June 6, 201213 yr Just look for the pine tree. Then it will be done Why? Cause we always put trees on top of our buildings? ;)
June 6, 201213 yr It's looking good. Getting closer and closer to topping out!!! It also looks like work might be starting on the Aloft hotel at the front of the building??
June 6, 201213 yr It's looking good. Getting closer and closer to topping out!!! It also looks like work might be starting on the Aloft hotel at the front of the building?? I was going to ask, is that the Aloft going up in the front?
June 6, 201213 yr Author I was going to ask, is that the Aloft going up in the front? Yes, it is. So now that this is topping out, now we need another new building so there's always cranes in the sky! -- Signed, construction cranes anonymous :drunk: "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 201213 yr Michelle jarboe of pd had tweeted topping out today I thought. Topping out In building construction, topping out (sometimes incorrectly referred to as topping off) is a ceremony held when the last beam is placed at the top of a building. The term may also refer to the overall completion of the building's structure, or an intermediate point, such as when the roof is dried in.[1] A topping out ceremony is usually held to commemorate the event. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topping_out Topping out is when the last/final beam is placed. This building might have reached its final height, but the final beam hasnt been placed yet?? :wtf:
June 7, 201213 yr Why is the boardwalk so far away from everything? Why is the boardwalk down a flight of stairs? A flight of stairs.
June 7, 201213 yr Topping off day. http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/Focal-point-of-Clevelands-Flats-East-Bank-project-marks-topping-off
June 7, 201213 yr From the web cam, there is a pine tree and flag on a horizontal beam at the top. But, I also thought that the official topping out was when the last beam was lifted. It looks to me like there are other beams to be lifted. But, that part of the building is going to be as tall as it is going to get.
June 7, 201213 yr via @mjarboe https://twitter.com/mjarboe/status/210524660905938944/photo/1 I think that is a gorgeous landscape design the stairs don't bother me at all....the moss on the building is lame though...
June 7, 201213 yr Why is the boardwalk so far away from everything? Why is the boardwalk down a flight of stairs? A flight of stairs. may have something to do with flood plains & insurance requirements? flood plains and insurance requirements. The Cuyahoga really isn't all that attractive up close by the way... might be a wise move to keep a little distance between that water & people dining outdoors...
June 7, 201213 yr Why is the boardwalk so far away from everything? Why is the boardwalk down a flight of stairs? A flight of stairs. may have something to do with flood plains & insurance requirements? flood plains and insurance requirements. The Cuyahoga really isn't all that attractive up close by the way... might be a wise move to keep a little distance between that water & people dining outdoors... You've answered one question, but you've raised so many more.
June 7, 201213 yr ^^That was my first instinct as well, but Shooters is level as was the old FEB, no? Plus, I would think it is hard(er) for the mouth of a river to flood. Seems more like a design choice, making the boardwalk feel more open to the public than dedicated to individual businesses. Obviously, the plan they settled on years ago elected to create more of a park-esque boardwalk in lieu of recreating the same type of epicentre of the 'action' on the river. I disagreed then and still disagree. F**k the lake.... the river is our most underutilized asset.
June 7, 201213 yr F**k the lake.... the river is our most underutilized asset. I can agree with that! I really hope the built environment around the cuyahoga river is drastically different 10 years from now.
June 7, 201213 yr via @mjarboe https://twitter.com/mjarboe/status/210524660905938944/photo/1 The green on the building is the best part of it. We need more projects with greenery. I think that is a gorgeous landscape design the stairs don't bother me at all....the moss on the building is lame though...
June 7, 201213 yr Why is the boardwalk so far away from everything? Why is the boardwalk down a flight of stairs? A flight of stairs. Far away?? That is what you consider "far away"? It's right there. If the boardwalk is a public space, there needs to be soe sort of barrier, between the restaurants/venues and the boardwalk.
June 7, 201213 yr Not necessarily. All the streets and sidewalks downtown are public spaces, and they don't have barriers between them and the surrounding businesses, and even are legally encroached upon by sidewalk cafes. We could have treated the boardwalk the same.
June 7, 201213 yr I think I am seeing a street or driveway between the apartments and the stairs to the boardwalk. At any rate, I love the rendering, and only hope the reality is that attractive.
June 7, 201213 yr ^^That was my first instinct as well, but Shooters is level as was the old FEB, no? Plus, I would think it is hard(er) for the mouth of a river to flood. Seems more like a design choice, making the boardwalk feel more open to the public than dedicated to individual businesses. Obviously, the plan they settled on years ago elected to create more of a park-esque boardwalk in lieu of recreating the same type of epicentre of the 'action' on the river. I disagreed then and still disagree. F**k the lake.... the river is our most underutilized asset. Not an issue of the river flooding at this location. I can't rememer of a time that it has. Mroeso excavating footers along side the river would be difficult due to a very high groundwater table, and water infiltration. Similar designs that were done for the the medical mart and CC would need to be implemented here which most likely wound be cost prohibitive. A little setback works wonders. Is this aprartment building almost a go? What about the restaurants. Probably already answered a million times....
