Yeah, you're right.  I seem to always get confused about this buidling's footprint.

Well, the site is located at the corner of W10th and Main Avenue.  It appears from the renderings that you will be able to walk to Main Avenue at the Southeast corner of the site and then walk up the hill to W9th.  That will be the primary path to W9th.

Looks like they've got steel up to the 7th floor, and the elevator core up to the 11th floor. So double the height of the elevator core to get an idea of the size of this building.

^ Actually, if I'm seeing it correctly, I think the steel is only up to the 5th floor.  The lower portions are the parking garage.

 

 

For what it's worth, I'm told the crane is currently up to 280' and will eventually rise to 380' when it completes the tower.  I'm also told that the final building height will be "just slightly shorter than the final height of the crane."  Not sure exactly how much shorter "slightly shorter" is, but I have to believe it is at least 300'+, which would be 20' taller than the current height of the crane, for reference.  So if you can currently see the crane from a particular location, you should be able to see the final building from that location too.

Here is a view from the Ritz Carlton.  If its going to be taller than the crane and the crane is still 100 feet shorter than where it will be, its going to be quite a bit taller the the Pinnacle

 

Just another rendering.

Wasn't that in a news article published several months ago? Is the craine still at 280ft or has it gotten taller since they added 5 floors of steel? I don't see how it could possibly become 380ft because there are only going to be 22 levels in total. In the Cleveland Skyscrapers website; http://www.clevelandskyscrapers.com/cleveland/clesky350.html .....

 

the buildings that are close to 380ft have at least 28 floors...such as the Breuer building 383ft, or the AT&T tower, 365ft with 24 floors....do you think the ceiling height of the Flats building is going to be higher than the other two buildings'? So the Flats will have less floors, but would compromise the number of floor levels to ceiling heights?

^I spoke with someone who is heavily involved in the design/construction just a few weeks ago and he said it was at 280' then.  I'd be surprised if they needed to move the crane up since construction began just to accommodate adding five floors.

 

Like I said, I'm not sure how much shorter "slightly shorter" than 380' is.  I'm guessing it won't be just a few feet but probably at least 20-30' shorter if not much more.  I'm not sure how much distance from the top of the structure the crane needs to operate.

 

Keep in mind the 18th floor has higher ceiling heights than the others and the 19th floor mechanical level is even higher, plus the penthouse level and roof-top plaza area.  I'm also guessing this full final height is going to include the ornamental rooftop elements as well, since the crane would install those too.

Somebody a few weeks back reflected that, given the height of the building and the fact it was on lower ground it would not even be seen on the skyline to any great extent.

 

I repied by indicating that I could see the top of the crane at night and during the day from various far off vantage points including both directions on 90 from the far east and west, including the inner belt bridge (and of course the shoreway).

 

Want to add I-77 to that.  I was coming from the south a few days ago on 77 and the crane was pretty prominent on the skyline.  Of course one of the reasons for that is that there is nothing tall in the general vicinity.

It's also visible from the Valley View bridge (480). Not sticking out like a sore thumb but it's there.

It's also visible from the Valley View bridge (480). Not sticking out like a sore thumb but it's there.

 

Therefore, it must be pretty visible from 490.  I haven't taken that route in a while. 

Well, the site is located at the corner of W10th and Main Avenue.  It appears from the renderings that you will be able to walk to Main Avenue at the Southeast corner of the site and then walk up the hill to W9th.  That will be the primary path to W9th.

 

It's too bad they don't build a connection to the building from W. 9th, because it looks like the first non-parking level is at about the same level as W. 9th.  There'd just have to be a little walkway back to the building.

Looks like there will be some connection to West 9th

 

^^ I don't think they can because the property along W. 9th is in use (two buildings and their parking lots).  Parking lots may not be the best uses, but still:

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.500956,-81.703069&spn=0.00235,0.004823&t=h&z=18&vpsrc=6

 

From the renderings, though, it looks like they are going to improve the connection from along Main Ave to W. 9th under the bridge.  I think that plaza area is essentially going to be their front door.

 

EDIT: Beat me to it, ClevelandOhio

OK, so what you guys are calling "connections" is Front and Main Avenues right?  Because I couldn't understand it when it was brought up earlier and there is nothing in that graphic that would be a connection to W9th apart from sidewalks on existing streets.    :?

^From this rendering, the main pedestrian entrance to the office tower appears to be off of Main Avenue, where the plaza area is located (6).  The parking entrance will be off of Front.  The hotel and retail will be lined along W. 10th.  Beyond that, any connections to W. 9th looks like it will be along sidewalks and existing streets, yes.

 

^^Yes.  You'll just have to walk down Main Avenue for a short distance to get from the building to W9th and vice versa.  This building should dramatically improve the "feel" of this area though.  I'm assuming lighting and sidewalks will be much improved.  I'm also guessing that this will force the city to finally pave W9th street once all the truck traffic is gone.

