6 hours ago, wpcc88 said:

The front along Broad looks to be strip mall-esque just fronted to the street. 

 

I'm assuming you mean Mound? 

 

I understand we all want to see good urban development as much as possible, but I really don't know how much we can demand with this location. It's essentially bound by two cemeteries, an industrial area, and a highway. It's an extremely difficult piece of land to work with. 

15 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I'm assuming you mean Mound? 

 

I understand we all want to see good urban development as much as possible, but I really don't know how much we can demand with this location. It's essentially bound by two cemeteries, an industrial area, and a highway. It's an extremely difficult piece of land to work with. 

I agree. I know everyone has high hopes because of its proximity of downtown...but its immediate proximity doesn't have much potential (aside from the rundown shopping center to the west which can also be developed). A tourist attraction like a racetrack or stadium or museum would be a nice & better excuse to get people over there, but as a mixed-use development, it's going to take a lot more continued redevelopment to see it as an attractive in my opinion. It's one reason why I'm not excited about projects like The Reach on Goodale. Even if it was twice or 3x as tall, it's immediate surrounding area is just a lot of highway ramps which if you're going for urban living,  why wouldn't you pick somewhere where you can more comfortably walk to dining and shopping?

I know folks that live in those developments and love it. Even with them being more of an Island. And as far as I know, they haven't had much trouble leasing them. I also had reservations about them but they have turned out to be worthwhile developments that also help spur more connectivity. I do think The Reach had some missed potential even with the final product turning out better than expected. The reality is, the areas where walking to shopping and dining 'comfortably' is far more limited in this town to begin with. So having to drive or bike from Goodale Island is still better for many than being further out, especially if demand for a place closer to the Short North, etc is so cut throat to begin with. 

 

For some reference, the Cooper Stadium site is a little over 47 acres. There's isn't really anything that makes it a difficult location. Especially when you have so much land at your disposal. Whether it is surrounded by cemeteries, other businesses or not. It is big enough to be it's own neighborhood as is. 

 

Some other comparatively related developments.

  - The Reach/600 Goodale. 22 combined Acres (17.5/4.5) Offices. 424 units. Park.  Restaurant. 

  - Jeffrey Park. 41 Acres. Offices. 1500 units. Park. Restaurant. 

  - Arena West ('Penn West' everything west of the tracks). 24 Acres. Throw in the Triangle and it's 33 Acres. 

  - Grandview Crossing. 55 acres (with 40 acres of parking lots /s... ish). Office. Park. Over 1300 units. 

 

I don't disagree and attraction would have been decent here, but then you have the same issue as the old Crew Stadium and Casino. Islands surrounded by parking and random business. Attractions that had not yielded other appreciable development. Good development has a better chance of leading to more good development. 

 

I don't know that a location this close to the urban core should be given a pass or dismissed for what it is. It is still a vast undeveloped area. You're not going to find much more space like this and it needs to be maximized with good urban design in mind for the long term. Perhaps even the idea of Columbus 2050 in mind. A half baked suburban model here shouldn't be ok.  How many of the better and more dense neigbhorhoods start out as pretty average industrial zones thay could easily be overlooked? 

 

And if you can use it to precipitate more similar development in the Mound/Central interchange, you now have both a gateway and focal area for Willow Creek, South Hilltop, etc. Arterial improvements to Glenwood, Central, Souder Ave and Mound would provide connectivity with the adjoining Neighborhoods and some of our best city assets. 

 

Being in Franklin Township, there probably won't be any push for affordability though. But I'm sure Franklin Township might not mind a nice tax revenue bump if this section can become something better. 

 

I think it's a bit paradoxical to be ok with mediocre at best development more or less because it's in a bad area of town rather than want to see something better to push for greater growth and access to housing in the core. And for all intents and purposes, this should be prioritized as core development the same way anything in Franklinton or Hilltop would be. The excuse of using the highway as a barrier to demand better is just as much an issue as using the highways to split up the neighbhoods to begin with. 

 

Lastly. I think the Paved Public space is leaning toward an amphitheater and trying to save the stands? Tear down the stands. You can pay homage by massing buildings in the footprints of the old stands and a public park in the shape of a field with Stadium seats as benches or something but other than the 'castle' there isn't really anything worth saving if you can pay homage. Removing that part of the plan alone unlocks alot of additional potential. 

 

I think many other developers would be thinking bigger with such a blank slate but Arshot is looking to play safe after hedging bets on 2 major projects that did not come to fruition. Perhaps it's a mission to save face. But they would save more of their reputation for me if they either went more ambitious or partnered with someone who can help them go bolder. 

 

Edit: Heck. Arshot could sell the River South properties for some hefty coin and turn this pocket into its own version of Jeffrey Park, Grandview Yard, etc. I'm sure there would be a few of those land owners who might think about selling for the right price if Arshot decided to make a bigger move here. 

