Posted August 19, 200618 yr From the Ohio News Network: Case Western, Ohio State Garner High Rankings Aug 18 2006 1:12PM COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - US News and World Report has released its 2007 edition of America's best colleges, and two Ohio universities have garnered high praise. Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University earned the highest overall ranking in the state, coming in at 38th on the list, which evaluates schools based on graduation rates, retention, student-faculty ratios and other criteria. Princeton University earned the highest honors this year, topping Harvard and Yale. Ohio State University also cracked the magazine's list of the top 20 public universities in the nation, placing 19th. OSU earned 58th in the overall rankings, tied with the University of Pittsburgh and Boston University. Not a shocker but having the #1 college in a state with a huge amount of schools is pretty big feat!
August 19, 200618 yr don't believe the hype case blows. I've never been too impressed by any of Ohio's schools, but Case still seems like the best. The majority of Ohio's universities had third or fourth tier ranking, so I'm impressed Case got as far as it did.
August 19, 200618 yr ^^^ HEY! I went to Kent State, and I got a great education. I know I'd get a good education at OU or OSU, too. Probably have more fun at OSU, though, I assume. Don't forget Oberlin, too. The perfect school if you want to one day become an indie-rock cult hero or magazine editor in NYC. edit: IMO, those rankings are as out of wack as the Forbes city listings. You get what you put into your education. A degree from Ohio State is going to mean a lot more than some of those prissy liberal arts schools because everyone knows OSU.
August 19, 200618 yr Er...when did Case become a prissy liberal arts school? The curriculum sure has changed...
August 20, 200618 yr ^^^ HEY! I went to Kent State, and I got a great education. I know I'd get a good education at OU or OSU, too. Probably have more fun at OSU, though, I assume. Don't forget Oberlin, too. The perfect school if you want to one day become an indie-rock cult hero or magazine editor in NYC. edit: IMO, those rankings are as out of wack as the Forbes city listings. You get what you put into your education. A degree from Ohio State is going to mean a lot more than some of those prissy liberal arts schools because everyone knows OSU. Wouldn't you have more fun at OU, the 2nd biggest party school in the nation? ;) I don't debate that you can get a good education at an Ohio school, but I just am always surprised that we don't have higher ranking universities. It seems if you really want a top-notch education you have to go out of state (unless it's a specific program that draws a lot of out-of-staters like Scripps at OU or Case's engineering program).
August 20, 200618 yr I don't think you should be so surprised. Most states (with the exception of California and New York) have one higher ranking public university that is considered "top-notch", Ohio actually has Miami and OSU putting it ahead of most states. Plus other than Case, and possibly Xavier, Ohio does not have any "large" private institutions that could possibly be considered in the running as "top notch". I also believe that something like 75% of the schools in the top 50 are located on the East Coast. This has a lot to do with these schools simply having been around longer than others in the country, maintaining their name recognition and reputation, and having high donation rates. Ohio also has an abundance of smaller liberal arts colleges and some of those are quite highly ranked. The number of institutions, big and small, in Ohio is actually quite amazing. What should really be looked at his how Ohio campares to the rest of the midwest -- Illinois in front followed closely by Michigan and Ohio.
August 20, 200618 yr Er...when did Case become a prissy liberal arts school? The curriculum sure has changed... I wasn't talking about Case; I was talking about those weenie schools in New England that no one has ever heard of. My cousin went to one!
August 20, 200618 yr I was talking about those weenie schools in New England that no one has ever heard of. My cousin went to one! How do you define "weenie schools"?
August 20, 200618 yr ^^ I was just exaggerating. All I'm saying is, you get what you put into your education.
August 20, 200618 yr Now, I didn't go to any of thos New England weenie schools, but I highly doubt that the average starting salary of an OSU grad comes anywhere close to the starting salary of a weenie school graduate. Additionally, while I agree that you get out what you put in, there are many high profile schools that have some excellent professors. Professors (at least at the schools where you are lucky enough to have small classes) make a major difference in the quality of an education.
