I used to have a copy of a ranking from Gorman Report from about '96 or '98 that directly ranked MUP's.  It gave roughly the top third or quarter of schools, about 25 or so, if I remember right.  The only Ohio school on the list was Ohio State, towards the middle of that pack.  CSU's MUP wouldn't have been accredited at that point, I believe (does anyone know for sure?).  MIT and Berkeley were the top two, I think.  I don't know where that list is now.  (does anyone even believe me at this point, I don't know)

 

Anyway, I think that if you are going to proxy planning school ranking off of a list for some other major, it depends on what angle of planning you are interested in.  If you are interested in policy then maybe Urban Management schools are appropriate to look at.  If you are interested in design and physical planning, then maybe Architecture schools are more relevant.

X,

 

Good point.  Planning can take so many different shapes and sizes.  Planning=solving the city's problems.  Those problems can be vast and diverse.  Racial, economic, physical--a planner should be well-versed in the different issues that face the city.

Planning Departments are usually in Architecture or Engineering colleges. 

 

I wouldn't say 'usually'. I would say 'sometimes.'  Urban planning is the amoeba of graduate programs.  It seems to fit in with many different types of colleges.  I had never heard of an urban planning department within an engineering college.  That is scary.  I don't want any engineers controling planning. 

 

Uh...usually.  Not sometimes.  They are usually in the architectural grad school, design-wise.  Ohio State's City & Regional Planning department is under the architecture school, which in turn is under the Engineering School.  Thus, CRP at OSU is under Engineering.  That does not mean that engineers have any sort of say; it's just "where it is."

"That does not mean that engineers have any sort of say; it's just "where it is." "

 

That sends a bad message.  Colday, it seems that you fall more on the design side of planning. Design-focused planning schools are part of the picture, but not the majority. You would obviously have a different point of view.  CSU has more of a roll-your-sleeves-up, get dirt under your fingernails, and try to help the city any way that you can.  A great number of city planning schools have a similar focus. If the urban planning school is in an architectural college, then it would appear to me that it focus more on design and less on political issues.  You are into landscape architecture, correct?

That sends a bad message.

 

Not necessarily.  Planning envolves engineering, architecture, sociology, the environment, law, business, and politics.  Any of those fields would be "approrpriate" for planning, but in simple fact, planning itself deals with just that, planning.

 

Colday, it seems that you fall more on the design side of planning.

 

I'm more 50/50.  I think design/environment and sociology/business/law should be cohesive.  One does not exist without the other.  Otherwise, we'd all be Houston.

 

Design-focused planning schools are part of the picture, but not the majority.

 

Eh, you'd be surprised how many schools have design in their planning departments.  Planning has many different fields and universities usually decide to pick a couple or sometimes generalize them all (re: OSU's specialty planning courses).  Design BETTER be a part of a planning department along with law, sociology, business, environment, etc.  Otherwise, what's the use of getting a slice of pizza instead of the whole thing?

 

CSU has more of a roll-your-sleeves-up, get dirt under your fingernails, and try to help the city any way that you can.

 

That means nothing to me since I presume all schools have that.  OSU certainly covers all the basics; ditto with UC; ditto with MIT; ditto with Cornell; etc.  A school with only a focus on design, or a focus on business, or a focus on blah blah shouldn't be accredited.  Otherwise, if I wanted to specialize in GIS, why would I go to a design-oriented school?  Choices, choices, choices.

 

A great number of city planning schools have a similar focus.

 

Well, they can get their fingernails dirty all they want but I gotta get back to this Excel spreadsheet.

 

If the urban planning school is in an architectural college, then it would appear to me that it focus more on design and less on political issues.

 

Again, not necessarily.  An architectural college is not just "design."  The CRP program at OSU holds most (if not all) basics of planning (Environmental, Housing, Real-Estate, Design Studio, Law, Business practices, grant-writing, etc).  Landscape architecture, also in OSU's architecture school, perhaps deals with sociology moreso than planning does (as it is the forefather to planning ;)).  Besides, who said design is simply aesthetics?  Function needs a canvas.

 

You are into landscape architecture, correct?

 

I have a B.S. in it.

Colday,

 

You are twisting a lot of what I say.  It renders the conversation useless and attempts to turn a basic fact-gathering post into some sort of competition. 

Planning Departments are usually in Architecture or Engineering colleges. 