 

For those who didn't see the site plan. 

 

 

Edited March 23, 20223 yr by DTCL11

Sorry all, I meant Mound… must’ve had Franklinton on the mind!

31 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

I know folks that live in those developments and love it. Even with them being more of an Island. And as far as I know, they haven't had much trouble leasing them. I also had reservations about them but they have turned out to be worthwhile developments that also help spur more connectivity. I do think The Reach had some missed potential even with the final product turning out better than expected. The reality is, the areas where walking to shopping and dining 'comfortably' is far more limited in this town to begin with. So having to drive or bike from Goodale Island is still better for many than being further out, especially if demand for a place closer to the Short North, etc is so cut throat to begin with. 

 

For some reference, the Cooper Stadium site is a little over 47 acres. Some other comparatively related developments.

  - The Reach/600 Goodale. 22 combined Acres (17.5/4.5) Offices. 424 units. Park.  Restaurant. 

  - Jeffrey Park. 41 Acres. Offices. 1500 units. Park. Restaurant. 

  - Arena West ('Penn West' everything west of the tracks). 24 Acres. Throw in the Triangle and it's 33 Acres. 

 

I don't disagree and attraction would have been decent here, but then you have the same issue as the old Crew Stadium and Casino. Islands surrounded by parking and random business. Attractions that had not yielded other appreciable development. Good development has a better chance of leading to more good development. 

 

I don't know that a location this close to the urban core should be given a pass or dismissed for what it is. It is still a vast undeveloped area. You're not going to find much more space like this and it needs to be maximized with good urban design in mind for the long term. Perhaps even the idea of Columbus 2050 in mind. A half baked suburban model here shouldn't be ok.  How many of the better and more dense neigbhorhoods start out as pretty average industrial zones thay could easily be overlooked? 

 

And if you can use it to precipitate more similar development in the Mound/Central interchange, you now have both a gateway and focal area for Willow Creek, South Hilltop, etc. Arterial improvements to Glenwood, Central, Souder Ave and Mound would provide connectivity with the adjoining Neighborhoods and some of our best city assets. 

 

Being in Franklin Township, there probably won't be any push for affordability though. But I'm sure Franklin Township might not mind a nice tax revenue bump if this section can become something better. 

 

I think it's a bit paradoxical to be ok with mediocre at best development more or less because it's in a bad area of town rather than want to see something better to push for greater growth and access to housing in the core. And for all intents and purposes, this should be prioritized as core development the same way anything in Franklinton or Hilltop would be. The excuse of using the highway as a barrier to demand better is just as much an issue as using the highways to split up the neighbhoods to begin with. 

 

Lastly. I think the Paved Public space is leaning toward an amphitheater and trying to save the stands? Tear down the stands. You can pay homage by massing buildings in the footprints of the old stands and a public park in the shape of a field with Stadium seats as benches or something but other than the 'castle' there isn't really anything worth saving if you can pay homage. Removing that part of the plan alone unlocks alot of additional potential. 

 

I think many other developers would be thinking bigger with such a blank slate but Arshot is looking to play safe after hedging bets on 2 major projects that did not come to fruition. Perhaps it's a mission to save face. But they would save more of their reputation for me if they either went more ambitious or partnered with someone who can help them go bolder. 

 

Edit: Heck. Arshot could sell the River South properties for some hefty coin and turn this pocket into its own version of Jeffrey Park, Grandview Yard, etc. I'm sure there would be a few of those land owners who might think about selling for the right price if Arshot decided to make a bigger move here. 

 

For those who didn't see the site plan. 

 

Couldn't agree more with what you're saying.  Yes, the site is in a weird location, but there is connectivity in terms of being close to Downtown and what will be a vastly improved Franklinton over the next decade or so.  I used to work very near this location in the strip center just to the west at Central Point and there's a ton of potential to remake that area.  The massive car lots just to the west of the Cooper site could one day be redeveloped into a pretty dense mixed-use project, for example.  The Arshot proposal is "better than what's there", but that's an extremely low bar and we shouldn't be going with only something to fill in the land, but something that can serve to move the entire neighborhood forward into the future.  There's also the question whether the company can realistically get anything built when it's struggled to do so for years far beyond this one site.

 

FWIW, As just another bit of potential, the site offers some pretty prime skyline views from the ground let alone even a few stories up. 

3 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

I know folks that live in those developments and love it. Even with them being more of an Island. And as far as I know, they haven't had much trouble leasing them. I also had reservations about them but they have turned out to be worthwhile developments that also help spur more connectivity. I do think The Reach had some missed potential even with the final product turning out better than expected. The reality is, the areas where walking to shopping and dining 'comfortably' is far more limited in this town to begin with. So having to drive or bike from Goodale Island is still better for many than being further out, especially if demand for a place closer to the Short North, etc is so cut throat to begin with. 