August 20, 200618 yr Now, I didn't go to any of thos New England weenie schools, but I highly doubt that the average starting salary of an OSU grad comes anywhere close to the starting salary of a weenie school graduate. Additionally, while I agree that you get out what you put in, there are many high profile schools that have some excellent professors. Professors (at least at the schools where you are lucky enough to have small classes) make a major difference in the quality of an education. Malcolm Gladwell wrote an essay about this somewhat recently: At the heart of the American obsession with the Ivy League is the belief that schools like Harvard provide the social and intellectual equivalent of Marine Corps basic training—that being taught by all those brilliant professors and meeting all those other motivated students and getting a degree with that powerful name on it will confer advantages that no local state university can provide. Fuelling the treatment-effect idea are studies showing that if you take two students with the same S.A.T. scores and grades, one of whom goes to a school like Harvard and one of whom goes to a less selective college, the Ivy Leaguer will make far more money ten or twenty years down the road. The extraordinary emphasis the Ivy League places on admissions policies, though, makes it seem more like a modelling agency than like the Marine Corps, and, sure enough, the studies based on those two apparently equivalent students turn out to be flawed. How do we know that two students who have the same S.A.T. scores and grades really are equivalent? It’s quite possible that the student who goes to Harvard is more ambitious and energetic and personable than the student who wasn’t let in, and that those same intangibles are what account for his better career success. To assess the effect of the Ivies, it makes more sense to compare the student who got into a top school with the student who got into that same school but chose to go to a less selective one. Three years ago, the economists Alan Krueger and Stacy Dale published just such a study. And they found that when you compare apples and apples the income bonus from selective schools disappears. “As a hypothetical example, take the University of Pennsylvania and Penn State, which are two schools a lot of students choose between,” Krueger said. “One is Ivy, one is a state school. Penn is much more highly selective. If you compare the students who go to those two schools, the ones who go to Penn have higher incomes. But let’s look at those who got into both types of schools, some of whom chose Penn and some of whom chose Penn State. Within that set it doesn’t seem to matter whether you go to the more selective school. Now, you would think that the more ambitious student is the one who would choose to go to Penn, and the ones choosing to go to Penn State might be a little less confident in their abilities or have a little lower family income, and both of those factors would point to people doing worse later on. But they don’t.” http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/articles/051010crat_atlarge
August 20, 200618 yr ^^^ HEY! I went to Kent State, and I got a great education. I know I'd get a good education at OU or OSU, too. Probably have more fun at OSU, though, I assume. Don't forget Oberlin, too. The perfect school if you want to one day become an indie-rock cult hero or magazine editor in NYC. edit: IMO, those rankings are as out of wack as the Forbes city listings. You get what you put into your education. A degree from Ohio State is going to mean a lot more than some of those prissy liberal arts schools because everyone knows OSU. Wouldn't you have more fun at OU, the 2nd biggest party school in the nation? ;) I don't debate that you can get a good education at an Ohio school, but I just am always surprised that we don't have higher ranking universities. It seems if you really want a top-notch education you have to go out of state (unless it's a specific program that draws a lot of out-of-staters like Scripps at OU or Case's engineering program). If you want to be a geographer go to OSU, unless you want to do cultural studies then you either go to Bowling Green or Akron. Not Hawaii, that's for certain.
August 21, 200618 yr unless you want to do cultural studies then you either go to Bowling Green or Akron. Not Hawaii, that's for certain. RUDE! I forgot, Bowling Green and Akron pretty much are the universal centers of culture.
August 21, 200618 yr unless you want to do cultural studies then you either go to Bowling Green or Akron. Not Hawaii, that's for certain. RUDE! I forgot, Bowling Green and Akron pretty much are the universal centers of culture. well fyi bowling green most certainly is for "pop" culture!
August 21, 200618 yr unless you want to do cultural studies then you either go to Bowling Green or Akron. Not Hawaii, that's for certain. RUDE! I forgot, Bowling Green and Akron pretty much are the universal centers of culture. well fyi bowling green most certainly is for "pop" culture! see you at the brauthaus
August 21, 200618 yr "Also, just to clear things up: Ohio only has five public schools NOT considered rock bottom, fourth-tier trash. Should that really surprise anyone given the lack of education funding in this state?" You can't be serious.
August 21, 200618 yr "Also, just to clear things up: Ohio only has five public schools NOT considered rock bottom, fourth-tier trash. Should that really surprise anyone given the lack of education funding in this state?" You can't be serious. the man put OU in the top tier, you can't argue with that.
August 21, 200618 yr I was talking about those weenie schools in New England that no one has ever heard of. My cousin went to one! How do you define "weenie schools"? Small east coast liberal arts colleges where people major in clam chowder.