June 7, 201213 yr ^apartment building is still in the planning phases, trying to line up financing. It's probably a year off, hoping to start when they finish the hotel/office complex next spring. Toby Keith's bar & grille is somewhere around the same time frame
June 7, 201213 yr ^^That was my first instinct as well, but Shooters is level as was the old FEB, no? Plus, I would think it is hard(er) for the mouth of a river to flood. Shooters actually does have a few steps down to the boardwalk at the edge of the river. And I stand corrected. :oops: From the FEB webcam, it does appear that the tree and flag are up on the building. http://www.flatseast.com/webcam.htm
June 7, 201213 yr Not necessarily. All the streets and sidewalks downtown are public spaces, and they don't have barriers between them and the surrounding businesses, and even are legally encroached upon by sidewalk cafes. We could have treated the boardwalk the same. But it's like that downtown due to necessity caused by limited space, not aesthetics. You have more flexibility with Flats East Bank.
June 7, 201213 yr F**k the lake.... the river is our most underutilized asset. I can agree with that! I really hope the built environment around the cuyahoga river is drastically different 10 years from now. I am okay with the boardwalk placement in the rendering. It looks nice. My bigger question is "where will this boardwalk lead?" The best possible answer is "to another series of boardwalks." The best boardwalks in the world are connectors, with varying sections of inter-spersed "peace and quiet" areas and the "action on the water" areas that Hts. referenced above. With good planning! residential and retail can transcend both. The time to consider a boardwalk master plan is right now.
June 7, 201213 yr Unfortunately, south of the new Flats East Bank project there are still buildings that come up to the river. They need to figure out what to do with the boardwalk when it hits that spot. If they can, the boardwalk has the potential to run along the river all the way to the Center Street swing bridge and future tow path connections at the new Canal Basin Park. Then people could cross that bridge and utilize future connections to Whiskey Island. Has the potential to be pretty cool.
June 7, 201213 yr ^ those buildings would have to give up their private riverfront patios and just settle on smaller patios along the boardwalk, the size of downtown patios.
June 7, 201213 yr Unfortunately, south of the new Flats East Bank project there are still buildings that come up to the river. They need to figure out what to do with the boardwalk when it hits that spot. If they can, the boardwalk has the potential to run along the river all the way to the Center Street swing bridge and future tow path connections at the new Canal Basin Park. Then people could cross that bridge and utilize future connections to Whiskey Island. Has the potential to be pretty cool. This would be awesome. Those classic buildings have soo much potential. The boardwalk remaining disconnected to everything surrounding would be a major failure.
June 7, 201213 yr ^ those buildings would have to give up their private riverfront patios and just settle on smaller patios along the boardwalk, the size of downtown patios. There's another option though. If necessary, you could curve the boardwalk into the street in front of these businesses. Actually, check it out on google, this could be the better option.
June 7, 201213 yr Here is a possible route http://goo.gl/maps/4MZP Imagine the potential. And your boardwalk is leading here:
June 7, 201213 yr Hear, hear! Couldn't agree more about a boardwalk master plan. Reminds me of some daydreaming I did a while back. Yes, I turned the Columbus Rd Peninsula into Columbus Rd Island. I was inspired by the Fort Worth Trinity River Walk master plan. This would make navigating the river shorter and safer for industry, while keeping the Oxbow bend for recreational use by the Rivergate folks & Metroparks visitors. Yes I know the idea of rerouting the river here and at Scranton Rd Peninsula has been floated a hundred times over a hundred years. And yes I know it is extremely expensive with major environmental considerations to be worked through. Doesn't mean it's not a good idea though. Anyway I extended the walking path from FEB to Settlers Landing and added a pedestrian bridge. I wrapped the entire peninsula-turned-island in a boardwalk. Overlaid the renderings of Rivergate and the skatepark in their approximate locations. Added some greenery, plazas, courtyards, fountains, restaurants, etc. Overall, replacing what little is left of decrepit industry with an abundance of people. I know my "rendering" isn't exactly pretty, and the idea is just a tad far fetched. But hey, it was made on a phone and a guy's allowed to dream right? I'll tell ya: a bored man on a lunch break with an iPhone and photo editing apps can be a dangerous thing indeed!!
