and if not the huge new skyscaper on the Jacobs property on Public Square will.  :wink:

 

I never thought I would hope E&Y Tower would be blocked SO MUCH!... haha

Interesting note on the front page story...."stands 280' now but will eventually attach itself to the office building and grow to 380' "

So visualize another 50 feet above the current crane height and that should be the approx. building height.

 

Someone brought that up earlier in the thread. But it was also said that the crane will probably be a good 30 to 50 feet taller than the actual building height. With that said the final height will probably be in the 330 to 350 range.

 

Im pretty sure thats what Firenze98 is already saying. 

 

Interesting note on the front page story...."stands 280' now but will eventually attach itself to the office building and grow to 380' "

So visualize another 50 feet above the current crane height and that should be the approx. building height.

 

Someone brought that up earlier in the thread. But it was also said that the crane will probably be a good 30 to 50 feet taller than the actual building height. With that said the final height will probably be in the 330 to 350 range.

 

Im pretty sure thats what Firenze98 is already saying. 

 

 

Bingo!

Yeah, I know, a post that I acknowledge that I misread his comment was deleted.

If we can get back on topic...

 

^ must. resist. joke. about. craning. neck. to. see.  :laugh:

^Well the crane is somewhat visible from the Valley View bridge (no pics, it was too hazy that day) :-)

 

Anyway, no craning necks in these shots - just some more photos to show where she'll fit in the skyline:

 

 

As much as I hate the fence on the Detroit-Superior bridge, I thought this was kinda cool the way the lense managed to focus past it:

its kind of like playing where is waldo, if waldo was a big red crane

its kind of like playing where is waldo, if waldo was a big red crane

 

Nice! :-D

ok, but is the crane helping to move anything on the ground yet? 

ok, but is the crane helping to move anything on the ground yet?

 

I think I saw some workers hanging another guy up by his underwear and they were swinging him around on it. It's being put to good use.

ok, but is the crane helping to move anything on the ground yet?

 

I think I saw some workers hanging another guy up by his underwear and they were swinging him around on it. It's being put to good use.

 

That must be a rookie iron worker's initiation hazing.

ok, but is the crane helping to move anything on the ground yet?

 

I think I saw some workers hanging another guy up by his underwear and they were swinging him around on it. It's being put to good use.

 

Other than that, usually a crane is used to move things through the air, not so much on the ground. :-D 

In all seriousness, this weekend I'll be taking some photos of whatever is going on, so we'll see.

Nothing new in this video, but it does show some more steel around the building's base and the crane moving.  :-o

 

Channel 3 :  On Location: Flats East Bank

http://www.wkyc.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=203456

 

It's something...

ok, but is the crane helping to move anything on the ground yet? 

 

yes.  they are using it to move the forms for the foundation into place.

A few from this afternoon...

 

about where you'll see the tower from the City Hall parking deck..

 

 

 

cell phone camera did some trippy things to this photo..

 

 

 

Big Red moving some forms...she's quite graceful I must say.

 

Heres an article on Cleveland.com about the crane.  It is currently at 280ft and will grow to 380ft, but we wont talk about that, because then we'd be off topic..?

 

Crane operator sways high above Cleveland as Flats East Bank project rises from ground

Published: Friday, August 26, 2011, 6:46 PM    Updated: Friday, August 26, 2011, 7:21 PM

By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer

 

The tower crane, now 280 feet tall, will be tied to the office building's core and extended to 380 feet before VanFossen's yearlong stint in the sky is done.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/08/crane_operator_sways_high_abov.html

 

 

"It is currently at 280ft and will grow to 380ft, but we wont talk about that, because then we'd be off topic..?"

 

Not really, but if people want to get too far into the minutia, or endlessly speculate about the final height of the building... that's a different story. :-)

 

 

Why does no one know the height of the building? I have even gone to the website for the Flats project and inquired (3 times), but no one has gotten back to me...whats going on?? Do they not even know?

Why does no one know the height of the building? I have even gone to the website for the Flats project and inquired (3 times), but no one has gotten back to me...whats going on?? Do they not even know?

 

I doubt they even check that site's e-mail address. It's been up for a long time.

 

I've looked online and found no mentions of how tall the building will be (in feet) either. However, I've read that a rule of thumb is that an office building level is typically 12.5 feet high (from the middle of the concrete of the floor to the middle of the concrete of the ceiling above). If that's correct, then this building could be about 260-265 feet high. It may actually be closer to 300 feet when all the rooftop equipment is taken into account.

 

 

These shots show this is a WHD project.

The part that's in the FEB will be open-air / greenspace.

 

A big yawn from me on this, the renderings look too suburban-Rockside Road.

The one good thing it should do... is get W. 9th repaved. I can't imagine that minefield, especially under the Main Ave bridge, will be found acceptable by the new tenants.

 

These shots show this is a WHD project.

The part that's in the FEB will be open-air / greenspace.

 

A big yawn from me on this, the renderings look too suburban-Rockside Road.

