I still think the OTR Kroger is fantastic store.  It's the right size and they do an amazing job of updating their inventory to meet the neighborhood's needs.  I will never understand people who live in Over-the-Rhine and drive across the river to the Newport Kroger.

I will never understand people who live in Over-the-Rhine and drive across the river to the Newport Kroger.

 

It is a 5 minute drive, the selection blows the OTR Kroger away, and it is open 24 hours a day. What is not to understand?

I still think the OTR Kroger is fantastic store.  It's the right size and they do an amazing job of updating their inventory to meet the neighborhood's needs.  I will never understand people who live in Over-the-Rhine and drive across the river to the Newport Kroger.

 

I feel like you and I aren't actually shopping the same store, and I bet I am in there twice a week.  Every try to get any meat besides ground beef?  I asked for ground sirloin once, and they told me they'd tried to stock it for a week but it didn't sell.  Don't get me started on the vegetables there. 

 

As I said, I am there at least twice a week for basics.  But it is sorely lacking any variety, and while I feel like they are making an effort, it's a long way to go before it meets the needs of everyone in the neighborhood; as it is now, it certainly isn't meeting my needs, and I am two blocks away and ask them for certain things. 

I still think the OTR Kroger is fantastic store.  It's the right size and they do an amazing job of updating their inventory to meet the neighborhood's needs.  I will never understand people who live in Over-the-Rhine and drive across the river to the Newport Kroger.

 

Yep yep! I shop there all the time. Most of the people in there are poor and black; of course the veggie section is heavy on collard greens(Which I am most certainly not complaining about ;-)) and the alcohol light on premium beer. They're serving the people who actually live in OTR quite well and the newcomers aren't numerous enough yet to warrant their expensive cheeses.

 

I'll never understand people who live in Over-the-Rhine and drive (to Kroger or anywhere else).

You wonder why they aren't stocking your favourite things? It's because you aren't actually in the store! Indeed, if you have a car and are so ready to hop in it, you're barely even really living in the neighborhood. The city sure, but hardly the neighborhood. Why should Kroger consider the desires of such fickle people when there is a more captive audience?

^^^the best meat, vegetables, and cheese in the city is two blocks North at Findlay Market.  The best bread is two blocks East on Main St.  I don't ever expect them to have a good selection in those departments.  Are we talking about an urban grocery store, or a suburban grocery store in the middle of the city?  If you're not willing to walk a couple of blocks, then I don't think OTR is the right neighborhood for you.  As far as urban grocery stores are concerned, the selection and prices at the OTR Kroger are the perfect balance to Findlay, Shadeau, and Park+Vine/Clifton Natural Foods.

I'll never understand people who live in Over-the-Rhine and drive (to Kroger or anywhere else).

 

I hear you, Nate.  I live at 15th at Walnut and two of the people in my building DRIVE to Findlay Market all the time.  It's insane.

 

Yep yep! I shop there all the time. Most of the people in there are poor and black; of course the veggie section is heavy on collard greens(Which I am most certainly not complaining about ;-)) and the alcohol light on premium beer. They're serving the people who actually live in OTR quite well and the newcomers aren't numerous enough yet to warrant their expensive cheeses.

 

I'll never understand people who live in Over-the-Rhine and drive (to Kroger or anywhere else).

You wonder why they aren't stocking your favourite things? It's because you aren't actually in the store! Indeed, if you have a car and are so ready to hop in it, you're barely even really living in the neighborhood. The city sure, but hardly the neighborhood. Why should Kroger consider the desires of such fickle people when there is a more captive audience?

 

Because demographics are quickly changing, and the new residents have much more purchasing power than the residents the store is currently catering to. If Kroger is waiting for some mystical tipping point to occur before they reevaluate their offerings, it will be too late, as people will become accustomed to shopping other places, and not even consider the OTR Kroger.

 

That said, I'm actually OK with the OTR Kroger catering to a lower income population.  The new downtown grocery at 4th and Race (if it actually happens) will most certainly be high end, and Findlay Market also skews in that direction.  Between those two, I think downtown/OTR residents will have plenty of options for grocery shopping, and the OTR Kroger could maintain its current operations.

I agree with edale on not wanting this store to be high end.