 

I wouldn't say 'usually'. I would say 'sometimes.'  Urban planning is the amoeba of graduate programs.  It seems to fit in with many different types of colleges.  I had never heard of an urban planning department within an engineering college.  That is scary.  I don't want any engineers controling planning. 

 

Uh...usually.  Not sometimes.  They are usually in the architectural grad school, design-wise.  Ohio State's City & Regional Planning department is under the architecture school, which in turn is under the Engineering School.  Thus, CRP at OSU is under Engineering.  That does not mean that engineers have any sort of say; it's just "where it is."

 

Dude, Engineers and Planners are on opposing sides of things.

New Urbanism = Planners

Build it with no cares to the environment around them = Engineers

 

Next you'll be telling us that fine arts (because there is a fine arts component to architecture) is in engineering.

Colday,

 

You are twisting a lot of what I say.  It renders the conversation useless and attempts to turn a basic fact-gathering post into some sort of competition. 

 

I did not mean to, if that is what came across.  It was simply a rebuttle to your comments. 

 

Dude, Engineers and Planners are on opposing sides of things.

New Urbanism = Planners

Build it with no cares to the environment around them = Engineers

 

They have to work together.  That's the point.  There are similarities between the two, as they all deal with human scale/structure.  Granted, you are correct when saying they butt heads when regarding HOW to impliment a plan (or lack there of) but both deal with landscapes (which ISN'T just trees and pools, folks).

 

Next you'll be telling us that fine arts (because there is a fine arts component to architecture) is in engineering.

 

I wish I could tell you that.  They'd get more money that way ;).

and no, i don't have tickets to your gun show

Anyway - back on topic:

 

Funny, your head doesn't look that big in the picture.

Planning Departments are usually in Architecture or Engineering colleges. 

 

I wouldn't say 'usually'. I would say 'sometimes.'  Urban planning is the amoeba of graduate programs.  It seems to fit in with many different types of colleges.  I had never heard of an urban planning department within an engineering college.  That is scary.  I don't want any engineers controling planning. 

 

Uh...usually.  Not sometimes.  They are usually in the architectural grad school, design-wise.  Ohio State's City & Regional Planning department is under the architecture school, which in turn is under the Engineering School.  Thus, CRP at OSU is under Engineering.  That does not mean that engineers have any sort of say; it's just "where it is."

 

Dude, Engineers and Planners are on opposing sides of things.

New Urbanism = Planners

Build it with no cares to the environment around them = Engineers

 

Next you'll be telling us that fine arts (because there is a fine arts component to architecture) is in engineering.

 

Engineers gotta deal with budgets ;-)

Is this better?

 

lol

 

Yes, much.  And it gives me a whole bunch of photo editing ideas to boot. :evil:

A couple of days ago..

 

 

 

Webcam?!?

Nikon Coolpix S4, with the swivel lens!

I'm in the upper right-hand corner... next to ColDayMan (and behind WheelingMan)

 

I'm in the upper right-hand corner... next to ColDayMan (and behind WheelingMan)

 

Please tell me that you are the one in the black turtle neck and not the "golf beanie" and shades.

Here is a photo of myself since I haven't posted one in a while.

 

^

Haven't aged a bit since the last picture you've post ;)

what's written on your arms?

On the group pic..whos the old guy in blue on the right?

Jeff, Ex-Ithacan isn't your type ;)

 

Yeah, back off biotch!!! I've got dibs on Ex-Ithacan!!!  :-D

Jeff, as you can easily see from the pic, I'm an old, fat, short, white guy.  Despite MayDay's claim, not even my own wife wants me.  My lot in life has come down to making sure my daughter has the best upbringing I can give her and is happy with her life.  Not trying to sound noble or anything, just being a parent. :-)

 

 

 

of course she may end up in a cult and impregnated by an outlaw biker :|

Ex-Ithacan is one of the coolest people I've ever met!

Evergrey, you gotta out more. :laugh:

^Well, he does live in Wooster...

^ OK, that 'splains it.

of course she may end up in a cult and impregnated by an outlaw biker :|

 

...or cutting her hair short, wearing sweatshirts and hanging with a lesbian softball team. :-D

Well thanks for putting that image in head Rob. :-o

 

 

 

:wink:

With my Christmas presents

 

Yeesh, happy holidays indeed!  :-D

You mean the sweater and the matching shoes and hat, or the stack o' gear behind you?

You mean the sweater and the matching shoes and hat, or the stack o' gear behind you?