The one good thing it should do... is get W. 9th repaved. I can't imagine that minefield, especially under the Main Ave bridge, will be found acceptable by the new tenants.

 

WHAT WHD PROJECT?

 

"this project" = The Wolstein / Fairmount Properties FEB project.

The structure is not in the East Bank of the Flats at all.

It is in the Warehouse District, since it is bound by W. 9th St, Front St., Main Ave., and W. 10th St.

 

 

"this project" = The Wolstein / Fairmount Properties FEB project.

The structure is not in the East Bank of the Flats at all.

It is in the Warehouse District, since it is bound by W. 9th St, Front St., Main Ave., and W. 10th St.

 

 

Seriously, we've called it the FEB project as the developers have.  Please don't play the "name change" game at this point.  It's really unnecessary.

 

If you dont agree with the name, that's fine, but I'm asking you not to post as such, so you dont confuse anyone.  It adds nothing to the conversation.

^Let me make the point that I think Clueless is trying to make.

 

"Wow, look at how close the office building is to the WHD.  The WHD is going to benefit from this building a great deal."

 

but I'm asking you not to post as such, so you dont confuse anyone.  It adds nothing to the conversation.

 

YHGTBFKM

 

It's the developers playing games with the name.

This part of the Flats East Bank project is located within the designated planning-area boundaries of the Warehouse District.

 

Done. Move on....

Moving, err... floating along?

 

 

 

That last photo shows how this building will visually extend the skyline to the west.

Holy Cow mayDay those are awesome shots!  Probably the best perspectives to show how this will fit into the skyline.  In the last shot, what is the building between Erieveiw and Calabreeze on the lake?  Mid rise building infront of the SBC building. 

Holy Cow mayDay those are awesome shots!  Probably the best perspectives to show how this will fit into the skyline.  In the last shot, what is the building between Erieveiw and Calabreeze on the lake?  Mid rise building infront of the SBC building. 

 

That's the low-rise part of the North Point office tower.

Mayday, I think you are stalking that crane

Just a quick mock-up of MayDay's photo.  I used the height projections discussed in this thread to get it "about" right.

in the words of the great dick vitale

"AWESOME BABY"

from the last few days -- thx to hurricane irene i got to hang out a little longer and check this out!  :clap:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like the second and third pictures best.

This photo from AerialAspectPhotography www.facebook.com/aerialaspect gives us a better idea of the size and the impact of this project.

Great find!

 

^^

This WHD, ...errr FEB..., project is going to do more for W. 9th St than anything else heretofore, IMO.

That aerial shows how much space the project will take up when fully built out- we won't get close to that with the first phase.

 

^^

This WHD, ...errr FEB..., project is going to do more for W. 9th St than anything else heretofore, IMO.

 

Not sure I agree this is a WHD project... at least I sure hope it's not.  The complex addresses the Flats and the planned restaurant complex, IIRC, sits closer to the water.  All the big warehouse apartment adaptive reuse buildings that are half in the Flats, are all oriented to WHD.  The last thing we need is for E & W/Aloft hotel complex to be a WHD project shoe-horned in a dead corner of the WHD.  We need this project, badly, to re-spark interest in our former jewel waterfront entertainment district... What makes you believe so strongly this is a WHD project, clueless?

^Let's not get off-topic; that's a discussion better suited for private messaging.

Question.

 

Does the RTA Waterfront Line pose a barrier for pedestrians to walk directly to the "lawn" from this phase of development? From the photos it appears the tracks begin to elevate.  Also how close is the nearest station to access the RTA trains?

 

As everything is today...yes, it's a barrier.

One would have to walk down either of the E-W streets (Front St. or Main Ave.)

Question.

 

Does the RTA Waterfront Line pose a barrier for pedestrians to walk directly to the "lawn" from this phase of development? From the photos it appears the tracks begin to elevate.  Also how close is the nearest station to access the RTA trains?

 

In the aerial photo from several posts back, you can see the Waterfront Line's Flats East Bank station at the bottom of the photo.

It is obviously no different from when there were structures along the river, and people had no trouble getting from the area where the office building will be (it was a parking lot) to the river.  So I guess you would only consider it a barrier if you thought it was way back when.

 

I don't think dave was asking about it being a 'barrier' in the figurative sense. That's a totally subjective thing.

I believe he was asking if the rapid tracks were an actual physical barrier that impede people getting to the river in a straight shot across the "lawn".

 

Yes, even back when from uphill in the parking lot, people had to veer left and head down Main Ave. or veer right and head down Front St. to get to the party-hardy Old River Rd.

Unless something changes (like a pedestrian bridge over the tracks, is that even plausible?), people exiting the Aloft Hotel/office tower uphill will seemingly have to walk to Main Ave. or Front St. first if they're on their way to the lawn or river.

From the graphic on oldmanladyluck's post it looks like a lot of the public surface parking might be north west of the tracks to begin with. That's where all the green space / open-air stuff is anyway.