can we just...delete this thread or something.  it just bothers me.

 

I'd rather delete the museum. It's like a delicious brown stain on the rolling green underpants of Kentucky.

 

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Prepare to soil yourselves!!! :whip:

 

Boone panel approves Genesis plan

Post staff report, November 8, 2007

 

The next hurdle Answers in Genesis must clear to expand its Creation Museum will come in Boone Fiscal Court.

 

On Wednesday, the Boone County Planning Commission approved a plan to add parking and other amenities at the popular creationism site in Petersburg, commission attorney Dale Wilson said. The issue now moves to fiscal court for action.

 

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The Creation Museum, which cost $27 million and was paid for from donations, illustrates the view that God created the universe in six days about 6,000 years ago.

 

Gosh, its like the author of the article intentionally ended the article with that sentence just to truly stress how insane the thought is. (and subsequently the whole museum)

Tolerance people. 

Tolerance people. 

 

I'm sure that's exactly what this organization preaches too.

Tolerance does not mean accepting the fact that these museums are just fronts for larger organizations that wish to install mandatory Bible-courses in schools, make students learn creationism over evolution ("intelligent design"), pray before the start of the day, keep "under god" in the Pledge of Allegiance (which god was not added in until the McCarthy-era of the 1950s), and so on.

 

I'm tolerant of the religion and of right-wing media, but I'm not tolerant when some want to push the boundary and violate the separation of church and state.

 

Remember when Governor Ernie Fletcher installed the Ten Commandments in the state capitol building? That was only _one_ day before he was defeated for re-election. Something about his "moral values" -- which was followed up with television commercials regarding the majority of Kentuckians being proud of god and the Ten Commandments. Yeah, like that's separation of church and state right there. It's no wonder he lost -- between his scandals (many, many scandals) and his stance on ultra-conservative issues (when Kentucky itself is not that conservative of a state)...

Found this on the H-L today about the rotunda display of the Ten Commandments... which has an error in it! Good grief, our government (and governor) is hopeless.

 

Rotunda display in error

Dates wrong for motto, 'Star Spangled Banner'

By Joe Biesk, Associated Press, November 8, 2007

 

FRANKFORT --

An exhibit that includes the Ten Commandments that Gov. Ernie Fletcher ordered to be displayed in the Kentucky Capitol includes some historical inaccuracies.

 

The Star Spangled Banner, according to one framed account, was a rallying cry more than 30 years before it was written. And, according to another, the U.S. motto, "In God We Trust," was adopted on two separate days in July 1956.

 

"Without a time machine, it's a temporal impossibility," said Jane E. Calvert, an assistant history professor at the University of Kentucky.

 

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So it's ok to put limits on someone's beliefs as long as all of your beliefs are accepted?

You don't see "historical documents" relating to the Koran or shrines to Buddha in the rotunda, do you?

 

It's perfectly acceptable, and well within the law, to separate church and state. As a spiritual but not religious individual, I find it appalling that our government is pushing for "historical documents" in state complexes and schools when they are knowingly violating the law. It's not "limiting" another person's beliefs as it _should not_ be there in the first place; if anything, we are "limiting" the beliefs of Buddhists, Muslims and other religions -- including those of atheists.

 

The United States _does not_ endorse one religion over another. It is not a Christian nation, nor is it a Muslim nation.

 

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Link

The right to freedom of religion is so central to American democracy that it was enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution along with other fundamental rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

 

The First Amendment

In order to guarantee an atmosphere of absolute religious liberty, this country's founders also mandated the strict separation of church and state. Largely because of this prohibition against government regulation or endorsement of religion, diverse faiths have flourished and thrived in America since the founding of the republic. Indeed, James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution, once observed that "the [religious] devotion of the people has been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state."

 

Americans are still among the most religious people in the world. Yet the government plays almost no role in promoting, endorsing or funding religious institutions or religious beliefs. Free from government control -- and without government assistance -- religious values, literature, traditions and holidays permeate the lives of our citizens and, in their diverse ways, form an integral part of our national culture. By maintaining the wall separating church and state, we can guarantee the continued vitality of religion in American life.

isn't it ironic that the magna carta is right next to the ten commandments in a state capitol?

 

My pot shot: Apparently the agree with the separation of church and state as long as that church is the christian

So it's ok to put limits on someone's beliefs as long as all of your beliefs are accepted?

 

Limits are not being put on anyone's beliefs when people defend the notion of separation of Church and State.  There are limits being put on one's belief when Christianity is treated as the ultimate belief...essentially THE religion.  I don't at all think that is fair...especially when VERY few people are actually educated about other religions.  Who is to say which religion/belief is correct?  I know that I certainly don't know enough to make that judgment call, that's why I don't appreciate it when others do.

