April 11, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, columbus17 said: The "cap" is a sorry excuse of a replacement. You leave the Cheesecake Factory alone! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 11, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, VintageLife said: Something like Woods Company did at 705 n high. That building looks incredible and there is no reason this new building couldn’t be on the same level. That’s exactly what I was thinking about. If they are going to produce something of that quality, I’m fine with losing the relatively basic facades. But if they try to do some basic contemporary BS, the commission better tell them to take a hike.
April 11, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: You leave the Cheesecake Factory alone! Honestly, it would probably do better and be a consistent replacement for the ever rotating restaurants on the east half.
April 11, 20232 yr The majority of social medium hates this project. People want the bank facade saved and not the interior and they want it all replaced with 30+ towers. So it went from build something over 10 stories for once, to now it has to be 30+ or Columbus will never be a happening city.
April 11, 20232 yr Given that High Street sits quite a bit higher (I supposed pun is intended here) than the river bank, even at 15 stories it will fill in a nice gap, but man going to 20-25 floors would be nice. Just so long as it is a quality build and not like the A&F dormitories across the street.
April 11, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Gnoraa said: Given that High Street sits quite a bit higher (I supposed pun is intended here) than the river bank, even at 15 stories it will fill in a nice gap, but man going to 20-25 floors would be nice. Just so long as it is a quality build and not like the A&F dormitories across the street. Yeah I wouldn’t mind if we got more 20+, but people thinking we need 30 for the city to actually thrive are hilarious. The busiest spots downtown are in areas with buildings no taller than 10 stories. I would take a ton of 15-20 stories over a few 30+, but hope both happen at some point.
April 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, VintageLife said: The majority of social medium hates this project. People want the bank facade saved and not the interior and they want it all replaced with 30+ towers. So it went from build something over 10 stories for once, to now it has to be 30+ or Columbus will never be a happening city. I found Jman on reddit so I bet he has infested social media as well. "But Austin, Charlotte, Nashville!!!!!!" If they could push it up a few floors great, but otherwise a nice design, good materials, and an appropriate entry floor on High will be fine. The 30 story tower can go on the Schiff lot down the street. It is not like we are lacking spaces for towers.
April 12, 20232 yr Cleveland developer plans to build 15-story tower next to Ohio National Bank building in downtown Columbus The new owner of the Ohio National Bank building in downtown Columbus plans to build a 15-story tower next to the historic property. The bank building itself, which was built in 1914 and is listed on the National Register of Historic Places, would be preserved and transformed into a restaurant or other retail use. Randall Sacks, CEO of the Cleveland firm that bought the bank and its neighbors earlier this year, said the High and Town street intersection is perfect for multifamily development. The proposed 15-story tower would replace the buildings from 171 to 191 S. High St. and have 200 market-rate apartments. Plans submitted to the city show studio, one- and two-bedroom apartments. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2023/04/12/harsax-ohio-national-bank-building.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 12, 20232 yr 40 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: 15 story 'tower' Lol. They mean megalithic box. I would guess the renderings we saw are super rough draft and more to show what a 15 story would be. Hopefully the commission gives some guidance for look and feel. If they push through with that design though, yikes.
April 12, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, VintageLife said: I would guess the renderings we saw are super rough draft and more to show what a 15 story would be. Hopefully the commission gives some guidance for look and feel. If they push through with that design though, yikes. The commission will give few if not zero notes. The commissions in general have not been successful in pushing developers to develop less monolithic structures. It's a massing rendering. So even if finishes are selected they still seem to intend to build a box unless pushed to mix up the massing.
April 12, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, DTCL11 said: The commission will give few if not zero notes. The commissions in general have not been successful in pushing developers to develop less monolithic structures. It's a massing rendering. So even if finishes are selected they still seem to intend to build a box unless pushed to mix up the massing. They should be pushed not only for a less monolithic look, but for some tapering at the top(add a few more floors and add penthouses/activate some rooftop amenity areas for God's Sake), good materials, and a good looking first floor facade that will do justice to the beauty of the old bank building. I really do not want to see a flat topped box. *market rate equals unaffordably high for most folks. Sigh. So they better give us something decent to look at!
May 17, 20232 yr I honestly don’t hate this and think it will be great. Hopefully it gets approved and they start construction quickly.
May 17, 20232 yr Interesting design. I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I can see why they don't want to preserve the facades of the existing buildings though.
