More:

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/group-suing-city-council-tells-dennard-she-is-being-hunted-calls-seelbach-a-douche-

 

COAST is right on about one thing. Chris Seelbach is a Giant Douche

^ Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous that he asked the CPD to look into that Tweet. A police manhunt is a common colloquialism.

 

This is not as ridiculous as Seelbach's infamous 911 call to the CPD, but in the same realm.

Edited November 29, 20186 yr by Ram23

We live in an era when alt right people are resorting to physical violence, such as driving their vehicle into a crowd of people. When an alt right group says that an African American elected official is being "hunted" it needs to be taken seriously.

 

 

^ I couldn't possibly be rolling my eyes any harder. It's beyond obvious that "manhunt" in the context of that Wikipedia article I linked to is what they were talking about. The Sheriff's department is literally out searching for Young in order to serve her. There really isn't a better wort to use to describe this.

 

I'm not even remotely surprised that a handful of folks are really, really trying to play the race card here. Anything to distract from the ongoing grand jury inquiry into the destruction of evidence by Young and Dennard. The coverup is almost certainly worse than whatever they had texted about. They should just own it.

Edited November 29, 20186 yr by Ram23

35 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

^ Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous that he asked the CPD to look into that Tweet. A police manhunt is a common colloquialism.

 

This is not as ridiculous as Seelbach's infamous 911 call to the CPD, but in the same realm.

 

 

From knowing the guy personally, I cant think of a bigger douche that is out there than him

Didn't Cranley also drop his phone into a hot tub? Where was the outrage over that? What is it with this City Council and butterfingers? I'm honestly glad that the Dayton city commission never does anything exciting, ever. 

Cranley, Dennard and Young are 3 different issues.

 

When Cranley dropped his in a hot tub, his texts were not under scrutiny and he was not subject to an order to preserve the texts. That is a big difference right there.

Dennard, was subject to the order to preserve the texts and was negligent in her preservation of them by dropping her phone in the pool or hot tub. Legally, in the grand scheme of things, she likely gets a pass as long as there is no proof that she dropped in the pool purposefully.  IT comes down to that for her and, I don't really see how to prove that.

 

Young is the one in trouble because after being told he is subject to the order, he willfully deleted the texts on his own. Dennard may have egg on her face but no legal trouble, but Young could be in trouble for opening defying a court order.

30 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

It's beyond obvious that "manhunt" in the context of that Wikipedia article I linked to is what they were talking about.

"In law enforcement, a manhunt is an extensive and thorough search for a wanted and dangerous fugitive involving the use of police units, technology, and help from the public."

 

It's "beyond obvious" THAT'S what they're talking about??

^ I think you have a valid critique that the use of the phrase was hyperbole. COAST very well may have committed rhetorical wrongdoing, but certainly not criminal wrongdoing.

 

Again, it's very obvious in context that the people searching for her are sheriff's deputies.

 

 

Between this COAST tweet and the Hamilton County GOP's tweet about how "responsible parents don't send their kids to Cincinnati Public Schools" (which they deleted after receiving criticism), it's unfortunate to see so much thinly veiled racism entering local politics.

There is nothing about the service of a warrant, subpoena, or any other court document that is the equivalent of a "manhunt"--which is what we get when there's someone on the loose who has committed a violent crime or is otherwise a dangerous fugitive.

 

Could it be a simple word choice error on COAST's part?  Or is it dog-whistle politics?  I'll let you decide.  

13 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

^ I think you have a valid critique that the use of the phrase was hyperbole. COAST very well may have committed rhetorical wrongdoing, but certainly not criminal wrongdoing.

 

Again, it's very obvious in context that the people searching for her are sheriff's deputies.

 

 

What I'm hearing is they were obviously NOT using the "common colloquialism" in a literal way, at which point one might wonder whether it was being used at all, and if so in what sense. It's really all up to interpretation at that point, and a literal reading of their language creates a very bad look.

 

It's up to prosecutors and the courts to determine whether their "hyperbole" is prosecutable or criminal, just as the severity and criminality of the councilmembers' actions are up to the same.

1 hour ago, taestell said:

Between this COAST tweet and the Hamilton County GOP's tweet about how "responsible parents don't send their kids to Cincinnati Public Schools" (which they deleted after receiving criticism), it's unfortunate to see so much thinly veiled racism entering local politics.

 

I never understood what was "racist" about that Tweet, either. I'd counter by saying that there are several successful CPS schools, and although most receive failing grades from the state, many folks simply can't afford to relocate or pay for private schools (though there's a greater societal question about the responsibility of choosing to have a child when you can't afford to raise it - but I'm not going to derail this discussion with that one).