Does anyone know what is going to be underneath the plaza area? Is it going to be more parking? Where is the parking enterance going to be? I see why they are building the plaza so high up from the ground, but it still seems a little strange IMHO.

^From flatseast.com - looks like parking; I believe the entrance will be off Front Street (north of the tower):

 

Great renderings.  Does anyone know yet if this project has spurred any spinoff development or renovations to the existing remaining buildings along Old River Road perhaps?  Should be a solid demand for some new lunch places & such with that many people coming in...

^ Actually, if I'm seeing it correctly, I think the steel is only up to the 5th floor.  The lower portions are the parking garage.

 

 

 

Yep, I'm aware. My statement was to only measure the height of the building and to the overall level of the structure, not how many floors of steel were erected. Thanks for your attention to this important matter.

^ Actually, if I'm seeing it correctly, I think the steel is only up to the 5th floor.  The lower portions are the parking garage.

 

 

 

Yep, I'm aware. My statement was to only measure the height of the building and to the overall level of the structure, not how many floors of steel were erected. Thanks for your attention to this important matter.

 

Gotcha, sorry about that.  Didn't mean to be critical.

What are the buildings on the picture with the number 9 supposed to represent? Are they part of the first phase of the Flats East Bank? I'm thinking that they are going to be clubs? Anyone know when they are going to start phase two? I hope they build a highrise residential tower....

 

 

 

 

 

Here's 2 other pics that I found of that area of the FEB.  In the 1st pic those areas are labled "#8" and are listed as Riverside Dining/Entertainment. 

 

I'm pretty sure that area will be in Phase 2 of the construction.

 

 

Wow! Thanks for those amazing renderings! Those really give an idea of how the project will look like when its done. AMAZING! That residential tower, if built, would really be the icing on the cake!

Thats the first time ive seen those. Ive seen similar ones, but not those exact ones. Are those new?

The top one appears to be the older layout.  Note the building labeled 5b as the boutique hotel while 7b (where the aLoft hotel would be) is listed as residential.  Also, 10 is listed as a corporate headquarters, which was the proposed Eaton HQ before they decided to move east. 

 

The bottom one, though, looks like an updated rendering because it has the aLoft hotel clearly visible in front of the E&Y tower.

What is interesting about the rendering from dar124  is  the cleveland aquarium( not to be confused with the greater cleveland aquarium) situated between The Aloft and the phase 2 buildings along the river. Is this aquarium supposed to be part of The Flats East Bank Project?

I can't imagine that the City would be so obtuse as to allow two aquariums and neither one of them incorporate the lake....

 

What I'm really hoping for is some attention to the river in the form of new bulkheads in this area on both banks.  Probably wishful thinking to hope for anything more than the standard bulkhead, but something more aesthetically pleasing would be nice.... specifically, I am thinking of some type of rock or stone veneer if that is all possible

What is interesting about the rendering from dar124  is  the cleveland aquarium( not to be confused with the greater cleveland aquarium) situated between The Aloft and the phase 2 buildings along the river. Is this aquarium supposed to be part of The Flats East Bank Project?

 

FORGET THE AQUARIUM IN THE POWERHOUSE THAT ONE IS WAAAAAY BETTER!! GET IT BUILT!! LOL  8-)

That proposal was Cleveland Aquarium Inc. which fell through when Jacobs came into play.  It was headed by the head of the aquarium exhibit at the zoo.  http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/06/cleveland_aquarium_inc_plans_d.html

 

Anyway, to keep this thread on topic, here's a pic I took the other night from Old River Rd.  Sorry for the iPhone quality.

Not sure how this was considered off topic since the plans/rendering obviously shows The Cleveland Aquarium in the proposal for Phase 2 of The Flats East Bank.

My article post led toward the aquarium thread, not the FEB thread. I was covering my bases  :angel:

So is the Aquarium for Phase 2 off of the table or no?

The aquarium is on the table at Flats West Bank.  They are looking for funding now for phase two.

^Really?  What sense does that make.

 

EDIT:  Sorry...I miss read the above post.  I thought it said Flats East Bank.  My bad.

Here's a shot today from the FEB webcam.

 

http://www.flatseast.com/webcam.htm

 

 

 

 

Another update from the FEB webcam.  Looks like a bit of progress in the past week.

 

http://www.flatseast.com/webcam.htm

 

 

Based on that, this is what I would guess the height would be.

 

This is my take:

 

 

^ awesomesauce!

 

oh wait i think that word is banned for this year but still thats a tasty render!  :clap:

I haven't heard about any spin-off development in the extant buildings south of the Main Ave bridge along Old River Road (outside the footprint) -- even so much as, say, the reestablishment of a restaurant in the (very attractive) old Watermark site ... nothing.  You'd think that, given the size, density and proximity to the Fairmount development that there would be more buzz... Anyone hear of anything?

