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(not sure to post this in the pix or city discussions thread...maybe more here since these arent really "pix" but maps)

 

Y'all might recall those psuedoanalytical pix threads I posted of Dayton's Oregon District and South Park neighborhood.

 

Well, it turns out other people are doing something similar and I am not a "lone nut" interested in this stuff. 

 

Apparently there is this area of research called "Urban Morphology" that looks at the development urban form of cities.  This seems to be happening mostly in Europe (as those cities are so much older so there is more history to effect developement), but there is this happening in the US too.  I think this movement influenced the architect Aldo Rossi, whos book on the "Architecture of the City' influenced what I was doing with those Dayton threads.

 

I ran across a few books on this urban morphology stuff...one of the best is Built for Change, Neighborhood Architecture in San Francisco, which was pretty close to what I was doing w. Dayton, looking at the evolution of urban vernacular architecture as well as the street and lot plans.

 

For Ohio, for one of my favorite neighborhoods, I found this absoultley fabulous masters theses, via Ohiolink....

 

The Rise Fall and Regeneration of Over-The-Rhine: A Morphological Study

by Daniel Brian Ferdelman[/u]

 

...his masters theses for a Master of Community Planning from UC, 1997.

 

This is one damn fine study and book!  There was a ton of computer graphic and computer mapping involved, and Mr Ferdelman details how he went about digitizing an old insurance map of 1855 and subsequent Sanborn Maps to develope a comparison over time of the built form of OTR.

 

Ferdelman also apparently did a bunch of research in the County Recorders Office on how OTR was platted, yielding a platting history of the neighborhood, with discussion of how these plats differed, etc.

 

The concept here is that urban form can be "broken downt into three interrelated elements: town plan, built form, and land use.  Typo-morphology is the study of the urban form by understanding typical space and structure configurations and their change over time.  The complex interplay of economics, society, and politics through time results in the built form or "townscape". (page 1 of the thesis).

 

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So what I did was scan some maps and graphics from the thesis for y'all to look at, and maybe if you like it you can check out this book from the library, if you have access to an academic library or Ohiolink.

 

 

Over the Rhine in 1855, 1891, 1956 and 1991.  The date labels are mine, as these where big 11 x 17 maps that I had to cut off.  What makes this so impressive is that Ferdelman used different sources at different but managed to create comparable built form maps using computer mapping/CAD...

 

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And a map of what survives from 1891...

 

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Then some comparisons of the Central Parkway/Canal area through time, showing how the street wall around the old canal was eroded way by parking lots and such

 

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....and the drastic break in the urban fabric caused by the widening of Liberty Street in the 1960s.  Libertys angle is because the street follows a section line from the rectangular coordinate survey, while OTR streets are projections from the orginal city plat, which follows the river bank.

 

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And a 11 x 17 map showing the outlines of building destroyed to widened Liberty.  I always wondered why this street was so wide...well, apparently it wasn't that way in the beginning.

 

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One of the conclusions of the theses is that much of the demolition in OTR came not from neglect or obsolesence but from government action.

 

Here are some more maps showing how OTR developed out of the outlots in the orginal Cincinnati plat.  The north-south streets projections from the town plat into the outlots.  This city lot/outlot system was also used in Dayton, Lexington, Columbus, maybe Louisville. Don't know about Cleveland.

 

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Since the north-south streets where fixed in the original plat, the east-west streets where more a product of the outlot platting, resulting in jogs and discontinuities. OTR's street system is not a true grid, like downtown Cincinnati.

 

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There are also more maps showing the different patterns of platting in the outlots, as well as a big 11 x 17 map showing the platting history, based on the research at the recorders office.

 

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Probably for me the most interesting was this one small map, showing "building replacement".  Apparently OTR was orginally built out at lower building density or land coverage, and built out at 2 to 3 stories, mosty in wood (but with some brick).  Between 1855 and 1891 the neighborhood was rebuilt at a higher density in brick and stone, with taller buidlings (though this rebuilding might have been going on already in 1855?)

 

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...and a close-up of this map..outlines are 1891, shaded 1855.

 

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One wonders if OTR looked back then more like the Oregon or German Village, as some of the footprints and arrangements on lots resemble somewhat what remains in Dayton.  Also, this recycling or building subsitution process might have been happening in the Oregon, too, as that neighborhood was platted in the 1820s through 40s, yet not much remains from that early platting era, with survivals starting more in the 1840s and 1850s.