June 7, 201213 yr Hear, hear! Couldn't agree more about a boardwalk master plan. Reminds me of some daydreaming I did a while back. Yes, I turned the Columbus Rd Peninsula into Columbus Rd Island. I was inspired by the Fort Worth Trinity River Walk master plan. This would make navigating the river shorter and safer for industry, while keeping the Oxbow bend for recreational use by the Rivergate folks & Metroparks visitors. Yes I know the idea of rerouting the river here and at Scranton Rd Peninsula has been floated a hundred times over a hundred years. And yes I know it is extremely expensive with major environmental considerations to be worked through. Doesn't mean it's not a good idea though. Anyway I extended the walking path from FEB to Settlers Landing and added a pedestrian bridge. I wrapped the entire peninsula-turned-island in a boardwalk. Overlaid the renderings of Rivergate and the skatepark in their approximate locations. Added some greenery, plazas, courtyards, fountains, restaurants, etc. Overall, replacing what little is left of decrepit industry with an abundance of people. I know my "rendering" isn't exactly pretty, and the idea is just a tad far fetched. But hey, it was made on a phone and a guy's allowed to dream right? I'll tell ya: a bored man on a lunch break with an iPhone and photo editing apps can be a dangerous thing indeed!! You're hired. Welcome to the...team? p.s. If your island concept involves destroying the Hustler Club in the process, I support it.
June 7, 201213 yr p.s. If your island concept involves destroying the Hustler Club in the process, I support it. I don't... Flynt, with his vast resources + the relocation $, would just build another joint, this time, perhaps, closer to one of the City's up 'n coming areas. I know some on the FWB griped when he moved to his current location from Old River Rd, but at least he's shoe-horned next to Diamonds Mens club, and a drab, industrail area of the Flats.
June 7, 201213 yr Looks good. Maintaining the access from the east bank of the flats would be desirable however. https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
June 7, 201213 yr p.s. If your island concept involves destroying the Hustler Club in the process, I support it. I don't... Flynt, with his vast resources + the relocation $, would just build another joint, this time, perhaps, closer to one of the City's up 'n coming areas. I know some on the FWB griped when he moved to his current location from Old River Rd, but at least he's shoe-horned next to Diamonds Mens club, and a drab, industrail area of the Flats. To be clear, it's not so much the nature of the business I'm against (though, I do think its siting sends a bad message to neighborhood residents). It's the architecture of the building that is offensive. It's terrible. You should not be able to construct a windowless building. The future of the Flats absolutely depends on being walkable.
June 7, 201213 yr p.s. If your island concept involves destroying the Hustler Club in the process, I support it. I don't... Flynt, with his vast resources + the relocation $, would just build another joint, this time, perhaps, closer to one of the City's up 'n coming areas. I know some on the FWB griped when he moved to his current location from Old River Rd, but at least he's shoe-horned next to Diamonds Mens club, and a drab, industrail area of the Flats. To be clear, it's not so much the nature of the business I'm against (though, I do think its siting sends a bad message to neighborhood residents). It's the architecture of the building that is offensive. It's terrible. You should not be able to construct a windowless building. The future of the Flats absolutely depends on being walkable. I can agree with the notion that a strip club with windows would likely promote foot traffic in the neighborhood
June 7, 201213 yr ^ Bingo!! But honestly, they have ways of tinting windows. A brick wall is usually a brick wall for the life of the building. The Crooked River Brewng building was much more suited for the site.
June 8, 201213 yr Author CLEbertarian, I like your plan for the "island." Two needs: 1) a road bridge connecting the island directly to Settlers Landing/downtown. 2) the RTA viaduct is much lower at the northeast end to get into the Tower City Station than it is at the southwest end where it is high enough for large ships to pass under it. Only small watercraft are likely to fit under the northeast end of the bridge. A lift bridge is likely not allowable by the Federal Transit Administration given the frequency of Red Line trains and RTA's placement of Shaker train layover tracks on the viaduct. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 8, 201213 yr Great to see phase 1 reach this important milestone...can't wait for phase one to be complete and to turn some dirt on phase 2!
June 8, 201213 yr Sorry bout that clevechinola. You caught me before I changed that last post! I left computer on and didn't refresh the board before responding an realized we'd moved way past that topic!
June 8, 201213 yr Mod, Please delete if too far off topic. I always thought it would be better to straighten the river on the south side. You could reuse two lift bridges that currently sit idle and move them to scraton road. (If the bridge can still operate.) You could still have the boardwalk to the skate park this way. Sorry about the image quality. My lack of photo editing skills combine with the 200kb image limit really hacked this up.
June 8, 201213 yr It's been proposed before, but I'm pretty sure we have a scranton peninsula thread around here somewhere where this would be perfect. (yes, I am too lazy to look for it before someone asks.)
June 8, 201213 yr Wow! That looks AMAZING! This building is really going to be AMAzing! Does anyone know if they are planning on building a second midrise building in the flats? I remember there was a rendering that came out late last year? That had a picture of a building with 21-23 floors near the river?
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