May 17, 20232 yr It has almost a "brutalist" look to it, but if the external materials are of good quality it could turn out pretty cool. At first I was like, no balconies???? But then looked closer and it appears they are built within the building so they are covered, which is actually quite nice. I'd also like to see what kind of amenity deck they are offering. Perhaps where it is tapered down on the "back" end facing West. A pool deck with westward sun would actually do nicely!! Edited May 17, 20232 yr by Gnoraa
May 17, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, Gnoraa said: It has almost a "brutalist" look to it, but if the external materials are of good quality it could turn out pretty cool. At first I was like, no balconies???? But then looked closer and it appears they are built within the building so they are covered, which is actually quite nice. I'd also like to see what kind of amenity deck they are offering. Perhaps where it is tapered down on the "back" end facing West. A pool deck with westward sun would actually do nicely!! Yeah hopefully the material is of high quality and not some crappy metal panels like the Gay and high development.
May 17, 20232 yr Honestly, I really like it. Kinda reminds me of the Marker proposal for Broad in Franklinton, but on steroids lol Did they mention what they plan to do with the old bank building? it’s also so great to see so much continued momentum for downtown. Can’t wait to see more and more of these projects get started!
May 17, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, amped91 said: it’s also so great to see so much continued momentum for downtown. Can’t wait to see more and more of these projects get started! So true! If all these projects going before the Downtown Commission get started within the next year, we could easily see 5-7 tower cranes scattered around downtown by the end of next year. Now that the Short North has mostly been built out, it really feels like momentum is beginning to shift downtown.
May 17, 20232 yr I wish it had a taper but I like it. Bye facades...sorry but this looks really good. And recessed balconies! It is bold and unusual for Cbus and will really stand out. If we can only drag a little more height out of it.
May 17, 20232 yr 31 minutes ago, amped91 said: Honestly, I really like it. Kinda reminds me of the Marker proposal for Broad in Franklinton, but on steroids lol Did they mention what they plan to do with the old bank building? it’s also so great to see so much continued momentum for downtown. Can’t wait to see more and more of these projects get started! Bank building will be retail of some kind.
May 17, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, Gnoraa said: Do we have a unit count? Sorry, meant to add, it says 200 units.
May 17, 20232 yr I like the design but i wish it wasn't a ripoff of SHoP's 242 Broome Street project in NYC.
May 17, 20232 yr 46 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: Looks like it will be 187' tall. Not bad! They have the height listed at 192’ so you are damn close.
May 17, 20232 yr Didn’t notice this the first time I looked, but retail will butt up against the historic building. Wonder if that means it will be connected to the bank.
May 17, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, PizzaScissors said: I like the design but i wish it wasn't a ripoff of SHoP's 242 Broome Street project in NYC. I don’t mind that, honestly this building looks like a better representation of this. If the materials are of similar quality, even better.
May 17, 20232 yr I don't...hate it?!? "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 18, 20232 yr This looks pretty good, but ultimately will come down to materials and detailing No doubt NBBJ is skilled at putting out sexy renderings, but it's not until after the developer gets bids and then VE items when things actually get real I also see they are on the agenda for only conceptual review, but still requesting immediate demolition approval. I hope the commission denies that, but encourages them to come back with more details and signals their support for demolition when they are ready to move forward with construction I'd also like to know more about their plans for the bank building
May 18, 20232 yr 16 hours ago, VintageLife said: Renderings for the 15 story next to the historic bank. Looks like a mini-Metropolitan on 9:
May 18, 20232 yr 15 hours ago, KyleofColumbus said: Building looks great, but it would be sad to see the former buildings go. It is too bad that they cannot remove the facades, store them, and use them as part of another downtown project.
May 18, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, Toddguy said: It is too bad that they cannot remove the facades, store them, and use them as part of another downtown project. I wouldn't mind if the buildings stay and we're refurbished and this new tower going over to an empty parking lot just a block south on Main and High.
May 18, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, KyleofColumbus said: I wouldn't mind if the buildings stay and we're refurbished and this new tower going over to an empty parking lot just a block south on Main and High. Well I don't think that is going to happen and that lot should have something larger than this. But saving/storing the facades is something that is at least feasible and maybe it should be something we can ask for that is at least within reason(as in other cities have done this).
May 18, 20232 yr Is it me, or does anyone else think it the façade of the existing buildings could still be saved, even with the renderings provided? In the below render, it looks like the parking deck nearly meets the height of the bank building: 17 hours ago, VintageLife said: I wonder if they could save the brick façade of the original buildings and overlay the bricks and window openings on the garage, then change the exterior cladding from charcoal gray to a reddish color. Might take a bit more effort, but I feel like it could be done.