 

Labeling innocuous statements like these as "racist" really just alienates average and apolitical folks, and worse - it downplays actual racism in a "boy who cried wolf" manner.

 

 

^ What is racist about the tweet is that PG needs it to be and needs to be seen calling it out because he does not have the minority identity to fall back upon for the mayors race against Smitherman so he has to manufacture his ability to be an "ally" wherever he can.  Look for more of this garbage from him.

What's more ridiculous about COAST's tweet is that its premise is totally false. The Business Courier reports that all five subpoenaed council members, including Dennard, have already given or already agreed to give their message history over to the city. This is no active "manhunt" going on.

1 minute ago, taestell said:

What's more ridiculous about COAST's tweet is that its premise is totally false. The Business Courier reports that all five subpoenaed council members, including Dennard, have already given or already agreed to give their message history over to the city. This is no active "manhunt" going on.

So if they weren't talking about sheriffs/deputies, who were they talking about?

I missed this part where they clarified a bit of what they meant:

 

Apparently the presence of guns was key.  Why would that be?

2 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

^ What is racist about the tweet is that PG needs it to be and needs to be seen calling it out because he does not have the minority identity to fall back upon for the mayors race against Smitherman so he has to manufacture his ability to be an "ally" wherever he can.  Look for more of this garbage from him.

 

Meanwhile, Smitherman is a spectacular Uncle Tom.  Further, I suspect that he might be exaggerating his wife's illness, if it wasn't entirely fabricated.  The flowery Enquirer profile article which ran in November 2017 presented his wife as just a few breaths from death, with dramatic (staged!) photographs of him carrying her.  But apparently she's still alive. 

BOth sides need to grow up and quit acting like a bunch of Seelbachs

I'm not a big fan of Sittenfeld.  But at least his political strategy doesn't center around fooling old people.  Go to any old people's home and there is Smitherman literature all over the place and the old ladies can't write the checks fast enough. 

Another totally not racist tweet from COAST where they refer to the President of the Cincinnati branch of the NAACP as a "thug".

 

 

No doubt COAST/Smitherman are worried about Rob Richardson running for mayor in three years.  He and Yvette Simpson came relatively close to knocking Cranley out of office in the May 2017 primary. 

COAST used to be in bed with NAACP and they were very close when Smitherman was in charge of it. There was a big rift with Richardson when he took over. Hence the negativity toward the organization when led by Richardson.

 

You may not be a fan of Smitherman, but Richardson Sr. is a crook and Richardson Jr. just rides daddy's coattails.

Figured you all would find this funny/sad. My twitter feed under the same name as here that only has three followers picked up a fourth today. Brian Shrive of COAST. I barely tweet but i do follow local reporters & council members and have liked one or two posts from people calling COAST out after their childish/hideously juvenile posts in the last few days. Looks like they have lots of time to search out and try to intimidate/data mine potential adversaries no matter how small. Must be a slow polo day in Indian Hill today.

That's not surprising at all. I can guarantee that members of COAST are patrolling this thread as well.

10 hours ago, SleepyLeroy said:

Figured you all would find this funny/sad. My twitter feed under the same name as here that only has three followers picked up a fourth today. Brian Shrive of COAST. I barely tweet but i do follow local reporters & council members and have liked one or two posts from people calling COAST out after their childish/hideously juvenile posts in the last few days. Looks like they have lots of time to search out and try to intimidate/data mine potential adversaries no matter how small. Must be a slow polo day in Indian Hill today.

Are you sure it wasn't the recently created Brian Shrive parody account?

34 minutes ago, JohnClevesSymmes said:

Are you sure it wasn't the recently created Brian Shrive parody account?

 

 

Haha, Im not sure but i will check. It looked pretty official and i didnt see any humor in the posts just the usual cringe inducing and pettiness I'm used to seeing. Boy the bar to getting a parody account of yourself sure has fallen.

 

Pre send Edit. Yep I'm pretty sure it is the parody account Doh. I should have realized when all the pics were upsidedown but i work on computers all day and any type of a 'lack of technical knowledge' doesn't phase me anymore.

 

 

The "Textgate" scandal was a gigantic nothingburger. Months and months of fodder for WLW, PX, and fake Twitter accounts with American flag avatars and usernames like CincyBuckeye and CincyHustle513. In the end, the city had to pay a $11,000 fine... plus $90,000 to Chris Finney of COAST.