But I have to point out that they have been actively updating their inventory to meet new demographics.  Some things they never would've stocked two years ago, but you'll find there now include: Whole gallons of skim milk, greek yogurt, hummus, red wine, coconut milk, vegan cheese, granola, and much much more.  They're just small changes, but they're proof that the store is actively responding to changes.

I still think the OTR Kroger is fantastic store.  It's the right size and they do an amazing job of updating their inventory to meet the neighborhood's needs.  I will never understand people who live in Over-the-Rhine and drive across the river to the Newport Kroger.

 

Yep yep! I shop there all the time. Most of the people in there are poor and black; of course the veggie section is heavy on collard greens(Which I am most certainly not complaining about ;-)) and the alcohol light on premium beer. They're serving the people who actually live in OTR quite well and the newcomers aren't numerous enough yet to warrant their expensive cheeses.

 

I'll never understand people who live in Over-the-Rhine and drive (to Kroger or anywhere else).

You wonder why they aren't stocking your favourite things? It's because you aren't actually in the store! Indeed, if you have a car and are so ready to hop in it, you're barely even really living in the neighborhood. The city sure, but hardly the neighborhood. Why should Kroger consider the desires of such fickle people when there is a more captive audience?

 

Why would anyone shop in a store that didn’t carry the things they need? If I have a rare lazy Saturday when I can manage to spend a few hours walking around the neighborhood to the various stores I need to visit to get my weekly groceries I do it, but in general I barely have enough time to make one stop.  Until the OTR Kroger can manage to carry some decent bread, beer, deli items, and produce (my staples) I’ll have to drive elsewhere unless time permits otherwise.

 

Also, I don't think someone having a car has much to do with how much someone "lives" in a neighborhood. Some people like their bikes, and some people like their cars; I'm not sure why some of those people seemingly hate each other.

Really, the combo mentioned of Findlay market + OTR Kroger is so good and natural I'm not sure it even needs to be mentioned.

 

A lot of this boils down to whether you expect shopping in "a store" should satisfy most if your needs (a la big box Kroger) or if you view the resources if the community more broadly. If you think a single store needs to satisfy your needs then you will always need to drive if you live downtown/OTR. And, that is a suburban not an urban mindset. If you took that statement negatively then look inward before assuming that I'm trying to insult or judge anyone.

I don't think it's very constructive to disregard people's desire for one stop shopping by labeling it 'suburban'.  I think one could argue that it's actually a pretty valid concern, especially given how time-strapped most of us are these days.  Modern convenience and urban lifestyles don't have to be contradictory.  Why do you think we are seeing the emergence of urban big box retail and large urban grocery stores? It's a charming idea to walk from specialty shop to specialty shop to buy your groceries or clothes or whatever, but this lifestyle requires time and money, not to mention the physical ability to walk from place to place.  I think by denying the validity of people's desires for convenience, we are just shrinking the pool of potential urban residents.  Cities should provide options for residents so that if someone wants to use Findlay and the various specialty retailers in OTR to buy groceries- they can. Just as the person who wants to drive to the Whole Foods/Trader Joes/Kroger and do some weekly shopping can, hopefully without having to leave the city.

I think the OTR Kroger is pretty nice. If you don't have the time that week to stop by Findlay Market or wherever to get the item you really want, they will have an acceptable substitute. I agree that a demand for one-stop-shopping is counter-urban. Even if there is an increase in suburban-style grocery stores in urban areas, they take up too much space for every urban neighborhood to be served by one and not take a blow to the urban fabric of the city.

I don't think it's very constructive to disregard people's desire for one stop shopping by labeling it 'suburban'. ... It's a charming idea to walk from specialty shop to specialty shop to buy your groceries or clothes or whatever, but this lifestyle requires time and money, not to mention the physical ability to walk from place to place.  I think by denying the validity of people's desires for convenience, we are just shrinking the pool of potential urban residents.

 

It is as suburban as it gets, because it's counter to density. And you are correct, I am disregarding people's desire for one-stop shopping - within the urban fabric - for that reason.

 

That doesn't mean that people who desire that sort of thing (as I do, occasionally) can't live in urban neighborhoods. It just means that they have to drive to the big Kroger across the river. If they don't complain about that, then I think it's fine. After all, there are several things I do not love about my OTR home, but I live there anyway.

 

By the way your cute turning of my statement to imply some pie-in-the-sky "charming" notion of strolling to get my groceries every day, is off base. Give me a break. I walk a few minutes to Findlay market to get meat. Big deal - it's ordinary, not "charming." Another day I walk to OTR Kroger to get cereal and soy milk. Whatever. I like it because it's efficient.

