I don't know if anybody else caught this but Channel 3 News gave a very brief glimpse of the rendering during its 11 pm broadcast last night.  Previewing the upcoming segment just before commercial, the rendering flashed on the screen.  Then, after the commercial they had a segment on it and talked as if they were showing the rendering but only video of the present state of FEB was shown (i.e. the building that were to be demolished this week).... no rendering.  My guess is that Channel 3 got an earful from somebody during the commercials that caused them to not show the rendering during the full segment.... unbeknownst to the anchors.

 

Nevertheless, luckily I was watching on my DVR cable box and was able to rewind and freeze.  The rendering, as expected, is the same in all material aspects as was posted on here a month or so ago but with the architechtural details included.  The office tower seems like a mix between 55 Public Sq and Mayday's April fool's Erieview renovation.  Very glassy (shiny) with horizontal window rows.  Most of the rest of the development is in the brick style that we saw in earlier renderings. 

 

Probably not as dense as some would have liked, but probably more aesthetically pleasing to those that will actually want (and can afford) to live there than what people on here desire from an urban planning standpoint.

McCleveland, I think I love you!

 

Sorry MTS I am engaged to a woman. :lol:

 

um.....I meant in a brotherly kinda way...... :|  he he he

In the early 1990's Peter Lewis of Progressive had plans drawn up for a mega tower to be built on Mall C. It was to be taller than Key Tower and was of a very unique design much like the building at CWRU. There was a huge reflecting pool and some other much small building (an art gallery comes to mind) with a giant C-Clamp on it's roof. No Joke. I think the achitects where Kohn, Pedersen & Fox from New York. I don't think this ever made the media. I was at a different firm at the time and saw the plans. It was at the time the City was having the new Willard Park Garage designed. The Lewis tower had to be taken into considereation for the garage design. Obviously this tower was never built or even announced. I have no idea why. I didn't mention it in my list of projects that never happened because it was never publically annonced. But, since someone mentioned Progressive I decided to.

Just like I'm still waiting for the second Cleveland Trust Tower(1971), The office tower on the site of the Hippodrome(1980), the 668 Euclid project (90's), Anthony Ashers World Trade Center (1973 or so), Sherwin-Williams Tower (1980 or so) the hotel just north of Jacob Field (late 90's) and all of the projects I mentioned in earlier posts. Yes, I sound negative, but let's look at the track record, most projects don't get built. I got excited about every one of those.

 

I don't know what the percentage is nationwide but this happens just about everywhere. Oh silly me, I forgot, only in Cleveland.

In the early 1990's Peter Lewis of Progressive had plans drawn up for a mega tower to be built on Mall C. It was to be taller than Key Tower and was of a very unique design much like the building at CWRU. There was a huge reflecting pool and some other much small building (an art gallery comes to mind) with a giant C-Clamp on it's roof. No Joke. I think the achitects where Kohn, Pedersen & Fox from New York. I don't think this ever made the media. I was at a different firm at the time and saw the plans. It was at the time the City was having the new Willard Park Garage designed. The Lewis tower had to be taken into considereation for the garage design. Obviously this tower was never built or even announced. I have no idea why. I didn't mention it in my list of projects that never happened because it was never publically annonced. But, since someone mentioned Progressive I decided to.

 

There are many, many, many reasons progressive was built out in the suburbs and not down here... and I don't have the time to rehash it all here.  Again there are HUGE differences between a proposal and an actual project.  This IS a project.

Based on my primitive analysis on google maps, the current E&Y building is 0.4 miles from E 4th St.  The new proposed location is 0.4. miles from W 6th St.  So you're no farther away from dining options than before.

 

And something tells me that someone who likes to make money will put in a restaurant or other business in this new development to appeal to the already large number of residents in the area and to accomodate the new population of professionals/residents who are moving in.  And maybe someone - at a company that provides support on "Assurance, Tax, Transactions and Advisory" - will be sharp enough to put an ATM in your office building so that employees can do most of their banking there.  I know I do 98% of all my banking at the ATM in my building's lobby...