 

For some reference, the Cooper Stadium site is a little over 47 acres. There's isn't really anything that makes it a difficult location. Especially when you have so much land at your disposal. Whether it is surrounded by cemeteries, other businesses or not. It is big enough to be it's own neighborhood as is. 

 

Some other comparatively related developments.

  - The Reach/600 Goodale. 22 combined Acres (17.5/4.5) Offices. 424 units. Park.  Restaurant. 

  - Jeffrey Park. 41 Acres. Offices. 1500 units. Park. Restaurant. 

  - Arena West ('Penn West' everything west of the tracks). 24 Acres. Throw in the Triangle and it's 33 Acres. 

  - Grandview Crossing. 55 acres (with 40 acres of parking lots /s... ish). Office. Park. Over 1300 units. 

 

I don't disagree and attraction would have been decent here, but then you have the same issue as the old Crew Stadium and Casino. Islands surrounded by parking and random business. Attractions that had not yielded other appreciable development. Good development has a better chance of leading to more good development. 

 

I don't know that a location this close to the urban core should be given a pass or dismissed for what it is. It is still a vast undeveloped area. You're not going to find much more space like this and it needs to be maximized with good urban design in mind for the long term. Perhaps even the idea of Columbus 2050 in mind. A half baked suburban model here shouldn't be ok.  How many of the better and more dense neigbhorhoods start out as pretty average industrial zones thay could easily be overlooked? 

 

And if you can use it to precipitate more similar development in the Mound/Central interchange, you now have both a gateway and focal area for Willow Creek, South Hilltop, etc. Arterial improvements to Glenwood, Central, Souder Ave and Mound would provide connectivity with the adjoining Neighborhoods and some of our best city assets. 

 

Being in Franklin Township, there probably won't be any push for affordability though. But I'm sure Franklin Township might not mind a nice tax revenue bump if this section can become something better. 

 

I think it's a bit paradoxical to be ok with mediocre at best development more or less because it's in a bad area of town rather than want to see something better to push for greater growth and access to housing in the core. And for all intents and purposes, this should be prioritized as core development the same way anything in Franklinton or Hilltop would be. The excuse of using the highway as a barrier to demand better is just as much an issue as using the highways to split up the neighbhoods to begin with. 

 

Lastly. I think the Paved Public space is leaning toward an amphitheater and trying to save the stands? Tear down the stands. You can pay homage by massing buildings in the footprints of the old stands and a public park in the shape of a field with Stadium seats as benches or something but other than the 'castle' there isn't really anything worth saving if you can pay homage. Removing that part of the plan alone unlocks alot of additional potential. 

 

I think many other developers would be thinking bigger with such a blank slate but Arshot is looking to play safe after hedging bets on 2 major projects that did not come to fruition. Perhaps it's a mission to save face. But they would save more of their reputation for me if they either went more ambitious or partnered with someone who can help them go bolder. 

 

Edit: Heck. Arshot could sell the River South properties for some hefty coin and turn this pocket into its own version of Jeffrey Park, Grandview Yard, etc. I'm sure there would be a few of those land owners who might think about selling for the right price if Arshot decided to make a bigger move here. 

 

For those who didn't see the site plan. 

 

 

 

So no retention ponds then? I guess they did sort out the retention pond thing after all. Does that mean a huge new storm sewer?

They should maximize the site and get rid of the stadium part-it is just dead to me as an idea at this time. Much of it is torn down, it is pretty much forgotten. It does not need to be memorialized like it was the twin towers or something. Time to move on. Make a central park area(maybe with a pond?)and surround it with dense mixed use development.  Given the freeway access it can even function like an island(like the Goodale island)until the surrounding area eventually transitions.

 

And the views would be great. The cemeteries aren't really a problem IMO-just quiet greenspace really serving as a sort of buffer. And throw in some affordable housing please. We have a housing shortage, we are going to continue to grow with Intel(and assorted other companies associated with it)and we. need. housing and will continue to need it.

13 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

FWIW, As just another bit of potential, the site offers some pretty prime skyline views from the ground let alone even a few stories up. 

I've always thought this as well.  Every time I take the ramp from Sullivant onto the highway around that curve, there is a dramatic view of the skyline right over Franklinton.  You'd have to build a few medium height apartment buildings, but they really would have pretty awesome views.  That stretch of highway though I'm still furious and think it's a total backward step to permanently remove the 315N access.  Such a loss of connectivity that I feel with time will be looked at as a mistake.

6 hours ago, Toddguy said:

They should maximize the site and get rid of the stadium part-it is just dead to me as an idea at this time. Much of it is torn down, it is pretty much forgotten. It does not need to be memorialized like it was the twin towers or something. Time to move on.