August 21, 200618 yr I'd also like to mention that being a party school does not necessarily equal a bad education. UW-Madison was last ranked the biggest party school in the nation yet most of their programs are ranked in the top 10.
August 21, 200618 yr the man put OU in the top tier, you can't argue with that. Actually, US News & World Report put OU in the top tier! Ohio ranked 110th out of all public and private schools. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php 1. You are placing emphasis on constantly flawed ranking system 2. 110? 3. For example CWRU loses a handful of points every year because of "poor name recognition". Clearly, how well your school's name is known has a direct coorelation to how excellent of an education you receive.
August 21, 200618 yr did you catch the news today? there has been a retraction and revision! turns out bowling green whipped all the other ohio schools azzes when it came in ranked fourth overall. :clap: :drunk: :wink: National Universities: Top Schools 1. Princeton University(NJ) 2. Harvard University(MA) 3. Yale University(CT) 4. California Institute of Technology 4. Stanford University(CA) 4. Bowling Green State University(OH) 4. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 7. University of Pennsylvania 8. Duke University(NC) 9. Dartmouth College(NH) 9. Columbia University(NY) 9. University of Chicago etc.
August 21, 200618 yr ^LMAO CDawg please don't put Bowling Green on the same level as University of Cincinnati. That's insulting.
August 21, 200618 yr He put OU in the same category as OSU and Miami. That's just hilarious. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 21, 200618 yr the man put OU in the top tier, you can't argue with that. Actually, US News & World Report put OU in the top tier! Ohio University ranked 110th out of all public and private schools. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php OU has been slipping quite a bit recently. OU was ranked in the low 90's when I applied (2004), the high 90's my freshman year (2005) and now it's gone all the way to 110. I'm leaving OU (and Scripps, one of the best journalism schools in the country) because the rest of the school is so bad and getting worse. He put OU in the same category as OSU and Miami. That's just hilarious. OU's standout programs are still better than Miami's best.
August 21, 200618 yr Umm...define "standout programs?" "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
August 21, 200618 yr Umm...define "standout programs?" Maybe OU's top 5 journalism program? Actually, the entire Scripps College of Communications is top-notch and is one of the state's most prestigious large academic programs (I'm sure there are smaller programs that are higher ranked but they're not on the same level). BUT, nothing at either school compares to OU's flagship programs. If it weren't for those, OU would be third tier in lists like these. Exactly. OU may be a worse school overall, but their big programs are so high-ranking that they are able to raise the schools into the top tier, which certainly is not the case with Miami. I can't name a single top 5 major program there.
August 21, 200618 yr I cant' believe I'm the only one not down on Ohio universities here. I like Case ;)
August 21, 200618 yr WELL, I studied for a semester at Bostun University, and while I loved the city, the actual university was nothing to brag about. Their facalities were not as good as Kent State, where I went to school. I'm public school from birth. Represent!
August 21, 200618 yr WELL, I studied for a semester at Bostun University, and while I loved the city, the actual university was nothing to brag about. Their facalities were not as good as Kent State, where I went to school. I'm public school from birth. Represent! Just because you're 'public school from birth' doesn't make them god's gift to education.
August 21, 200618 yr I never said they were, but they are nowhere near as bad as you all are describing them.
August 22, 200618 yr Again, our state universities compare well with any other state's universities. Other than California and New York, which state has better large (>10,000 students) public universities than Ohio? I think it would be impossible to definetively pick another state.
August 22, 200618 yr I can't believe you people! Where's the love for my beloved Terra State? (Where you can smell the fertilizer and look out the window and see it, too :) ) LOL
August 22, 200618 yr I like Case Although I think I'd shoot myself if I went there, Case Western is a damn respectable school. i shot myself twice.
August 22, 200618 yr to think after all these years (not sure how old you are) it still drives people towards insanity (or in my case, alcoholism)
August 22, 200618 yr I never said they were, but they are nowhere near as bad as you all are describing them. um, where do you see me painting them in such a horrible light? They only thing that I said was the stereotype exists that the large publics can have a lax academic environment. In the same paragraph, I noted that they also have some very very strong graduate programs. This isn't about the public school inferiority complex, is it? ;)
August 22, 200618 yr Again, our state universities compare well with any other state's universities. Other than California and New York, which state has better large (>10,000 students) public universities than Ohio? I think it would be impossible to definetively pick another state. i also agree that we've got some very decent public school programs in this state. Out of state, many people think that Miami is a private school. Also, OSU is very well-respected. We're a little too hard on ourselves in Ohio. We're not the best, but I think our state public university systerm definitely above average for the US. That said, I do think that we overbuilt. Call me biased, but Kent St. and Cleveland St. should be one mega-university in downtown Cleveland.