 

Some more maps of parts of OTR, enlargments by me of the built form maps, of parts of Over The Rhine, showing how the neighborhood increased in density in the 35 years or so between 1855 and 1891.  This subsitution process is in itself interesting as the OTR we know is not the orginal neighborhood (what did those early buildings look like?), and also, that the original neighborhood, being largely in wood and still fairly dense, was sort of a big firetrap.

 

One can surmise Cincinnati was lucky it did not experience the fate of Chicago, 1871!

 

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Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this introduction to this theses.  I think OTR could bear more study, too (Ferdelman said he had to narrow his these focus because of time constraints).  There are some books out on the place, but they aren't quite that analytical as this one was. One good one with pix is Cincinnati: Over The Rhine by Robert J Wimberg, published by the excellent Ohio Bookstore (on Main in dtwn Cincy), which has dates along with some of the pix, so one can sort of chart the (re)building of OTR.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are still a few wood frame buildings around.  I think you are right that the earlier buildings were more similar to Oregon or German Village.  The few that remain bear that out.

 

I also wonder if anyone has done a typological study of the building types.  For example the dominant type has three windows on each level, two rooms in front, a set of stairs and two rooms in back.  There are fewer of the courtyard and lightwell type.

 

Good find.

 

  The Liberty Street widening is especially interesting. The north side of Liberty Street is somewhat intact, with building lines at the edge of the street. Most of the buildings themselves, with a few exceptions, were angled to fit the lots. I presume that the buildings on the south side were like this as well.

 

  Upon widening, every single building on the south side was removed. The first building NOT removed typically left a blank wall facing Liberty street, with a triangular vacant lot. A few of those have since been redeveloped, but most of them remain parking lots or dumping grounds. Driving down Liberty, one sees weedy lots full of trash, triangular shaped parking lots, and some sprawl-type development (KFC.)

 

    By contrast, 12th street in Covington, Kentucky is proposed to be widened. Apparently, someone has learned a lesson. You can't just take the front 10 feet of a building; you have to take the whole building. On 12th street, it is proposed to take a whole block of buildings, but upon widening, to BUILD NEW BUILDINGS about 10 feet back, in order to preserve the street wall and prevent empty lots, not to mention keep the tax rolls going.

 

    Nearby Sycamore Hill was widened by taking every building on the east side and making a long strip park of the remainder. Now the whole street, including utilities, must be maintained, but the city is only collecting taxes on half of the frontage.

 

  I would love to see a map like this of the whole Cincinnati Basin.

 

  Thanks again for posting!

 

 

 

   

>....and the drastic break in the urban fabric caused by the widening of Liberty Street in the 1960s.  Libertys angle is because the street follows a section line from the rectangular coordinate survey, while OTR streets are projections from the orginal city plat, which follows the river bank.

 

Liberty St. was the baseline for the entire Symmes Purchase and is perpendicular to magnetic north.  Also, Liberty St. ran originally straight up Liberty Hill, today's Liberty St. east of Sycamore was cut through typically dense blocks to the I-471 entrance ramps.

 

The "outlot" system actually started north of 7th St., that is why there are blocks measuring only 200-300ft. north to Central Parkway.  The courthouse was laid out on a standard 400X400 square block before the outlots made their way to it, that's why the street layout is screwed up in that area, aside from the canal turnaround, cheapside spur, Ohio River connection (Eggleston Ave.) and the Court St. market contributing.       

 

 

^--- There is a different story about the baseline found in "Original Ohio Land Subdivisions, Volume III of the final report, Ohio Cooperative Topographic Survey, by C.E. Sherman, 1925. He quotes "Notes on the early settlement of the Northwestern Territory" by Jacob Burnet, Cincinnati, 1847.

 

  "At the commencement of the survey, the principal surveyor was directed to run a line east and west from one Miami river to the other, sufficiently north to avoid the bends of the Ohio, for a base line, on which he was directed to plant a stake at the termination of each mile. The assistant surveyors were then instructed to run meridian lines by the companss, from each of these stakes, and to plant a stake at the termination of each mile, for a section corner."