The only good thing with it is that it should be relatively cheap, thus easier to build on top of down the road. 
 

I agree with what’s already been said, though. This is a huge chunk of land with great visibility from 70 (where currently a decaying stadium welcomes people to the city…..) and easy  access to highways and amenities. I like the idea of doing something similar to Jeffrey Park, just phasing the development out and adjust as needed as they go. 

Hey, Look, I can play rudimentary Sim City! Lol.

 

But I thought it's a fun concept in my boredom. Build the density and mixed use to the north and west. The eastern and southern can be less dense. And this isn't calling for anything massive. Again, along the lines of a Jeffrey Park meets The Reach. That SE portion would certainly be a quieter place for more townhome style development. Not sure anything along the lines of a Founders Way and Pullman Way would be successful. Orange being something closer to like an amenities building, pavilion, restaurant or something similar. Dark blue being areas of denser mixed used. With the exception of the massing mimicking the old stands, the other boxes are just areas of higher density. Shape doesn't matter as much there. 

 

If they could pull some sizeable commercial office tenants, the grandstand building would offer some cool conference room and event space potential. 

 

But this is the general idea I have in mind. Certainly parking would be worked in to those buildings and spaces as well. And roads/drive would be altered etc. The middle entrance by the castle could probably be ditched for a side curb cut to the west allowing further extension of the buildings facing Mound etc. 

 

(Hear me oh developers. Use your money to see my ideas to fruition or hire me for think tanks) 😜

 

Side note, did anyone else spot they plan on lining most of the property with a shipping container wall? 

Edited March 24, 20223 yr by DTCL11

24 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

Hear me oh developers. Use your money to see my ideas to fruition or hire me for think tanks

 

And therein lies the problem. Money. Anyone can build anything anywhere in the city if they have endless funds and no need for a specific ROI. But that's simply not the case, which is why I said we need to temper our expectations. Developing this lot into anything other than industrial space is going to be a massive financial risk because of the location.

2 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

Hey, Look, I can play rudimentary Sim City! Lol.

 

But I thought it's a fun concept in my boredom. Build the density and mixed use to the north and west. The eastern and southern can be less dense. And this isn't calling for anything massive. Again, along the lines of a Jeffrey Park meets The Reach. That SE portion would certainly be a quieter place for more townhome style development. Not sure anything along the lines of a Founders Way and Pullman Way would be successful. Orange being something closer to like an amenities building, pavilion, restaurant or something similar. Dark blue being areas of denser mixed used. With the exception of the massing mimicking the old stands, the other boxes are just areas of higher density. Shape doesn't matter as much there. 

 

If they could pull some sizeable commercial office tenants, the grandstand building would offer some cool conference room and event space potential. 

 

But this is the general idea I have in mind. Certainly parking would be worked in to those buildings and spaces as well. And roads/drive would be altered etc. The middle entrance by the castle could probably be ditched for a side curb cut to the west allowing further extension of the buildings facing Mound etc. 

 

(Hear me oh developers. Use your money to see my ideas to fruition or hire me for think tanks) 😜

 

Side note, did anyone else spot they plan on lining most of the property with a shipping container wall? 

That eastern strip may be better for some kind of non-residential purpose as it is getting close to some "negative externalities" like the homeless shelter, mental heath facility, lower income apartments with crime problems, etc. I am not sure why they feel they need shipping containers along the cemetery, but along that eastern strip I get it.

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

 

And therein lies the problem. Money. Anyone can build anything anywhere in the city if they have endless funds and no need for a specific ROI. But that's simply not the case, which is why I said we need to temper our expectations. Developing this lot into anything other than industrial space is going to be a massive financial risk because of the location.

I think that may be a bit of an overstatement as this company has just shown plans for residential to be included and there is more than 'industrial' planned here.

 

We need to temper out expectations not only because of the location, but also because of the developer, but I don't think that means just expecting "industrial'.

 

Of course we cannot forget who is proposing this development-you never know with them. i think it is possible to have an "island' of development here since it is close in to downtown and right exactly at a freeway entrance and exit. Maybe at some time it may be able to open up more to the west if changes happen with the community, but again that is a what if.

 

Our expectations are tempered. I don't think anyone here is *expecting* anything better. It's Arsh*t. The bar is below ground at this point. 

 

That doesn't mean that we as a city and region shouldn't take them to task in making it better for the long term.  Every massive land development is a risk. Italian Village, Grandview Yard, and Milo-Grogan, Grandview Crossing, and even the Arena District were/are much the same. And those we still lament about missed opportunities. We can look at many of them now and say it wasn't a bad investment but imagine being some of the first people to move into Arena Crossing, or the few buildings that basically stood alone in Jeffrey Park for a decade. 'You wanna live there?!. The railroads. The noise. The warehouses. The crime. You can't walk through IV to the Short North. It's too dangerous, etc' 

 

I guess it comes down to whether some are willing to write off the location. I think it has too much potential as an extention of South Hiltop and Franklinton to write off as better than nothing and and give a developer a pass because they've had a bad track record of late. The Pike has potential to be a great transit connection between dense populations and warehouses to the SW. Perhaps not a BRT but a potentially important Corridor. 