August 22, 200618 yr That said, I do think that we overbuilt. Call me biased, but Kent St. and Cleveland St. should be one mega-university in downtown Cleveland. As long as we're getting unrealistic, do that, raise tuition a few thousand, make residency manditory for 2 years, lower acceptance rates, change it to University of Cleveland and you've got yourself the perfect school ;)
August 22, 200618 yr WELL, I studied for a semester at Bostun University, and while I loved the city, the actual university was nothing to brag about. Their facalities were not as good as Kent State, where I went to school. I'm public school from birth. Represent! Just because you're 'public school from birth' doesn't make them god's gift to education. That's because we have catholic schools for those who want god's gift to education.
August 22, 200618 yr Again, our state universities compare well with any other state's universities. Other than California and New York, which state has better large (>10,000 students) public universities than Ohio? I think it would be impossible to definetively pick another state. i also agree that we've got some very decent public school programs in this state. Out of state, many people think that Miami is a private school. Also, OSU is very well-respected. We're a little too hard on ourselves in Ohio. We're not the best, but I think our state public university systerm definitely above average for the US. That said, I do think that we overbuilt. Call me biased, but Kent St. and Cleveland St. should be one mega-university in downtown Cleveland. Just understand that Cleveland St. & Kent St. have separate histories. James Rhodes got Cleveland St (& Wright St) spun off from the OSU collection back in the 60s (Read any OSU department history from their centennial collection, circa 1970). Kent St. started on its own long before that.
August 22, 200618 yr My issue with Ohio schools is that our state duplicates many of its programs (why do so many schools have the same majors?), and as a result, every university suffers. Each public school can claim a handful of flagship programs (which in the case of OU, REALLY stand high above the rest of the university), but then the rest of the programs are lackluster at best. Gee, I don't know. Why shouldn't every university have English, Math, science, and art programs. You honestly believe that every teacher/professor from every school uses the same books, notes, ideas, and methods when they teach?
August 22, 200618 yr I never said they were, but they are nowhere near as bad as you all are describing them. um, where do you see me painting them in such a horrible light? They only thing that I said was the stereotype exists that the large publics can have a lax academic environment. In the same paragraph, I noted that they also have some very very strong graduate programs. This isn't about the public school inferiority complex, is it? ;) the so-called public school inferiority complex stereotype is funny, i have gone to many schools public and private, undergrad and grad, including ivy league. outside of specific classes --- the best overall instruction i got? lorain community college. ps -- here's some related college list news hot off the press: Aug 21, 6:51 PM EDT U of Texas-Austin Tops Party School List By LIZ AUSTIN PETERSON Associated Press Writer AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- The Texas Longhorns earned another national title Monday, not for football but as the country's best party school. The University of Texas at Austin beat Penn State University, West Virginia University and last year's winner, the University of Wisconsin-Madison, in the Princeton Review survey of 115,000 students at campuses around the country. It topped the overall list - its first time atop the Princeton Review chart - by ranking second in the use of hard liquor, third in beer drinking and 13th in marijuana smoking. ***ou was #6 overall party school. oberlin was #5 for weed. those were the only ones i saw listed for ohio. more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PARTY_SCHOOLS?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-08-21-18-51-02
August 22, 200618 yr ***ou was #6 overall party school. Ugh, they've been cracking down lately. They're actually thinking about switching to semesters so we can have a 4-day fall break during Halloween to eliminate much of the partying.
August 22, 200618 yr WELL, I studied for a semester at Bostun University, and while I loved the city, the actual university was nothing to brag about. Their facalities were not as good as Kent State, where I went to school. I'm public school from birth. Represent! Just because you're 'public school from birth' doesn't make them god's gift to education. That's because we have catholic schools for those who want god's gift to education. That said, I do think that we overbuilt. Call me biased, but Kent St. and Cleveland St. should be one mega-university in downtown Cleveland. As long as we're getting unrealistic, do that, raise tuition a few thousand, make residency manditory for 2 years, lower acceptance rates, change it to University of Cleveland and you've got yourself the perfect school ;) Good idea.
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