 

    The line of Liberty street intersects the Ohio River 4 times, so I don't think it was the baseline. Judging from the Hamilton County Map and the range numbers, I think the baseline was about 5 miles north,  between Fractional Range 2 and Entire Range 1, also known as the line between Colerain, Springfield, Sycamore, and Symmes Townships on the north and Whitewater, Green, Millcreek, and Columbia Townships on the south.

 

    It is true that Liberty Street follows a section line, and a township line at that. Some old maps show Liberty Street extending to the river to the east, but as far as I know, an improved street was never built over that extremely hilly route. Liberty Street was the original northern boundary of the town of Cincinnati. Since the town had no jurisdiction of the land north of Liberty Street, the area was called the "northern liberties."

 

    The original boundaries of the town of Cincinnati were the line of Liberty Street on the north, the Ohio River on the south and east, and the Mill Creek on the west. Cincinnati became a town in 1802, a city in 1819, and made it's first annexation, a tract of land bounded on the south by Liberty Street, on the west by the Mill Creek, on the north by another section line, McMillan Street, and on the east by Reading Road, in 1849.

 

   

 

 

That may be correct, in which case Liberty St. was the baseline of Licking Township's sectional subdivisisions, or obviously a section line at the very least.  Using my mouse pad as a straight edge, it looks like McMillan St. points *directly* at the confluence of the Great Miami and the Ohio, that might be just by chance or part of the actual true baseline, although it doesn't line up with either Cleves-Warsaw Pike or Werk Rd. on the west side, although those two mysteriously aren't exactly one mile apart from each other.

Here are some maps to illustrate what Jay Mecklenborg was talking about regarding the courthouse, how it was located out in the out-lots, not in town...near some of the first plats of the outlots.

 

Two early maps with the location of the courhouse in red (second map is mislabeled and should be 1819, not 1822)

 

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And some close ups of the outlots and the initial platting beyond the orginal Cincy town plat

 

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I think the location of the courthouse is somewhat unsual considering other "western" city plats often reserved a square for the near the center of town for courthouse (that was the case the in Dayton, though the square was subsequently replatted the courthouse remained one of the lots)

 

Also, Liberty St. ran originally straight up Liberty Hill, today's Liberty St. east of Sycamore was cut through typically dense blocks to the I-471 entrance ramps.

 

..and, from the theses, here is what Jay is describing:

 

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There are still a few wood frame buildings around.  I think you are right that the earlier buildings were more similar to Oregon or German Village.  The few that remain bear that out.

 

That is interesting...where would these be at?  I might want to check these out for some pix.

 

I also wonder if anyone has done a typological study of the building types.  For example the dominant type has three windows on each level, two rooms in front, a set of stairs and two rooms in back.  There are fewer of the courtyard and lightwell type.

 

Good find.

 

Thanks! 

 

I wonder that too...considering the interest in this neighborhood one would expect a lot of studies. Perhaps the National Register application has a lot of this type of anaylses.  It seems a number of the studies that are avaibale are not ciculating, so one has to go to the relevant library to read the stuff, not order it via computer. 

 

From me here is a sort of quick draft of what could be a homegrown tenenment vernacular, from what ive noticed driving around Cincy and Convington.  The pix are from Cincinnati: Over The Rhine byJay Bachemin.

 

Taking a look at this aeriel from central OTR:

 

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One can see a certain type of apartment or tenement house, with these long sloping roofs...probably from the 1860s /70s/80s.

 

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Compare these with these older buildings from the 1840s/50s....Walnut & 14th & Walnut and Mercer.

 

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...which are very much in a certain Middle Atlantic/Ohio Valley vernacular style.  You can find similar places in Germantown and in the Oregon.

 

Here are some diagrams of a notional evolution of this townhouse style to the Cincy tenenement.

 

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...an alternative concept which is just as likely....

 

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..again these are just looking at massing and form, not floor plans.  I do think its interesting that the roofline is always running parallel to the street.

 

Another view showing the evolution of scale and form, 1850s and 1870s houses in I think Pendelton?  That 2nd Empire mansard roof style could be another local vernacular for Cincinnati

 

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...and, for contrast, another Midwestern industrial city, Chicago, showing a different approach to narrow lots and high density.  This area is probably as old as OTR in terms of building age.  The Chicago tenements still, in some cases, have a vestigal front yard or space holding them back from the sreet line, while OTR is zero lot line facing the street.