 

So yeah, Arsh*t will do whatever they want with their money (which was the point of the sarcasm). And many will be glad with whatever they throw up. But I'll still fantasize and push for better. I'll still give benefit of the doubt to pockets of the city that shouldn't be written off. I'll still argue that they have assets and partnerships they could leverage for a better outcome. That's kind of the point of the existence of these forums to begin with. 

Edited March 24, 20223 yr by DTCL11

3 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

I think that may be a bit of an overstatement as this company has just shown plans for residential to be included and there is more than 'industrial' planned here.

 

Yes, they are taking on a risky project. They deserve some respect for trying to make something out of nothing.

4 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Yes, they are taking on a risky project. They deserve some respect for trying to make something out of nothing.

Well I really would respect them, but his is Arshot lol. Respect? I just can't do it. If they prove me wrong with a good development here, then they will have earned it back. Till then, when a good development is open and completed, I just can't.

19 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Yes, they are taking on a risky project. They deserve some respect for trying to make something out of nothing.

 

But it's their fault nothing's there now.  I'd be surprised if 5 years down the road, something's been built, to be honest.

29 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

That eastern strip may be better for some kind of non-residential purpose as it is getting close to some "negative externalities" like the homeless shelter, mental heath facility, lower income apartments with crime problems, etc. I am not sure why they feel they need shipping containers along the cemetery, but along that eastern strip I get it

 

Yeah. I get it too.

 

At the same time, I still think about places like Italian Village, Early Short North renewal, Franklinton etc. Those same externalities exist and existed. So it worries me less. (We could even go as far to discuss the merits of existing shelter and service locations and the implications, etc) 

 

I cant for the life of me find it, but wasn't there something in the news relatively recently about the county services there at Mound and Harmon? Was it that they moved there, or they are looking to sell or build? I can't remember. 

 

Ultimately, I think the thing that will hold back this area is it being alot of Township Land. And it is ripe for a community plan. Which isn't much more than the community playing its own version of Sim City like we do, but with more political influence. Franklinton might not be on its trajectory if the community hadn't started expressing desires and drawn up concepts for the future etc. The potential and connectivity is absolutely there. Just needs a little bit of vision, salesmanship, political, and capital power. Thats how it all works anyway. The city has it. Just gotta find the right entity to take up the cause. 

 

And that again is where I can see Arshot really taking a chance. Sell your River South Plots. Take this up as your cause. Wood did the same for the Short North. Kaufmann is leading the charge in Franklinton. Edwards on Gay St.  Etc. And understand that any process is a decade out or more. But if Arshot is just looking for a quick buck, then here we are. 

 

Edited March 24, 20223 yr by DTCL11

50 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

But it's their fault nothing's there now.  I'd be surprised if 5 years down the road, something's been built, to be honest.

 

At least the rest of their companies are in better shape than 3-4 years ago. That might help.

17 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

The potential and connectivity is absolutely there. Just needs a little bit of vision, salesmanship, political, and capital power. Thats how it all works anyway. The city has it. Just gotta find the right entity to take up the cause. 

I suppose it wouldn't be too out-of-bounds to imagine a bike path that linked up with Audubon Park and the Scioto Greenway. I also wondered what it would be like if Mound literally continued over to the downtown side by the Miranova but that sounds like a daydream.

From what I've observed and like in your earlier post, the "Island" apartments are leasing well, and although I've never known anyone personally who lived in them, it's good that they're giving you a good report. It also depends on how far you're coming from or what you value that colors your opinion of them. I desire to move into heart of the city or one of the surrounding core neighborhoods, although I'm just a 10 minute drive down from 670. But I would be almost doubling my rent for the same amount of space. So to make the leap but to find yourself in an island is a harder sell to someone like me,  I really want to see the type of development that impacts as much of the community as possible and not just a select few residents who live there or a select few who are adventurous enough to drive over. But now I feel like that’s shortsighted and I'm not accounting for the other tax, infrastructural and future planning benefits that come with it. So I’ll try to stay optimistic.

Cooper Stadium Redevelopment Plan Revived

 

A multi-phase redevelopment of the former Cooper Stadium site appears to be moving forward after getting a vote of approval from the Southwest Area Commission.

 

The latest plan calls for two mixed-use buildings on the west side of the site, several apartment buildings on the site’s southern boundary, two retail buildings along Mound Street, and what looks like a large warehouse that would be separated from the rest of the site and accessed from Mt. Calvary Avenue.