May 18, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, CMHOhio said: Is it me, or does anyone else think it the façade of the existing buildings could still be saved, even with the renderings provided? In the below render, it looks like the parking deck nearly meets the height of the bank building: I wonder if they could save the brick façade of the original buildings and overlay the bricks and window openings on the garage, then change the exterior cladding from charcoal gray to a reddish color. Might take a bit more effort, but I feel like it could be done. It would change the overall look and feel of the new build. If the commission actually pushes the developer to use high quality material, this will look great. If they use some crappy stuff I would rather the buildings be preserved. In the materials submitted they mention that one of the buildings has a really bad hole in on of the floors from the room damage. The foundation sounds like it is falling apart and it is honestly probably better to just demo. I would love to see the facade somewhere, but get not saving it.
May 23, 20232 yr The proposal for the 15 story was pulled by the developer so it was not presented at the meeting. I’m hoping that isn’t a bad sign.
May 23, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, VintageLife said: The proposal for the 15 story was pulled by the developer so it was not presented at the meeting. I’m hoping that isn’t a bad sign. I’ll cross my fingers it means they’re gonna retool it and make it a 20 story project instead 😅
May 24, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, VintageLife said: The proposal for the 15 story was pulled by the developer so it was not presented at the meeting. I’m hoping that isn’t a bad sign. 20 hours ago, amped91 said: I’ll cross my fingers it means they’re gonna retool it and make it a 20 story project instead 😅 This is a bit troubling. I hope amped91 is right. 20 floors with a taper for the top 5 floors would be great. It did not get any really negative feedback that I recall.
May 24, 20232 yr 29 minutes ago, Toddguy said: This is a bit troubling. I hope amped91 is right. 20 floors with a taper for the top 5 floors would be great. It did not get any really negative feedback that I recall. The demand is now going to be there more than ever before, I wouldn’t be shocked by a retool. However I unfortunately think it’s a funding issue so I’m not too optimistic it will be reality.
May 24, 20232 yr Best case IMO is they're holding off until their plans are more fully developed, likely having been informed the city would not approve demolition until any replacement is shovel ready The renderings looked sharp, but the rest of the submitted materials were still very conceptual. I hope they'll be back Edited May 24, 20232 yr by NW24HX
May 25, 20232 yr 23 hours ago, wpcc88 said: However I unfortunately think it’s a funding issue so I’m not too optimistic it will be reality. I think they already closed on the property right? I get things can fall through, but if it is a funding issue, I hope they’re able to find a new lender soon. I’d hate to see this sit vacant yet another decade. I wonder if there’s a chance they decided to incorporate the old facade? Or maybe whomever was supposed to present got sick? 🤷🏼♂️
May 28, 20232 yr On 5/25/2023 at 12:38 PM, amped91 said: I think they already closed on the property right? I get things can fall through, but if it is a funding issue, I hope they’re able to find a new lender soon. I’d hate to see this sit vacant yet another decade. I wonder if there’s a chance they decided to incorporate the old facade? Or maybe whomever was supposed to present got sick? 🤷🏼♂️ They might have bought the property but you still have to pay for demo, materials, etc.
May 29, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, wpcc88 said: They might have bought the property but you still have to pay for demo, materials, etc. Obviously. That wasn’t my point. My point was that it’s especially disappointing if it’s already changed hands to someone who can’t secure capital and it’s just going to sit vacant for yet another decade…
May 29, 20232 yr On 5/17/2023 at 1:47 PM, PizzaScissors said: I like the design but i wish it wasn't a ripoff of SHoP's 242 Broome Street project in NYC. They are not even close design wise other than being buildings and black. The whole form of the building, details and window treatments are different, not to mention the Columbus building has balconies.
May 30, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, jeremyck01 said: They are not even close design wise other than being buildings and black. The whole form of the building, details and window treatments are different, not to mention the Columbus building has balconies. I agree, I think it actually plays off the fifth third building at high and state. It isn’t exactly alike, but seems to have similar angles and look.
June 23, 20231 yr On 5/23/2023 at 3:57 PM, amped91 said: I’ll cross my fingers it means they’re gonna retool it and make it a 20 story project instead 😅 It’s back for this months meeting, it’s still at 15 and looks the same. Not sure why they pulled it last month.
June 23, 20231 yr 19 minutes ago, VintageLife said: It’s back for this months meeting, it’s still at 15 and looks the same. Not sure why they pulled it last month. Maybe they simply couldn’t make the meeting?
June 23, 20231 yr 20 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: Maybe they simply couldn’t make the meeting? Yeah who knows, could be pretty much anything. I’m just glad it’s back and hasn’t changed.
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