 

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And the same area, perhaps at about the same amount of building coverage as OTR.  There are a few flat-roof buildings here, but they are of a different nature than the OTR ones, and the predominant form is the roofline perpendicular to the street, keeping a fairly steep roof slope, though the buildings are as deep into the lot as the OTR tenements.

 

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..OTR again, for comparison

 

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I sort of wish i lived closer to Cincy as I would be probably doing more research on Over The Rhine.  Yet I suspect local preservationists and architectural historians pretty much have the place nailed down already.  Perhaps the interesting thing here is to do comparison studys between, say, Cincy, Louisville, Chicago, Cleveland...comparing Midwestern citys ways of developing and building...how they are similar and how they differ,  or something like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW my first name is Jake, not Jay. 

 

As for the courthouse, I believe government square was designated as such from the very get-go, with the intention being that the county's courthouse would be there.  But it appears, like some other instances, that Symmes or Ludlow or whoever was in charge simply went and sold the land.  That would explain why the courthouse is some distance from the center of downtown, because that land up in the corner would have been cheaper and not yet claimed.  The current and previous victorian post offices have occupied the southern half of government square for over 100 years, I don't know what was there beforehand.  "Fountain Square" was in no way in the original city plan, it's a product of the 5th St. market being expanded one block west from Government Square and then today's 2nd version being a reconstruction of the 1971 redevelopment of the entire block and shift of 5th St. south. 

 

 

   

 

 

^---- Keep in mind that Jeff's map marked "Plan of Cincinnati" was printed in 1819 - a good 30 years after Cincinnati was founded in 1788. Hamilton County is on it's 5th courthouse. The first one, 1790, was a log house. The second one, 1819, was a 2 story cube shaped building with a center tower. This would be the one in the "Plan of Cincinnati," and it seems to fit the courthouse in a park pattern of some other Ohio towns. The third one was a large federal style building built in 1853. This one burned in the 1884 riots, to be replaced in 1887. The 1887 building recycled part of the previous building. Finally, the current court house was built in 1919, of non-cumbustible construction. A number of other buildings supplement the courthouse today, such as the Alms & Doepke building, the Adminstration Center, the Broadway Building, the Justice Center, and more, all located in the same area.

 

    I just read recently some very early history of the original court house, but can't remember the exact location. It had stocks and gallows nearby. Also, some land records were kept at John Cleves Symmes' home in North Bend, Ohio, and at Fort Washington in Cincinnati.

 

    So perhaps the point is that by 1819 the area closer to the river was already getting crowded so they moved the courthouse to the vicinity of it's present location on the outskirts.

 

 

    "Yet I suspect local preservationists and architectural historians pretty much have the place nailed down already."

 

    Jeff, if they do, I don't know about it. As one resident told me, there is some material about the German heritage, but nearly nothing about the black culture since 1950. Various buildings such as Music Hall have their own books. Canal and subway history is fairly easy to find. The neighborhood has so much depth, though, that it's hard to take it all in. The master's thesis by Daniel Brian Ferdelman might be the best article yet.

 

    I was always familiar with roof lines parallel to the street, but it never really sunk in until I saw your photos compared to the gables facing the street.

 

    More to come....

"I just read recently some very early history of the original court house, but can't remember the exact location. It had stocks and gallows nearby."

 

In a book about the Western Hills viaduct available at the Ohio bookstore they talk about a court house being a tavern by the frog ponds on third street. (IIRC)

^--- Yes, I remember the bit about the frog ponds. I think an earlier source was quoted. Thanks for the info. That indicates that court was held on Third Street.

 

Here is some more on Liberty Street. The purpose of this post is to explore the effect of widening of Liberty Street.

 

This drawing comes from the 1948 Metropolitan Master Plan.

 

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I didn't copy the legend, but highlighted the main points here. A new street was to connect Liberty Street to Thirteenth Street. The remainder of old Liberty Street west of that new street was to be widened. The original part of old Liberty Street east of that new street was to remain as is, and was eventually renamed "Liberty Hill."