 

The idea that it isn’t urban to get all your groceries in one store is absurd.  I lived in NYC and did it every week, both in Queens and the Upper West Side.  Here, I usually drive 4 minutes up to the Corryville Kroger (which isn't huge, despite its suburban site layout) which suffices as a one stop shop because I often go after 9:00PM and need a handful of things I couldn’t get in OTR anyway. A few product line changes (craft beer six packs instead of 40oz beers, for instance), and better hours and the OTR Kroger could work for most as a one-stop shop.  It already works as a one-stop shop for most of the neighborhoods poor.

Depends what you mean by one-stop shopping. The point is there will never be the variety of an enormous store in every neighborhood. The selection will always be over all a bit more limited in urban settings.

 

If you conform your shopping habits to what's available, you can easily one-stop shop every time. Over time, that will be easier to do at the OTR Kroger, as they respond to changing demographics -- which as ProkNo5 noted, they've already started doing.

 

I've lived in urban neighborhoods with varying sizes of supermarkets, with only a couple bikes for transport. Sometimes I'd travel farther for a bigger store or one with better hours or one with cheaper goods, but usually I'd just make do with the closest store for the sake of convenience. Sometimes this meant I spent more money or bought smaller containers of things or bought cheddar cheese instead of something fancier. On the occasion I needed something else I'd just go a bit farther to the store that had it.

 

If you make things part of your staple shopping that can only be obtained at Jungle Jims, you'll run into problems. You have to negotiate with the cards you have in your hand. Which isn't to say you should settle for crap, because that is not the alternative.

 

Ram23, I wonder if you bought the exact same things on the Upper West Side as you bought in Queens, or if you altered your habits a bit to conform to what was on offer at the individual stores.

 

Maybe OTR Kroger isn't there yet for everyone, but it seems to me it has a pretty decent selection, and coupled with Findlay it's certainly nothing to thumb one's nose at.

There's nothing anti-urban about one-stop-shopping.  One of the quintessential city institutions, with a very urban building typology, is the downtown department store.  No it isn't for "grocery" shopping, but especially before many of these stores decanted out to the suburbs they provided just about everything besides food you could ever want to buy.  They've gotten a bit more specialized today into clothing, electronics, appliances, or furniture, depending on the particular company, but they were the Wal-Marts or Targets of their day, and they did so in large multi-story buildings without parking lots.  To extend that paradigm to food buying isn't really any stretch at all.  Findlay Market is an example of agglomeration of merchants already.  It's not quite one-stop-shopping, but it's much closer than having a butcher shop on Elm Street, a produce vendor on Race, a bakery on Vine, and a florist on Walnut. 

 

It is as suburban as it gets, because it's counter to density. And you are correct, I am disregarding people's desire for one-stop shopping - within the urban fabric - for that reason.

 

That doesn't mean that people who desire that sort of thing (as I do, occasionally) can't live in urban neighborhoods. It just means that they have to drive to the big Kroger across the river. If they don't complain about that, then I think it's fine. After all, there are several things I do not love about my OTR home, but I live there anyway.

 

By the way your cute turning of my statement to imply some pie-in-the-sky "charming" notion of strolling to get my groceries every day, is off base. Give me a break. I walk a few minutes to Findlay market to get meat. Big deal - it's ordinary, not "charming." Another day I walk to OTR Kroger to get cereal and soy milk. Whatever. I like it because it's efficient.

 

 

I get the sense that some people in OTR think that they invented urban living or something.  Like Ram and others have said, one stop shopping does NOT have to be anti urban, and many cities around the country have seemed to figure this out.  Your attitude towards this subject reminds me of the saying that if you asked people how they would improve their transportation before the car, they would say faster horses.  Having been in many environments where large urban grocery stores exist and flourish, your position seems naive at best. 

 

Do a little research and educate yourself on urban grocery stores.  Whole Foods has many urban stores, some of the best I've seen being in DC (Foggy Bottom, Logan Circle). Trader Joes (Hollywood, CA and DC's West End store come to mind), and even Ralph's, owned by Kroger and decidedly middle of the road...not high end...has a great store in Downtown Los Angeles.

