October 31, 2024Oct 31 6 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said: From last nights Cavs broadcast *this could probably fit in a couple threads* I seriously thought that was grass.
November 22, 2024Nov 22 Glad to see Samsel progressing as well as the restaurant across the street. Wasn't sure what the status of the restaurant was with all the George family litigation going on. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/apartment-conversion-samsel-supply-building-cleveland-flats-gains-steam "The conversion of the five-floor Samsel Supply Co. store and warehouse building at 1235 Old River Road in Cleveland’s Flats into 100 apartments has gained state aid while another real estate company, RHM Real Estate Group of Lyndhurst, has joined the development team." "George said his efforts on Old River are focused on two buildings across the street from Samsel’s. Those will become the Riverview Garden he unveiled last spring which will demolish one building and crack open another to maximize Cuyahoga River and Lake Erie views. Some of the state brownfield grant may aid that project, according to the news release announcing it from Gov. Mike DeWine and the Department of Development."
November 22, 2024Nov 22 I had always hoped that Samsel could stick around and orient themeselves as a local hardware store. Not the entire building, but just on the ground floors, with residential conversion upstairs. I suppose the neighborhood residential numbers would need to be a lot higher for that to have worked out.
November 22, 2024Nov 22 2 hours ago, surfohio said: I had always hoped that Samsel could stick around and orient themeselves as a local hardware store. Not the entire building, but just on the ground floors, with residential conversion upstairs. I suppose the neighborhood residential numbers would need to be a lot higher for that to have worked out. Unfortunately, the residential that is around the Flats and Downtown is mostly rental apartments- not big hardware buyers.
December 11, 2024Dec 11 Author Samsel Supply buildings get historic tax credits "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 19Feb 19 Latest phase Boardwalk Fish shacks up for auction. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/we-follow-through/riverfront-retail-buildings-at-the-flats-east-bank-project-are-up-for-auction-this-week
February 19Feb 19 1 hour ago, simplythis said: Latest phase Boardwalk Fish shacks up for auction. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/we-follow-through/riverfront-retail-buildings-at-the-flats-east-bank-project-are-up-for-auction-this-week Good news out of this: "Forward Hospitality Group, the company behind Hi 5, Glamper and the two country-themed bars, isn’t going anywhere. Bobby Rutter, the group’s chief operating officer, said all four brands have long-term leases and will be part of the Flats for many years. “The auction doesn’t affect our businesses at all,” Rutter wrote in an email. At Welcome to the Farm and I Hate Cowboys, general manager Anthony Grace can’t wait for the seasonal thaw. Winter is slow in the Flats, but traffic picks up in mid-March with St. Patrick’s Day – and keeps climbing. On Friday and Saturday nights, there’s often a line out the door, hundreds of people deep."
February 20Feb 20 Cleveland International Fund to take over. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/lender-to-take-over-the-newest-piece-of-the-flats-east-bank-project-after-auction
March 2Mar 2 Author 3 hours ago, Geowizical said: Anyone know why there's a massive drilling machine in the roundabout in the FEB? Because FEB2-Ver2 is in the works. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 3Mar 3 5 hours ago, KJP said: Because FEB2-Ver2 is in the works. Allow me to translate Ken's cryptic message. "FEB2-Ver2" could be code language for either digging a new shipping channel or a highway tunnel to replace the Main Ave bridge. Or, construction of the skyline changing hotel. .....Ok, the last part is a joke. Edited March 3Mar 3 by DO_Summers
March 3Mar 3 58 minutes ago, DO_Summers said: Allow me to translate Ken's cryptic message. "FEB2-Ver2" could be code language for either digging a new shipping channel or a highway tunnel to replace the Main Ave bridge. Or, construction of the skyline changing hotel. .....Ok, the last part is a joke. 58 minutes ago, DO_Summers said: Allow me to translate Ken's cryptic message. "FEB2-Ver2" could be code language for either digging a new shipping channel or a highway tunnel to replace the Main Ave bridge. Or, construction of the skyline changing hotel. .....Ok, the last part is a joke. How about adding an urban format Sheetz gas station - now that would add life to the area!