 

 

Jimbo, for information about the Progressive tower, visit my site http://www.clevelandskyscrapers.com/cleveland/unbuilt08.html. It's been on my site for well over a year and a simple Google search would give you all the answers you needed - your post basically shows a good example of someone complaining without any knowledge of the subject at hand. You ARE aware that some of the projects you're moaning about were proposed FORTY years ago? 

 

Based on my primitive analysis on google maps, the current E&Y building is 0.4 miles from E 4th St.  The new proposed location is 0.4. miles from W 6th St.  So you're no farther away from dining options than before.

 

And something tells me that someone who likes to make money will put in a restaurant or other business in this new development to appeal to the already large number of residents in the area and to accomodate the new population of professionals/residents who are moving in.  And maybe someone - at a company that provides support on "Assurance, Tax, Transactions and Advisory" - will be sharp enough to put an ATM in your office building so that employees can do most of their banking there.  I know I do 98% of all my banking at the ATM in my building's lobby...

 

SHS you are full of sh*t.  They aren't going to do anything except erect an office somewhere off the coast of the port.  You will have to take a barge to get to it.  The building is a single purpose use office building that's views focus on salt mines.  There will be ZERO services in this building and if employees try to leave at any time before 6pm they will be tasered and thrown in cages.

The stat about 1 in 12 proposed buildings ever is built sounds accurate. Before working for E & Y, I worked for an architect,engineering and planning firm. We did work for projects all over the country. Most of them never got built, many which did get built usually were scaled down. Developers have big ideas which is great, but usually the ideas are bigger than what came actually be accomplished. This is not unique to Cleveland. That is why is an skepical about this project being complete as proposed. As I said earlier i'm really a positive guy. I want Cleveland to grow and improve.

Just like I'm still waiting for the second Cleveland Trust Tower(1971), The office tower on the site of the Hippodrome(1980), the 668 Euclid project (90's), Anthony Ashers World Trade Center (1973 or so), Sherwin-Williams Tower (1980 or so) the hotel just north of Jacob Field (late 90's) and all of the projects I mentioned in earlier posts. Yes, I sound negative, but let's look at the track record, most projects don't get built. I got excited about every one of those.

 

I don't know what the percentage is nationwide but this happens just about everywhere. Oh silly me, I forgot, only in Cleveland.

 

 

In the early 1990's Peter Lewis of Progressive had plans drawn up for a mega tower to be built on Mall C. It was to be taller than Key Tower and was of a very unique design much like the building at CWRU. There was a huge reflecting pool and some other much small building (an art gallery comes to mind) with a giant C-Clamp on it's roof. No Joke. I think the achitects where Kohn, Pedersen & Fox from New York. I don't think this ever made the media. I was at a different firm at the time and saw the plans. It was at the time the City was having the new Willard Park Garage designed. The Lewis tower had to be taken into considereation for the garage design. Obviously this tower was never built or even announced. I have no idea why. I didn't mention it in my list of projects that never happened because it was never publically annonced. But, since someone mentioned Progressive I decided to.

 

There are many, many, many reasons progressive was built out in the suburbs and not down here... and I don't have the time to rehash it all here.  Again there are HUGE differences between a proposal and an actual project.  This IS a project.

 

Exactly, I stated information about this in an earlier post.

 

Jimbo, instead of taking this OFF TOPIC and rehashing information that WE ALREADY KNOW.  Please understand many of us here work in the urban planning Field, community development or relations.  In addition, many project managers of the various project taking place throughout the city POST HERE along with representatives from RTA.  So the information were are getting is straight from the horses mouth.

 

I appreciate the debate and everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but you stroll down "proposals/projects that have been announced but never materialized" lane is tired.  Very tired.

 

Cleveland is standing on the door step of a new day.  Stop living in the past.