^^^the best meat, vegetables, and cheese in the city is two blocks North at Findlay Market.  The best bread is two blocks East on Main St.  I don't ever expect them to have a good selection in those departments.  Are we talking about an urban grocery store, or a suburban grocery store in the middle of the city?  If you're not willing to walk a couple of blocks, then I don't think OTR is the right neighborhood for you.

 

EDITED BECAUSE MY FRUSTRATION WAS SHOWING.  As someone who lives in OTR, walks to work in downtown, eats at various OTR restaurants (and downtown), and spends more time in places like Washington Park and on Main Street than you can guess, let me say perhaps you should think a bit about who you are replying to before you say things like this. 

This discussion is not an either/or argument. Urban environments have been successful because they offer a variety of choices in the style of shopping. If you want to shop at a one-stop shop, that's fine. I remember going to the very suburban styled PathMark in Gowanas Canal for groceries via the bus, but I also went to the open air farmers markets in New York. People in OTR do the same thing however the option of a quality grocer is lacking.

 

I also patronize the Vine Street Kroger. It serves its purpose as a type of glorified convenience store. The produce I get there I know I have to use the day of. I know it won't carry the brand of cereal I prefer. I also go to Findlay Market as well. A friend of mine that lives at Parvis goes to the Vine Street store regularly. There are better stores and worse stores in other urban environments.

 

It doesn't mean we shouldn't be fighting for the upscale Whole Foods type stores, and it doesn't mean we should just be accepting of the status quo ante. We should be working to improve the things we have and also working on getting the things we want. There are tons of downtown residents that crave the urban store experience but maybe they're thinking of it more along the lines of a Whole Foods not a Vine Street Kroger. That's worth working towards.

 

p.s. Keep it civil.

A little Cincy-related urban grocery store news from out here in Oregon......

 

 

Worst-kept secret: Fred Meyer's South Waterfront plan

Wendy Culverwell Real Estate Daily editor- Portland Business Journal

 

Portland’s ambitious South Waterfront experiment in neighborhood-making looked a lot like a failure when the Great Recession hit......

 

Fred Meyer, a division of Cincinnati-based Kroger Corp., wouldn’t comment on the plans. But last year, president Lynn Gust confirmed the company was exploring the idea of a small format model to its big box department stores, following in the footsteps of rivals such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Target Corp.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blog/real-estate-daily/2013/08/worst-kept-secret-fred-mayers-south.html

^^^the best meat, vegetables, and cheese in the city is two blocks North at Findlay Market.  The best bread is two blocks East on Main St.  I don't ever expect them to have a good selection in those departments.  Are we talking about an urban grocery store, or a suburban grocery store in the middle of the city?  If you're not willing to walk a couple of blocks, then I don't think OTR is the right neighborhood for you.

 

EDITED BECAUSE MY FRUSTRATION WAS SHOWING.  As someone who lives in OTR, walks to work in downtown, eats at various OTR restaurants (and downtown), and spends more time in places like Washington Park and on Main Street than you can guess, let me say perhaps you should think a bit about who you are replying to before you say things like this.

 

I'm not exactly sure what your frustration is with. You clearly walk a lot and embrace the walkability of the neighborhood. My frustration is over my fellow OTR neighbors who insist on driving everywhere. I live at 15th and Walnut and my upstairs neighbor drives to Findlay Market to get lunch regularly. That's not exactly urban living.

 

The topic at hand is whether it not Cincinnati has given up on the urban grocery store. My argument is that Cincinnati has a pretty decent collection or urban grocery stores in OTR, Walnut Hills, Mt Washington, and Covington and were working to improve them. Does that mean that we shouldn't work to building a large suburban grocer in downtown? Absolutely not. I would love to see a multi-level grocer in the Central Business District. But to bash the OTR Kroger as some ghetto run-down shithole (as I've heard many if my neighbors do) is just uncalled for and ridiculous.

In case anyone isn't aware the OTR Kroger has expanded its Sunday hours to 9 PM (previously 6 PM closing on Sundays). Additionally, they now carry craft beer.

 

If it happens, the fourth and race grocery store will have hours of 7 AM to 10 PM every day.

 

That new grocery store will be about the same size as the OTR Kroger, but obviously will be slightly higher end and targeted more at Gravin go dishes for downtown residents and commuters.