 

With that said, the Creation Museum is a private endeavor and can therefore do whatever it likes (obviously within legal parameters), but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.  From my education and comparison of the two schools of thought on this issue...I am of the mind that creationism is nothing more than fiction presented as 'truth.'  Christian or not, I don't care...I just think it's false.

Tolerance people. 

 

oh im tolerant.  im tolerant of ANY rational thought humans can say.  But 6,000 yrs.... :-o

Wow, according to various articles, the museum has already topped 250,000 guests and sold over 10,000 annual passes.  They're expecting over 400,000 by the end of the year.  That alone will bring in over $8,400,000 in ticket sales alone.  Then there's the merchandise, which I guess is selling like hotcakes.  It looks like this place might actually be a good investment.  They'll most likely break even.

"Northern Kentucky’s Creation Museum is evolving into a larger facility."

 

PRICELESS :lol:

 

Ky. Creation Museum seeks to expand, citing large crowds

Herald-Dispatch, November 11, 2007

 

PETERSBURG, Ky. (AP) — Northern Kentucky’s Creation Museum is evolving into a larger facility.

 

The museum will add 663 parking spaces, outdoor canopies and a maintenance building and will move its main entrance as part of a $500,000 upgrade.

 

But the work won’t begin until Answers in Genesis, the ministry that runs the museum, raises the funds, said Mike Zovath, vice president of museum operations.

 

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^ha, there's another one! (see also: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=1990.msg234657#msg234657 )

 

God bless you reporter with an agenda.

At least they call it "Northern Kentucky's Creation Museum" and not "Cincinnati's Creation Museum"

^AMEN!

Northern Kentucky is saying the same thing about the Bengals.

Northern Kentucky is saying the same thing about the Bengals.

 

Oh Snap!!!

 

;) ... You gotta love the Clevelander's ... they go 5-4 and think they're superbowl bound!

Rare Mummified Dinosaur Unearthed: Contains Skin, and Maybe Organs, Muscle

By Evan Ratliff 12.03.07 | 12:00 AM

 

Scientists on Monday announced the discovery of what appears to be the world's most intact dinosaur mummy: a 67-million-year-old plant-eater that contains fossilized bones and skin tissue, and possibly muscle and organs.

 

Preserved by a natural fluke of time and chemistry, the four-ton mummified hadrosaur, a duck-billed herbivore common to North America, could reshape the understanding of dinosaurs and their habitat, its finders say.

 

To read more: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/dino_mummy

"When I first saw it in the field, (I thought) 'Shiiiit, that's a really well preserved dinosaur.'

 

I think this guy could be the next Stephen J. Gould.

Wait, you mean all the dinosaur remains and fossils of other animals of the past is not enough evidence? Didn't some deity just bury them for our personal amusement thousands of years later? And yes, that has been told as truth by quite a few churches.

I went there with a buddy of mine within the first few weeks of opening.. Its a pretty good place to go with a church youth group or even a juvenile date.. But I did think the price is alittle on the steep side.. good thing we had free vip passes.!.

Free VIP passes... I don't even wanna know.

Ken Ham: Darwinism Is Racist Against Dinosaurs

By Burt Safer | Dealer staff writer   Thu, Feb 28, 2008

 

 

 

PETERSBURG, KY - Ken Ham defended dinosaurs against racism this week, as the director of Kentucky's Creation Museum promoted his new book "Darwin's Plague - Evolution's Racism Against Dinosaurs".   According to Ham, the theory of evolution has caused the worldwide besmirching of the dinosaur, into a being "unworthy of coexisting with humans".

 

"At one time, humans did indeed enslave dinosaurs," concedes Ham, "We forced the triceratops to pull our wagons, and the brontosaurus harvested our food for us."

 

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http://cincinnatidealer.com/

 

"Racist Charles Darwin claimed that the dinosaurs came first, and were somehow unworthy of life," said Ham, "As if God makes mistakes." 

 

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http://cincinnatidealer.com/

 

 

God made a mistake and created Ken Ham :evil:

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"Racist Charles Darwin claimed that the dinosaurs came first, and were somehow unworthy of life," said Ham, "As if God makes mistakes."  

 

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http://cincinnatidealer.com/

 

 

God made a mistake and created Ken Ham :evil:

 

I sure didn't see mention of velociraptors in the Bible.  But then again, what else could Cain and Abel have been fighting over.  Yes, it all makes sense now.  I'd like a brontosaurus to harvest my food.

I think Ken Ham got a little to :drunk: one night.

There should be a smiley for smoking pot or snorting coke.

Nice to see paleontologists have a sense of humor.

 

Scientists tour Creation Museum

By Cliff Peale • [email protected] • June 24, 2009

 

PETERSBURG – “Praise God,” the official at the Creation Museum told the tour group, “we are excited to have you here.” For the 80 paleontologists, taking a break from their convention at the University of Cincinnati to tour the museum, some were skeptical, some were amused, some were offended.