 

The proposal would preserve the two brick buildings still standing on the site, as well as what remains of the stadium itself; the grandstand that once ran down the third base line.

 

A site plan submitted to the city shows that the land where the rest of the stadium once stood would be turned into green space, while the former field area would be converted into “paved event space.” Stacked shipping containers would line the south and east edges of the site.

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/cooper-stadium-redevelopment-plan-revived-bw1/

 

Here's what the future could hold for Cooper Stadium

 

Cooper Stadium and the land around it could soon be home to a new mixed-use development, according to city documents.

 

The former stadium, at 1115 W. Mound St., is partially torn down now. Plans submitted to the city by SPARC Holding LLC, an affiliate of Arshot Investment Corp., show a few retail buildings, a few mixed-use buildings and a residential building that could be up to six stories tall.

 

There would be a phased approach to the development, with the first phase of residential bringing at least 100 units. The total number of residential units could be up to 550, according to plans. The residential part of the development could have a pool, fitness facility and gathering space.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/04/07/cooper-stadium.html

 

Tbh, I’m hella surprised that we’re hearing anything else about this project, considering who’s behind it. I’m still not holding my breath for it to actually happen, and I think the proposal still needs some work if it does, but it would definitely be a big boost to that section of Franklinton. 
 

Cooper Stadium Proposal Lands Approval
 

 

“The Columbus Development Commission voted last night to approve the latest plan to redevelop the former Cooper Stadium site. 

 

Attorney Jeff Brown gave a brief presentation on the proposal before the board voted unanimously to approve a rezoning for the 47-acre site, which is located at at 1215 W. Mound St. The project will head next to City Council. 
 

The plan, which was approved by the Southwest Area Commission earlier this year, calls for two mixed-use buildings on the west side of the site, apartments along the site’s southern boundary, two retail buildings along Mound Street, and a large warehouse that would be separated from the rest of the site and accessed from Mt. Calvary Avenue.

 

The two brick buildings still standing on the site would be preserved and renovated, as would the grandstand that once ran down the stadium’s third base line.”

 

https://columbusunderground.com/cooper-stadium-proposal-lands-approval-bw1/

Hopefully something comes of this. It's such a shame the property has been allowed to sit and degrade for so much time. Too bad Arshot didn't/couldn't sell the proposed warehouse space to the cemetery to expand it out. Anyone know what the purpose of the shipping containers might be other than a weird form of fencing to block the view to/from the cemetery? Not sure why they're so hard-pressed to not see into Mt. Calvary or Greenlawn. They're basically parks. 

5 minutes ago, CMHOhio said:

Hopefully something comes of this. It's such a shame the property has been allowed to sit and degrade for so much time. Too bad Arshot didn't/couldn't sell the proposed warehouse space to the cemetery to expand it out. Anyone know what the purpose of the shipping containers might be other than a weird form of fencing to block the view to/from the cemetery? Not sure why they're so hard-pressed to not see into Mt. Calvary or Greenlawn. They're basically parks. 

If they had any good ideas, they would do something like Stackt in Toronto. 
 

https://stacktmarket.com/

Are any of the buildings fronted along the streets or are they set back with parking?  It's kind of hard to tell from that.  If it's the latter, yeah, that's not great.

26 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

Are any of the buildings fronted along the streets or are they set back with parking?  It's kind of hard to tell from that.  If it's the latter, yeah, that's not great.

It looks like a little of both. The north side is facing the street and then looks like there is some parking along the street and another building. 
 

This project leaves a lot to be desired. It will be good to have stuff in the area, and will hopefully help revitalize that area, but it could be a lot more than what they are presenting. Has way to much space dedicated to parking lots. They should just throw in a centralized parking garage and build something worthwhile. 
 

They need to go super dense and taller. There are no homes in the area, so couldn’t see a lot of opposition. It is pretty much connected to the highway for easy access. It is also a quick trip to the peninsula and Franklinton redevelopment. Cannot wait for more outside investors that have a bit more big design ideas. 

Edited September 9, 20222 yr by VintageLife

58 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

If they had any good ideas, they would do something like Stackt in Toronto. 
 

https://stacktmarket.com/

I’ve been to my fair share of shipping container bars and venues for some reason (Detroit shipping co, container bar in Austin, sparkman wharf in Tampa) and never had a bad time. It’s also nice because smaller businesses don’t have the overhead and buildout costs. I’m all for something like this. 

Just now, smjjms said:

I’ve been to my fair share of shipping container bars and venues for some reason (Detroit shipping co, container bar in Austin, sparkman wharf in Tampa) and never had a bad time. It’s also nice because smaller businesses don’t have the overhead and buildout costs. I’m all for something like this. 