 

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What actually happened was slightly different, in that the new Liberty Street connected to Reading Road at the east end of Thirteenth Street rather than the west end of Thirteenth Street.  Also, Clay Street became a cul-de-sac, while Broadway, Spring, and Pendelton Streets became dead ends. Later, ramps to I-471 were built as a continuation of Liberty Street.

 

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  I decided to take my old digital camera out for a walk. I started on the south side of Liberty Street at Central Parkway and walked east, snapping photos of the north side. Then I switched to the north side and came back, snapping photos of the south side. Remember that the widening occured on the south side.

 

 

  North side of Liberty: buildings facing the street.

 

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This is where Liberty and Liberty Hill diverge. The street is wide, with a landscaped island. Liberty Hill is mostly intact, and might, in fact, be the most intact area remaining of old Cincinnati. Before the inclines, this was one route to the hilltops.

 

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At this point I took a detour down Broadway and took a photo looking back north toward Liberty Street. Obviously, Broadway has become a dead end street, but at least a set of stairs was built to allow pedestrian passage. This is the gentrified part of Over-the-Rhine.

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Changing directions, looking back east down Liberty Hill, and then Liberty Street. Note the streetwall on the right (north) and abundance of trees on the left (south.)

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A very poor photo of Gabriels Place, showing an ATM complete with drive-thru occupying a triangular space, and on the next block, a lowly one story building occupying another triangular space left over when Liberty Street was widened.

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More parking, this time with street trees.

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Accumulation of former back yard spaces, now exposed by removal of buildings facing Liberty Street. People crossing the motorway. This image yells "SLUM!"

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Blank wall, complete with billboard, facing Liberty, supplemented by small triangular lot.

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More blank walls complete with billboards. One of them is supplemented by a small triangular parking lot.

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And more blank walls. To the right is a KFC surrounded by it's own parking lot.

Notice that the brick building reveals a "ghost" structure in the wall pattern (It doesn't show up as well on the photo as it should.) I wonder if the darker color might be the result of coal smoke? This photo also highlights the roof lines being parallel to the street.

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Over the Rhine is a fascinating neighborhood. To really appreciate it, one must get out of the car and walk. Sadly, for many, the view from Liberty Street or perhaps Central Parkway is the only view they ever see. The view from Liberty Street is not too bad looking north, but just awful looking south.

 

    If I remember correctly, the north side of Liberty is about 1/2 intact, with parking lots, a gas station, and more recent but inferior buildings taking up the rest of the space. The south side, by contrast, is 0% intact, with blank walls, billboards, pocket parks, parking lots, and a total of 4 buildings built since the widening, one of which is nice, two of which are awful, and one a transplant from a suburban highway interchange.

 

    So that's the result of widening Liberty Street. Hope you enjoyed.

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

Looks like OTR is making it back to the conditions present in the Ludlow Survey of 1802.

 

Fascinating and tragic in equal measures.

^--- Density wise, yes, but now we have three story buildings with blank walls instead of one or two story buildings finished on all sides.

o that's the result of widening Liberty Street. Hope you enjoyed.

 

...yes I enjoyed very much!  Thank You!

 

...  It looks like they pretty deep into those lots to do demolitions, too. I would think these would be good infill opportunities should OTR ever become a popular area to live again.  As it is those blank walls and empty lots give some of those pix a vaguely "South Bronx in the 70s" look.

 

I liked the backrounder on the planning history for Liberty....that 1940s master plan looks like it had something in mind for Vine Street, too.

 

Looks like OTR is making it back to the conditions present in the Ludlow Survey of 1802.

 

Fascinating and tragic in equal measures.

 

The theses has a bar chart showing total building coverage of Over The Rhine (I guess with CAD it is possible to do this type of anayses) in SF for the various periods.  According to the chart the 1991 coverage was equivialant to that in 1855, with 1891 being the peak year at around 6,000,000 SF.  1855 and 1891 are around 4,000,000 SF.

 

 

 

 

  • 4 years later...

Bumped for OTR....!

Whoa! This is great, thanks!

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Thank You!

 

I remember this as one of my favorite threads at Urban Ohio.  I think it would be a lot of fun to do an urban typology of OTR, of the different types of vernacular architecture there.  And to map out the "1850s Survivors"....locations of buildings that survived from that "first edition" of OTR.