No I haven't heard of anything but I was just thinking the same thing...

No I haven't heard of anything but I was just thinking the same thing...

 

It's kinda surprising given the renewed intreat in the Flats /waterfront and, more importantly, unlike Cleveland projects of the past, Fairmout is off the drawing board and nearly half completed, structurally.  ... contrast the Flats to U. Circle Uptown where there's a feeding frenzy of spin-off development that's electric -- even all the way into East Cleveland, for crying out loud!... I guess we can't underestimate the pall of skepticism that fell over the Flats after its demise a decade ago.  We DO now have activity on the West Bank, with the Aquarium (of course, we know, the West Bank never fell as hard as the East).  Let's hope developers pull out of it; it's still an interesting, highly unique setting loaded with potential (and easily accessible by mass transit). ... Are our leaders really pushing hard enough to once again promote the Flats?

More at http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,26786.0.html

 

 

 

No I haven't heard of anything but I was just thinking the same thing...

 

It's kinda surprising given the renewed intreat in the Flats /waterfront and, more importantly, unlike Cleveland projects of the past, Fairmout is off the drawing board and nearly half completed, structurally.  ... contrast the Flats to U. Circle Uptown where there's a feeding frenzy of spin-off development that's electric -- even all the way into East Cleveland, for crying out loud!... I guess we can't underestimate the pall of skepticism that fell over the Flats after its demise a decade ago.  We DO now have activity on the West Bank, with the Aquarium (of course, we know, the West Bank never fell as hard as the East).  Let's hope developers pull out of it; it's still an interesting, highly unique setting loaded with potential (and easily accessible by mass transit). ... Are our leaders really pushing hard enough to once again promote the Flats?

 

There had been quite a bit of activity along Old River Road before construction started with properties changing hands in order to capitalize on the future East Bank development.  I know there are plans for at least a couple restaurants, clubs etc. in the future along this stretch, just give it a bit more time.  It would be rather pointless to do it now.     

No I haven't heard of anything but I was just thinking the same thing...

 

It's kinda surprising given the renewed intreat in the Flats /waterfront and, more importantly, unlike Cleveland projects of the past, Fairmout is off the drawing board and nearly half completed, structurally.  ... contrast the Flats to U. Circle Uptown where there's a feeding frenzy of spin-off development that's electric -- even all the way into East Cleveland, for crying out loud!... I guess we can't underestimate the pall of skepticism that fell over the Flats after its demise a decade ago.  We DO now have activity on the West Bank, with the Aquarium (of course, we know, the West Bank never fell as hard as the East).  Let's hope developers pull out of it; it's still an interesting, highly unique setting loaded with potential (and easily accessible by mass transit). ... Are our leaders really pushing hard enough to once again promote the Flats?

 

There had been quite a bit of activity along Old River Road before construction started with properties changing hands in order to capitalize on the future East Bank development.  I know there are plans for at least a couple restaurants, clubs etc. in the future along this stretch, just give it a bit more time.  It would be rather pointless to do it now.     

 

Sounds good; loved the old Watermark restaurant and would love to see something similar opened in that site.  Someone suggested apartments in the old Samsel building, which would awesome.

Yes the old Warermark was a landmark...  Look for something similar in that space in the future.

 

The old Samsel Building Im not so sure though.  The Samsel family is certainly a great family, and maybe down the road the development pressure will get the best (worst?) of them. 

I was always partial to the Arhaus Furniture building down there as well.  I know for a while it was the flagship store for Arhaus (we bought a dining room table there in 1997) and then it was a clearance center as late as 2003.  What is in there now?  I personally think it would make some great residential space and/or some great creative space...or even some sort of retail again.

No I haven't heard of anything but I was just thinking the same thing...

 

It's kinda surprising given the renewed intreat in the Flats /waterfront and, more importantly, unlike Cleveland projects of the past, Fairmout is off the drawing board and nearly half completed, structurally.  ... contrast the Flats to U. Circle Uptown where there's a feeding frenzy of spin-off development that's electric -- even all the way into East Cleveland, for crying out loud!... I guess we can't underestimate the pall of skepticism that fell over the Flats after its demise a decade ago.  We DO now have activity on the West Bank, with the Aquarium (of course, we know, the West Bank never fell as hard as the East).  Let's hope developers pull out of it; it's still an interesting, highly unique setting loaded with potential (and easily accessible by mass transit). ... Are our leaders really pushing hard enough to once again promote the Flats?

 

Just because we don't physically see any work, that doesn't mean behind the scenes or financial "work" isn't underway.

 

Also, I think its unfair to compare one are of Cleveland to another.  Was UC booming like it is 10 years ago?  Several things had to happen in UC before it became what it is today.  You're comparing a newly developed neighborhood to one in its heading into its prime.