While that's good news (I didn't know their sunday hours expanded. Woo!) I was just there, and they most certainly do not have a craft beer selection worth checking out (unless it is not refrigerated and in an aisle I didn't check). I noticed a six pack of Moerlein Northern Liberties and a 12-pack of Magic Hat. That's all I saw as far as craft goes.

 

They do seem to be doing a better job stocking things lately and it is my go-to grocery store since I don't have to drive to get there.

While that's good news (I didn't know their sunday hours expanded. Woo!) I was just there, and they most certainly do not have a craft beer selection worth checking out (unless it is not refrigerated and in an aisle I didn't check). I noticed a six pack of Moerlein Northern Liberties and a 12-pack of Magic Hat. That's all I saw as far as craft goes.

 

They do seem to be doing a better job stocking things lately and it is my go-to grocery store since I don't have to drive to get there.

 

Speaking of this, what ever happened to that effort to get OTR convenience stores to stop carrying items such as 40's of malt liquor? I'm not sure who was leading this effort, but it seemed strange to ask businesses to stop carrying items that they are making a profit on.

Well, I do know that people had convinced the convenience stores on Vine to stop selling items that could be used to smoke crack, like Chore Boy scouring pads.  But I can't imagine that you could convince people to stop selling 40s, it has to be a big moneymaker. The way to change what a store sells is to change the store's clientele so that changing the product lineup is profitable.

 

Didn't they quit selling quarts & 40s at the gas station on Liberty?

You could still get 6 & 12 packs of beer.

Well, I do know that people had convinced the convenience stores on Vine to stop selling items that could be used to smoke crack, like Chore Boy scouring pads. 

 

A buddy of mine used to work at a carryout in Portsmouth that sold a ton of those. One day they ran out of lighters, so my buddy suggested this lady buy some matches. She fired back with, "You can't smoke crack with matches!"

The initial 21,000 square feet of retail space will be developed along West Freedom Way, wrapping to the corners of Race and Rosa Parks streets. In addition, the developers are building out a 40,000-square-foot space along Second Street as parking for residential units at the Banks, but this space could be converted once the developers land a tenant or tenants.

 

The space could be used by one 40,000-square-foot tenant or divided into two 20,000-square-foot spaces. One of the users Swadel said the Banks would like to land is a grocery store.

 

“We would love one,” Swadel told me Tuesday afternoon. “A number of groups have attempted to land one in downtown. We’ll keep pursuing that, but no promises.”

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/blog/2013/08/is-banks-phase-iia-saving-room-for-a.html?page=all

 

Don't grocery stores typically cluster near their competition? I could see a Trader Joe's or Fresh Market opening up in response to the other new downtown grocery store.

 

I'm not completely sure that grocery stores like to follow this model as much as other types of retail.  I guess you do see it in a few places in the region, namely Hyde Park Plaza (Kroger and Remke/Biggs) and Kenwood (Trader Joes and Fresh Market), but it seems to me that grocery stores like to capture as much of the market as possible, and generally competition is not welcomed.  The problem in Cincinnati is that we simply don't have the density and raw population numbers to attract many of these national retailers/grocers.  Trader Joes has indicated that this is a one store market because of the metrics they require for population, income, educational attainment, and access.  Sites that we think would be perfect for a TJ (old IGA site on Ludlow) simply fall short on one or more of these metrics, unfortunately. 

^Really? Yet two are in the same general area in Indianapolis? Also 2 in Columbus and Cleveland. 3 in Virginia beach/Norfolk and Raleigh/Durham. Portland has 8!!!

^Shocks me too. There is one in Centerville too, which might help explain why there isn't a Trader Joes in Mason or West Chester. Maybe TJ's metrics just don't work well in the Midwest?

Trader Joe's marches to their own drum in store location, even in markets where they already exist.  They are polite when City governments try to lure them and accept your information, but tell you "we will be in touch".  We worked with them for five years for a store here in Oregon, and they ended up with a few sites that completely bucked the trend of the demographics (household income-wise, auto access-wise, etc.) in locations no grocery store chain would ever take.

 

 

The problem in Cincinnati is that we simply don't have the density and raw population numbers to attract many of these national retailers/grocers. 

 

I don't buy that--we certainly have the raw population and density to compare to Columbus and Indy. 