 

 

In one of your above posts you shared this photo of the building at Walnut and Mercer that 3CDC wants to tear down:

 

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When do you think it was built? The auditor site says 1880 but that could be wrong. I've written a bit about it here:

http://overtherhine.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/the-fate-of-1329-walnut-and-mercer-commons/

 

And renderings of what 3CDC plans to replace it with:

http://overtherhine.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/mercer-commons-renderings/

http://overtherhine.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/the-most-recent-mercer-commons-renderings/

1880 seems a little late, but not too much so.  I'd say probably closer to 1870. 

1880 seems a little late, but not too much so.  I'd say probably closer to 1870.

 

I think it is probably pre-Civil War. I guess the word would be antebellum but I hesitate to use that word to refer to a "Northern" city. That's just my guess.

Thanks for bringing this old thread back to life!

 

I liked the comparison to Noble Square in Chicago too :), its one of the last Victorian areas of that density to survive (for the most part) in Chicago.  Though its buildings are consistently 1880s-1900, a few years later than most of OTR.  Most areas away from that section are much less dense in building stock (though with things like "Garden Apartments" [basement apartments] the current population density is way denser than almost anything in Cincy).

 

As for the building at Mercer and 13th that 3CDC is going to tear down, I'd say its 1840s-1850s.  1860s is too late, most of the stuff in OTR from the 1860s tends to be larger and more densely built.  Also the 1860s were the beginning of Italianate, federalist style which that building is in was out of vogue.

 

 

I did a quick analysis of Liberty street the other day and one of the things that struck me is how wide it felt. I measured the street on Google Earth and it turns out it is about the same size as the north-south avenues in NYC (approx. 60 feet wide roads). Unfortunately Liberty feels a lot wider that it really is because the south side of the street is either parking or poorly implemented infill. It would be great if 3CDC or other developer developed some 4-6 story buildings along the south side. It would help make the street feel narrower and probably reduce traffic speeds.

“All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.”
-Friedrich Nietzsche

^-I think a road diet is in order for Liberty. It would free up a bunch of land on the south side of the street that could be redeveloped.  If done right it would also allow room for Protected bike lanes and on street parking as well.  Might be a good idea to make it a commercial strip that would connect Main to Vine.

 

Road Diet proposal in Chicago:

 

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-09/classified/ct-met-getting-around-0110-20110109_1_traffic-lanes-bike-lane-road-diet

 

 

Lawerence Ave is not as wide as Liberty Street but still a gigantic road:

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=lawrence+ave+chicago+ravenswood&hl=en&ll=41.968713,-87.683368&spn=0.006238,0.018926&gl=us&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.968713,-87.683368&panoid=vUK459W0XI4fu93D6ZYr2Q&cbp=12,263.08,,0,2.86

 

Protected bike lines in Chicago:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-07/63505201.jpg

I agree. Basically it needs to lose that middle median lane. That will free up about 10 or so feet for wider sidewalks and maybe more room for any development on the south side of the street.

“All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.”
-Friedrich Nietzsche

The Brewery District CURC is currently working on a "Complete Streets" type plan for Liberty (as well as some other streets) as part of the soon to be announced master plan.

When do you think it was built? The auditor site says 1880 but that could be wrong.

 

Yes, it looks pre-Civil War being more federal/mid-atlantic vernacular in style (like youd see downriver in Madison).    I dont trust the auditor files either as I know in Dayton they sometimes date things later than they really are (I verified this via Sanborns and directories vs dates on the auditor files).

 

Yes...I am a sucker for these very old things.  I think they are sort of precious since they are so rare and also examples of how our cities were first built, building blocks from another time, allowing one to imagine what the urban fabric or built environment might have looked like.

 

  • 4 months later...

Jeff -

 

Thanks for your interest in my Thesis!  Sorry I missed the discussion ... I figured no one would ever check out that damn book. I'm glad you were able to glean some pertinent information for your own study. I grew up in Dayton and am quite familiar with the Oregon District ... partly the reason I became an Architect and City Planner. I currently work for the City of Columbus dealing with development issues around The Ohio State University.  Again thanks for showing interest in my work.

 

Best Regards,

 

Daniel Ferdelman, AIA

Urban Designer

City of Columbus Planning Division

109 Front Street, First Floor

Columbus, Ohio 43215-2806

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