are several interesting options, and I trust that the MetroParks has Cleveland's best interest in mind.
January 4, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, Ethan said: I'd like to see a riverfront boardwalk / trail connecting Settler's Landing to FEB. I'm hoping this is one of the reason the MetroParks acquired this property, as it is a crucial central link in the chain. They'll have to work with the nearby restaurants, but it will be easier to bridge two small gaps than one large one. I'd also like to see more pedestrian traffic on Old River Front (expanding the FEB scene southward). This property is a good location for a pedestrian connection between Old River Road and a potential Boardwalk as it is basically flat here, and could serve to blend the FEB area into what will eventually be the larger Canal Basin Park area. I'm not sure what the MetroParks will do here, but there are several interesting options, and I trust that the MetroParks has Cleveland's best interest in mind. I posted this image a few weeks ago, but the riverfront boardwalk/trail is definitely part of the plan.
January 4, 20223 yr I just wish they would finally finish Canal Basin Park. It seems to be taking forever. I am guessing the slow pace is due to $$.
January 4, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, acd said: I posted this image a few weeks ago, but the riverfront boardwalk/trail is definitely part of the plan. Is there a project or vision/plan with more potential impact on the city than this? Maybe the Lakefront long-term, but this feels much closer to being reality, with more pieces in place already.
January 6, 20223 yr Canal Basin Park circa 1910. The tallest building in the background is the Rockefeller Building. Western Reserve Building is just in front of it.
January 11, 20223 yr Author Samsel Supply in Flats sells to developer By Ken Prendergast / January 10, 2022 In a few years, a group of 100- to 150-year-old Samsel Supply Co. buildings on both sides of Old River Road on downtown Cleveland’s Flats East Bank, could gain new life, according to several real estate sources. The reason is that Cleveland-based GBX Group LLC, doing business through several affiliates created for the ownership of these properties, acquired the five buildings and intends to redesign at least one of them — possibly significantly. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/01/10/samsel-supply-in-flats-sells-to-developer/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 11, 20223 yr This is excellent news. This is the missing piece to really turning east bank into a dynamic neighborhood. I can't wait to see the end uses. GBX does some great work. My hope is that they have multiple partners and that not all of these buildings will fall under their 2021 Investment Fund. Typically they have about 10 properties per fund, and only a handful actually get re-developed initially. I would be surprised if all these fall within the 2021 fund though as they tend to spread there bets geographically per fund. We'll see!
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