March 3Mar 3 Author 3 hours ago, DO_Summers said: Allow me to translate Ken's cryptic message. "FEB2-Ver2" could be code language for either digging a new shipping channel or a highway tunnel to replace the Main Ave bridge. Or, construction of the skyline changing hotel. .....Ok, the last part is a joke. The translation is that Flats East Bank phase 2 (actually, it's probably phase 3b), another version of unknown design is in the works. And now I think it's the 3rd design concept. There have been rumors it could be be taller than Ver1 or Ver2. So I guess that would be FEB3b-Ver3! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 3Mar 3 Is there a planning document for FEB that can be referenced regarding the various phases? From what I could tell the location of the drilling machine was not on a developable plot of land (essentially on the Lake House restaurant property) so I'm curious what it's doing in that particular spot and not say, the large surface lot in between FEB and the Aloft... Edited March 3Mar 3 by Geowizical
March 3Mar 3 Author Given the location of the drilling rig, it could be for The Tony George Memorial Billboard next to the Shoreway bridge. https://neo-trans.blog/2024/04/05/cleveland-planners-ok-150-foot-tall-billboard-in-flats/ And here's the phasing plan for the FEB. Obviously not everything in phase 3 is going to be built all at once and, so far, only the riverfront restaurant stuff has. So that's 3A. The parking lot between Phase 1 and 2 is 3B. And the rest of the Phase 3 stuff along the railroad tracks is TBD. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 3Mar 3 10 hours ago, KJP said: The translation is that Flats East Bank phase 2 (actually, it's probably phase 3b), another version of unknown design is in the works. And now I think it's the 3rd design concept. There have been rumors it could be be taller than Ver1 or Ver2. So I guess that would be FEB3b-Ver3! Is it a revision of the last concept that built on the parking lots across from the WFL? Never mind you mentioned it's a billboard. Edited March 3Mar 3 by MyPhoneDead
March 3Mar 3 Ahhh yes the billboard., that would makes total sense Well if that's the case, silver lining: I suppose that means we're one step closer to demolishing the monstrosity at Detroit and W25th lol
March 3Mar 3 3 hours ago, KJP said: Given the location of the drilling rig, it could be for The Tony George Memorial Billboard next to the Shoreway bridge. https://neo-trans.blog/2024/04/05/cleveland-planners-ok-150-foot-tall-billboard-in-flats/ And here's the phasing plan for the FEB. Obviously not everything in phase 3 is going to be built all at once and, so far, only the riverfront restaurant stuff has. So that's 3A. The parking lot between Phase 1 and 2 is 3B. And the rest of the Phase 3 stuff along the railroad tracks is TBD. What phase is the skyline-changing billboard?
March 3Mar 3 Author 3 hours ago, TMart said: What phase is the skyline-changing billboard? Phase F-U. 😉 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 11Mar 11 You can now see the billboard pole while driving across the bridge. It is so close to the roadway, I can't believe this is legal. I could easily see it causing an accident or 2 from distracted drivers on a portion of road that has a lot of entrance/exit ramps and backups.
March 11Mar 11 1 hour ago, PlanCleveland said: You can now see the billboard pole while driving across the bridge. It is so close to the roadway, I can't believe this is legal. I could easily see it causing an accident or 2 from distracted drivers on a portion of road that has a lot of entrance/exit ramps and backups. It better have a windshield wiper to keep it clean in the winter.
March 11Mar 11 12 minutes ago, OldEnough said: It better have a windshield wiper to keep it clean in the winter. Maybe it will become a George family paintball target?
March 17Mar 17 https://www.crainscleveland.com/restaurants/lost-river-open-flats-east-bank-may Lost on the River to bring 'big city feel' to Flats East Bank New bar from Ethos Hospitality Group (owned by the one-and-only, the infamous Bobby George) taking over parts of the former Jade spot, using the rooftop as the main area. Lost Social Club on W 6th is open September to May, Lost on the River will be open the flip months during the summer, May to September. The new concept will open this May. And of course, an obligatory line at the end of the article to remind you George has been charged with many felonies and that he has denied them. Edited March 17Mar 17 by Geowizical
March 20Mar 20 3.5m funding removed for Bobby's east bank development plans. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2025/03/ohio-lawmakers-pass-11b-transportation-budget-that-seeks-repeal-of-strongsville-brunswick-interchange-mandate.html?outputType=amp Quote The new transportation budget would also revoke $3.5 million in state assistance that lawmakers offered last year to George’s plan to build a three-building restaurant and entertainment complex on the east bank of the Flats, near the mouth of the Cuyahoga River. However, George was charged last August in Cleveland Municipal Court with several domestic violence-related crimes involving a woman, including attempted murder, rape, and kidnapping. The case was bound over to a Cuyahoga County grand jury, but a special prosecutor, Jane Hanlin, has yet to bring an indictment. Fortney stated that based on the “legal proceedings against George, “the Senate decided that it was wise to reverse the appropriation.” George, asked to comment via text message, replied, “I will get my money one way or another, and the project will move forward and be better than ever. “These politicians are a joke and have no clue what it takes to make anything work in the real world,” George continued. “I have beaten everyone and everything that has ever come against me in a dominating fashion, and I am looking forward to giving these losers a spanking if I need to.”