 

Based on my primitive analysis on google maps, the current E&Y building is 0.4 miles from E 4th St.  The new proposed location is 0.4. miles from W 6th St.  So you're no farther away from dining options than before.

 

And something tells me that someone who likes to make money will put in a restaurant or other business in this new development to appeal to the already large number of residents in the area and to accomodate the new population of professionals/residents who are moving in.  And maybe someone - at a company that provides support on "Assurance, Tax, Transactions and Advisory" - will be sharp enough to put an ATM in your office building so that employees can do most of their banking there.  I know I do 98% of all my banking at the ATM in my building's lobby...

 

Since we do not know what retailers are going in other than Heinens, I would bet that a bank would open a branch near as the grocery store, the new residents and retailers will need a bank close by.  That bank will most likely support the FEB and HWD.

 

Jimbo are you every going to answer my questions??  Please answer, I like you, need attention.

SHS you are full of sh*t.  They aren't going to do anything except erect an office somewhere off the coast of the port.  You will have to take a barge to get to it.  The building is a single purpose use office building that's views focus on salt mines.  There will be ZERO services in this building and if employees try to leave at any time before 6pm they will be tasered and thrown in cages.

 

Honestly I was a little surprised they selected the FEB site over a plot of land along the river by all of the shipping yards, maybe off Boradway along the Ohio Scenic Byway?  They'd still be on the river, what's the difference?

Accounting firm to move into Cleveland redevelopment project

5/8/2008, 10:37 a.m. EDT

The Associated Press   

 

CLEVELAND (AP) — A Cleveland developer says the accounting firm Ernst & Young has agreed to occupy the top six floors of an office tower in the redevelopment of a part of Cleveland at the mouth of the Cuyahoga (keye-uh-HOH'-guh) River.

 

The decision announced Thursday means Ernst & Young will maintain about 1,200 employees in Cleveland's downtown. The firm's education center will move from suburban Middleburg Heights into the new office tower.Developer Scott Wolstein is leading the Flats east bank project.

 

 

Thats good, yet they are still taking less space than they previously had.

MayDay I am aware those projects are 40 years old. That's my point. Some of those were pretty much done deals. I'm saying for the last time, just because something is proposed and they have nice renderings doesn't mean that is how the project will turn out. I hope in this case and others that it does turn out that way. For now I'm not drinking the Kool-aid.

 

The Hippodrome and Richmond Brothers were demolished for a 28 story office tower. I remember much urgency to get them torn down. I went over during demolishion with a friend and scavenged a few souveniers. Then they put in a what they called "temporary" parking lot. The lot is still there. If they do build on it 100 years from now then I guess that it was a temporary lot.

 

And thanks for the info on your site. I will check it out.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/cleveland/index.ssf?/base/news-39/1210257843286110.xml&storylist=cleveland

 

Accounting firm to move into Cleveland redevelopment project

5/8/2008, 10:37 a.m. EDT

The Associated Press

 

CLEVELAND (AP) A Cleveland developer says the accounting firm Ernst & Young has agreed to occupy the top six floors of an office tower in the redevelopment of a part of Cleveland at the mouth of the Cuyahoga (keye-uh-HOH'-guh) River.

 

The decision announced Thursday means Ernst & Young will maintain about 1,200 employees in Cleveland's downtown. The firm's education center will move from suburban Middleburg Heights into the new office tower.

 

Developer Scott Wolstein is leading the Flats east bank project.

 

 

 

--anyone know how many people are employed at the education center?

Hmmm, CEO of one of the biggest retail REITS in the country, and you're worried about him being able to bring in a drug store, some restaurants and some other amenities?  Please.  Sounds like heinen's and a movie theater are pretty much a sure thing and we know about the office tenants.  Tell me why retailers like CVS, Starbucks, Kinko's, among many many others wouldn't sign a lease?

 

When: Thursday May 8, 2008 at 10 a.m.

 

 

This meeting should be wrapping up...someone should have set up a web-cam.