Exactly, it gives small businesses a chance to create something that can turn into a larger business, without having the huge overhead of a 2000+ sqft space that has a 5-10 year lease term. 

The amount of risk people take with restaurants in America is insane to me.

Why preserve the grandstand for no purpose. It seems like it could quickly become an eyesore.

2 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Why preserve the grandstand for no purpose. It seems like it could quickly become an eyesore.

I mean, if they are preserving it, it would be repaired and would look nice. I would assume they have plans to use the field area as a venue 

2 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

The amount of risk people take with restaurants in America is insane to me.

Say it again for those in the back. The biggest part that gets me is that most people think it’s so easy. They see the fruits of your labor but not the day to day effort it takes to make it work. That’s why I got into such a heated debate about it on a Clintonville post I believe.

4 hours ago, smjjms said:

I’ve been to my fair share of shipping container bars and venues for some reason (Detroit shipping co, container bar in Austin, sparkman wharf in Tampa) and never had a bad time. It’s also nice because smaller businesses don’t have the overhead and buildout costs. I’m all for something like this. 

Been to Container Bar, great place!

 

Honorable mention for Starland Yard in Savannah, was there a few months ago and it’s a cool container based place as well.

Unfortunately it's basically impossible to have shipping containers for food and bar service in Ohio. Mikey's tried in the Short North and invested in a beautiful set up and got nabbed by state laws and had to go back to a standard food trailer. So until the state catches up, I wouldn't count on anything like that here, or elsewhere around town until state and local laws are updated. 

23 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

Unfortunately it's basically impossible to have shipping containers for food and bar service in Ohio. Mikey's tried in the Short North and invested in a beautiful set up and got nabbed by state laws and had to go back to a standard food trailer. So until the state catches up, I wouldn't count on anything like that here, or elsewhere around town until state and local laws are updated. 

That’s pretty sad, even Indiana has them, we can’t fall behind them, come on! 

On 9/9/2022 at 11:20 AM, VintageLife said:

If they had any good ideas, they would do something like Stackt in Toronto. 
 

https://stacktmarket.com/

Apparently, that could be a possibility sometime in the future…and it looks like commercial space is planned underneath the grandstand. 
 

 

11 minutes ago, amped91 said:

Apparently, that could be a possibility sometime in the future…and it looks like commercial space is planned underneath the grandstand. 
 

 

That’s great, I don’t have a ton of faith in Arsot to get it done, but I hope they can. 

 

 

New mixed-use development with apartments, retail and more proposed for old Cooper Stadium

 

"Cooper Stadium, the long-shuttered, landmark Columbus baseball stadium built in 1932, would become a mixed-use development with apartments, retail space, a potential amphitheater using part of the old grandstand, and other possible uses under a proposed plan unveiled Monday evening at the Columbus City Council meeting.

 

The council read into the record on first reading two ordinances that would rezone the property and provide building variances to relax parking and other city requirements at the 47.2-acre site that Franklin County sold in 2012 to the SPARC Holding LLC development firm, which had said it intended to turn the site into an auto-research facility and race track.

 

"This ordinance gets rid of that and would allow for true mixed-use," said Nya Hairston, a spokesperson for City Council. 

 

The plan, which is now poised to be approved by City Council on a second reading next week, is spelled out in documents attached to the legislation: new retail buildings, apartments and a limited use of the remaining grandstands of the baseball stadium for "spectator events," such as those that "may be conducted in any outdoor amphitheater" with a special permit.

 

The ordinance spelling out variances indicates that up to 550 apartments may ultimately be constructed, with a building of six stories in height, and may include such thing as gathering spaces, a swimming pool, fitness center, business office and dog park."

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/10/02/columbus-city-council-gives-first-read-to-proposed-new-mixed-use-development-at-old-cooper-stadium/71006959007/

 

 

Wow, over a year later 😲

20 minutes ago, Luvcbus said:

 

 

New mixed-use development with apartments, retail and more proposed for old Cooper Stadium

 

"Cooper Stadium, the long-shuttered, landmark Columbus baseball stadium built in 1932, would become a mixed-use development with apartments, retail space, a potential amphitheater using part of the old grandstand, and other possible uses under a proposed plan unveiled Monday evening at the Columbus City Council meeting.

 

The council read into the record on first reading two ordinances that would rezone the property and provide building variances to relax parking and other city requirements at the 47.2-acre site that Franklin County sold in 2012 to the SPARC Holding LLC development firm, which had said it intended to turn the site into an auto-research facility and race track.

 

"This ordinance gets rid of that and would allow for true mixed-use," said Nya Hairston, a spokesperson for City Council. 

 

The plan, which is now poised to be approved by City Council on a second reading next week, is spelled out in documents attached to the legislation: new retail buildings, apartments and a limited use of the remaining grandstands of the baseball stadium for "spectator events," such as those that "may be conducted in any outdoor amphitheater" with a special permit.