 

Hah! The shoes and hat have attended several forum meets, and the sweater is thirty years old. It's completely worn out but the most comfortable one I own; I had to sit so the holes wouldn't show  :laugh:

 

Here's my Christmas toy unpacked and assembled:

 

 

 

 

A screenshot of my desktop - I haven't had time to customize it, yet:

 

^i have a 800mhz gateway

^ Which is he supposed to feel- guilt or pity?

pity, lots of pity

 

that and his camera whoops this shit out mine too. I really should strive to be more rob-like, start fixing up old tractors, move to a semi-rural area, find a 30 year old sweater and scan some ektachromes

Rob, there is a slight problem.  Urbanohio does not yet support 64 bit processors so we're gonna have to ban you.  ;)

 

 

Also, I just noticed we have the exact same mouse pad!  Bought mine at Staples about a month and a half ago.

Rob, there is a slight problem.  Urbanohio does not yet support 64 bit processors so we're gonna have to ban you.  ;)

Also, I just noticed we have the exact same mouse pad!  Bought mine at Staples about a month and a half ago.

 

No problem. I've been thrown out of rowdier places than this :-D

 

Kind of going off-topic for this thread, but 64-bit drivers are a challenge. It took a lot of searching and downloading, but I finally found them for everything except my scanners. Nikon says they're thinking about it, but they're pretty noncommittal. Microtek just says no. I'll probably have to run the scanners with my laptop, for now.

 

Ditto on the mouse pad. After falling on the floor once too often, my ball mouse finally died, and I replaced it with an optical mouse and a new pad. Much better! On the new setup I have a Logitech wireless keyboard & mouse. Best yet.

 

I'm running an Athlon 64 3700+ with 2 GB PC3200 DDR and two 10,000rpm WD SATA drives in RAID 0. It's pretty quick.

I wish santa would have brought me the same. 

I wish santa would have brought me the same. 

You have to be very good. Santa said I was the best ever! :lol:

I really should strive to be more rob-like, start fixing up old tractors, move to a semi-rural area, find a 30 year old sweater and scan some ektachromes

You can't just find a 30-year-old sweater; you have to own it for 30 years!

You can't just find a 30-year-old sweater; you have to own it for 30 years!

Like our father and his lovely fraying shirts from his grad school days in the '70s?  Or the 46 (46?) year old bike?

 

Slipping back into lurkerdom now...

I really should strive to be more rob-like, start fixing up old tractors, move to a semi-rural area, find a 30 year old sweater and scan some ektachromes

You can't just find a 30-year-old sweater; you have to own it for 30 years!

The clothing stock at the Madison thrift stores must be fairly up to date then.

You Go Rob.  Isn't it great to be able to get some fun toys in the later years and not have to answer to anyone about it? 

 

30 year old sweaters are cool.

Or the 46 (46?) year old bike?

 

You were saying ....?

 

your life amuses me rob

You can't just find a 30-year-old sweater; you have to own it for 30 years!

Like our father and his lovely fraying shirts from his grad school days in the '70s?  Or the 46 (46?) year old bike?

 

Slipping back into lurkerdom now...

 

AH HA!!  THERE you are!

^ So elusive... come back, La!

 

Rob, how old is your bike?  My (and LaMichelle's) dad still enjoys the bike he got in 1960, in the 8th grade if I recall.  Would that perhaps be brand new compared to yours?

^ So elusive... come back, La!

 

Rob, how old is your bike?  My (and LaMichelle's) dad still enjoys the bike he got in 1960, in the 8th grade if I recall.  Would that perhaps be brand new compared to yours?

 

I think my 3-speed Raleigh DL-1 dates to about 1969, although it's a model that was relatively unchanged from the time it was introduced in the 1930's. My circa 1955 Raleigh Sports 3-speed was stolen from the basement garage when I lived in an apartment. I still think the landlord took it.

 

The Raleigh DL-1 is the bike that was used by British policemen and postmen. That style was popular as a commuter bike throughout much of Europe for many years, and a knockoff is still manufactured in India. The last I knew, a bike shop in Madison sold them.

 

It has 28 x 1 1/2 tires, and if you examine the brakes, you'll see that they're operated by rod linkages instead of the cables that are more common. The low frame angles, long wheelbase, and big wheels give it a very comfortable ride, even on bad streets. It weighs about 35 pounds, but rolls surprisingly nicely.

 

your life amuses me rob

 

Me, too. Survival in Fort Wayne would be difficult without a sense of humor. By tolerating the preposterous and embracing the merely ridiculous and ironic, I manage to thrive here.