March 20Mar 20 1 minute ago, downtownjoe said: I have beaten everyone and everything that has ever come against me in a dominating fashion, and I am looking forward to giving these losers a spanking if I need to. Lmao did he forget what he was charged for? Blink twice if you don't have a (competent) PR team... 👀
March 20Mar 20 3 minutes ago, X said: Jeez! That's a real quote? The guy is just such a piece of work. I usually don't post news articles but I couldn't stop myself after reading that quote.
March 20Mar 20 5 minutes ago, X said: Jeez! That's a real quote? The guy is just such a piece of work. Right?!? I had to go check the original article myself to make sure @downtownjoe wasn’t winding us all up! Seems like Bobby George has spent a little too much time fantasizing he’s the young DJT from “The Apprentice” (movie, not reality show). Edited March 20Mar 20 by brtshrcegr
March 20Mar 20 37 minutes ago, downtownjoe said: 3.5m funding removed for Bobby's east bank development plans. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2025/03/ohio-lawmakers-pass-11b-transportation-budget-that-seeks-repeal-of-strongsville-brunswick-interchange-mandate.html?outputType=amp State lawmakers writing this quote down for future reference Edited March 20Mar 20 by MyPhoneDead
March 20Mar 20 1 hour ago, downtownjoe said: 3.5m funding removed for Bobby's east bank development plans. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2025/03/ohio-lawmakers-pass-11b-transportation-budget-that-seeks-repeal-of-strongsville-brunswick-interchange-mandate.html?outputType=amp He seems nice…
March 20Mar 20 1 hour ago, downtownjoe said: I usually don't post news articles but I couldn't stop myself after reading that quote. Wait, so someone charged with "domestic violence-related crimes involving a woman, including attempted murder, rape, and kidnapping" actually said: "I have beaten everyone and everything that has ever come against me in a dominating fashion, and I am looking forward to giving these losers a spanking if I need to"!!! Such a winner!
April 17Apr 17 Author A replacement for Beerhead was quickly found.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 17Apr 17 I think this is pretty good news, they will do well there. I had previously heard a rumor that Alley Cat is going to close and hopefully that is not the case. I feel like the Flats overall needs some new life and someone who really cares about the area to manage and maintain it... it's all over the place right now.
April 17Apr 17 1 hour ago, mrclifton88 said: I think this is pretty good news, they will do well there. I had previously heard a rumor that Alley Cat is going to close and hopefully that is not the case. I feel like the Flats overall needs some new life and someone who really cares about the area to manage and maintain it... it's all over the place right now. It's a one dimensional district. Or at least perceived as one dimensional. Does anyone know...can you get breakfast there?
April 17Apr 17 36 minutes ago, surfohio said: It's a one dimensional district. Or at least perceived as one dimensional. Does anyone know...can you get breakfast there? Punchbowl, Alleycat, and Lindy’s all have brunch. Cocky’s is open every day at 7:30. I wouldn’t be surprised if a couple others do as well. I wouldn’t disagree with the perception of it as one note, but I can’t think of a more diverse entertainment district in Cleveland. Games and bowling at punchbowl, a variety of food options, a sports bar at ESPN, several different places for live music, rooftop bars at Glamper and Margaritaville. Country music, EDM, disco. If Alleycat goes, it’s certainly a loss - but it’s been open for about a decade. Hard to say that wasn’t a success.
April 17Apr 17 2 hours ago, surfohio said: It's a one dimensional district. Or at least perceived as one dimensional. Does anyone know...can you get breakfast there? Cocky's Bagels is open from 7:30am all the way to 2am. The 27 Club (MGK cafe) opens at 7am and has a large menu as well. Google is free 😉
April 17Apr 17 The mix of establishments is not bad at all, I think there is definitely (like everywhere else downtown) a maintenance and aesthetics issue. Developing the surface lot would be great for making it feel more connected.
April 17Apr 17 27 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: The mix of establishments is not bad at all, I think there is definitely (like everywhere else downtown) a maintenance and aesthetics issue. Developing the surface lot would be great for making it feel more connected. I think the surface lot development is part of “phase 3” or Kenect, which Ken teased in an article earlier this year (towards the end) Link Edit: I guess it’s not 2024 anymore! So that’s an article from last year
April 17Apr 17 ^I was just about to post about this haha. But the article is actually from January 2024. @KJP, any updates? I'm assuming not, else we probably would've heard something a year on...
April 17Apr 17 Author 1 hour ago, Geowizical said: ^I was just about to post about this haha. But the article is actually from January 2024. @KJP, any updates? I'm assuming not, else we probably would've heard something a year on... You mean 2021! https://neo-trans.blog/2021/09/20/flats-east-bank-plans-reveal-84-million-project/ Yes, the project still has a pulse. It may grow taller but I don't know if it will move forward or not. If it does, I'll write about it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 20Apr 20 If anyone wants to start a Flats Nightlife Memories thread somewhere feel free. But that's not what this thread is for.
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