 

The ordinance spelling out variances indicates that up to 550 apartments may ultimately be constructed, with a building of six stories in height, and may include such thing as gathering spaces, a swimming pool, fitness center, business office and dog park."

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/10/02/columbus-city-council-gives-first-read-to-proposed-new-mixed-use-development-at-old-cooper-stadium/71006959007/

 

 

Eh, I know we need housing, but this entire development looks like a joke and I hope it follows the same plan as everything else arshot proposes. They probably have something in their tax break that says if they come every few years with a plan, they will get it extended. 
 

the city needs to force them to sell their land because they are a crap company and will never build anything of value. 

17 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Eh, I know we need housing, but this entire development looks like a joke and I hope it follows the same plan as everything else arshot proposes. They probably have something in their tax break that says if they come every few years with a plan, they will get it extended. 
 

the city needs to force them to sell their land because they are a crap company and will never build anything of value. 

 

They always play this game, just keep proposing things with a year or more between each new announcent, only for nothing to ultimately happen. As I said last year, I would not be surprised if nothing is built 5 (now 4) years from now. 

It's likely this is just another attempt to put something out there to try and get investors interested

 

Wake me up when they have shovels in the ground

What Columbus City Council rezoning Cooper Stadium site could mean for long-blighted property

 

Columbus City Council will vote next week on a redevelopment plan from a local developer for Cooper Stadium, potentially rezoning the site and opening up opportunities for the long-vacant Franklinton-area property.

 

Sparc Holding LLC, an affiliate of Arshot Investment Corp. has floated several different ideas for the former home of the Columbus Clippers over the years. The firm previously proposed a test track for driverless cars at the site, but it never came to fruition.

 

In 2019, the firm shared its proposal for a large mixed-use development at the 1115 W. Mound St. site.

 

Columbus City Council this week held a first reading of rezoning legislation for a proposal very similar to the 2019 version, one the developer first shared in 2022. The latest proposal includes retail buildings, a few mixed-use buildings and a residential building that could be up to six stories tall, as well as an amphitheater.

 

The council will vote on the rezoning Monday.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/10/04/cooper-stadium-rezoning-franklinton-arshot.html

 

So....after I posted the article above, the date counter says this thread is 18+ years old.  Nuts.

1 hour ago, ColDayMan said:

So....after I posted the article above, the date counter says this thread is 18+ years old.  Nuts.

I still don’t think this project will happen, at least not for another 18 years. 

2 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

What Columbus City Council rezoning Cooper Stadium site could mean for long-blighted property

 

Columbus City Council will vote next week on a redevelopment plan from a local developer for Cooper Stadium, potentially rezoning the site and opening up opportunities for the long-vacant Franklinton-area property.

 

Sparc Holding LLC, an affiliate of Arshot Investment Corp. has floated several different ideas for the former home of the Columbus Clippers over the years. The firm previously proposed a test track for driverless cars at the site, but it never came to fruition.

 

In 2019, the firm shared its proposal for a large mixed-use development at the 1115 W. Mound St. site.

 

Columbus City Council this week held a first reading of rezoning legislation for a proposal very similar to the 2019 version, one the developer first shared in 2022. The latest proposal includes retail buildings, a few mixed-use buildings and a residential building that could be up to six stories tall, as well as an amphitheater.

 

The council will vote on the rezoning Monday.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/10/04/cooper-stadium-rezoning-franklinton-arshot.html

 

 

Wait, they originally proposed the mixed-use project... in 2019? And we didn't even hear about it until 2022? Even with some leeway given because of the pandemic, approaching 5 years later with still no solid dates of construction is exactly why everyone is doubting them. 

Council Approves Cooper Stadium Redevelopment Plan

 

 

Columbus City Council voted last night to approve a rezoning for the Cooper Stadium site at 1215 W. Mound St., clearing a path for developer Arshot Investment Corporation to move forward with the long-stalled project.

Arshot, however, has not responded to repeated requests to comment on the development and has not revealed a timeline for when work might start on it. The applicant for the zoning is listed as SPARC Holding, LLC, an affiliate of Arshot.

Just now, VintageLife said:

Arshot, however, has not responded to repeated requests to comment on the development and has not revealed a timeline for when work might start on it. The applicant for the zoning is listed as SPARC Holding, LLC, an affiliate of Arshot.

Sounds like this won’t be happening either haha 

26 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

 

Arshot, however, has not responded to repeated requests to comment on the development and has not revealed a timeline for when work might start onit. The applicant for the zoning is listed as SPARC Holding, LLC, an affiliate of Arshot.

 

If you were the Arshot Comms director for the last 10 years, your job has been a freaking cake walk. Getting paid to ignore requests from media and governments on plans of your developments this whole time.