MayDay I am aware those projects are 40 years old. That's my point. Some of those were pretty much done deals

 

You mean some of those YOU thought were a done deal.  There is a very big difference between a proposal (many people can throw out an idea with a rendering and a model), and a project with signed tennants, building commission approval, financing in place, city signed on for infastructure, etc.  BIG, BIG, DIFFERENCE.  This is far beyond a proposal. 

 

When: Thursday May 8, 2008 at 10 a.m.

 

 

This meeting should be wrapping up...someone should have set up a web-cam.

 

I'm working on the renderings. They range in size from 31 mb to 56 mb, so it's taking some time to shrink them down from 12,600 pixels wide to 640 pixels!

I'm working on the renderings. They range in size from 31 mb to 56 mb, so it's taking some time to shrink them down from 12,600 pixels wide to 640 pixels!

Well hurry up already!  :whip:  :whip:

640 is too small, I recommend* 800ish :-)

 

*And just remember I'm an Admin ;-)

OK, here's the first four of six....

 

This is the one we've all seen before:

 

 

 

Love it.  Still skeptical on that tall office building right on the river.  Some intense engineering for that one.

Sorry, but the last two renderings have invalid JPEG markers on them and I can't open them. I will ask to have them e-mailed to me.

Hey, I think I found the Bank!  There you go Jimbo!

Sorry, but the last two renderings have invalid JPEG markers on them and I can't open them. I will ask to have them e-mailed to me.

 

WEre there any renderings of the new office tower close up.  The one E&Y is moving to.

Love it.  Still skeptical on that tall office building right on the river.  Some intense engineering for that one.

 

I you're referring to Building #3, that's a 20-story residential building with 111 housing units over 6,984 square feet of ground-floor retail.

Building No. 3 bothers me as well.

 

I can't read the information under the "key facts", can one of you whippersnappers with 20/20 vision list what each building number represents. 

Sorry, but the last two renderings have invalid JPEG markers on them and I can't open them. I will ask to have them e-mailed to me.

 

WEre there any renderings of the new office tower close up.  The one E&Y is moving to.

 

Yes. That will have to be e-mailed to me.

Building No. 3 bothers me as well.

 

I can't read the information under the "key facts", can one of you whippersnappers with 20/20 vision list what each building number represents. 

 

USe the search function for the renderrings from last month.  Easier to read.

Building No. 3 bothers me as well.

 

I can't read the information under the "key facts", can one of you whippersnappers with 20/20 vision list what each building number represents. 

 

I will post details of that information when I'm not at work and when others aren't waiting to use the graphics computer.

Do you have the hotel brand's name?

How many rooms?

What building will it be in?

Visually & from an unprofessional design viewpoint, it doesn't blow me over, but I still am very excited - I like the scale, the mix, and if that lighting stays, I could go for that.  I like purple.

Ernst & Young name to adorn new Flats office tower

Posted by mjarboe May 08, 2008 11:11AM

 

Ernst & Young will occupy the top six floors of downtown's first new office tower in nearly two decades -- a tower that will bear the accounting firm's name.

 

Company officials joined Mayor Frank Jackson and developer Scott Wolstein Thursday morning to formally announce Ernst & Young's plan to move its downtown Cleveland office from the Huntington Building into a massive planned development in the Flats.

 

More at

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2008/05/ernst_young_name_to_adorn_new.html

Building No. 3 bothers me as well.

 

I can't read the information under the "key facts", can one of you whippersnappers with 20/20 vision list what each building number represents. 

 

Building 1 and 3 are the "future" phase, no?  That is the way I remember it at least.

I am having a hard time reconciling the riverside area of building 4 in the pics...in one depiction there looks to be a pedestrian mall adjacent to the river. In the overhead view, it looks to be a very wide street with automobile traffic.

 

And it looks as if the term "boardwalk" actually means "concrete walkway" to Wolstein.

 

But again, how much realism should we be reading into these pics???