 

 

Except that the "gang of 5" has now paid into coast war chest so at the end of the day a fairly big negative in my book.

The city could have saved $90,000 if these five council members would have owned up to their crimes at the get go. They could have settled and paid the fine without the drawn out, expensive fight. 

The councilmen were pretty stupid for using text messages to communicate if only for the possibility of those communications being subpoenaed. 

 

If you see yourself running for office one, do not use email, ever.  Do not text, ever.  Do not use social media, ever.  Your campaign and staff should use burner phones and never text.  Never email.  Have no social media accounts. 

 

Go somewhere loud and cover your mouths with your gloves. 

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2006/10/21/Most-agree-that-there-s-no-lip-reading-in-baseball/stories/200610210211

 

Actual text messages (SMS) are a completely insecure medium and no one should be using it for anything, regardless of whether or not you are running for office or "have anything to hide." There are many other messaging platforms that offer end-to-end encryption like Signal and iMessage. Email is also completely insecure and should not ever be used for sending anything sensitive.

Even medical forms now have disclaimers saying texting isn't secure.

What about public online forums? 

Assume COAST is reading everything you post here. Because they are.

Mark Miller with frivolous citizen lawsuit #62:

https://www.fox19.com/2020/02/11/complaint-councilwoman-tamaya-dennard-violated-state-law-by-paying-herself-campaign-fund/

Chris Finney's law firm is now representing businesses that are suing over the state's closure of non-essential businesses.

 

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Cincinnati retailer wins court battle to be considered essential

 

Amazon Beauty Supply, located at 6521 Winton Road, sued Hamilton County Public Health and its interim commissioner, Greg Kesterman, on April 3 after the county health department told the retailer it had to shut its doors to comply with Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine's March 22 order closing all non-essential businesses.

 

Just four days later, the case was settled out of court and dismissed on April 7. The result: Amazon Beauty Supply is allowed to remain open to the public, with some social distancing practices put into place and some non-essential merchandise not for sale.

 

But here's the kicker:

 

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In the lawsuit, owner Sean Lee argued Amazon Beauty Supply sells personal care products that include personal protective equipment like N95 masks, and many of his customers are home healthcare providers who rely on his store to continue being able to care for their clients.

 

If you need an N95 mask, go buy one from Amazon Beauty Supply! Apparently they have them in stock!

The grifting continues:

 

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Music festival organizers, concert-goer sue Dr. Amy Acton

 

“There is no difference,” wrote attorney Curt Hartman, "between a large crowd gathering in the downtown of a large Ohio city to hear speech from speakers versus a large crowd gathering at Renaissance Park or Clay’s Park Resort (or at other venues) to hear speech in the form of music and other entertainment. [...]

 

The “concert goer,” Mark Miller, says in the complaint his rights are violated because he’s prevented from attending the festivals, held each year in August.

 

Miller is treasurer of Coalition Opposed to Additional Spending and Taxes (COAST). He was the plaintiff on the “Gang of Five” lawsuit against the city of Cincinnati and five council members for the release of their secret texts and emails they exchanged to privately conduct city business.

 

Finney also sued to get Kings Island opened, one day before the state announced the plan to reopen theme parks. 

Is COAST a strictly Cincinnati regional organization?  I've never heard of them, though of course I'm generally familiar with all kinds of legal-activist groups (conservative, libertarian, progressive, religious, secularist, and otherwise).

 

ETA: I now recognize the name Finney, though, and apparently I should have recognized Hartman as well.  They were both on the complaint in northeast Ohio regarding reopening gyms, though COAST wasn't involved with that unless those two are involved with that organization.

 

https://www.fox19.com/2020/05/20/ohio-gyms-able-reopen-now-court-ruling-states/

I think all the COAST boys live in the Cincinnati suburbs, except for Mark Miller. Since he lives in city limits, he always serves as the plaintiff of these cases when they sue the City of Cincinnati. Since their guy got elected mayor, they have largely stopped suing the City of Cincinnati (except for the "gang of 5" stuff) and have moved on to suing the county and state. I believe that have also worked with other conservative groups to get things like red light camera bans passed in other cities.

6 hours ago, Gramarye said:

I've never heard of them

 

Can you clarify as to whether they're suing Amy Acton personally?  I am not a lawyer.  The lawsuit reads "in her official capacity and in her individual capacity".  Does that mean that she will personally have to hire a defense?