 

“I think it’s a very professional outfit and they put on a good show,” said Jason Rosenhouse, a math professor at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Va., and manager of a blog on evolution. “If you can sort of suspend disbelief, you can see why people get caught up in it. “I hate the fact that this exists,” he added. “But given that it exists, I can see why people would find it compelling.”

 

 

To read more: http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090624/NEWS01/306240055

I wish I could make this up. I generally would not have a problem with this, but state initiatives may be included for a religious entity, which I am strongly against.

 

Beshear to announce creationist theme park for Kentucky

By Mark Hansel, Cincinnati Enquirer, November 30, 2010

 

Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear and Answers in Genesis, builders of the Creation Museum in Petersburg, will unveil plans for a new Northern Kentucky attraction Wednesday in Frankfort.

 

The theme park, to be called Ark Encounter, will be in Grant County, Ky., near the Veteran’s Cemetery.

The world is rofling

It's Kentucky.  The separation between Church & State went out the window when that Creationist "Museum" went up.

the creation museum didn't get any state or federal funding, did it?  The only thing i know about is a freeway sign.

That freeway sign is enough to prove my point. 

How close will this be to the creationist museum?  There could be a synergy here.  This could become like creationist Orlando.

Sadly, Orlando is also a Creationist Orlando.  They have that Holy Land USA attraction there where Bill Maher attacks Jesus!

Do people actually go to the Creation Museum?  And who?  I can't even imagine hardcore Catholics (who make up Northern Kentucky) lining up to see wax figures of dinosaurs and Jesus singing "Raise You Up On Eagles Wings" or a replica of Noah's Ark straight from Wisconsin Dells.  They must pull in the Bob Jones types.  I can see a Sarah Palin attending this museum with Bristol, Tripp, Track, Trailer, Trash, Tanisha, whatever her kids names are.

And thus we have the conundrum.  Us forward thinkers are all for inclusion and tolerance until it involves Christians, southerners or those who have the audacity to interpret a holy book called the Bible in a way they see fit for themselves and invite others who are willing or curious to check it out.

 

I understand the tax-payer dollars issue but some of these posts above are pretty transparent.

Well, if you're addressing me, I don't tolerate anybody!

I've been to the creation museum once and plan on going back. It was bigger than I expected and didn't have enough time to check everything out. I don't see what is so bad about the place.

Is it a legitimate historic walkthrough of the Bible or is it something "cheesy" along the lines of a Bible Drama outside of Mansfield?  If the former, then that's a good thing; if it's the latter, than they should be ashamed of themselves (re: Holy Land USA or that disaster the Bakers created outside of Charlotte).

I wasn't really sure what to expect before I visited. I'm a big history buff so to speak and I was impressed.  Whoever built the place did their homework to make it a legit historic museum about the Bible. Even if one isn't about God, religion, or whatever the history aspect of the musuem makes it worth visiting IMO.

Gotcha.  Now you've intrigued me (I'm a history buff as well).  Just judging by their website + dinosaurs (which have nothing to do with the Bible), it'd made me QUITE skeptical regarding a Biblical museum (which most have been quite cheesy).

FTA:

Beshear’s participation in the announcement suggests state incentives for the project may be included.

Pardon the pun: OH LORD!

wait a second though...first off NKY is not "all catholics"  hardly...as a matter of fact.  mainly hillbillies.  and THIS IS NOT HISTORY!  this is some crazy made up crap about the earth being 6k years old.  and that is BS.  rofl at the list of the palin kids!

I don't think Catholics are the primary target of this museum at all.  Many fundamentalist Christians don't even view Catholics as being Christian! As far as tolerance towards the Creation Museum/themepark, I think the reason people are against it is because these organizations and the people that run them are not tolerant of anyone themselves! Gays, Jews, Muslims, anyone who doesn't believe in their pin hole definition of what Christianity are told they are going to hell by these very people.  Why should this be tolerated?

 

Also, can this be moved to Other States? I'm fine with developments right across the river in Covington or Newport being included in SW Ohio, but this is a bit of a stretch, no?

the creation museum didn't get any state or federal funding, did it? The only thing i know about is a freeway sign.

 

The freeway sign has nothing to do about state/federal funding, or about the separation of church/state. The brown sign that was installed is called a Limited Supplemental Guide Sign (Tourism), and the attraction must contribute "significantly" to the state's tourism efforts and must demonstrate strong regional support. The Creation Museum, for better or for worse, is one of the top tourism draws for the Cincinnati metro. The regulations also state that the attraction must be significant in that out of town visitors would stay overnight in commercial lodging near the attraction.

 

See also:

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/kar/603/004/050.htm