^ There is definitely a street that passes in front of building 4, but IIRC that street can be closed to thru traffic (like 4th street) for events, etc.

 

I too am a little disapointed in the "boardwalk" / giant plaza.  I do like the beacons / light towers down there.

Developers showed off new renderings of the project but did not display images of the office tower. Fishman said the building, being designed by NBBJ, will be "more modern than traditional" and "more glass than stone." Pending city approval, the Ernst & Young lighted logo will be on three sides of the building's facade.

 

That's funny. I recall seeing a rendering of the office building, unless I confused that with another building.

There are many inconsistencies between the 2nd aerial view and the plaza view. At this stage in the game, I doubt that they are putting much effort into detailing the park. They are fast-tracking building details and such. They'll figure out where to plant the daisies later.

Do you have the hotel brand's name?

How many rooms?

What building will it be in?

 

Nope on all three.

I think this was an E&Y announcement moreso than a project overview and timeline meeting, correct?

The renderings are cool. I have more faith in this project than before. I agree with JeffreyT: it doesn't blow me over, but it's certainly better than what's there now. I especially love the public spaces. It would be so great to really see that many people congregating down there. Only time will tell I s'pose.

 

The only part that seriously makes my cringe is the giant sign that says "Flats East Bank". I mean, c'mon. Really??

Why, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A DESTINATION, why not brand it? 

 

Give me one good reason, just one, why branding a new neighborhood with a name its already know for is bad?

i agree with JPOP, makes the place look way too artificial IMO.  how bout we flip the question around and ask you, MTS, if YOU can name one example in the  country where you DO see this

My take is that it's not really needed, but there are some incredibly stupid people who wouldn't be able to find it without being clubbed over the head with an "EAT AT JOES" style sign.

So you see giant neon signs in SoHo? Greenwich Village? Bucktown?

 

I'm not saying branding a neighborhood is bad, necessarily. I just think the way they're branding it is waaay too obvious and tacky, in my opinion. I personally would prefer to see the neighborhood build up its cache and clout because the people of the city make it great, not because a neon sign tells people "Hey, look at this new neighborhood. Isn't it great?"

 

I dunno. In time, maybe it'll grow on me. I'm just stating an opinion on what I personally think is aesthetically better.

i agree with JPOP, makes the place look way too artificial IMO.  how bout we flip the question around and ask you, MTS, if YOU can name one example in the  country where you DO see this

Fishermans Warf

The Gas Lamp district

Houston Galleria/Uptown

Lincoln Road Mall (when it originally opened)

Tampa ybor city.

Atlanta Centenial Park

 

First let me say, that the signage should stay, however, based on those rendering it of course should be tweaked.

 

AND WERE DOES IT SAY ITS NEON?  It's shown that way but who is to say that is the final?

 

No one. And like I said, I don't necessarily have a complaint about packaging a neighborhood for out-of-towners. But .. I dunno. The way it was shown in the renderings wasn't to my liking.

 

Just being nitpicky.

I think they should mount the sign on the Main Avenue Bridge.

No one. And like I said, I don't necessarily have a complaint about packaging a neighborhood for out-of-towners. But .. I dunno. The way it was shown in the renderings wasn't to my liking.

 

Just being nitpicky.

 

You don't get it.  My comments aren't about what "out of towners" think.  this is for EVERYONE!  This is strickly about BUILDING A BRAND.  This way it won't die out or erode as the "original" Flats did. 

 

This BRAND is the FEB neighborhood.  Even on Shaker Square, we have signage that you're IN Shaker Square (I purposely left that out).

No one. And like I said, I don't necessarily have a complaint about packaging a neighborhood for out-of-towners. But .. I dunno. The way it was shown in the renderings wasn't to my liking.

 

Just being nitpicky.

 

I think that it looks a little forced. I think that it can also make the area look as if it is not an organic part of the city--as if it were dropped down from space.  Well, that's kind of what it will be.