 

Reading through this lawsuit, it seems like a lawyer dictated the thing to his secretary and the thing was barely proofread.  Plus, they seem like they're just trolling:

 

 

Line 30:

ad hoc actions of AMY ACTON

 

Line 31:

quickly approaching a go-no-go deadline of whether to cancel Bellweather 

 

Line 34:

Mark W. Miller intends to attend and camp

 

Line 106:

Furthermore, the so-called "expert" upon which 

 

 

Also, the lawsuit claims that Mark Miller does not have Covid-19, yet provides no test result to affirm this claim.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Can you clarify as to whether they're suing Amy Acton personally?  I am not a lawyer.  The lawsuit reads "in her official capacity and in her individual capacity".  Does that mean that she will personally have to hire a defense?

 

Reading through this lawsuit, it seems like a lawyer dictated the thing to his secretary and the thing was barely proofread.  Plus, they seem like they're just trolling:

 

 

Line 30:

ad hoc actions of AMY ACTON

 

Line 31:

quickly approaching a go-no-go deadline of whether to cancel Bellweather 

 

Line 34:

Mark W. Miller intends to attend and camp

 

Line 106:

Furthermore, the so-called "expert" upon which 

 

 

Also, the lawsuit claims that Mark Miller does not have Covid-19, yet provides no test result to affirm this claim. 

 

Some thoughts in both directions here:

 

(1) Many complaints can read like they're trolling to those of different allegiances, especially civil rights or consumer rights complaints.  That said, it's bad writing.  The acts should tell the story, not the rhetoric, when there is a story to be told.  (Some complaints are obviously much more dry and clinical, e.g., a standard collection or foreclosure complaint.)

 

(2) I don't understand naming Dr. Acton in her personal capacity.  I think the judge will likely ask about that.  My guess it has something to do with the request for damages, in some sense like suits against police officers in their personal capacities, but this is emphatically not my area of the law.  Regardless, I'm sure she is both indemnified by the state and the state will handle her defense.

 

(3) I don't understand the carping about Neil Ferguson and other allegations that are essentially irrelevant to her power.  I'm being somewhat charitable to their argument here, but I'm going to assume (for lack of anything else to glom onto) that this is part of arguing that Dr. Acton's orders were "arbitrary and capricious" under administrative law, assuming state administrative law is the same as federal administrative law (but I don't really know that, because the "arbitrary and capricious" standard for setting aside federal agency action arises from the federal Administrative Procedures Act, and I have literally zero idea if Ohio has an analogous statute or judicially constructed rule).  This would be a separate and independent line of attack on the stay-at-home order, separate from the issue of whether applicable state statute gives her the power in the first place.  Assuming the same standard applies, it's the difference between having constitutions and statutes for what powers regulators have at all and also statutory or judicial rules on how those powers can be used.

 

I'm obviously skeptical of the latter issue.  I can think of multiple counterarguments and a lot of the complaint reads like just Facebook-style venting.  But I might have said similar things about the complaint regarding northeast Ohio gyms, and they found a judge willing to buy into that one.

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The “concert goer,” Mark Miller

 

On 6/12/2020 at 5:32 PM, jmecklenborg said:

Line 34:

Mark W. Miller intends to attend and camp

 

I demand to see Mark Miller's Ticketmaster purchase history to prove that he is, in fact, a "concert goer".

 

Did he even purchase a ticket to Bellweather so that he would have standing in this case? Was one donated by Bellweather's libertarian founder? Or are we supposed to believe that his rights are being infringed simply because he would like to go to Bellweather but can't?

COAST-affiliated lawyer Curt Hartman is representing Kanye West:

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/08/kanye-west-asks-ohio-supreme-court-to-order-his-name-on-states-presidential-ballot.html

10 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

COAST-affiliated lawyer Curt Hartman is representing Kanye West:

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/08/kanye-west-asks-ohio-supreme-court-to-order-his-name-on-states-presidential-ballot.html

Kanye for America!!

 

The most diverse presidential ticket ever, the most diverse presidential couple ever. Because ideas matter!! Don't be Heartless, vote Kanye!! Trump has the gold and Harris is a Golddigger, vote for Kanye!!!

 

The ads just write themselves.

Tamaya Dennard blames her $4,000 bribe-funded vacation on COAST (read the letter):

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/dennard-calls-accepting-15k-for-favorable-votes-a-terrible-mistake-in-letter-to-court

COAST henchman Jeff Capell serving on Blue Ash City Council:

https://www.blueash.com/government/city_council/council_representatives/government/city_council/jeffcapell.php