 

Of course, we also have (I suspect) a higher number of Krogers per capita than either of those places, and we also have multiple Fresh Markets, the Trade Joe's in Kenwood, Whole Foods at Rookwood, not to mention Jungle Jim's in Fairfield and Eastgate.  I suspect that it may not be numbers on a raw scale as much as numbers compared to the stores that are already in place. 

^I don't know about that.  Speaking for Columbus, there's Kroger, Giant Eagle, multiple Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Fresh Markets, Hills Markets, etc.  I'm with The_Cincinnati_Kid that they march to their own drum.

Well, fine then!  ;)

Kroger is the only supermarket inside Cincinnati city limits, with the exception of The Fresh Market in Oakley on Madison - and that's on the very edge of Norwood. That seems strange to me.

^Incorrect. There is a Remke in Hyde Park Plaza.

FWIW, arent there also a couple Save-a-Lots?  I know there is one near Mt Airy and over on Seymour.

I stand corrected on the Remke/Biggs. I wouldn't consider a Save-a-lot a supermarket... they seem to me more on par with Aldi's. But even then, there's only the one on Harrison Rd in Westwood.

 

So Cincy is monopolized by Kroger. And has

 

Fresh Market - Oakley

Remke/Biggs - Oakley

Save-A-Lot - Westwood & Bondhill

 

Still seems odd.

And Target, Meijer, Walmart...

Is the Save-a-Lot in Northside gone?

Whole Foods in Rookwood.

I was saying in the city specifically. That Whole Foods is in Norwood (the horror!) The Meijer you mentioned is in Cincinnati, though (Oakley). Unless something has changed, that Target doesn't sell groceries really - a few dry goods, chips, snacks, etc. But no produce or cooler items. There is a WalMart on the edge of PriceHill (the others are in Colerain Twp and Fairfax).

 

So with this new inventory we have:

 

1 WalMart (W Price Hill)

1 Meijer (Oakley)

1 The Fresh Market (Oakley)

1 Remke/Biggs (Oakley)

2 Save-A-Lot (Westwood & Bond Hill)

Lots of Kroger stores

 

In the city limits, does that not seem like limited competition for Kroger?? And why are all the alternatives clustered in Oakley?

Many tend to hate on Kroger around here because they have not opened a downtown store/improved the OTR store, they have/may close some inner-city stores (e.g. Roselawn, Harrison Avenue, Walnut Hills, etc.), and their stores lack good urban design, but there is something to be said for the number of stores they do maintain within the city. Ferguson Road, Price Hill, Mt. Washington, Kenard Road, Hyde Park, etc. are all fairly nice stores, and Corryville and OTR will likely be upgraded at some point.

Unless something has changed, that Target doesn't sell groceries really - a few dry goods, chips, snacks, etc. But no produce or cooler items.

 

It has a full grocery section now. Also there is the Walmart on Red Bank.

The one on Red banks is Fairfax. I'm sure alot of these stores are looking at the demographics of the Banks. Maybe they are waiting for more phases to come online?

Is the Save-a-Lot in Northside gone?

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There's a committee (it's Northside) trying to find someone to take over the Sav-a-Lot location. I think these guys.

http://www.healthycornerstores.org/

What gets me about the whole "there's not enough population, blah blah blah" argument is that whenever I go to visit my parents in the Pinehurst/Southern Pines, North Carolina area there's always new grocery stores opening up.  Yes, this is a 100% driving-only area, and the distances to stores are nowhere near what you'd want to see in the urban areas of Cincinnati, but there's grocery stores EVERYWHERE down there, and all sorts of different chains too, with very low (in many cases rural) population density.  There's a Fresh Market, two Harris Teeters, multiple Food Lions, Lowes Foods, Piggly Wiggly, and the smaller local chains, not to mention Wal Mart.  This is an area that spans roughly the equivalent distance from Covington to Norwood, but which has only about 50,000 people.   

Kroger OTR store has reconfigured their produce section to increase selection. We shop here regularly to augment Findlay market trips. This is a huge change from two years ago.

 

Some people have some strong negative feelings about this store (that I think have always been unjustified) but they are definitely trying.

 

That's good to see. In about a month I'll be moving down there and am happy the store is consistently improving since I'll be doing a lot of grocery shopping there.

Possibility of a Harris Teeter location downtown...too bad I'm not a wcpo insider to read more :roll:

 

http://www.wcpo.com/money/local-business-news/kroger-co-kr-harris-teeter-acquisition-could-lead-to-new-downtown-cincinnati-store